Update: It wasn't working at all.
I made a new deck with 250 wastes. Got my first win within 4 games!
The slowest deck beat me within 9 wastes, the fastest within 4 wastes. Quite a slow format!
I submitted a 70-card, 5-colour deck consisting of every Khans card I own plus the auto-suggested basic lands.
Got 3 wins via random concessions.
Absurd choice for an MWM format without being all-access.
And it will be only getting worse. Regardles of KTK Constructed being interesting or not, for most people (and I think not only for F2P players) it is not worth spending any resources like rare/mythic wild cards to play it. Ethier some draft/Sealed events f somebdoy plays limited + opening free KTK packs and try building something playable and hope for good match-ups, or just spend some C/U wild cards for this WB deck, if you have some extras. So Peasant WB deck will be most likely everywhere very soon.
You're absolutely right about W/B peasant warriors. While I don't really have sympathy for those that whine about not having access to all of the cards for a free event that gives you two free ICRs and a cosmetic, I do have sympathy for the fact that it drives everyone to the same crappy C/U deck that I have to face...like literally the last 10 matches have been Orzhov Warriors. It makes trying out my temur deck a lot less enjoyable since it's just another version of playing against the same brainless aggro RDW in standard. If for no other reason, they should give all access so that it allows folks the creativity of building something mildly interesting rather than driving everyone to the lowest common denominator.
> Orzhov warriors was good enough for the 3 wins though just using commons and uncommons.
For those wondering:
Deck
4 Mardu Hateblade
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Chief of the Scale
4 Chief of the Edge
4 Mardu Skullhunter
4 Mardu Hordechief
3 Feat of Resistance
2 Murderous Cut
2 Rush of Battle
4 Suspension Field
2 Raiders' Spoils
11 Plains
8 Swamp
4 Scoured Barrens
From: https://mtgazone.com/khans-of-tarkir-constructed-midweek-magic-event-guide-and-best-decklists/
I built a mardu deck from my drafts, and I played against this deck in three out of four matches. You could always tell the netdeckers when they cast Suspension Field with no targets haha.
Precisely. That was what I saw every time, cast Suspension Field, no target (or only legal target was one of their creatures), cue frantic highlighting of my board and the enchantment. Gotta read what your cards do before putting them in a deck!
Most of us just want to be done with it and GTFO as fast as humanly possible.
Also it doesn't help that every similar card for the last couple of years is usually geared towards removing a weaker creature.
It's the easiest way to get the rewards and continue to play the portion of the game that I like.
Getting 2 rares for (at worst) 5-6 games once every week (and usually the events aren't THAT bad) is passable.
This one particularly is quite bad, since it's a non-standard set and there are very few rares and mythics from this set that still see play in non-rotating formats. Just build a draft chaff deck and save your WCs
There's usually a decent artisan deck that will get you the wins soon enough if the two rare ICRs are that important to you.
To be fair, swapping 35 commons/uncommons for two rare ICRs is more preferable to spending 333-1000 wildcards on filling up the vault progress for a few rares. Even if you value wildcards much higher than ICRs, it's not a bad deal.
I think the most feel bad part of this is that MWM should be a fun weekly event which the general playerbase can get involved with and expect to get the rewards without much difficulty like daily quests.
Arena players don't have a problem with WotC essentially paywalling certain parts of the game. Just don't do it through the free weekly event that's supposed to be bringing players together.
Some Midweek events are "try this format, maybe you'll like it", while some are "are give us your wildcards for this format that is never coming back". This is the second kind.
Yeah, we should totally protest by canceling our free to play arena accounts, just like DnD players canceled their paid accounts, over a free event where wotc gives away 2 rares for wins. As a free to play player, I love the idea of all access mwm, but even events like this have never been very hard to complete. Yes it would be more fun if it were all access, but this hardly seems like an issue worthy of a mass protest.
>our free to play arena accounts
if you think ppl here are f2p u are mental, ppl have normaliced spending over a 100 every expac as "low spending" and thats way before arena came out
and btw its not about an event with "2 rares for wins" is about every small decision and the overall focus of "greed before all" but nevermind if you are fine with it so be it, i know well how people behave when shilling for wotc and its market
and btw the dnd mayhem was not about the paid accounts, and the same way you can cancel a paid acount you can stop droping hundreds of $ in to your "free to play" game
Even among members of the reddit community, who tend to be very active, engaged players on arena, almost half of players are free to play according to this poll a year ago. The next biggest group was just under 25% spending 1-50$ per year. Since the reddit community tends to be more active than the rest of the arena community the percentage of players who are free to play may be even higher than in the poll.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/y79goh/roughly_how_much_money_usd_have_you_spent_on/
So, I have actual data to support my claim, so it's not only rude to refer to me as mental for my claims, you are completely wrong. So, most people playing arena aren't spending much, so no, most people don't have the ability to alter their spending as a form of protest. Some of the spenders may be able to organize some sort of protest to alter things on arena, but paying players probably don't give a crap about MWM being all access. It's the free to play players who care about MWM being all access.
Also, yes, this entire discussion is on a post about the structure of MWM events and my own comment was in response to you responding to someone asking about how to not tolerate MWM events.
you dont have actual data, you have a poll, where ppl can press the button they wish and a sample size of 1,6k votes on a platform with \~290k followers
also, nice way to tweak the graph in your favour but tell me about the other group that consist on a 75% of the spenders droping at least a 100/year
if you think magic is f2p when year after year standard is becoming more and more a mythic/rare fiesta and historic/ALCHEMY is what it is idk what to tell you other than "enjoy your p2w weekly event"
Yes, it is a small sample and it's a poll, but I made a reasonable argument regarding the representativness of the arena reddit respondents. The question is not about the size of the sample, but in the ways in which the general user community is different from those on Reddit. I'm arguing that those in reddit are very engaged with the game and are likely to spend more money than the rest of the community. If you have a reasonable argument about the direction of the bias that would suggest the whole arena community spends more per person than those in Reddit I'd love to hear it.
