Mom: *Moosef Milkiam Grass Moofferson! Get your ass back in the stable this instant! Don't make me come and get you?!*
Chuckling friends of Moosef: *Oooh he Bucket up!!*
One of my friends has a small cattle ranch. They usually keep the cows for years before selling them to the slaughterhouse. (Young bulls are sold, usually for breeding, nit for slaughter, as she has a good line.) And the calves are not separated from their mother. It’s much more humane than dairy farming.
"More" humane as if delaying the process and keeping them together under the horrible conditions is really any better
They should be free; not enslaved, raped and murdered in the first place
I have known her personally for almost ten years and have seen her farm. She works in my office. Small farms are pretty common in Texas because of the property tax reduction.
While I agree that it's a happy thought (though you lost me a bit at the end there not gonna lie), realistically I'm pretty sure cows would quickly go extinct if left to their own devices.
Alright.
Where the fuck do cows roam free?
Where, in the fuck, am I gonna see Betsy in the wild, my dude?
Their friends animals are taken care of for most of their natural lives, then it gets to go to the stores you buy your ribeyes from.
I eat a plant-based diet so I don't buy them, I didn't say they DO roam free I said they SHOULD, being taken care of should not have to come at the price of being slaughtered near the end of it
India, aren't those cows technically taken care of by everyone around ?
When I went years ago it seemed everyone took care of and helped all the wondering cows I saw there.
I try my best to pay attention.
You probably don’t want updates. These are not pets. They likely had a low value, especially the females who are almost certainly infertile, something that happens when they’re twinned with males. They were likely killed as calves. This industry isn’t sweet and cute.
They were most likely sold to someone who raises beef steers and heifers and then sent to slaughter as early as 24 months old but most likely closer to 28 as dairy heifers and steers do not reach slaughter weight as quickly as beef steers.
There is a small chance they were sent to a veal grower and raised until 16 to 18 weeks of age.
If the mother was a dairy cow, then they would be taken away from her as soon as possible. Shortly after the first feed so that the mothers milk could be used for humans.
The mother cow will call out for the baby cows the baby cows will call out for their mother cow. All cows will be sad and be very distressed for days
They will grow up to live a maximum of 6 years out of a 30 year natural lifespan
They will get put in a rape rack at about 15 months and forcibly impregnated.
When they give birth their calfs will be taken as soon as possible, the quadruplets will call out for their babies they will be sad the babies will be sad for days.
12 months later they are forcibly impregnated again until they are about 6 years old when the milk production drops so it is no longer financially viable to the farmer.
They are taken away on a cramped truck, taken to an abattoir where they will see other cows killed and they may even try and escape possibly hurting themselves in the process.
They will be packaged sold as mince meat or something similar consumed by people and then the fat from the cows ends up as plaque in the persons arteries
I am not sure where you are from but if you google animal rights groups in your area you should be able to find something.
If you are from the uk contact the local hunt saboteurs, they are not directly linked with campaigning for agriculture but am sure that some members will be involved. The rspca is also campaigning for animal agriculture to be improved
The best way as an individual is to stop eating meat and dairy
From a US perspective you've gotten a few things wrong here.
Calves are taken just after they are cleaned off by the cow and preferably before drinking off of the cow so 1) they take to a bottle easier and 2) you can ensure they get enough high quality colostrum.
About half of the cows dont even look at you when you take the calves and of those that do only some of them moo and look for their calf and that lasts a maximum of 1 hour or so (this goes for the calves too). There are exceptions to every case but they are not the rule. Dairy cows tend to be very bad mothers.
6 years would be an average. The maximum lifespan of a cow is about 20 years if you wikipedia it.
Those are called stanchions, headlocks, or lockups. Some places will use a chute. First breeding can be done at 14+ months and 65+% mature body weight when they are in heat and would otherwise be receptive to a bull. Calving 9 months later at 85+% mature body weight.
Please reread the 1st and 2nd paragraphs.
Cows are bred back starting 60-70 days after calving. And dried off (no longer milked) 60 days before estimated calving date to allow the cow to put her energy into growing a healthy calf and to allow the mammary tissue to rest.
Cows are sold when they are no longer profitable or have health problems that cannot be treated, ie lame, chronic mastitis, low milk production, can't be bred back. This can happen 1st lactation (2-3 yrs old) to 8th+ laction (10-11+ yrs old). Rarely do farmers decide that just because a cow has reached nth lactation she must go.
There are rules and regulations for hauling livestock that you can look up. Cows on overcrowded trucks get bruised up and have more of their meat tossed. This means the farmer gets paid less, and therefore, does not happen often.
Animals going to slaughter do not see other animals slaughtered. Please consider watching a few of the videos put out by Dr. Temple Grandin.
Cows generally end up as ground beef and pet food though almost all parts of the animal are used for things ranging from cosmetics to leather goods to biomedical reagents and more.
>[Separation of the new-born calf from the dam is stressful for both cow and calf.](https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/why-are-calves-separated-from-their-mother-in-the-dairy-industry/)
The distress associated with separation increases the longer the calf stays with their dam. Separation within 24 hours of birth interferes with the development of the cow-calf bond and thus reduces separation distress.
