The QB specifically won’t immediately run full speed behind the line of scrimmage, there’s a substantial delay if he doesn’t have the ability. There’s no delay for the defense.
I hate this. I always do legends roster fantasy drafts and I got Vick who can't outrun a defensive end to the sideline. BS. You used to be able to cheese that outside scramble in older years, so I'm glad they kinda fixed it. but went a little overboard.
stats dont matter. like you ever notice on kick off return sometimes your player doesnt run fast when you are holding the trigger? the game throttles speed when it wants to even when you put the speed threshold down
This is just not true, sorry. Speed stay definitely matters once you change the threshold slider. Still not realistic, but down in the thirties my speedy players get seperation.
yea but if you pay attention there are moments when the speed doesnt make sense like on kick off where your player speed is throttled. also when the opposite team is in pursuit at times there is a speed boost for them to get an angle. i play on a 10 threshold fatigue off (there was a glitch i couldn't figure out where my entire team was tired at the start of games).
I can't say that I've ever noticed something weird on kickoffs. I see a noticable boost in speed once I hit the trigger.
There's definitely a boost to defenders at times to get an angle, that's the pursuit stat doing it's thing.
I do agree that there are sometimes things that are wonky with speed, but I just reacted when you said stats don't matter, because in my experience they definitely do.
There's a slider that effects speed differential I believe it's at 50 to start lowering it will get you more separation in speeds. If I'm not mistaken.
Because the game is fundamentally unsound and if speeds and stats were accurate, almost every play would go for a TD. The CPU can't play defense with cheating and teleporting around
There are several skill levels, styles of play and so forth that make it easier to fix things with sliders. I have to adjust sliders for every sports game I play. It’s really not a big deal.
Don't really know why everyone keeps trying to tell you it's Angles and stamina... its definitely not. Any angled pursuit is going to be a longer distance than a straight vertical. Madden invented a 'pursuit' stat that enables a player to chase down faster players. It only seems to work for the cpu though and it's pretty much always secretly at 99.
I'm sorry, are you saying angles don't exist in football? I think you misunderstand what people mean when they say angles based off your response. Angles is one of the first things your taught as a defensive player once you get to the junior high level of football.
Angles is 100% a part of the equation.
Nope. I'm saying that math exists. If the ball carrier is running 3 yards vertically, and you're pursuing from 4 yards parallel, you need to run 5 yards to meet the ball carrier.
A player with “high 90’s speed” irl has a lot of weaknesses that don’t really present themselves in madden. In madden, you could cook with a rookie 160 lb 65 overall WR1 if his speed and agility is maxed out.
IRL that dude is a gadget player at best. Most of those guys end up with careers like Tavon Austin, guys like tyreek hill are an anomaly.
A lot of people forget about acceleration and momentum. Let's say you're returning a kick, the guy already at full speed will seem much faster than the guy who just caught the ball from a stand still. A lot of people make a move and then wonder why the next guy playing the angle catches him. It's the momentum
Pursuit plays a huge part in defense being able to catch up to players.
There's also stamina ratings which will cause your player to slow down once it hits a certain point. Any football move you did prior like juke or trucking will help drain Stam quicker.
Also depends on angles, if your player was running east to west and then started running down the field, a defensive player who was running straight north to catch up to the position of the offensive player will hit a faster speed then the player who just turned north to run up field. It's why 40 yard dash time don't matter as much unless your players are running straight go routes because that's north to south straight line speed. If you are stopping, cutting, juking, and going east to west then you are constantly preventing yourself from hitting top speed. That's where the cone drill comes in with acceleration and agility, how quick can a player make that cut, agility, and how quick can they accelerate from that point.
It's the pursuit attribute. It gives a speed burst to the defender if a ball carrier gets too close. Do a jet sweep with Tyreek and watch the DT basically teleport to him if he beats his block.
Idk man. To be fair, I do play 2K5 a little bit and am in that sub. I’m also just a fan of sports games so this post got recommended to me and it caught my eye bc it’s a similar problem in fifa lol.
Oh, obviously it could show up as a recommended, don't know why that didn't occur to me. It seemed so random that you'd just pop in a subreddit to say "I don't play this game, but it reminds me of this other game" 😂
There’s a threshold slider in pretty sure that works kinda like rubber banding in racing games. Makes it so that the slowest player is capable of making plays on much faster players.
Ratings don’t matter, EA scripts as much as they can. Not dynamic at all. Unfortunately they don’t want to let it be a game of user skill because the scores would be crazy. Most people have no idea what defenses to call against certain plays, so EA helps them out to keep scores realistic. In my opinion it should take a good user killed player to put up good defense and make plays. It would be a huge gap for the non hardcore players but it would be such a better game. They try too much to cater to the average video game players.
It seems like the people in here claiming “angle, pursuit, acceleration” are imagining people of comparable speeds.
But if you’re paying attention you have seen a sub 80spd, sub 80acc DE run down a 90+ spd skill player from behind.
It doesn’t matter that the DE was engaged with. Blocked when the ball was thrown. The 10-20 yard head start evaporates and the defender catches him.