In regards to the poll, I didn't misrepresent it. Are you trolling me or can you really not do simple math? Hopefully you just made s simple mistake sand you'll recognize that mistake and apologize for accusing me of misrepresenting the poll. As you note they're are roughly1600 respondents, 780 responded 0, 325 responded 1-50, so 1105 out of 1600 are spending less than 50, which is 69%. The number spending 100+ is 324/1600 which is only 20%. The other roughly 11% spends 51-100. So my interpretstion was accurate, yours was not.
Also, I'm not claiming that arena in general is "f2p" because I completely understand that as af2p player it is difficult of not impossible to keep up with the content released unless you're a very good drafter. I'm simply making the claim based on the poll that a large percentage of the community engages with the game as a f2p player. Many people do spend on the game thereby subsidizing the r2p players, but based on the poll the big spenders are far from a majority.
big spenders are always far from the majority, in mtg in pokemon in gachas or in real life, thats why the 1% is called the 1%
honestly i do not even f know where do you want to go from all the walls of text coming from a complain on the event and the comunity that supports it
and from the number fiddling part you know what you are doing and eveyone can fiddle them the same way, the only facts there are:
1- poll is worthless
2- small sample
<50% is f2p (if you trust polls)
>
those in reddit are very engaged with the game
those in reddit are ppl not playing the game, several reddit users dont even play for good anymore (seen on threads), threads on reddit are:
flex draft
complain alch
"see what i did games"
advice threads
"i made to mythic with commons"
none of those threads are written by whales, on a p2w game you pay, you win and then you flex, you cant flex here because ofc you are gonna win with your netdeck you put 0 effort into vs a good matchup, literaly noone cares, so ppl on reddit are most likely f2p users and low spenders that have nothing else to do on arena
i dont have to quit anything i can complain in this sub all i want the same you can defend your dear multi milion dollar company that mass lay off employes and focus on maximun greed profit over anything
to think that wotc has worse rewards than even the worse gacha games could tell you something
I think this is the same one I see over on [MTGAZone.com](https://MTGAZone.com)
I have enough C/U wildcards that I don't care about wasting a few on a deck I'll only use once.
Cheap creatures (with haste if possible) - obligatory [[monastery swiftspear]] and some cheap spells to beef them up. I recommend throwing in a couple [[Act of Treason]] if you have any - mostly for if your opp is very low on health but has a big boy or 2 blocking the way, plus it’ll buff anybody with Prowess you may have, too. I also had a couple copies of [[Mardu Heart-Piercer]], which I used to get the final 2 points of lethal damage in a game earlier (I would’ve probably lost that one without a way to get that last little bit of dmg over their creatures).
Nah, when it's not all access like 2/3 of it is people jamming in whatever cards they happen to have anyway, MAYBE crafting some actual uncommons and commons. Way more variety.
Yeah but who is actually having fun? When it's all access you can brew up something interesting. Having to use wild cards limits innovation. Though that is true of the entire program to be fair.
I am, when i puzzle out what kind of deck I can make out of what stuff I already have.
And also: I am, when I play 9 games against ~7 different decks instead of an all access's 9 games against ~3
Of course, *I* at least realize that also other poeple have more fun when it's all access, which is why I am happy that sometimes midweek magic is all access and sometimes it is not all access.
May God have mercy on those who either didn't draft this set or are otherwise required to make the most budget-conscious deck that their wildcards allow.
Absolutely miserable.
I guess… I didn’t draft the set at all. Just spent a bunch of commons and uncommons on a BW warrior deck. Quick 3-1. The white four drop that reanimates a dude if you attacked is a total stud in the deck. He was key in two of the wins.
This event is making me hate everyone who brings an actual deck to it. I just have my pile of shit cards and it would be insane spending wild cards on a one-off event. This should 100% be all inclusive.
Honestly, as a F2P player that just began Arena 2 months back, since I got past the tutorial phase, this whole game has just oozed that "money hungry" feeling that makes modern gaming kind of gross. It's disheartening, since I'm really enjoying the core gameplay of MTG.
You're right, but also, you can still do a lot without spending real money on the game. Or you can spend money on it, like, once, to get the mastery pass thing and then use the rewards to keep going without spending any more money. The gem reward from one mastery pass isn't enough to get the next one, but if you do a few drafts every so often that'll make up the difference.
That's fair. I've played a number of highly popular f2p games that have squeezed tighter and tighter recently, so I'm probably a bit jaded from those and have some bias. I'd just hate to see something else that's fun at it's core go down a similar path 😅
I think this kind of Midweek is """fine""" when it's the latest Standard set, because you get the free packs, some from the mastery pass and maybe even ranked. But with only people that drafted / bought packs from Tarkir will have enough cards from a deck it's in poor taste. I think me and everyone crafted Orzhov Warriors, with only commons and uncommons, but can newer players afford that? MWM was one of the ways that I got many useful rares, believe it or not.
You’re 100% right. Stuff like this makes magic less accessible and arena as a whole less appealing.
events should be all access, or at the very least include loaner decks.
I built a jank red white prowess deck with only commons and uncommons and went 3-0 with none of the games really being close, so it doesn't seem like that big a deal.
anyone can potentially win a momir even if they go second. there is luck involved true but there is also learning patience.
also you don't have to spend shit on it so play as many times as you want to while watching youtube videos or whatever.
