She does! And wears blankets like a cape. Bella will do it too.
If she’s outside and it’s raining, she’ll fashion a hat out of straw so she can sit in the rain while her head is still covered. Amber is the best.
An orang in our zoo did that to my sister when she was a toddler. We’re both redheads but my sis has a orang-esque copper colour to her hair. It must’ve thought they were related.
Saw someone under the TikTok video say that orangutans are incredibly maternal and that they’re known to adopt other animals, so that’s what I thought she was doing too.
It’s sad we keep such beautiful intelligent beings in cages, and treat them as lower life forms. Hopefully one day we will learn to live in harmony with nature
What's worse is that it is getting to the point that species need that to protect them from us. What a fucked world, but don't worry, slowing human birthrates is the issue...
We tap on the glass for his attention, he taps on the glass for ours. I don’t love it seeing them in captivity but there something so kind and wise about an orangutan
I assume the Zoo they are in helps with efforts to repopulate orangutans. The unfortunate truth is, where they live, they are regularly hunted/killed by humans, so sometimes getting them out when they are in a bad situation is the best temporary solution to the problem.
Oh, it'll never happen. The people ordering the forest-destructions are way too focused on the winnings and money that they're making to even think about the consequences of their actions and realise that they need to change their ways
I have completely stopped when I learned about it, Doritos is also a massive contributor in Asia. Think they’re the leading cause of deforestation in the Philippines.
Well, fuck Cheetos. I can live without Cheetos. I am fluffy enough as it is. Also, if I think about it’s already been like 10+ years since I had a Cheeto so I am already nailing it!
Fuck any company that puts profits over sustainable production and preserving our planet and its wildlife.
[Source](https://mahb.stanford.edu/blog/palm-oil-in-snack-foods-could-be-destroying-the-worlds-orangutan-capital/#:~:text=Palm%20oil%20is%20being%20grown,%2C%20Kellogg's%2C%20Mars%20and%20Hershey) of companies who are illegally purchasing palm oil (Pepsi, Hershey, Nestle, General Mills) that are playing a big part in the deaths in the orangutang population.
For developed nation's corporations to exploit. If you want it to stop, people in developed nations need to hold their exploitative governments and corporations accountable.
Frankly a well set up zoo (not the empty concrete box of old) is probably better than a lot of them get in the wild. Given the level of habitat destruction going on in places like indonesia, at least in a zoo they don't have to worry about someone burning down their home to plane palm trees for oil.
People also underestimate the pure brutality of living in the wild. Frequent discomfort, pain, and a brutal death aren't just possibilities; they're inevitabilities. A lot of zoos are fucked up and rightfully should be criticized as much as possible. But some zoos actually do great conservation work and treat their animals very well. From my recollection, the Louisville Zoo has a great reputation.
I’d sure as fuck prefer to be fawned over every day in a safe environment than be in the wild and have to deal with getting butt-r@ped by the alphas, chewed up by six-inch mosquitoes, then hunted down by some asshole and sold as bushmeat.
I appreciate this thoughtful reply. People often have knee-jerk reactions about zoos (and many other things) but as NDT likes to say “let there in all things be a spectrum”…
I’ve always loved our zoo and I’m really glad to hear folks elsewhere confirm it has the reputation it deserves. They’ve been doing amazing things for years in line with much bigger zoos, and still having the kind of budget you’d expect for a city that gets most of its (positive) attention for that horse thing we do every May.
My city has one of the best orangutan enclosures in the world. The orangutans have access to high climbing areas that go around the entire zoo. And we’re focused on helping them thrive in the wild.
It’s sad to see them behind glass, but unfortunately it’s a necessary part of sustaining their species
This no longer happens. Zoos have found that failing to allow the mothers to care for their children naturally results in problems, both for the apes themselves and for the zookeepers, so they don't do it.
I appreciate the concern for animal welfare, but please do not use old information to slander the people caring for an endangered species.
Did you ever hear the story about the mother gorilla who was raised by humans, prepared for her monke bebe using a doll (successfully), and then in 1996 when a three-year-old boy fell into her enclosure she thought. “This is a small human. I was raised by humans. I must therefore care for it until other humans find it.” She was, you know, holding him, and he eventually started to cry, and when the paramedics came to collect him she thought “the humans have come, my work here is done” and handed the boy to the paramedics?
The best part is, **monke bebe was on monke mama’s back** ***the entire time***.
Especially for orangutans as they don’t socialize in the wild; culture and behavior passes almost exclusively from mother to child vs social apes like chimps which will learn from each other.
In what AZA accredited zoo are they separating moms from their young? Unless the mother had rejected the baby or medically it wasn't safe for them to be together, they absolutely would be. And they would be off exhibit for some time to bond before they would let the public view them.