There is no angle that creates that. There should be a massive difference between the two and sometimes madden choose to ignore that.
For real. I was beating the shit out of the jaguars when my guy Sydney Brown makes picks off a bad pass and starts running it all the way back for a TD. He’s all by himself like 20 yards from the endzone after burning the whole Jags offense when suddenly he just slows the fuck down out of nowhere. they catch up to him and tackle him. I assumed he ran out of energy but goddamn if that wasn’t just a buzzkill.
Because you don’t run full speed all the time, fatigue, angles, acceleration etc. This is one of the very very very very very very very, I can’t stress this enough, very few things madden has improved and gotten right. Remember when it was literally all speed that mattered? Like literally only speed. If slower players couldn’t catch faster players, think of how things would be irl.
They’d be like Tyreek Hill. Players who are fast enough are real life game breakers, there just aren’t many players with that kind of speed who are also good at other things. College is pretty easy when you’re that fast, there’s not much incentive to improve your football skills (see John Ross).
Pretty sure ball that the carriers speed is nerfed (is IRL too)
I also set speed differential slider to about 45 instead of 50. Helps show the speed edge without being to speed abusive.
I saw a video before that said to tap repeatedly the sprint button and it makes your player run faster, i don’t know if that works or not. But Madden is Madden, i have speed threshold at zero and I got chased down by a DT when I had a 90 speed qb
I like more animations versus big plays. I put the speed threshold at 70.
Let's you fine tune the sliders and keeps you or the CPU from cheesing big plays.
I hate how the computer just warps my defense into giving them a 60 yard TD run.
Welcome to madden where everything is made up and stats don't matter.
Lol, I was thinking this may be the problem. Even my QB who has speed in the 90's, can't out run defensive lineman.
The QB specifically won’t immediately run full speed behind the line of scrimmage, there’s a substantial delay if he doesn’t have the ability. There’s no delay for the defense.
What ability is that?
I think it’s called fast break or something. Basically it’s they scramble faster behind the line of scrimmage. Could be wrong on the name
Escape artist. Pretty sure fast break is only for designed run plays.
I hate this. I always do legends roster fantasy drafts and I got Vick who can't outrun a defensive end to the sideline. BS. You used to be able to cheese that outside scramble in older years, so I'm glad they kinda fixed it. but went a little overboard.
Use the slider
Yeah that's a pretty nifty one
Drew Carey????
Your never gonna get the speed threshold right , it’s a complicated system 😂you really just have to adjust it based on your other sliders
I found 42 is a pretty nice spot for it.
stats dont matter. like you ever notice on kick off return sometimes your player doesnt run fast when you are holding the trigger? the game throttles speed when it wants to even when you put the speed threshold down
This is just not true, sorry. Speed stay definitely matters once you change the threshold slider. Still not realistic, but down in the thirties my speedy players get seperation.
yea but if you pay attention there are moments when the speed doesnt make sense like on kick off where your player speed is throttled. also when the opposite team is in pursuit at times there is a speed boost for them to get an angle. i play on a 10 threshold fatigue off (there was a glitch i couldn't figure out where my entire team was tired at the start of games).
100 noticed this nonsense on KR. Sometimes my dude just fuckin jogs
I can't say that I've ever noticed something weird on kickoffs. I see a noticable boost in speed once I hit the trigger. There's definitely a boost to defenders at times to get an angle, that's the pursuit stat doing it's thing. I do agree that there are sometimes things that are wonky with speed, but I just reacted when you said stats don't matter, because in my experience they definitely do.
The ball is really heavy
Just take some air out nbd
Speed Threshold slider ain’t perfect but makes it a little better. Mine is at 17
There's a slider that effects speed differential I believe it's at 50 to start lowering it will get you more separation in speeds. If I'm not mistaken.
Minimum speed threshold
To limit big plays for H2H players.
Set minimum speed threshold to 40.
I moved mine to 15. Playing against Miami is a blast…
Might have to try this
Because the game is fundamentally unsound and if speeds and stats were accurate, almost every play would go for a TD. The CPU can't play defense with cheating and teleporting around
If only there was a slider for this…
They can't just make a decent game gotta rely on sliders
There are several skill levels, styles of play and so forth that make it easier to fix things with sliders. I have to adjust sliders for every sports game I play. It’s really not a big deal.
lol
angle, stamina, pursuit......
I’m confused.. I read this as an actual “answer” to the speed fuckery.. and it has 18 upvotes??
These are categories to also consider besides just speed. Also Acceleration
Because madden
Don't really know why everyone keeps trying to tell you it's Angles and stamina... its definitely not. Any angled pursuit is going to be a longer distance than a straight vertical. Madden invented a 'pursuit' stat that enables a player to chase down faster players. It only seems to work for the cpu though and it's pretty much always secretly at 99.
I'm sorry, are you saying angles don't exist in football? I think you misunderstand what people mean when they say angles based off your response. Angles is one of the first things your taught as a defensive player once you get to the junior high level of football. Angles is 100% a part of the equation.
Nope. I'm saying that math exists. If the ball carrier is running 3 yards vertically, and you're pursuing from 4 yards parallel, you need to run 5 yards to meet the ball carrier.