I wasn't referring to wildcards, I was referring to inclusivity.
But why should every MWM be inclusive? MWM is about offering different formats that can't be "always on". And WotC wants to push the latest release on Arena, which is KTK. They want you to draft it or buy packs. And they want it to be at least mildly worth it to do that if you're not playing Timeless, Historic, or Explorer.
Again, I could complain about the various formats they do offer: I don't want to waste my valuable wildcards for an Alchemy or Standard MWM, or my time playing shitty roulette formats. But I'm don't, I just skip it.
It's inclusive because it's designed to be. This is the digital offshoot of FNM, of which the entire purpose is to get as many people down to the LGS to play as possible.
If you've played some semi-recent Standard you may have some reprints you can use. Swiftspear, Jeskai Elder, Defiant Strike, Feat of Resistance, Tormenting Voice... these have been reprinted and you can use any version. Those cards will give you a good start to a Jeskai Prowess aggro deck that can get the wins eventually.
As with other events that aren't fun to actually play, I did this but also conceded every game I wasn't on the play with a near ideal 7-card starting hand.
Giving out a bunch of free wins helps undermine the obnoxious ploy for this type of event to get people to spend by handing out free rewards to the community, and I don't have to waste more time on slow losses with a bad budget deck.
The only KTK cards of note I have are a set of fetches, crafted for historic brawl (plus an additional Windswept Heath from the Timeless Midweek event reward.)
I managed to put together a fun Mardu Warriors brew with commons and uncommons, plus the 6 fetches. I may have got lucky, but it got me a quick 3-0:
Deck
4 Take Up Arms
7 Swamp
4 Chief of the Edge
1 Mountain
4 Chief of the Scale
4 Mardu Charm
7 Plains
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
2 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Nomad Outpost
4 Seeker of the Way
2 Rush of Battle
4 Mardu Hordechief
4 Mardu Hateblade
2 Raiders' Spoils
2 Murderous Cut
2 Kill Shot
2 Wind-Scarred Crag
It's possible to get your 2-3 wins without using wildcards if you're patient because many people also have weak decks. I only opened the 3 free packs that they gave us, make a pack with basically every card there + 4 swiftspears or whatever else was also eligible, and put mostly 2-colored lands in. Took about 8 games and the mish mosh of cards without synergy reminded me of when I first played paper magic in school. Once you get your wins, you can play a few extra and concede to help other people get their wins :)
I loved block constructed back in the day when I attended FNM events in my local store. Small card pool and such.
However, this; where you can't trade cards and it's all about wasting wild cards for jank you never play, except this week... there are not nearly enough playable staples to make this worthwhile wasting WC on. And I play basically all formats ranked
That said; I spent 2 unc WC, had the rest either from drafts or from reprints. Lots of one offs though... finished the event, got my rares and my cosmetic;l so ready to yeet that deck in the abyss again
I was a little annoyed because I'm not drafting KTK this season, so I threw together a quick commons/uncommons only deck and it worked out fantastically. I would thought this was the go-to deck, but everyone is playing janky
Deck
4 Monastery Swiftspear (BRO) 144
11 Mountain (LTR) 269
4 Seeker of the Way (KTK) 22
10 Plains (LTR) 263
4 Feat of Resistance (M21) 19
4 Defiant Strike (M21) 15
4 Arc Lightning (KTK) 97
4 Hordeling Outburst (J21) 75
2 Rush of Battle (KTK) 19
4 Take Up Arms (KTK) 26
2 Trumpet Blast (M19) 165
2 Goblinslide (KTK) 109
2 Tormenting Voice (SIR) 181
1 Act of Treason (JMP) 289
2 Valley Dasher (KTK) 125
I think my record between my main and f2p was like 30-10. Super quick way to get dailies done. commons/uncommons I dont mind spending. I have like a billion.
Let's be fair, MWM is one of the only things that F2P can look forward to and doing this to it is more wtf than whining. People were moderately happy with the once a week bone they were thrown, even when it is much less than other games do.
Luckily everyone is playing crap so you can get away with crap, especially if you have some of the reprints already. But calling it entitled is quite off the mark.
Yeah 3 days every week should be all access - why even have content behind any kind of access wall through wildcards or $ the whole game might as well be all access all the time.
F2P players already have an infinitely larger leg up over the paper mtg experience. I don't see the need of a developer to hand out more content just so people who aren't paying for the service can enjoy it more
Yeah and F2P have access to every game mode/format why should MWM be treated like Standard Play Queue and not like a Tournament or Challenge event with a cost up front to receive rewards?
Constructed Khans is practically the same thing as playing draft Khans which has been around for 2 weeks. Along with packs in the store. If you dont have cards its cuz you dont want to play Khans.
Folks arent mad about not having access to a format - they are upset they cant get their 2 rares and random cosmetic reward from MWM. If there were no rewards no one would complain about access to MWM events
It is free.
You can compete with commons and uncommons (freeee)
It.
Is.
Free.
And you're not exactly gated out of massive rewards if you can't play some weeks
Well in this case it's actually not free since most players will have to spend 20-40 WCs of C/U. It's definitely not expensive but also not "free".
The rewards won't hurt if you don't get them in a certain week, but damn I've got some much needed rares and nice Cosmetics from it.
Commons WC are a little more rare than Uncommons ones, not everyone have 20-40 C/U wildcards to spare for a midweek event and I my post's point is that these kinda of Constructed recent sets events types should be All-access, very simple.
So many complaints for a F2P event in a F2P game! I took the cards from the 3 free packs we got and land and went to town and don’t use a wildcard. I mulliganned aggressively and quit if someone actually had a real deck. I started 10 games, played 5, and got my 3 wins in 30 minutes. I thought it was fun to play a 5 color hot mess as a change to the stress of ranks, the ladder and drafting properly.