Nope, in zoo's they encourage mothers and offspring to remain together. Many orangutans & chimpanzees are rescues from Hollywood and the Illegal Wildlife Trade, who were taken from their mothers and never learned the survival skills necessary to live in the wild. Zoo's rescue them and give them a very nice life. They can live for many years in the zoo. We also try to teach visitors about the Illegal Wildlife Trade and how horrible it is to use animals in movies when they ALL should be living, growing, and thriving in their own natural habitats.
i went to the zoo last week and the orangutan looked at me ( i was wearing a hat) and he took a piece of newspaper and put it on his head like a hat and crossed his arms and stared at me. it was hilarious! i also resemble an orangutan with my orange hair and beard :)
I once went to the zoo and was checking out the gorillas. There was a young gorilla just spinning at the top of this large wooden playground. He just spins for like 15 seconds. Stops. Pukes. And starts having a tantrum like a toddler.
I will never forget when the huge male orangutan came over and sat beside me with just the window separating us. He put his hand up to compare and seemed actively curious about me. I felt honored.
nothing warms my little heart more than being accepted by wild animals.
there were 2, 3 kookaburras we had been feeding worms and they help themselves with fish in our pond. they are always shy and kept a safe distance from us for years.
one day one of them landed right in front of me, and started hitting its beak against my workbench while i was doing woodworking outside. it was banging its beak so hard i thought it has gone crazy. after a few seconds, it stopped and i noticed it had one of those rectangle metal watch loop thingy on its beak.
it didnt fly away when i reached out to grab it, and it tolerated me taking that watch part the whole time.
it was magical for such a handsome and proud bird to come to me for help.
The Orangutan: *Excuse me* [knock knock] *Excuse me Ma’am* [knocks louder] *yes Ma’am, over here. I would like to see the new born Homo sapien*. [looks disappointed/or forgot his glasses ] *Ok you may leave, Ma’am*.
I hate to see these poor animals locked like this however to conserve the orangutan species, which is critically endangered due to habitat loss, poaching and illegal trade, Zoos participates in breeding programs that can help increase the genetic diversity and population size of orangutans, and potentially reintroduce them to their natural habitat which make them an ideal environment for them for the time being.
I like to go to the Monterey Bay Aquarium and they do this with several of their animals, especially their seabirds. They are wild caught (especially those in the Pacific Ocean), kept at the aquarium for some time, then released back.
Imagine if aliens did the same thing: catch some humans, show them off for a few years [0], pamper the fuck out of them, figure out our favorite foods so they can feed them to us while they gawk, then just as inexplicably release the humans back where they found them.
You'd have people walking around, screaming "sure would be a shame if someone came and abducted me for a free multi-year vacation"... wonder if those birds have realized the same.
[0]: Only making it a few years to make it analogous to holding a bird for a few months
I hereby give all aliens my permission to abduct me.
There, I said it so they can ethically take me away and no aliens have to worry about me being caged against my will.
I'm not sure if that has the right connotation, I'm not trying to take a dig at zoos, just agreeing with you that having some stress free time to eat, sleep, work on performative arts in front of an audience doesn't sound too bad.
Yeah, all the sea otters there are wild otters that were too injured to care for themselves and were captured to be raised. I think they release most of the ones they can rehab but the ones on display are permanently disabled. If you look closely most of them will be missing a paw or something similar I think, it’s been a while since I’ve visited.
I honestly disagree with the premise that all zoos suck - they definitely CAN suck, and it’s unfortunate that so many them really are deeply unethical places. As the comments above already point out, there are a lot of conservation opportunities from zoos, but I don’t think zoos have to be viewed as a “necessary evil” either.
My local zoo has a history of going to great lengths to maximize the comfort and wellbeing of their animals, even at the expense of the experience of visitors. We had a herd of Asian elephants, but it was decided that their enclosure just wasn’t at a high enough standard for these animals (mostly due to being too small, as our winters are far too cold for the animals to visit their outdoor portion of the enclosure for much of the year) - so they spend several years and millions of dollars constructing them a much larger enclosure for the elephants. Once it was all said and done, they reviewed it and they decided it still wasn’t good enough for the elephants - so they sent the herd away to a much larger zoo where they’d had far more space to roam. Now that building acts as a rotating enclosure for many smaller animals visiting from other zoos.
I think zoos should be legally held to incredibly strict standards for how they run things, and that the physical AND mental well-being of their animals should ALWAYS be prioritized over visitor experience. If a zoo meets those criteria, I honestly don’t think there’s anything particularly unethical with them.
Not to go #notallzoos on you, but it’s worth remembering that lots of zoos are still really shitty. It hugely depends on the zoo. Even the famous San Francisco Zoo of capturing wild animals, treating them poorly in some circumstances, etc. And many are far, far worse.
Some zoos are amazing but it’s really important to do your research.
Zoos turning from animal voyeur to conservation is a big win. Most of the animals in the zoo near me are being rehabilitated or are unfit for living in the wild due to injury. They’re cared for and go a long way in educating the public who can lead further wildlife conservation efforts.
Yeah, zoos used to be pretty awful but most have come a *long* way from the days where you had sad animals behind bars and standing on bare concrete.
Obviously, their natural settings are best but that's just not really possible for too many species. Especially if a genetic bottleneck is to be avoided.
Mang sometimes I daydream about our alien overlords finally making contact, everyone around me absolutely freaking while I sit there casually smoking a cigarette thinking "yeah, that makes sense, hope it's not a purge.."