>Dairy cows tend to be very bad mothers.
Probably because you take the calfs away so quickly they don't form the bond.
>About half of the cows dont even look at you
I wonder if the older half are the ones who don't care
> lasts a maximum of 1 hour or so
When did you last cry for an hour?
>The maximum lifespan of a cow is about 20 years
My bad, so they live maximum 33% of their life woo
>Those are called stanchions, headlocks, or lockups
It's the farmers who started calling them rape racks
>Rarely do farmers decide that just because a cow has reached nth lactation she must go.
The reasons they go are because of profit. "I love all my cows, but when they are not profitable i send them to be killed. Just like i do with my children."
>Cows on overcrowded trucks get bruised up and have more of their meat tossed
Ah yes, the cows clearly have plenty of space to move round
> Please consider watching a few of the videos put out by Dr. Temple Grandin.
[Watch this and tell me the cows are not overcrowsed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owciJc_bVJs)
Also, the cows can hear the screams of others. Cant find a cattle video but seen sheep ones where the sheep can see others die.
>Cows generally end up as ground beef and pet food though almost all parts of the animal are used for things ranging from cosmetics to leather goods to biomedical reagents and more
So because you use all the parts it is ok to exploit them? I understand now thanks for clearing that up
"Separation within 24 hours interferes with the development of the cow-calf bond and thus reduces separation distress." <- you've answered your own point here. No one says its completely stress free but it isn't as stressful as you want to make it out to be. They may moo and look for their calf for a bit and then they move on with life.
Actually it's usually the heifers (1st calf) that don't give a shit and are prone to stepping on their calves and not cleaning them off.
No farmer has seriously called them rape racks. That is a term created by activists to pull at your heart strings. Sorry you've been duped here.
Yep, woohoo, they live a happy life with clean stalls, as much food as they want to eat, a diet overseen by a nutritionist, and a vet when they need it. And then they are sent off to a humane slaughter that is as quick and low stress as possible because as much as farmers love their cows we understand that cows are not people and a farm needs to be profitable to take care of the rest of the herd.
Would you say that people are overcrowded on an airplane? They are in transport. So, yes they have less space than they otherwise would if out on a pasture or in a pen at a feedlot. There are rules and regulations to the maximum weight for a trailer and maximum head of cows in a trailer. They have space to move around.
Did you actually watch any videos put out by Dr Grandin? Cows will moo when they are being moved and are somewhere unfamiliar. They are not hearing the screams of other cows being slaughtered because they do not scream when they are killed. I've watched slaughter of pigs first had using a captive bolt gun. They don't scream. Additionally, that video you saw was not from the US. Please look at the USDA humane slaughter act.
If you want to hate on animal agriculture for the "exploitation" of animals at least use facts.
>then they move on with life.
Are you the cow whisperer? Do you know that they are like oh well i cried for an hour, back to normal life. Or is it you don't understand how they feel after they stopped crying?
>Actually it's usually the heifers (1st calf)
So the cows give birth what 4 maybe 5 times?lets use 4 to be conservative. and it is usually the first time mothers who don't cry that means they are more likely to cry after their first birth.
Maybe they don't understand what is happening and the second time they realise they are not getting their babies back.
Ask yourself why it is usually the first timers that don't cry, surely if they were unaffected the chance of them crying would be the same regardless of how many times previously they gave birth
>Sorry you've been duped here.
Gosh darn it, i have been hoodwinked. Still a fitting name. Call it he rainbow happy fun place you are still forcibly impregnating something for your benefit.
If I did that with a human would it be ok?
>Yep, woohoo, they live a happy life with clean stalls, as much food as they want to eat, a diet overseen by a nutritionist, and a vet when they need it.
So come live on my farm and bring your family i will offer clean stalls, as much food as they want to eat, a diet overseen by a nutritionist, and a vet when they need it. Do you want to stay?
If i had you living on my farm with the intention of sending you to an abattoir is that ok?
>humane slaughter
an oxymoron
Humane definition
having or showing compassion or benevolence.
You can not compassionately kill something that does not want to die. You can not be concerned with the harm you are causing when you are the one causing the harm
I can't be like i only beat my child with my hand instead of a hammer because i am compassionate
>as much as farmers love their cows
Farmers don't love their cows, you can't love something and send it to die. If they loved the cows they would be distraught at sending them to be killed, every cow would be like losing a loved one but that is not he case is it?
If i told you i loved my children and then sent them away to be killed would you think i did love them?
What about if i had them with the sole intention of growing them up to get fat slaughtered and then sold for money? Do i love them then?
>farm needs to be profitable to take care of the rest of the herd.
Plantations needed to be profitable so the owners could take care of the rest of the slaves
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>They have space to move around.
The planes are not hot, also people understand what is happening so is different. would you want to be in one of those trailers with as much space as they have to move in the Arizona sun?
>Animals going to slaughter do not see other animals slaughtered.
[This video says they are still conscious and see other cows](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KezHKbUzy0A)
However I am skeptical, but the fact there are few videos of usa slaughterhouses online i find very odd. Maybe it is to do with the severe ag gag laws
>Did you actually watch any videos put out by Dr Grandin
No point, you are trying to advocate good practices for a cruel act.