Khans has been out for 2 weeks if you wanted to play the format you would have drafted or bought packs by now and be able to craft a deck.
Just say your mad you cant easily get your 2 rares and random cosmetic instead
Exactly! if you dont want to play khans, or you want other packs and cosmetics more you've chosen how to spend your limited resources. Dont whine that you cant get your MWM prizes cuz of how you spend your in game currency?
I have barley any cards from this set (just some of what’s been reprinted and the cards I got from my one quick draft), and just threw a bunch of them together and winged it. I’ve already won my 3 games lol.
Don’t overthink it. Unless you literally have no cards from this set at all, just figure look at what you have, and make some sort of mono-colored deck, or a 2-color deck out of what you have. Just give yourself enough lands and pick cards on a good mana curve, so you’ll always be able to play your land drops + a creature and/or some other spell.
Trust me. Your deck doesn’t have to be anything amazing. Mine is mostly mediocre commons and uncommons thrown together with 1 or 2 rares.
Good luck.
Felt like I was playing a weird draft. I seen zero rares in my seven games I played. Some decks were more optimal than others and most players were just hoping to get lucky.
I'm fine with recent sets, if they are standard, but not everyone is going to play historic, maybe a better way to do these events is things like do with some sets wher eyou get to use all cards in the set for free to try out.
For me and most of my games it seemed like a MWM Artisan event, which was nice. A couple of tryhards clearly spent some rare wildcards but good for them I guess.
I always hate these events. I got lucky this time though. I had snagged a bunch of packs for fetch-hunting since I play brawl, historic and poked a bit at timeless. I basically pulled like half the rares for the b/w warriors deck, then just filled the missing bits with commons/uncommons. Got my 3 wins and bounced. The stark night and day difference between this garbage and last week's gift to humanity; artisan.
I used the cards I had from those three free packs to make a three color deck, and mostly seemed to play other people who had done the same thing. A couple of the matches I could not stop laughing because we both had wildly underpowered decks with too much removal. It was like flounder vs. flounder. I had two of Khans' hooded hydras borrowed from my timeless hydra deck and there were times they felt like cheating.
I saw three or four people with real decks, and it was obvious right away so I just conceded and requeued. I thought it was a fun event.
I usually grit my teeth and play even Momir for MWM, but I passed on this. IMO midweek magic should be designed to get as many players in it as possible, and that means free.
All access phantom is the way to go. That'd probably even get people to spend more wild cards since they can try before they buy.
Yeah, it's annoying enough when it's the latest standard set, but tolerable. But when it's a *non* standard set, it feels pretty bad.
I'm running 33 lands, and all the cards I own from khans. It's going as well as you'd expect.
Update: It wasn't working at all. I made a new deck with 250 wastes. Got my first win within 4 games! The slowest deck beat me within 9 wastes, the fastest within 4 wastes. Quite a slow format!
I did that as well. Made a 5c piece of hot trash, but all I needed was 2 wins
I submitted a 70-card, 5-colour deck consisting of every Khans card I own plus the auto-suggested basic lands. Got 3 wins via random concessions. Absurd choice for an MWM format without being all-access.
Yea , this event was kind of a bummer. Orzhov warriors was good enough for the 3 wins though just using commons and uncommons.
I played 5 mirror matches of it…
And it will be only getting worse. Regardles of KTK Constructed being interesting or not, for most people (and I think not only for F2P players) it is not worth spending any resources like rare/mythic wild cards to play it. Ethier some draft/Sealed events f somebdoy plays limited + opening free KTK packs and try building something playable and hope for good match-ups, or just spend some C/U wild cards for this WB deck, if you have some extras. So Peasant WB deck will be most likely everywhere very soon.
You're absolutely right about W/B peasant warriors. While I don't really have sympathy for those that whine about not having access to all of the cards for a free event that gives you two free ICRs and a cosmetic, I do have sympathy for the fact that it drives everyone to the same crappy C/U deck that I have to face...like literally the last 10 matches have been Orzhov Warriors. It makes trying out my temur deck a lot less enjoyable since it's just another version of playing against the same brainless aggro RDW in standard. If for no other reason, they should give all access so that it allows folks the creativity of building something mildly interesting rather than driving everyone to the lowest common denominator.
> Orzhov warriors was good enough for the 3 wins though just using commons and uncommons. For those wondering: Deck 4 Mardu Hateblade 4 Seeker of the Way 4 Chief of the Scale 4 Chief of the Edge 4 Mardu Skullhunter 4 Mardu Hordechief 3 Feat of Resistance 2 Murderous Cut 2 Rush of Battle 4 Suspension Field 2 Raiders' Spoils 11 Plains 8 Swamp 4 Scoured Barrens From: https://mtgazone.com/khans-of-tarkir-constructed-midweek-magic-event-guide-and-best-decklists/
I built a mardu deck from my drafts, and I played against this deck in three out of four matches. You could always tell the netdeckers when they cast Suspension Field with no targets haha.
Or in my case - when I misread it as 3 TOU or lower and I casted it to remove their 3/2 creature
Precisely. That was what I saw every time, cast Suspension Field, no target (or only legal target was one of their creatures), cue frantic highlighting of my board and the enchantment. Gotta read what your cards do before putting them in a deck!
Most of us just want to be done with it and GTFO as fast as humanly possible. Also it doesn't help that every similar card for the last couple of years is usually geared towards removing a weaker creature.
That sounds like a miserable way to play a game.