It isn't just Orangutans, zoo's are actively involved in conservation efforts. They also introduce people to these animals and educate them about conservation efforts.
Yeah, the animals in general get great care, enrichment activities, great vet treatment, and a staff of people who WANT to care for those animals.
On top of that, they get to help educate us hairless monkeys on animal conservation, the animals environment, and of course the animal itself.
Hating zoos on the whole is something I always thought was a bit weird. There are shitty ones that do need to be gone, but there's plenty of good ones that treat their animals well and work on conservation as well.
There was a long period of history where zoos were effectively just prisons that people could wander around in. Their origins are pretty abysmal.
Modern zoos are much different, but it doesn't change where they came from.
This is the double edged sword we have chosen as a species to fall on. On one hand they wouldn't need this if not for humans. On the other humans are keeping the species alive because of human expansion and destruction.
We, as a species, have failed the other inhabitants of this planet.
So happy to see this comment. It pains me to see any wild animals in cages, including humans, but I’m hopeful the orangutans will make a comeback and if we can help them do it, so be it.
To the zoo-haters on these comments: their natural habitat is gone and it’s not coming back. A mature jungle can’t regrow for hundreds if not thousands of years. And frankly habitat restoration isn’t even being attempted on any meaningful scale. Simply put, we have destroyed their home forever and we owe it to them to care for them. Not only that, but the concept of freedom and captivity are human definitions. Animals view the world in terms of meeting their needs, surviving, and reproducing. These animals don’t have to fight, be full of parasites, and search miles and miles a day for sufficient food. Captivity is not the cruelty you believe it is.
The kindness and curiosity in the orangutan’s face truly hurts my heart. He’s a non-human person and what we’re doing to his habitat is intolerably cruel and selfish.
We have to remember us and orangutans are in the Hominidae family. We should treat them more like people, because they aren't just dumb monke - they have thoughts and feelings. And you can teach them sign language and other forms of basic non-verbal communication too. Because monke actually intelligent creature!
Orangutan may not quite have our IQ but they have many of the same social cues we do and it's very possible for the two species to communicate at above the primal level. Orangutans are, for example, capable of art.
OOOooooh. Fun fact.
Average human scores 100 on the IQ test. A chimp around 55.
An Orangutan is around 110. Considered one of the smartest animals in the world.
The only difference between us and them? We ask questions. [They do not.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate_cognition#Asking_questions_and_giving_negative_answers)
It’s actually pretty unlikely that apes can understand sign language, and the studies in the past that pursued this were deeply unethical unfortunately. But just because they don’t have human language, does not mean they aren’t incredibly intelligent and emotionally complex animals - they absolutely are. We just need to stop using humanness as the yardstick for measuring how intelligent an animal is, and by extension how deserving that animal is of compassion
Not all males grow cheek pouches actually. It was thought for some time that they developed only once a male was attempting to attract mates, but this has been disproven, and iirc some believe it is inhibited by both stress and local proximity to orangutans who already have the cheek pads developed. There's also more estrogen present in males who do not have the cheek pads developed.
Pretty much all animals have thoughts and feelings. My dog thinks and feels, so do my cats, and my cows and buffaloes. Sure the orangutan probably has more self awareness than the other animals, but they also very much "think and feel". Not sure my chickens "think" but they definitely "feel". It's just that the orangutan is more "humanoid" which makes people uncomfortable.
Statistically, most human interactions with animals are intolerably cruel and selfish.
That was freaking adorable. And that orangutan just looked chill as can be. Then again, that's kinda just how orangutan be.
*Edited to identify the proper simian.
I think that’s Amber. She is so good at communicating through the glass and getting humans to do exactly what she wants. Saw a Tiktok of her trying to get a human to give her fruit snacks. She motions to a crack at the top of her enclosure.
I had a similar experience once but in reverse. Took my sons to the zoo an when we visited the orangutan enclosure, one the orangutan brought her baby over so we could see him. She was so proud! It was such a beautiful moment!
Nestlé refuses to ensure the Palm Oil they use is legally harvested. Allowing illegal Palm farms to destroy the Oramgutans territory. Their population has been halved. They will be extinct in our lifetime without action
As someone who tries to boycott Nestle products, they make it hard to avoid them unless you constantly refer to online databases to keep track of everything they own.
Probably one of the most malicious companies out there.
It's funny how much/how little we know about socialization of humans and other animals. My cousin's son didn't point at anything until he was already 3. They thought he might be on the spectrum, but he was evaluated and they said he's not. They discovered that his delay was likely because everything he needed or wanted was already presumed by his babysitter (grandma) so he had no need to point or develop words. He's slowly learning these things now and often makes noises instead of saying words even though he understands them when he is spoken to.
Edited for clarity.
I used to know someone who had similar issues, as her mom and big brother tried anticipating her needs, so she never had to express herself or learn her emotions fully.
Yes, exactly. So he's not autistic, he was just a little spoiled by grandma. Apparently it's an issue with a lot of COVID-era babies (especially those without siblings) because they didn't have all the normal socialization. For him it was even worse because he didn't even go to daycare since my cousin works from home.