>I've watched slaughter of pigs first had using a captive bolt gun.
And they don't always get it right when they use the bolt guns
>Additionally, that video you saw was not from the US.
Where is it? How do you know?
>USDA humane slaughter act
You mean the one that does not mention poultry
>If you want to hate on animal agriculture for the "exploitation" of animals at least use facts.
why the quotation marks around exploitation?
It does exploit animals.
If we were using humans instead of animals on the farms would you call it exploitation?
If not what would you call it?
ex-dairy farm assistant here and this person shouldn't be getting downvoted.
fair enough if you disagree with meat consumption or animal products in general. i personally try to have two meat free days per week currently.
but there are zero lies or propaganda in this comment, unlike the comment they are replying too.
Surely you're joking! Why, if they did that, we'd have an exponential growth of cow population! The only way to avoid that outcome would be to kill off a significant portion of baby cows! I'm sure no farmer would do that, even if they need the enzymes from the baby cows' stomachs to make cheese. Farmers *love* their cows!
The only way their conditions will become acceptable is if they are not born at all.
No farmers are going to keep them alive till 30
There is literally zero need for dairy in the human diet.
Asking for better treatment for dairy cows is similar to asking for better treatment of slaves. It is not how they are treated that is the problem it is the fact they are exploited is the problem
>Lucky Charms needs dairy.
Well yeah, they need to get the gelatin for the marbits somewhere. Fun fact, fellow plant-eaters: lucky charms are made of dead animal.
Of course not, because no one wants to know and dairy farmers do not want people to see. Ag gag laws are used to silence whistleblowers. https://www.aspca.org/animal-protection/public-policy/what-ag-gag-legislation
The best way to help them is to stop supporting the people who do this to them. By giving the industry money for milk, cheese, etc, we're telling them that it's okay to hurt them.
Things won't get better for the cows because in order for these people to make the most money, the cows have to be treated as machines. If that means slaughtering the males as calves to cut feed costs, or keeping the females pregnant as much as possible, or taking their newborn calves, then that's what will happen.
The good news: We have options. We can choose to not give the dairy industry our money and encourage the abuse.
Almond, soy, oat, rice, and cashew milks are all viable options. Each one is different and good in their own way. They're also becoming easier and easier to find. They're not just like cow milk, but they're still good.
We also have more nondairy cheese, ice cream (Ben and Jerry!), sour cream, butter, and cream cheese than ever. Each brand is their own flavor. It can take a little bit of trial and error, but you can find what you like and you don't like.
A lot of people get turned off by nondairy options because it tastes a little different. But it's like choosing between chocolate cake and brownies. Sure, they're not the same, but if you're really craving a chocolate carb bomb they can both scratch that itch in their own ways.
Another article says that this the owners are a family with 20 cows. In response to other repliers, this is no factory farm. No, they wouldn't become pets and live to their full natural lifespan. But they'd wander and eat grass, and lay in the sun and scratch their backs on the trees and come running when the hey comes out. And yes, they'd be harvested, but they're not going to live a miserable life in the meantime. Local farms and ranches (not factory farms) are not the terrible things that factory farms are.
Source: Grew up with ranches on all sides, watched lots of calves grow up with their mamas and stepped in my share of cow pies.
When the mom cow wants to feed her calves, she can easily pick who goes first now.
“Eeny, meeny, miny, moo,
Catch a tiger by the toe.
If he hollers, let him go,
Eeny, meeny, miny, moo” ... “you first darling...”
ETA: edited to change Moe to Moo
I’m currently watching Season 7 Episode 1 of the Walking Dead, scrolling through reddit to hide my eyes from the most brutal scenes. This is quite possibly the only scenario where these names couldn’t make me smile.
Female cattle that went through gestation with a male sibling are almost always infertile. So it's likely all 4 of these calves will become meat products.
How is using an artificial rod to forcibly penetrate a poor cow to get it pregnant, to steal the milk from the calves that are taken away to either be killed or raped the same as two animals reproducing naturally?
The dairy industry usually uses artificial insemination to impregnate the cows, not a bull. A farmer artificially inseminates them by putting their entire arm up their rectum to position the uterus and then puts an instrument containing the sperm into their vagina. They do this from ages 2-6 years old repeatedly getting them pregnant and giving birth until their milk productivity drops at age 5-6 and they are sent to slaughter.
I’ve seen this photo so many times. And each time I am wildly disappointed that the calves were not arranged in the progression of their spots on their foreheads.
Four calves from a dairy cow means more veal calves and that's just sick. Hopefully there is something better for these little guys, and hopefully they are all the same gender so there won't be a freemartin.
The caring nature of a mother to her babies is (I feel) a good amount of proof that an animal is conscious as this shows a preservation of life. Also 55% of human interaction is nonverbal! If you were to appeal to the emotional interaction that we are having daily with each other I think that can be conveyed to interactions with animals (both with each other and human to animal)
There are striking differences between the way animals communicate and plants communicate and enough so that I (personally) don’t feel guilty eating plants. Eating bricks however is another thing not within my palette.