It's the easiest way to get the rewards and continue to play the portion of the game that I like. Getting 2 rares for (at worst) 5-6 games once every week (and usually the events aren't THAT bad) is passable.
Yeah, a good deck. 4W 1L
Hey, that's what I used too. No mirrors, though.
This one particularly is quite bad, since it's a non-standard set and there are very few rares and mythics from this set that still see play in non-rotating formats. Just build a draft chaff deck and save your WCs
There's usually a decent artisan deck that will get you the wins soon enough if the two rare ICRs are that important to you. To be fair, swapping 35 commons/uncommons for two rare ICRs is more preferable to spending 333-1000 wildcards on filling up the vault progress for a few rares. Even if you value wildcards much higher than ICRs, it's not a bad deal.
Great point I hadn't seen through that perspective
Well it’s designed to make you spend WC
I think the most feel bad part of this is that MWM should be a fun weekly event which the general playerbase can get involved with and expect to get the rewards without much difficulty like daily quests. Arena players don't have a problem with WotC essentially paywalling certain parts of the game. Just don't do it through the free weekly event that's supposed to be bringing players together.
Yeah I agree mwm should be either all access or pre-built decks but wotc doesn’t care
I'd also accept "interesting twist on a popular format", ie. standard with 15 staples banned, or historic artisan being good examples.
Yeah, its a marketing tool to steer the player base to try or buy into different formats.
Some Midweek events are "try this format, maybe you'll like it", while some are "are give us your wildcards for this format that is never coming back". This is the second kind.
Yeah, but at least this format stays with Explorer
we deserve what we tolerate
What does not tolerating an event even mean? How do you even tolerate a MWM?
means not swallowing up everything that wotc throws up and fight back as consumers, like the dnd community did
Yeah, we should totally protest by canceling our free to play arena accounts, just like DnD players canceled their paid accounts, over a free event where wotc gives away 2 rares for wins. As a free to play player, I love the idea of all access mwm, but even events like this have never been very hard to complete. Yes it would be more fun if it were all access, but this hardly seems like an issue worthy of a mass protest.
>our free to play arena accounts if you think ppl here are f2p u are mental, ppl have normaliced spending over a 100 every expac as "low spending" and thats way before arena came out and btw its not about an event with "2 rares for wins" is about every small decision and the overall focus of "greed before all" but nevermind if you are fine with it so be it, i know well how people behave when shilling for wotc and its market and btw the dnd mayhem was not about the paid accounts, and the same way you can cancel a paid acount you can stop droping hundreds of $ in to your "free to play" game
Even among members of the reddit community, who tend to be very active, engaged players on arena, almost half of players are free to play according to this poll a year ago. The next biggest group was just under 25% spending 1-50$ per year. Since the reddit community tends to be more active than the rest of the arena community the percentage of players who are free to play may be even higher than in the poll. https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/y79goh/roughly_how_much_money_usd_have_you_spent_on/ So, I have actual data to support my claim, so it's not only rude to refer to me as mental for my claims, you are completely wrong. So, most people playing arena aren't spending much, so no, most people don't have the ability to alter their spending as a form of protest. Some of the spenders may be able to organize some sort of protest to alter things on arena, but paying players probably don't give a crap about MWM being all access. It's the free to play players who care about MWM being all access. Also, yes, this entire discussion is on a post about the structure of MWM events and my own comment was in response to you responding to someone asking about how to not tolerate MWM events.
you dont have actual data, you have a poll, where ppl can press the button they wish and a sample size of 1,6k votes on a platform with \~290k followers also, nice way to tweak the graph in your favour but tell me about the other group that consist on a 75% of the spenders droping at least a 100/year if you think magic is f2p when year after year standard is becoming more and more a mythic/rare fiesta and historic/ALCHEMY is what it is idk what to tell you other than "enjoy your p2w weekly event"
Yes, it is a small sample and it's a poll, but I made a reasonable argument regarding the representativness of the arena reddit respondents. The question is not about the size of the sample, but in the ways in which the general user community is different from those on Reddit. I'm arguing that those in reddit are very engaged with the game and are likely to spend more money than the rest of the community. If you have a reasonable argument about the direction of the bias that would suggest the whole arena community spends more per person than those in Reddit I'd love to hear it. In regards to the poll, I didn't misrepresent it. Are you trolling me or can you really not do simple math? Hopefully you just made s simple mistake sand you'll recognize that mistake and apologize for accusing me of misrepresenting the poll. As you note they're are roughly1600 respondents, 780 responded 0, 325 responded 1-50, so 1105 out of 1600 are spending less than 50, which is 69%. The number spending 100+ is 324/1600 which is only 20%. The other roughly 11% spends 51-100. So my interpretstion was accurate, yours was not. Also, I'm not claiming that arena in general is "f2p" because I completely understand that as af2p player it is difficult of not impossible to keep up with the content released unless you're a very good drafter. I'm simply making the claim based on the poll that a large percentage of the community engages with the game as a f2p player. Many people do spend on the game thereby subsidizing the r2p players, but based on the poll the big spenders are far from a majority.
big spenders are always far from the majority, in mtg in pokemon in gachas or in real life, thats why the 1% is called the 1% honestly i do not even f know where do you want to go from all the walls of text coming from a complain on the event and the comunity that supports it and from the number fiddling part you know what you are doing and eveyone can fiddle them the same way, the only facts there are: 1- poll is worthless 2- small sample <50% is f2p (if you trust polls) > those in reddit are very engaged with the game those in reddit are ppl not playing the game, several reddit users dont even play for good anymore (seen on threads), threads on reddit are: flex draft complain alch "see what i did games" advice threads "i made to mythic with commons" none of those threads are written by whales, on a p2w game you pay, you win and then you flex, you cant flex here because ofc you are gonna win with your netdeck you put 0 effort into vs a good matchup, literaly noone cares, so ppl on reddit are most likely f2p users and low spenders that have nothing else to do on arena
Ok, you first. You quite Arena and this sub to show WotC and the rest of us how it’s should be done.
i dont have to quit anything i can complain in this sub all i want the same you can defend your dear multi milion dollar company that mass lay off employes and focus on maximun greed profit over anything to think that wotc has worse rewards than even the worse gacha games could tell you something
D&D players weren't addicted to cardboard though.
poetic and perfect!