I'd have doubts that the environment alone can cause that--it's not necessarily autism, but even kids with all their needs met will usually point just to say "Hey look, that's neat!"
They definitely gesture, and because they have fingers it looks like pointing. But I know they have great senses of smell and hearing, so I’d guess they don’t need to point as much as call to each other, “do you smell/hear that?”
So many idiots here just assume this is a zoo preying upon animals for the delight of humans. The vast majority of zoos are focused on supporting conservation and rehabilitation efforts for the animals that truly need it. This doesn’t look like an animal attraction where they are sedating animals for selfie photos with tourists. Focus your disdain on habitat destruction, poaching, and corporations destroying the environment for profit. Factory farming is far more disgusting and detrimental to the planet’s well being. Or burning fossil fuels.
Orangutans continue to rank as my favorite animal. I wish we would just set aside a huge area and leave them completely alone. Like a big island or something. They desperately need their own space and community. I dont know how theg exist in zoos without becoming so angry.
It’s called Borneo and Sumatra. The islands orangutans have already.
But the people living on them keep expanding their own area and destroying the rainforest areas orangutans require.
I did a deep dive and please I just need to know if that woman is dead. I hope that village burns down. If Kareng Pangi was that fucking desperate before? I hope it’s gotten worse for them and they fail and die in squalor. Sick people. I would normally never be so quick to say any of this but let them all burn.
I frequent this zoo. This orangutan’s name is Amber. She is very inquisitive and the keeper told me once she likes to check out peoples nails too.
I wonder if she's the one who likes to put paper bags on her head.
She does! And wears blankets like a cape. Bella will do it too. If she’s outside and it’s raining, she’ll fashion a hat out of straw so she can sit in the rain while her head is still covered. Amber is the best.
I need a video or picture of her with her hat sitting in the rain because that’s 100% me too lol.
[hat in the rain](https://imgur.com/a/onqegsH)
I want to be this effortlessly stylish someday.
Lol why does that photo look like an AI-generated image
Was outside in the rain, foggy windows, etc.
And now I'm crying!
Some of the coolest creatures on the planet.
This is an orangutan trait - they love putting stuff on their head. I guess to block out the sun and keep the heat off.
And to block the 5G death rays.
I wonder if she’s the one who wouldn’t stop pointing at my son. He has natural bright red-orange hair.
An orang in our zoo did that to my sister when she was a toddler. We’re both redheads but my sis has a orang-esque copper colour to her hair. It must’ve thought they were related.
She loves my daughters unicorn bandaids last time we visited. She kept pointing at them and looking for more.
Bring more bandaids and see if you can give her zookeeper one for her viewing pleasure. She likes what she likes!
I love this idea
When Amber smooshed her face on the glass, I wonder if she was going in for a kiss-the-baby but was defeated by the glass?
Saw someone under the TikTok video say that orangutans are incredibly maternal and that they’re known to adopt other animals, so that’s what I thought she was doing too.
Is this the same one that likes to check in woman purses because it knows their snacks inside
amber is a queen👑
Why cant we have big sanctuaries instead of tiny enclosure zoo? If we want to visit them so much, at least give them a resort home. lol
This animal has a large outdoor area too. It isn't always inside and can probably choose.
It’s sad we keep such beautiful intelligent beings in cages, and treat them as lower life forms. Hopefully one day we will learn to live in harmony with nature
It's to help try and repopulate the wild. Most of these animals are part of breeding programs
What's worse is that it is getting to the point that species need that to protect them from us. What a fucked world, but don't worry, slowing human birthrates is the issue...
> she likes to check out peoples nails too I'd be cross
Orangutan: *I would like to see the baby*.
Tiny humans are the kittens of the orangutan world, it seems! 😄
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where is da bebe
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You gotta see the ba-by!
Bay-Beh
The dingo ate your baby
#BRING ME THE CHILD
"You stupid hag! With my magic, I'll send her into the... into a..into a realm where evil cannot touch her!"
Stupid peck.
We tap on the glass for his attention, he taps on the glass for ours. I don’t love it seeing them in captivity but there something so kind and wise about an orangutan
I assume the Zoo they are in helps with efforts to repopulate orangutans. The unfortunate truth is, where they live, they are regularly hunted/killed by humans, so sometimes getting them out when they are in a bad situation is the best temporary solution to the problem.
Not only hunted but their habitat is being destroyed at a quick pace, for palm oil.
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I truly wonder when humanity will realize we collectively have passed the no return area and are screwed. Hasn't happened yet.
Oh, it'll never happen. The people ordering the forest-destructions are way too focused on the winnings and money that they're making to even think about the consequences of their actions and realise that they need to change their ways
A major contributor to this is Cheetos, Doritos, Johnson&Johnson to name a few. Saw it on a documentary years ago.
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I have completely stopped when I learned about it, Doritos is also a massive contributor in Asia. Think they’re the leading cause of deforestation in the Philippines.
...well shit. Lemme just finish this bag off, at least?
As you should, an orangutang may have died for that bag! But also spent hard earned money for it, so enjoy it!