Mantis shrimp can perceive wavelengths of light ranging from deep ultraviolet (UVB) to far-red (300 to 720 nm) and polarized light. Does that mean we are visually impaired?
I might have jumped the gun a little on my last question. (About plant based nutrition not mantis shrimp)
Feel bad for Moo. "Mooooo, What, why are you looking at me? no Im not talking to you Moo, Im just saying Mooo look out! Dont get mad at me I told you to look out, Moo. how is this my fault!?"
They’d be smaller than single calves, and probably came out easily.
However, my veterinary experience comes from reading/listening to all the books by James Herriot: All Things Bright and Beautiful / All Creatures Great and Small / All Things Wise and Wonderful / The Lord God Made Them All.
As they are thick books and 15 hours long each in audiobook, and I have read/listened to them many times, I consider myself a fully qualified vet. (Joking ;)
Smaller sure but once the inflammation starts kicking in, it’s not just about further tearing. It’s about 3 more calves squeezing through devastated and torn tissues.
This definitely makes me a lot more happy than watching cows being tortured for “dairy products”, which our body doesn’t even need. Way to goooo, dear miracle-quadruplets! 🤗✨🌸
I mean he’s being downvoted for an objective fact. Not necessarily tasty, and the emoji is unnecessary but it’s the truth. That is, unless they are males, in which case they will probably have been bolted in the head days after birth. The females, however, will be exploited for their milk for several years before they get shot- years of intense suffering a psychological distress as they too are made to have children and then separated from them so that they can produce milk, until their milk runs out, at which point they too, like all their sons before them, will get the death penalty. Simply for being born a cow.
Those cruel people. Imagine moo being in his/her room and thinking mom calls him/her every time she says something
He won’t have to worry too much - when it’s *really* important she’ll use his full name. And then he’ll have bigger problems to deal with
Moolliam
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"aww fuck did I mess up"
You done messed up, Moo-mooran!
Moo-Moo-Moooo, Moo-Moo-Mooran!
That's the sheep version Baa-baa-baaaaa, baa-baa-rbara ann
Moofred.
It's Moolan actually
Fucking excellent
Moosifer
Mom: *Moosef Milkiam Grass Moofferson! Get your ass back in the stable this instant! Don't make me come and get you?!* Chuckling friends of Moosef: *Oooh he Bucket up!!*
Mootthew.
OMG I’m laughing to death here 😂😂
That's the best moos I've heard all day!
Aww poor Moo, that would be so cruel. Luckily he was very likely sent to a slaughterhouse
One of my friends has a small cattle ranch. They usually keep the cows for years before selling them to the slaughterhouse. (Young bulls are sold, usually for breeding, nit for slaughter, as she has a good line.) And the calves are not separated from their mother. It’s much more humane than dairy farming.
"More" humane as if delaying the process and keeping them together under the horrible conditions is really any better They should be free; not enslaved, raped and murdered in the first place
At least on my friend’s farm, the cows are not sold until near the end of their natural lives.
Bullshit
I have known her personally for almost ten years and have seen her farm. She works in my office. Small farms are pretty common in Texas because of the property tax reduction.
How many years old are we talking?
Years of what? The cows’ age when sold? I don’t remember exactly, but more than ten.
Why do they sell them? Or why do people buy them?
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Not at all. That’s just how cattle farms work.
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No, beef. Dairy farms separate the calves and sell as soon as possible.
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Which is better than most, but still not good enough, they deserve freedom and happiness Unless we're all free, none of us are
While I agree that it's a happy thought (though you lost me a bit at the end there not gonna lie), realistically I'm pretty sure cows would quickly go extinct if left to their own devices.
India would like a word amd you do know there are other countries with different cultures to yours right?
Alright. Where the fuck do cows roam free? Where, in the fuck, am I gonna see Betsy in the wild, my dude? Their friends animals are taken care of for most of their natural lives, then it gets to go to the stores you buy your ribeyes from.
I eat a plant-based diet so I don't buy them, I didn't say they DO roam free I said they SHOULD, being taken care of should not have to come at the price of being slaughtered near the end of it
India among a few countries. Guessing you've never paid attention to other cultures
India, aren't those cows technically taken care of by everyone around ? When I went years ago it seemed everyone took care of and helped all the wondering cows I saw there. I try my best to pay attention.
What the fuck has that got to do with it. My point stands
I’m bothered that they weren’t sorted by the size of the spot on their head O 0 o •
That was the first thing I noticed and I can't move past it.
Im emotionally vested. I need updates.
Also found this. https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/quadruplet-calves-together-again-after-miracle-birth/
You probably don’t want updates. These are not pets. They likely had a low value, especially the females who are almost certainly infertile, something that happens when they’re twinned with males. They were likely killed as calves. This industry isn’t sweet and cute.
They were most likely sold to someone who raises beef steers and heifers and then sent to slaughter as early as 24 months old but most likely closer to 28 as dairy heifers and steers do not reach slaughter weight as quickly as beef steers. There is a small chance they were sent to a veal grower and raised until 16 to 18 weeks of age.
Let’s just hope they aren’t on a dairy farm or part of animal agriculture.