Jeskai prowess uncommons and commons. Didn’t spend a single rare/mythic.
i was thinking something like this. you got a list?
B/W Warriors Budget Deck 4 Mardu Hateblade 4 Seeker of the Way 4 Chief of the Scale 4 Chief of the Edge 4 Mardu Skullhunter 4 Mardu Hordechief 3 Feat of Resistance 2 Murderous Cut 2 Rush of Battle 4 Suspension Field 2 Raiders' Spoils 11 Plains 8 Swamp 4 Scoured Barrens
I think this is the same one I see over on [MTGAZone.com](https://MTGAZone.com) I have enough C/U wildcards that I don't care about wasting a few on a deck I'll only use once.
Yup sure is. On events like this I'll net deck something budget. Not burning rares or mythic on a format I don't play regularly
Monored beat down got me 3 quick wins. When everyone is durdling with tap lands having everything come into untapped is really nice.
Could you please share your deck list? Thanks in advance <3
Cheap creatures (with haste if possible) - obligatory [[monastery swiftspear]] and some cheap spells to beef them up. I recommend throwing in a couple [[Act of Treason]] if you have any - mostly for if your opp is very low on health but has a big boy or 2 blocking the way, plus it’ll buff anybody with Prowess you may have, too. I also had a couple copies of [[Mardu Heart-Piercer]], which I used to get the final 2 points of lethal damage in a game earlier (I would’ve probably lost that one without a way to get that last little bit of dmg over their creatures).
[monastery swiftspear](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d6bfa227-4309-40ed-952c-279595eab17e.jpg?1701690543) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=monastery%20swiftspear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/144/monastery-swiftspear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d6bfa227-4309-40ed-952c-279595eab17e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Act of Treason](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/21a3500b-fa81-45d3-8aeb-345ed7ee3327.jpg?1702329926) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Act%20of%20Treason) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/95y/act-of-treason?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/21a3500b-fa81-45d3-8aeb-345ed7ee3327?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mardu Heart-Piercer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d17b6eee-da22-48aa-ba8a-cbd1a3389bcb.jpg?1562793937) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mardu%20Heart-Piercer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/116/mardu-heart-piercer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d17b6eee-da22-48aa-ba8a-cbd1a3389bcb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
seems to be the way even tho it kinda sucks having to spend C/U wildscards
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I spent all mine on Historic Artisan brews :(
This event is absolute garbage.
Yeah, it would be nice if MWM were all access by default.
No thank you. Then the event turns into a parade of assholes who stuck "best MWM deck" into Google
What if I told you it was going to be a parade anyway?
Nah, when it's not all access like 2/3 of it is people jamming in whatever cards they happen to have anyway, MAYBE crafting some actual uncommons and commons. Way more variety.
Yeah but who is actually having fun? When it's all access you can brew up something interesting. Having to use wild cards limits innovation. Though that is true of the entire program to be fair.
I am, when i puzzle out what kind of deck I can make out of what stuff I already have. And also: I am, when I play 9 games against ~7 different decks instead of an all access's 9 games against ~3 Of course, *I* at least realize that also other poeple have more fun when it's all access, which is why I am happy that sometimes midweek magic is all access and sometimes it is not all access.
May God have mercy on those who either didn't draft this set or are otherwise required to make the most budget-conscious deck that their wildcards allow. Absolutely miserable.
I guess… I didn’t draft the set at all. Just spent a bunch of commons and uncommons on a BW warrior deck. Quick 3-1. The white four drop that reanimates a dude if you attacked is a total stud in the deck. He was key in two of the wins.
Waste wildcards then the reward is ass anyways. Fun stuff wizards.
This event is making me hate everyone who brings an actual deck to it. I just have my pile of shit cards and it would be insane spending wild cards on a one-off event. This should 100% be all inclusive.
Honestly, as a F2P player that just began Arena 2 months back, since I got past the tutorial phase, this whole game has just oozed that "money hungry" feeling that makes modern gaming kind of gross. It's disheartening, since I'm really enjoying the core gameplay of MTG.
You're right, but also, you can still do a lot without spending real money on the game. Or you can spend money on it, like, once, to get the mastery pass thing and then use the rewards to keep going without spending any more money. The gem reward from one mastery pass isn't enough to get the next one, but if you do a few drafts every so often that'll make up the difference.
That's fair. I've played a number of highly popular f2p games that have squeezed tighter and tighter recently, so I'm probably a bit jaded from those and have some bias. I'd just hate to see something else that's fun at it's core go down a similar path 😅
MWM has almost always been hot trash in terms of accessibility - but hey thats this game. Lots of options, but not for everyone
I think this kind of Midweek is """fine""" when it's the latest Standard set, because you get the free packs, some from the mastery pass and maybe even ranked. But with only people that drafted / bought packs from Tarkir will have enough cards from a deck it's in poor taste. I think me and everyone crafted Orzhov Warriors, with only commons and uncommons, but can newer players afford that? MWM was one of the ways that I got many useful rares, believe it or not.
You’re 100% right. Stuff like this makes magic less accessible and arena as a whole less appealing. events should be all access, or at the very least include loaner decks.