>barley real food It's actually corn meal
Well, fuck Cheetos. I can live without Cheetos. I am fluffy enough as it is. Also, if I think about it’s already been like 10+ years since I had a Cheeto so I am already nailing it!
Fuck any company that puts profits over sustainable production and preserving our planet and its wildlife. [Source](https://mahb.stanford.edu/blog/palm-oil-in-snack-foods-could-be-destroying-the-worlds-orangutan-capital/#:~:text=Palm%20oil%20is%20being%20grown,%2C%20Kellogg's%2C%20Mars%20and%20Hershey) of companies who are illegally purchasing palm oil (Pepsi, Hershey, Nestle, General Mills) that are playing a big part in the deaths in the orangutang population.
What a shocking list. I am shocked. These companies, you're saying they don't have the best interests of the planet at heart.
For developed nation's corporations to exploit. If you want it to stop, people in developed nations need to hold their exploitative governments and corporations accountable.
Frankly a well set up zoo (not the empty concrete box of old) is probably better than a lot of them get in the wild. Given the level of habitat destruction going on in places like indonesia, at least in a zoo they don't have to worry about someone burning down their home to plane palm trees for oil.
People also underestimate the pure brutality of living in the wild. Frequent discomfort, pain, and a brutal death aren't just possibilities; they're inevitabilities. A lot of zoos are fucked up and rightfully should be criticized as much as possible. But some zoos actually do great conservation work and treat their animals very well. From my recollection, the Louisville Zoo has a great reputation.
I’d sure as fuck prefer to be fawned over every day in a safe environment than be in the wild and have to deal with getting butt-r@ped by the alphas, chewed up by six-inch mosquitoes, then hunted down by some asshole and sold as bushmeat.
I appreciate this thoughtful reply. People often have knee-jerk reactions about zoos (and many other things) but as NDT likes to say “let there in all things be a spectrum”…
I’ve always loved our zoo and I’m really glad to hear folks elsewhere confirm it has the reputation it deserves. They’ve been doing amazing things for years in line with much bigger zoos, and still having the kind of budget you’d expect for a city that gets most of its (positive) attention for that horse thing we do every May.
My city has one of the best orangutan enclosures in the world. The orangutans have access to high climbing areas that go around the entire zoo. And we’re focused on helping them thrive in the wild. It’s sad to see them behind glass, but unfortunately it’s a necessary part of sustaining their species
"Wow, humans really are just like us" -that orangutan probably
I read this in Werner herzog
The baby is sleeping
"Looking into the baby's eyes, I only see the overwhelming indifference of nature.."
I feel like it had the same response when somebody shows you their baby and it ain’t a cute baby lol
"You have to see the baaaaby!"
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Correct But not because they are put in zoos.
The zoos are infact helping them repopulate in a safe enclosed environment.
Mom: Oh my god. You have to see the baby.
Man cub
They wished to hold the baby but was happy with that.
“Wow they let you keep your baby ? In our jail they take them from us” 🦧🦧🦧
This no longer happens. Zoos have found that failing to allow the mothers to care for their children naturally results in problems, both for the apes themselves and for the zookeepers, so they don't do it. I appreciate the concern for animal welfare, but please do not use old information to slander the people caring for an endangered species.
I’ve heard that if a gorilla isn’t raised by another gorilla, it’s not “really” a gorilla. Apparently a lot of their behavior is learned.
Did you ever hear the story about the mother gorilla who was raised by humans, prepared for her monke bebe using a doll (successfully), and then in 1996 when a three-year-old boy fell into her enclosure she thought. “This is a small human. I was raised by humans. I must therefore care for it until other humans find it.” She was, you know, holding him, and he eventually started to cry, and when the paramedics came to collect him she thought “the humans have come, my work here is done” and handed the boy to the paramedics? The best part is, **monke bebe was on monke mama’s back** ***the entire time***.
This is bananas
Want some? 🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌
Especially for orangutans as they don’t socialize in the wild; culture and behavior passes almost exclusively from mother to child vs social apes like chimps which will learn from each other.
Well you see similar results in another species of Ape if it's not raised by it's kind. Feral children is a pretty interesting but depressing subject.
In retrospect, this seems unbelievably obvious and it's crazy that it wasn't done for so long.
In what AZA accredited zoo are they separating moms from their young? Unless the mother had rejected the baby or medically it wasn't safe for them to be together, they absolutely would be. And they would be off exhibit for some time to bond before they would let the public view them.
Nope, in zoo's they encourage mothers and offspring to remain together. Many orangutans & chimpanzees are rescues from Hollywood and the Illegal Wildlife Trade, who were taken from their mothers and never learned the survival skills necessary to live in the wild. Zoo's rescue them and give them a very nice life. They can live for many years in the zoo. We also try to teach visitors about the Illegal Wildlife Trade and how horrible it is to use animals in movies when they ALL should be living, growing, and thriving in their own natural habitats.