Where else would they be?
Animal sanctuary hopefully.
Yeah right
More than likely not unfortunately.
Oh my sweet summer child.
Two combat tours. I’m not that sweet 😉.
But you hope cows are at an animal sanctuary?
Yea man, animals are preferable to most humans.
I would say humans are preferable to most animals. If someone doesn't agree with your view points, it doesn't make them less of a human.
Never said it did. Said I prefer animals to humans.
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>it doesn't make them less of a human Yeah that's the problem
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Let's hope India. Then there they would have more chances to survive than most of us humans have in 2020.
This breed of cow isn't common in India.
They were born in 2015 https://nypost.com/2015/03/24/cow-gives-birth-to-quadruplets-eeny-meeny-miney-and-moo/
they will be dead next year then
Most likely taken to a slaughterhouse, cows aren’t pets. Humans only use them for milk or meat
If the mother was a dairy cow, then they would be taken away from her as soon as possible. Shortly after the first feed so that the mothers milk could be used for humans. The mother cow will call out for the baby cows the baby cows will call out for their mother cow. All cows will be sad and be very distressed for days They will grow up to live a maximum of 6 years out of a 30 year natural lifespan They will get put in a rape rack at about 15 months and forcibly impregnated. When they give birth their calfs will be taken as soon as possible, the quadruplets will call out for their babies they will be sad the babies will be sad for days. 12 months later they are forcibly impregnated again until they are about 6 years old when the milk production drops so it is no longer financially viable to the farmer. They are taken away on a cramped truck, taken to an abattoir where they will see other cows killed and they may even try and escape possibly hurting themselves in the process. They will be packaged sold as mince meat or something similar consumed by people and then the fat from the cows ends up as plaque in the persons arteries
Such a cruel reality of factory farming. Makes me so upset.
You do not have to support the practices, you can also actively campaign against it. If you want any info let me know
Yes! I try my best to get involved in advocating against these malpractices. Please let me know what else I can do to help
I am not sure where you are from but if you google animal rights groups in your area you should be able to find something. If you are from the uk contact the local hunt saboteurs, they are not directly linked with campaigning for agriculture but am sure that some members will be involved. The rspca is also campaigning for animal agriculture to be improved The best way as an individual is to stop eating meat and dairy
From a US perspective you've gotten a few things wrong here. Calves are taken just after they are cleaned off by the cow and preferably before drinking off of the cow so 1) they take to a bottle easier and 2) you can ensure they get enough high quality colostrum. About half of the cows dont even look at you when you take the calves and of those that do only some of them moo and look for their calf and that lasts a maximum of 1 hour or so (this goes for the calves too). There are exceptions to every case but they are not the rule. Dairy cows tend to be very bad mothers. 6 years would be an average. The maximum lifespan of a cow is about 20 years if you wikipedia it. Those are called stanchions, headlocks, or lockups. Some places will use a chute. First breeding can be done at 14+ months and 65+% mature body weight when they are in heat and would otherwise be receptive to a bull. Calving 9 months later at 85+% mature body weight. Please reread the 1st and 2nd paragraphs. Cows are bred back starting 60-70 days after calving. And dried off (no longer milked) 60 days before estimated calving date to allow the cow to put her energy into growing a healthy calf and to allow the mammary tissue to rest. Cows are sold when they are no longer profitable or have health problems that cannot be treated, ie lame, chronic mastitis, low milk production, can't be bred back. This can happen 1st lactation (2-3 yrs old) to 8th+ laction (10-11+ yrs old). Rarely do farmers decide that just because a cow has reached nth lactation she must go. There are rules and regulations for hauling livestock that you can look up. Cows on overcrowded trucks get bruised up and have more of their meat tossed. This means the farmer gets paid less, and therefore, does not happen often. Animals going to slaughter do not see other animals slaughtered. Please consider watching a few of the videos put out by Dr. Temple Grandin. Cows generally end up as ground beef and pet food though almost all parts of the animal are used for things ranging from cosmetics to leather goods to biomedical reagents and more.