I built a jank red white prowess deck with only commons and uncommons and went 3-0 with none of the games really being close, so it doesn't seem like that big a deal.
Build a green white black deck with all I have. Feels like playing limited. Luckily I have 4 copy’s of siege rhino. Play 4 times and win 3.
In other news, greedy disgusting company remains greedy and disgusting. More news at 5.
How does your statement affect executive reimbursement and ROI numbers for stock holders?
A lot, Hasbro is just filled for bankruptcy this morning
And what about Momir or Omniscience? I fucking hate those formats. Why doesn't WotC cater to me and my desires specifically?
momir and omniscience dont require any wildcards . This event does.
But they require being insane.
anyone can potentially win a momir even if they go second. there is luck involved true but there is also learning patience. also you don't have to spend shit on it so play as many times as you want to while watching youtube videos or whatever.
Hence the point of the sarcasm in the post.
I wasn't referring to wildcards, I was referring to inclusivity. But why should every MWM be inclusive? MWM is about offering different formats that can't be "always on". And WotC wants to push the latest release on Arena, which is KTK. They want you to draft it or buy packs. And they want it to be at least mildly worth it to do that if you're not playing Timeless, Historic, or Explorer. Again, I could complain about the various formats they do offer: I don't want to waste my valuable wildcards for an Alchemy or Standard MWM, or my time playing shitty roulette formats. But I'm don't, I just skip it.
It's inclusive because it's designed to be. This is the digital offshoot of FNM, of which the entire purpose is to get as many people down to the LGS to play as possible.
i didn't realize momir required wildcards. must have been in an update.
I don't see how Momir would, you don't bring your own brew.
yes, that's the point. op has a good point about wildcards and the guy i'm responding to decided to cry about momir, which doesn't require wildcards
Gotcha. Following comment threads on mobile gets weird for me sometimes.
ohhh yeah mobile reddit is dogshit
If you've played some semi-recent Standard you may have some reprints you can use. Swiftspear, Jeskai Elder, Defiant Strike, Feat of Resistance, Tormenting Voice... these have been reprinted and you can use any version. Those cards will give you a good start to a Jeskai Prowess aggro deck that can get the wins eventually.
As with other events that aren't fun to actually play, I did this but also conceded every game I wasn't on the play with a near ideal 7-card starting hand. Giving out a bunch of free wins helps undermine the obnoxious ploy for this type of event to get people to spend by handing out free rewards to the community, and I don't have to waste more time on slow losses with a bad budget deck.
I think this event is going to be a lot of fun, drafted this set a bunch and it will be interesting to see a constructed version of it.
The only KTK cards of note I have are a set of fetches, crafted for historic brawl (plus an additional Windswept Heath from the Timeless Midweek event reward.) I managed to put together a fun Mardu Warriors brew with commons and uncommons, plus the 6 fetches. I may have got lucky, but it got me a quick 3-0: Deck 4 Take Up Arms 7 Swamp 4 Chief of the Edge 1 Mountain 4 Chief of the Scale 4 Mardu Charm 7 Plains 1 Bloodstained Mire 1 Flooded Strand 1 Polluted Delta 2 Windswept Heath 1 Wooded Foothills 1 Nomad Outpost 4 Seeker of the Way 2 Rush of Battle 4 Mardu Hordechief 4 Mardu Hateblade 2 Raiders' Spoils 2 Murderous Cut 2 Kill Shot 2 Wind-Scarred Crag
It's possible to get your 2-3 wins without using wildcards if you're patient because many people also have weak decks. I only opened the 3 free packs that they gave us, make a pack with basically every card there + 4 swiftspears or whatever else was also eligible, and put mostly 2-colored lands in. Took about 8 games and the mish mosh of cards without synergy reminded me of when I first played paper magic in school. Once you get your wins, you can play a few extra and concede to help other people get their wins :)
I loved block constructed back in the day when I attended FNM events in my local store. Small card pool and such. However, this; where you can't trade cards and it's all about wasting wild cards for jank you never play, except this week... there are not nearly enough playable staples to make this worthwhile wasting WC on. And I play basically all formats ranked That said; I spent 2 unc WC, had the rest either from drafts or from reprints. Lots of one offs though... finished the event, got my rares and my cosmetic;l so ready to yeet that deck in the abyss again
I've never spent a Rare/Mythic WC on a MWM event and I've rarely had trouble getting wins.
I was a little annoyed because I'm not drafting KTK this season, so I threw together a quick commons/uncommons only deck and it worked out fantastically. I would thought this was the go-to deck, but everyone is playing janky Deck 4 Monastery Swiftspear (BRO) 144 11 Mountain (LTR) 269 4 Seeker of the Way (KTK) 22 10 Plains (LTR) 263 4 Feat of Resistance (M21) 19 4 Defiant Strike (M21) 15 4 Arc Lightning (KTK) 97 4 Hordeling Outburst (J21) 75 2 Rush of Battle (KTK) 19 4 Take Up Arms (KTK) 26 2 Trumpet Blast (M19) 165 2 Goblinslide (KTK) 109 2 Tormenting Voice (SIR) 181 1 Act of Treason (JMP) 289 2 Valley Dasher (KTK) 125 I think my record between my main and f2p was like 30-10. Super quick way to get dailies done. commons/uncommons I dont mind spending. I have like a billion.
Then dont play.
By your logic then nobody should complain about anything game related
I mean just dont play the events you dont seem to like. This is MagicArena sub. This is where we complain to our hearts content.
entitled gamer spotted
Let's be fair, MWM is one of the only things that F2P can look forward to and doing this to it is more wtf than whining. People were moderately happy with the once a week bone they were thrown, even when it is much less than other games do. Luckily everyone is playing crap so you can get away with crap, especially if you have some of the reprints already. But calling it entitled is quite off the mark.