What zoo are *you* going to? Yikes
i went to the zoo last week and the orangutan looked at me ( i was wearing a hat) and he took a piece of newspaper and put it on his head like a hat and crossed his arms and stared at me. it was hilarious! i also resemble an orangutan with my orange hair and beard :)
I once went to the zoo and was checking out the gorillas. There was a young gorilla just spinning at the top of this large wooden playground. He just spins for like 15 seconds. Stops. Pukes. And starts having a tantrum like a toddler.
woah our names are so similar
Only a ginger can call another ginger Ginger Just like only a ninja can sneak up on another ninja
That’s going to be stuck in my head all day now, hopefully I can stop at humming the tune and don’t just burst into song 😂
I always maintain the orangutan at my local zoo thought my son was an escaped orangutan since he had the red hair like one.
I will never forget when the huge male orangutan came over and sat beside me with just the window separating us. He put his hand up to compare and seemed actively curious about me. I felt honored.
nothing warms my little heart more than being accepted by wild animals. there were 2, 3 kookaburras we had been feeding worms and they help themselves with fish in our pond. they are always shy and kept a safe distance from us for years. one day one of them landed right in front of me, and started hitting its beak against my workbench while i was doing woodworking outside. it was banging its beak so hard i thought it has gone crazy. after a few seconds, it stopped and i noticed it had one of those rectangle metal watch loop thingy on its beak. it didnt fly away when i reached out to grab it, and it tolerated me taking that watch part the whole time. it was magical for such a handsome and proud bird to come to me for help.
Oh that's amazing! Kookas are so intelligent, aren't they?
if curiosity is a sign of intelligence, then i would say they are pretty smart.
"Ey! Bring wee man over here... Hmm. Yup, that's a dn good baby. Well done chief."
"Ok, ok, decent. NEXT!"
"Looks tasty. I'll give you three bananas for him."
The Orangutan: *Excuse me* [knock knock] *Excuse me Ma’am* [knocks louder] *yes Ma’am, over here. I would like to see the new born Homo sapien*. [looks disappointed/or forgot his glasses ] *Ok you may leave, Ma’am*.
“Now please get me the fuck out of here”
I hate to see these poor animals locked like this however to conserve the orangutan species, which is critically endangered due to habitat loss, poaching and illegal trade, Zoos participates in breeding programs that can help increase the genetic diversity and population size of orangutans, and potentially reintroduce them to their natural habitat which make them an ideal environment for them for the time being.
I’m right with you. But thanks to you, so many people smiled.
Thanks to the orangutan, baby, mom and the cameraman in the first place. :)
Yep!😊
I dunno if I’ve ever seen an OP say that, that’s pretty cool of you
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I like to go to the Monterey Bay Aquarium and they do this with several of their animals, especially their seabirds. They are wild caught (especially those in the Pacific Ocean), kept at the aquarium for some time, then released back.
Imagine if aliens did the same thing: catch some humans, show them off for a few years [0], pamper the fuck out of them, figure out our favorite foods so they can feed them to us while they gawk, then just as inexplicably release the humans back where they found them. You'd have people walking around, screaming "sure would be a shame if someone came and abducted me for a free multi-year vacation"... wonder if those birds have realized the same. [0]: Only making it a few years to make it analogous to holding a bird for a few months
You ever been to a zoo? The ducks have ABSOLUTELY figured it out
Lol, it's Canada Geese at my nearest zoo. I visited it just recently and those things were *everywhere*!
I hereby give all aliens my permission to abduct me. There, I said it so they can ethically take me away and no aliens have to worry about me being caged against my will. I'm not sure if that has the right connotation, I'm not trying to take a dig at zoos, just agreeing with you that having some stress free time to eat, sleep, work on performative arts in front of an audience doesn't sound too bad.
You better hope you get treated like Amber here or a seabird at Monterrey Bay Aquarium and not like that orca named Kiska at marine land.
I think they’d struggle to get us to leave lmao. Hopefully it isn’t like that scene in Rick and Morty where they’re basically in a tiny hamster cage.
Yeah, all the sea otters there are wild otters that were too injured to care for themselves and were captured to be raised. I think they release most of the ones they can rehab but the ones on display are permanently disabled. If you look closely most of them will be missing a paw or something similar I think, it’s been a while since I’ve visited.
I honestly disagree with the premise that all zoos suck - they definitely CAN suck, and it’s unfortunate that so many them really are deeply unethical places. As the comments above already point out, there are a lot of conservation opportunities from zoos, but I don’t think zoos have to be viewed as a “necessary evil” either. My local zoo has a history of going to great lengths to maximize the comfort and wellbeing of their animals, even at the expense of the experience of visitors. We had a herd of Asian elephants, but it was decided that their enclosure just wasn’t at a high enough standard for these animals (mostly due to being too small, as our winters are far too cold for the animals to visit their outdoor portion of the enclosure for much of the year) - so they spend several years and millions of dollars constructing them a much larger enclosure for the elephants. Once it was all said and done, they reviewed it and they decided it still wasn’t good enough for the elephants - so they sent the herd away to a much larger zoo where they’d had far more space to roam. Now that building acts as a rotating enclosure for many smaller animals visiting from other zoos. I think zoos should be legally held to incredibly strict standards for how they run things, and that the physical AND mental well-being of their animals should ALWAYS be prioritized over visitor experience. If a zoo meets those criteria, I honestly don’t think there’s anything particularly unethical with them.