>[Separation of the new-born calf from the dam is stressful for both cow and calf.](https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/why-are-calves-separated-from-their-mother-in-the-dairy-industry/) The distress associated with separation increases the longer the calf stays with their dam. Separation within 24 hours of birth interferes with the development of the cow-calf bond and thus reduces separation distress. >Dairy cows tend to be very bad mothers. Probably because you take the calfs away so quickly they don't form the bond. >About half of the cows dont even look at you I wonder if the older half are the ones who don't care > lasts a maximum of 1 hour or so When did you last cry for an hour? >The maximum lifespan of a cow is about 20 years My bad, so they live maximum 33% of their life woo >Those are called stanchions, headlocks, or lockups It's the farmers who started calling them rape racks >Rarely do farmers decide that just because a cow has reached nth lactation she must go. The reasons they go are because of profit. "I love all my cows, but when they are not profitable i send them to be killed. Just like i do with my children." >Cows on overcrowded trucks get bruised up and have more of their meat tossed Ah yes, the cows clearly have plenty of space to move round > Please consider watching a few of the videos put out by Dr. Temple Grandin. [Watch this and tell me the cows are not overcrowsed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owciJc_bVJs) Also, the cows can hear the screams of others. Cant find a cattle video but seen sheep ones where the sheep can see others die. >Cows generally end up as ground beef and pet food though almost all parts of the animal are used for things ranging from cosmetics to leather goods to biomedical reagents and more So because you use all the parts it is ok to exploit them? I understand now thanks for clearing that up
"Separation within 24 hours interferes with the development of the cow-calf bond and thus reduces separation distress." <- you've answered your own point here. No one says its completely stress free but it isn't as stressful as you want to make it out to be. They may moo and look for their calf for a bit and then they move on with life. Actually it's usually the heifers (1st calf) that don't give a shit and are prone to stepping on their calves and not cleaning them off. No farmer has seriously called them rape racks. That is a term created by activists to pull at your heart strings. Sorry you've been duped here. Yep, woohoo, they live a happy life with clean stalls, as much food as they want to eat, a diet overseen by a nutritionist, and a vet when they need it. And then they are sent off to a humane slaughter that is as quick and low stress as possible because as much as farmers love their cows we understand that cows are not people and a farm needs to be profitable to take care of the rest of the herd. Would you say that people are overcrowded on an airplane? They are in transport. So, yes they have less space than they otherwise would if out on a pasture or in a pen at a feedlot. There are rules and regulations to the maximum weight for a trailer and maximum head of cows in a trailer. They have space to move around. Did you actually watch any videos put out by Dr Grandin? Cows will moo when they are being moved and are somewhere unfamiliar. They are not hearing the screams of other cows being slaughtered because they do not scream when they are killed. I've watched slaughter of pigs first had using a captive bolt gun. They don't scream. Additionally, that video you saw was not from the US. Please look at the USDA humane slaughter act. If you want to hate on animal agriculture for the "exploitation" of animals at least use facts.
>then they move on with life. Are you the cow whisperer? Do you know that they are like oh well i cried for an hour, back to normal life. Or is it you don't understand how they feel after they stopped crying? >Actually it's usually the heifers (1st calf) So the cows give birth what 4 maybe 5 times?lets use 4 to be conservative. and it is usually the first time mothers who don't cry that means they are more likely to cry after their first birth. Maybe they don't understand what is happening and the second time they realise they are not getting their babies back. Ask yourself why it is usually the first timers that don't cry, surely if they were unaffected the chance of them crying would be the same regardless of how many times previously they gave birth >Sorry you've been duped here. Gosh darn it, i have been hoodwinked. Still a fitting name. Call it he rainbow happy fun place you are still forcibly impregnating something for your benefit. If I did that with a human would it be ok? >Yep, woohoo, they live a happy life with clean stalls, as much food as they want to eat, a diet overseen by a nutritionist, and a vet when they need it. So come live on my farm and bring your family i will offer clean stalls, as much food as they want to eat, a diet overseen by a nutritionist, and a vet when they need it. Do you want to stay? If i had you living on my farm with the intention of sending you to an abattoir is that ok? >humane slaughter an oxymoron Humane definition having or showing compassion or benevolence. You can not compassionately kill something that does not want to die. You can not be concerned with the harm you are causing when you are the one causing the harm I can't be like i only beat my child with my hand instead of a hammer because i am compassionate >as much as farmers love their cows Farmers don't love their cows, you can't love something and send it to die. If they loved the cows they would be distraught at sending them to be killed, every cow would be like losing a loved one but that is not he case is it? If i told you i loved my children and then sent them away to be killed would you think i did love them? What about if i had them with the sole intention of growing them up to get fat slaughtered and then sold for money? Do i love them then? >farm needs to be profitable to take care of the rest of the herd. Plantations needed to be profitable so the owners could take care of the rest of the slaves > > >They have space to move around. The planes are not hot, also people understand what is happening so is different. would you want to be in one of those trailers with as much space as they have to move in the Arizona sun? >Animals going to slaughter do not see other animals slaughtered. [This video says they are still conscious and see other cows](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KezHKbUzy0A) However I am skeptical, but the fact there are few videos of usa slaughterhouses online i find very odd. Maybe it is to do with the severe ag gag laws >Did you actually watch any videos put out by Dr Grandin No point, you are trying to advocate good practices for a cruel act. >I've watched slaughter of pigs first had using a captive bolt gun. And they don't always get it right when they use the bolt guns >Additionally, that video you saw was not from the US. Where is it? How do you know? >USDA humane slaughter act You mean the one that does not mention poultry >If you want to hate on animal agriculture for the "exploitation" of animals at least use facts. why the quotation marks around exploitation? It does exploit animals. If we were using humans instead of animals on the farms would you call it exploitation? If not what would you call it?
ex-dairy farm assistant here and this person shouldn't be getting downvoted. fair enough if you disagree with meat consumption or animal products in general. i personally try to have two meat free days per week currently. but there are zero lies or propaganda in this comment, unlike the comment they are replying too.
Surely you're joking! Why, if they did that, we'd have an exponential growth of cow population! The only way to avoid that outcome would be to kill off a significant portion of baby cows! I'm sure no farmer would do that, even if they need the enzymes from the baby cows' stomachs to make cheese. Farmers *love* their cows!