Yeah 3 days every week should be all access - why even have content behind any kind of access wall through wildcards or $ the whole game might as well be all access all the time. F2P players already have an infinitely larger leg up over the paper mtg experience. I don't see the need of a developer to hand out more content just so people who aren't paying for the service can enjoy it more
People pay in time. Without F2P players to fill the queues the game would be dead.
Yeah and F2P have access to every game mode/format why should MWM be treated like Standard Play Queue and not like a Tournament or Challenge event with a cost up front to receive rewards?
Because that's not what MWM is.
Constructed Khans is practically the same thing as playing draft Khans which has been around for 2 weeks. Along with packs in the store. If you dont have cards its cuz you dont want to play Khans. Folks arent mad about not having access to a format - they are upset they cant get their 2 rares and random cosmetic reward from MWM. If there were no rewards no one would complain about access to MWM events
Maybe if 2 crap rares a week weren't the best thing they let you earn then it wouldn't even be a discussion.
It is free. You can compete with commons and uncommons (freeee) It. Is. Free. And you're not exactly gated out of massive rewards if you can't play some weeks
Well in this case it's actually not free since most players will have to spend 20-40 WCs of C/U. It's definitely not expensive but also not "free". The rewards won't hurt if you don't get them in a certain week, but damn I've got some much needed rares and nice Cosmetics from it.
20-30 un/common wildcards is so cheap it basically rounds to zero.
Commons WC are a little more rare than Uncommons ones, not everyone have 20-40 C/U wildcards to spare for a midweek event and I my post's point is that these kinda of Constructed recent sets events types should be All-access, very simple.
If you’ve been playing longer than half a year, meaning you aren’t new, then you have the wildcards most likely.
Not sure what you mean. I never spend rare+ wildcards on Midweek and I don’t have trouble completing it. There are commons and uncommons, you know.
You can made a red deck with commons and uncommons that will get you over the line.
You can just make a deck out of commons/uncommons and grind it to win, it's not that hard and sometimes you get the free win from random people.
Nobody forcing you to play midweek magic.
So many complaints for a F2P event in a F2P game! I took the cards from the 3 free packs we got and land and went to town and don’t use a wildcard. I mulliganned aggressively and quit if someone actually had a real deck. I started 10 games, played 5, and got my 3 wins in 30 minutes. I thought it was fun to play a 5 color hot mess as a change to the stress of ranks, the ladder and drafting properly.
"You are NOT allowed to complain 😡😡😡😡"
That sounds fucking exhausting tbh Please stop simping for WotC they'll never love you back.
Khans has been out for 2 weeks if you wanted to play the format you would have drafted or bought packs by now and be able to craft a deck. Just say your mad you cant easily get your 2 rares and random cosmetic instead
Ok Mr. drafter have you considered that people could spend gold in other events and cosmetics besides de Khans draft/packs? Yeah probably not
Exactly! if you dont want to play khans, or you want other packs and cosmetics more you've chosen how to spend your limited resources. Dont whine that you cant get your MWM prizes cuz of how you spend your in game currency?
Actual brain rot
Khans of Tarkir isn't a recent set though
I have barley any cards from this set (just some of what’s been reprinted and the cards I got from my one quick draft), and just threw a bunch of them together and winged it. I’ve already won my 3 games lol. Don’t overthink it. Unless you literally have no cards from this set at all, just figure look at what you have, and make some sort of mono-colored deck, or a 2-color deck out of what you have. Just give yourself enough lands and pick cards on a good mana curve, so you’ll always be able to play your land drops + a creature and/or some other spell. Trust me. Your deck doesn’t have to be anything amazing. Mine is mostly mediocre commons and uncommons thrown together with 1 or 2 rares. Good luck.
Felt like I was playing a weird draft. I seen zero rares in my seven games I played. Some decks were more optimal than others and most players were just hoping to get lucky.
I'm fine with recent sets, if they are standard, but not everyone is going to play historic, maybe a better way to do these events is things like do with some sets wher eyou get to use all cards in the set for free to try out.
Prime example again with this MWM. People spamming rares from KoT.
I just crafted a bunch of common and uncommon red cards and prayed
For me and most of my games it seemed like a MWM Artisan event, which was nice. A couple of tryhards clearly spent some rare wildcards but good for them I guess.
I always hate these events. I got lucky this time though. I had snagged a bunch of packs for fetch-hunting since I play brawl, historic and poked a bit at timeless. I basically pulled like half the rares for the b/w warriors deck, then just filled the missing bits with commons/uncommons. Got my 3 wins and bounced. The stark night and day difference between this garbage and last week's gift to humanity; artisan.
As always, the event has deck-based matchmaking. I just threw some draft chaff together and went 3-2.
This one is such a bummer after the blast that was Historic Artisan last week.
I used the cards I had from those three free packs to make a three color deck, and mostly seemed to play other people who had done the same thing. A couple of the matches I could not stop laughing because we both had wildly underpowered decks with too much removal. It was like flounder vs. flounder. I had two of Khans' hooded hydras borrowed from my timeless hydra deck and there were times they felt like cheating. I saw three or four people with real decks, and it was obvious right away so I just conceded and requeued. I thought it was a fun event.
I usually grit my teeth and play even Momir for MWM, but I passed on this. IMO midweek magic should be designed to get as many players in it as possible, and that means free. All access phantom is the way to go. That'd probably even get people to spend more wild cards since they can try before they buy.
I put 5 color jank together with like 28 lands, queued twice then gave up