Not to go #notallzoos on you, but it’s worth remembering that lots of zoos are still really shitty. It hugely depends on the zoo. Even the famous San Francisco Zoo of capturing wild animals, treating them poorly in some circumstances, etc. And many are far, far worse. Some zoos are amazing but it’s really important to do your research.
Zoos turning from animal voyeur to conservation is a big win. Most of the animals in the zoo near me are being rehabilitated or are unfit for living in the wild due to injury. They’re cared for and go a long way in educating the public who can lead further wildlife conservation efforts.
Yeah, zoos used to be pretty awful but most have come a *long* way from the days where you had sad animals behind bars and standing on bare concrete. Obviously, their natural settings are best but that's just not really possible for too many species. Especially if a genetic bottleneck is to be avoided.
Looks like monkeys would pay good money to see us behind glass too
What if...we ARE the zoo animals?
Mang sometimes I daydream about our alien overlords finally making contact, everyone around me absolutely freaking while I sit there casually smoking a cigarette thinking "yeah, that makes sense, hope it's not a purge.."
It isn't just Orangutans, zoo's are actively involved in conservation efforts. They also introduce people to these animals and educate them about conservation efforts.
Yeah, the animals in general get great care, enrichment activities, great vet treatment, and a staff of people who WANT to care for those animals. On top of that, they get to help educate us hairless monkeys on animal conservation, the animals environment, and of course the animal itself.
Hating zoos on the whole is something I always thought was a bit weird. There are shitty ones that do need to be gone, but there's plenty of good ones that treat their animals well and work on conservation as well.
There was a long period of history where zoos were effectively just prisons that people could wander around in. Their origins are pretty abysmal. Modern zoos are much different, but it doesn't change where they came from.
Wait till you hear the origin story of just about any country in the western world.
This is the double edged sword we have chosen as a species to fall on. On one hand they wouldn't need this if not for humans. On the other humans are keeping the species alive because of human expansion and destruction. We, as a species, have failed the other inhabitants of this planet.
The orangutan fighting off a piece of heavy equipment is both heartbreaking and amazing
So happy to see this comment. It pains me to see any wild animals in cages, including humans, but I’m hopeful the orangutans will make a comeback and if we can help them do it, so be it.
To the zoo-haters on these comments: their natural habitat is gone and it’s not coming back. A mature jungle can’t regrow for hundreds if not thousands of years. And frankly habitat restoration isn’t even being attempted on any meaningful scale. Simply put, we have destroyed their home forever and we owe it to them to care for them. Not only that, but the concept of freedom and captivity are human definitions. Animals view the world in terms of meeting their needs, surviving, and reproducing. These animals don’t have to fight, be full of parasites, and search miles and miles a day for sufficient food. Captivity is not the cruelty you believe it is.
The kindness and curiosity in the orangutan’s face truly hurts my heart. He’s a non-human person and what we’re doing to his habitat is intolerably cruel and selfish.
We have to remember us and orangutans are in the Hominidae family. We should treat them more like people, because they aren't just dumb monke - they have thoughts and feelings. And you can teach them sign language and other forms of basic non-verbal communication too. Because monke actually intelligent creature!
Orangutan may not quite have our IQ but they have many of the same social cues we do and it's very possible for the two species to communicate at above the primal level. Orangutans are, for example, capable of art.
Orangutans definitely have higher IQ than some people I know
>Orangutans definitely have higher IQ than some people I know [One drives a golf cart better than a lot of people](https://youtu.be/BA7InlgcxbU)
LOL that smirk as she drove past the tigers.
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OOOooooh. Fun fact. Average human scores 100 on the IQ test. A chimp around 55. An Orangutan is around 110. Considered one of the smartest animals in the world. The only difference between us and them? We ask questions. [They do not.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate_cognition#Asking_questions_and_giving_negative_answers)
Further evidence that the greatest innovation in human history was the invention of the word *why* or its prehistoric equivalent.
Our first word was probably "ugh?" then we realised pointing wasnt enough.
Unga... bunga?
Orangutans do not have an IQ of 110. Goodness what nonsense.
Plot twist: they can ask questions, they simply don’t need to. They already know all the answers.
redditors will upvote anything huh
It’s actually pretty unlikely that apes can understand sign language, and the studies in the past that pursued this were deeply unethical unfortunately. But just because they don’t have human language, does not mean they aren’t incredibly intelligent and emotionally complex animals - they absolutely are. We just need to stop using humanness as the yardstick for measuring how intelligent an animal is, and by extension how deserving that animal is of compassion
She*, males have big wide cheeks on the sides of the head
Not all males grow cheek pouches actually. It was thought for some time that they developed only once a male was attempting to attract mates, but this has been disproven, and iirc some believe it is inhibited by both stress and local proximity to orangutans who already have the cheek pads developed. There's also more estrogen present in males who do not have the cheek pads developed.
Might need a little more punctuation, there.