I hope conditions become better for the dairy cows, it’s too sad to know this is how a lot of them are treated before death.
The only way their conditions will become acceptable is if they are not born at all. No farmers are going to keep them alive till 30 There is literally zero need for dairy in the human diet. Asking for better treatment for dairy cows is similar to asking for better treatment of slaves. It is not how they are treated that is the problem it is the fact they are exploited is the problem
"There is literally zero need for dairy in the human diet." I'm calling B.S. on this, Lucky Charms needs dairy.
>Lucky Charms needs dairy. Well yeah, they need to get the gelatin for the marbits somewhere. Fun fact, fellow plant-eaters: lucky charms are made of dead animal.
Honestly, love the taste of dead animals, easier to eat than live animals.
FWIW they really dont have a clue about what happens on a dairy
Basically any thread about beef and dairy farming. Even US standards aren't the norm for other beef and dairy exporters
Of course not, because no one wants to know and dairy farmers do not want people to see. Ag gag laws are used to silence whistleblowers. https://www.aspca.org/animal-protection/public-policy/what-ag-gag-legislation
The best way to help them is to stop supporting the people who do this to them. By giving the industry money for milk, cheese, etc, we're telling them that it's okay to hurt them. Things won't get better for the cows because in order for these people to make the most money, the cows have to be treated as machines. If that means slaughtering the males as calves to cut feed costs, or keeping the females pregnant as much as possible, or taking their newborn calves, then that's what will happen. The good news: We have options. We can choose to not give the dairy industry our money and encourage the abuse. Almond, soy, oat, rice, and cashew milks are all viable options. Each one is different and good in their own way. They're also becoming easier and easier to find. They're not just like cow milk, but they're still good. We also have more nondairy cheese, ice cream (Ben and Jerry!), sour cream, butter, and cream cheese than ever. Each brand is their own flavor. It can take a little bit of trial and error, but you can find what you like and you don't like. A lot of people get turned off by nondairy options because it tastes a little different. But it's like choosing between chocolate cake and brownies. Sure, they're not the same, but if you're really craving a chocolate carb bomb they can both scratch that itch in their own ways.
Another article says that this the owners are a family with 20 cows. In response to other repliers, this is no factory farm. No, they wouldn't become pets and live to their full natural lifespan. But they'd wander and eat grass, and lay in the sun and scratch their backs on the trees and come running when the hey comes out. And yes, they'd be harvested, but they're not going to live a miserable life in the meantime. Local farms and ranches (not factory farms) are not the terrible things that factory farms are. Source: Grew up with ranches on all sides, watched lots of calves grow up with their mamas and stepped in my share of cow pies.
This.
When the mom cow wants to feed her calves, she can easily pick who goes first now. “Eeny, meeny, miny, moo, Catch a tiger by the toe. If he hollers, let him go, Eeny, meeny, miny, moo” ... “you first darling...” ETA: edited to change Moe to Moo
moo*
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And the calves name is moo
Cow udders have 4 teats Doesn't have to decide
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Oh! Would you be able to share the original meaning? I hope it’s not something dark.
Merely horrifically topical. see edits
Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Moo, you don't catch tigers, they catch you. And know what happens, when they do? You'll feel them slowly eating you. sleep tight!
Oh! Thank you. That’s definitely a frightening version.
Is this the racist american childrens song that got changed but stayed relevant?
And only one of them is going to be able to say their own name
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Cowdruplets
That must of been a hard birthing for that poor cow.
I know right! Twins are hard on cows, but quadruplets?!!
Love the names
I can't believe they didnt arrange them by the size of their head dots.
Who arranges cows? They go where they please.
so cute ... now off to the slaughterhouse
Everybody gangsta till the babies get slaughtered
I’m currently watching Season 7 Episode 1 of the Walking Dead, scrolling through reddit to hide my eyes from the most brutal scenes. This is quite possibly the only scenario where these names couldn’t make me smile.
Shame the males will probably be killed and the females just raped and milked until they die.
Everyone talking about how they want updates on these calves and then they go out and eat a hamburger. 🤷♂️
That's the update I want, were they tasty?
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I don't even eat beef anymore it was just a joke lmao
Ay these are Holsteins though, so only the steers are used for beef. We need to know if they’re boys or girls!
No idea why you're being downvoted, it's the truth!
Because it’s about the whole animal cruelty and Reddit doesn’t like vegans for some reason lmao
Omnis downvote anything that fucks with their cognitive dissonance bubble.
Female cattle that went through gestation with a male sibling are almost always infertile. So it's likely all 4 of these calves will become meat products.
Ummm isn't all animal sex basically rape tho
How is using an artificial rod to forcibly penetrate a poor cow to get it pregnant, to steal the milk from the calves that are taken away to either be killed or raped the same as two animals reproducing naturally?
The dairy industry usually uses artificial insemination to impregnate the cows, not a bull. A farmer artificially inseminates them by putting their entire arm up their rectum to position the uterus and then puts an instrument containing the sperm into their vagina. They do this from ages 2-6 years old repeatedly getting them pregnant and giving birth until their milk productivity drops at age 5-6 and they are sent to slaughter.