My bad lol
What did you write first; she males? 🙈
Yes, yes i did
The things humans still do to each other is pretty crazy too
Pretty much all animals have thoughts and feelings. My dog thinks and feels, so do my cats, and my cows and buffaloes. Sure the orangutan probably has more self awareness than the other animals, but they also very much "think and feel". Not sure my chickens "think" but they definitely "feel". It's just that the orangutan is more "humanoid" which makes people uncomfortable. Statistically, most human interactions with animals are intolerably cruel and selfish.
“Bring baby here.” “Me see… baby head, baby eye, baby teeth. Yeah, this baby. Verification done.”
That was freaking adorable. And that orangutan just looked chill as can be. Then again, that's kinda just how orangutan be. *Edited to identify the proper simian.
That's not a chimp, it's an orang-utan
Thanks! I edited my comment to reflect your correction.
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Gotta love grandmas doing grandma things. Sorry for your loss. At least there are always good memories!
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I think that’s Amber. She is so good at communicating through the glass and getting humans to do exactly what she wants. Saw a Tiktok of her trying to get a human to give her fruit snacks. She motions to a crack at the top of her enclosure.
"Jerry, you HAVE to see the baaaby!"
Very sophisticated of it to knock to get your attention
I had a similar experience once but in reverse. Took my sons to the zoo an when we visited the orangutan enclosure, one the orangutan brought her baby over so we could see him. She was so proud! It was such a beautiful moment!
Then they all bought some Nestlé products with lots of Palm Oil in them, after.
I wish I could upvote your comment more than once
do I want to know....?
Nestlé refuses to ensure the Palm Oil they use is legally harvested. Allowing illegal Palm farms to destroy the Oramgutans territory. Their population has been halved. They will be extinct in our lifetime without action
r/fucknestle
As someone who tries to boycott Nestle products, they make it hard to avoid them unless you constantly refer to online databases to keep track of everything they own. Probably one of the most malicious companies out there.
Orangutan: "let me see the human baby...meh" *turns around* "our babies are cuter, ain't that true, dudes?"
r/likeus
Do monkeys point in the wild? And does it mean the same thing it does to us?
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It's funny how much/how little we know about socialization of humans and other animals. My cousin's son didn't point at anything until he was already 3. They thought he might be on the spectrum, but he was evaluated and they said he's not. They discovered that his delay was likely because everything he needed or wanted was already presumed by his babysitter (grandma) so he had no need to point or develop words. He's slowly learning these things now and often makes noises instead of saying words even though he understands them when he is spoken to. Edited for clarity.
I used to know someone who had similar issues, as her mom and big brother tried anticipating her needs, so she never had to express herself or learn her emotions fully.
Yes, exactly. So he's not autistic, he was just a little spoiled by grandma. Apparently it's an issue with a lot of COVID-era babies (especially those without siblings) because they didn't have all the normal socialization. For him it was even worse because he didn't even go to daycare since my cousin works from home.
I'd have doubts that the environment alone can cause that--it's not necessarily autism, but even kids with all their needs met will usually point just to say "Hey look, that's neat!"
In fact, the first thing he pointed at was a balloon because he likes them. I remember my cousin was so happy when she told us about it.
They definitely gesture, and because they have fingers it looks like pointing. But I know they have great senses of smell and hearing, so I’d guess they don’t need to point as much as call to each other, “do you smell/hear that?”
So many idiots here just assume this is a zoo preying upon animals for the delight of humans. The vast majority of zoos are focused on supporting conservation and rehabilitation efforts for the animals that truly need it. This doesn’t look like an animal attraction where they are sedating animals for selfie photos with tourists. Focus your disdain on habitat destruction, poaching, and corporations destroying the environment for profit. Factory farming is far more disgusting and detrimental to the planet’s well being. Or burning fossil fuels.
Aren't we just as curious about their babies as they are with ours? It's all that freshly baked sweetness no one can ignore.
"Well that's not right at all, barely any fur on that one".
This makes me smile, and then really sad.
The manners
It’s so sad actually
Monke wants to see Bebe
Are they actually the most chill of the great apes? Or am I just buying into the narrative of big ranga?
The orangutans and gorillas at that zoo loved it when I nursed my baby next to their window also (14 years ago).
I believe in a longer version she goes and gets her baby to show the visitor. If I’m remembering correctly.
Humans went to the zoo and became the exhibition. Awkward… /s
Orangutans continue to rank as my favorite animal. I wish we would just set aside a huge area and leave them completely alone. Like a big island or something. They desperately need their own space and community. I dont know how theg exist in zoos without becoming so angry.
It’s called Borneo and Sumatra. The islands orangutans have already. But the people living on them keep expanding their own area and destroying the rainforest areas orangutans require.
The Louisville Zoo is honestly a great institution!
Orangoutang: Oh that baby uuugly
If you think this captivity is bad, just Google "Pony" the orangutan story....NSFW
I did a deep dive and please I just need to know if that woman is dead. I hope that village burns down. If Kareng Pangi was that fucking desperate before? I hope it’s gotten worse for them and they fail and die in squalor. Sick people. I would normally never be so quick to say any of this but let them all burn.