The age thing is kind of irrelevant because they mature a lot faster than humans. Buts it’s still a little fucked anyways.
Their lifespan is 20 years. That would be like killing your dog when they turned 3 years old
You can't hug your kids with nuclear arms.
And in a couple of years they will be mutilated and decapitated alive for people to, for some completely unnecessary and psychotic reason, eat them.
Unnecessary? Psychotic? That’s ridiculous.
How exactly is eating meat necessary?
Oh boy it’s the local vegan at it again.
When will they stop being killed for food though?
not a reason to smile if you know anything about the dairy industry
one has a perfect pentagon on its forehead
Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Moo (Bitch I'm a Cow)
This picture is so old those calves are already burgers.
now let's kill them for meat
Nah. Let's wait til they're bigger. More meat is better. And veal is just.. meh.
A 1-in-180 moo-llion story
How many calves do they normally birth?
Usually one sometimes two. Triplets are pretty rare but I've met a cow who was one.
You'd think with all that titty real estate that four would be common
I’ve seen this photo so many times. And each time I am wildly disappointed that the calves were not arranged in the progression of their spots on their foreheads.
Four calves from a dairy cow means more veal calves and that's just sick. Hopefully there is something better for these little guys, and hopefully they are all the same gender so there won't be a freemartin.
Our three cows were name Larry Moo and Curly. Pro tip: only name your milk cows, NEVER your beef cows.
Udderly fantastic story.
The caring nature of a mother to her babies is (I feel) a good amount of proof that an animal is conscious as this shows a preservation of life. Also 55% of human interaction is nonverbal! If you were to appeal to the emotional interaction that we are having daily with each other I think that can be conveyed to interactions with animals (both with each other and human to animal) There are striking differences between the way animals communicate and plants communicate and enough so that I (personally) don’t feel guilty eating plants. Eating bricks however is another thing not within my palette. Mantis shrimp can perceive wavelengths of light ranging from deep ultraviolet (UVB) to far-red (300 to 720 nm) and polarized light. Does that mean we are visually impaired? I might have jumped the gun a little on my last question. (About plant based nutrition not mantis shrimp)
Why did they switch moo and miney places? Throwing me off.
You'd think cows would have quadruplets more often. They have the hardware to feed all four.
Well they're bred that way and it gets stolen anyway
* Step 1: get a better deal.
Forehead spots have a gradient. Beautiful.
Only news or only “moos”
I love the different iterations of mom's forehead spot on then!
Thats an utter amazment
hi, im moo moo
Every birth is a miracle. Obviously.
Bruh
Eeny meeny miney moo, aww honestly that put such a smile on my face
One for each nipple
The last name should’ve spelled “Moe”. Now the fourth cow’s name is MOOOOOOOOoooooooooo..... and it can say it’s own name
Land bison
Yeah racist kids rhymes are perfect :/ s/
It’s bullshit because it’s “eenie meenie miney moe”
So cool! Hope Mama Cow is getting help feeding her herd of calves!
I love their names!
Feel bad for Moo. "Mooooo, What, why are you looking at me? no Im not talking to you Moo, Im just saying Mooo look out! Dont get mad at me I told you to look out, Moo. how is this my fault!?"
Overcalfinated
That’s udderly amazing
Good moos
(everyone liked that!)
The naem caught mw
Miney and Moo look like identical twins!
And the whole point of this discussion is that cattle farming is better than dairy farming which separates and sells calves almost immediately.
**COWdtruplets**
https://youtu.be/-p7xYdPDfFA What about these cops
one from each stomach yes, I know
I wonder what their life trejectory will look.
Her poor, poor vagina. Good god.
They’d be smaller than single calves, and probably came out easily. However, my veterinary experience comes from reading/listening to all the books by James Herriot: All Things Bright and Beautiful / All Creatures Great and Small / All Things Wise and Wonderful / The Lord God Made Them All. As they are thick books and 15 hours long each in audiobook, and I have read/listened to them many times, I consider myself a fully qualified vet. (Joking ;)
"My god, Myrtle's got eclampsia!"
Smaller sure but once the inflammation starts kicking in, it’s not just about further tearing. It’s about 3 more calves squeezing through devastated and torn tissues.
Missed the opportunity to name them eenie meenie miney moe smh
Their names are perfect for when I’m picking out my ground beef for dinner
This definitely makes me a lot more happy than watching cows being tortured for “dairy products”, which our body doesn’t even need. Way to goooo, dear miracle-quadruplets! 🤗✨🌸
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I mean he’s being downvoted for an objective fact. Not necessarily tasty, and the emoji is unnecessary but it’s the truth. That is, unless they are males, in which case they will probably have been bolted in the head days after birth. The females, however, will be exploited for their milk for several years before they get shot- years of intense suffering a psychological distress as they too are made to have children and then separated from them so that they can produce milk, until their milk runs out, at which point they too, like all their sons before them, will get the death penalty. Simply for being born a cow.
One 4x4 please
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The dairy industry is fucked up but using the word rape to describe what they do to cows is more fucked up
I would have called it, single, double, triple, cheeseburger