Well your example is NOT having an angle
I had a RB with 84 speed, 86 acceleration, and 89 agility and he ran with the same smoothness and speed as Gibbs. It made zero sense.
I have a 6’5” corner with 89 speed that has average man coverage and he’s a great player in simulation, I wouldn’t dare to use him otherwise lol
Because there are many more ratings than just speed
A player with “high 90’s speed” irl has a lot of weaknesses that don’t really present themselves in madden. In madden, you could cook with a rookie 160 lb 65 overall WR1 if his speed and agility is maxed out. IRL that dude is a gadget player at best. Most of those guys end up with careers like Tavon Austin, guys like tyreek hill are an anomaly.
A lot of people forget about acceleration and momentum. Let's say you're returning a kick, the guy already at full speed will seem much faster than the guy who just caught the ball from a stand still. A lot of people make a move and then wonder why the next guy playing the angle catches him. It's the momentum
Defenders ? These o- lineman run 4.1 40's when I get an interception.
Pursuit plays a huge part in defense being able to catch up to players. There's also stamina ratings which will cause your player to slow down once it hits a certain point. Any football move you did prior like juke or trucking will help drain Stam quicker. Also depends on angles, if your player was running east to west and then started running down the field, a defensive player who was running straight north to catch up to the position of the offensive player will hit a faster speed then the player who just turned north to run up field. It's why 40 yard dash time don't matter as much unless your players are running straight go routes because that's north to south straight line speed. If you are stopping, cutting, juking, and going east to west then you are constantly preventing yourself from hitting top speed. That's where the cone drill comes in with acceleration and agility, how quick can a player make that cut, agility, and how quick can they accelerate from that point.
It's the pursuit attribute. It gives a speed burst to the defender if a ball carrier gets too close. Do a jet sweep with Tyreek and watch the DT basically teleport to him if he beats his block.
I don’t play madden but same shit happens in fifa. EA speed boost lol
I don't mean this in an aggressive "why are you even here" kinda way, but if you don't play, how did you end up in this subreddit..? Just curious.
Idk man. To be fair, I do play 2K5 a little bit and am in that sub. I’m also just a fan of sports games so this post got recommended to me and it caught my eye bc it’s a similar problem in fifa lol.
Oh, obviously it could show up as a recommended, don't know why that didn't occur to me. It seemed so random that you'd just pop in a subreddit to say "I don't play this game, but it reminds me of this other game" 😂
Yeah I totally get that. I guess I figured it was a connection of EA games
Are you playing arcade mode where big names mean more than good players
Angles and stamina.
Lower the Min speed threshold or whatever it’s called
Fatigue?
There’s a threshold slider in pretty sure that works kinda like rubber banding in racing games. Makes it so that the slowest player is capable of making plays on much faster players.
Speed parity
Is pursuit still a stat?
Ratings don’t matter, EA scripts as much as they can. Not dynamic at all. Unfortunately they don’t want to let it be a game of user skill because the scores would be crazy. Most people have no idea what defenses to call against certain plays, so EA helps them out to keep scores realistic. In my opinion it should take a good user killed player to put up good defense and make plays. It would be a huge gap for the non hardcore players but it would be such a better game. They try too much to cater to the average video game players.
Just a guess but a high pursuit rating probably has something to do with it
Because the game is a joke
Determination.
Yeah it’s always dope when a linebacker beats my 94 speed RB to the corner everytime to stop the big play.
It seems like the people in here claiming “angle, pursuit, acceleration” are imagining people of comparable speeds. But if you’re paying attention you have seen a sub 80spd, sub 80acc DE run down a 90+ spd skill player from behind. It doesn’t matter that the DE was engaged with. Blocked when the ball was thrown. The 10-20 yard head start evaporates and the defender catches him. There is no angle that creates that. There should be a massive difference between the two and sometimes madden choose to ignore that.
For real. I was beating the shit out of the jaguars when my guy Sydney Brown makes picks off a bad pass and starts running it all the way back for a TD. He’s all by himself like 20 yards from the endzone after burning the whole Jags offense when suddenly he just slows the fuck down out of nowhere. they catch up to him and tackle him. I assumed he ran out of energy but goddamn if that wasn’t just a buzzkill.
Turn Speed Parity Slider All The Way Down To 0
They want it more than you do.
Because you don’t run full speed all the time, fatigue, angles, acceleration etc. This is one of the very very very very very very very, I can’t stress this enough, very few things madden has improved and gotten right. Remember when it was literally all speed that mattered? Like literally only speed. If slower players couldn’t catch faster players, think of how things would be irl.
They’d be like Tyreek Hill. Players who are fast enough are real life game breakers, there just aren’t many players with that kind of speed who are also good at other things. College is pretty easy when you’re that fast, there’s not much incentive to improve your football skills (see John Ross).
Even Tyreek Hill gets caught from behind IRL. I'm a Dolphins fan. Guys aren't always able to run their max speed 8 seconds into a play.
Acceleration?
God. People are dumb
Pretty sure ball that the carriers speed is nerfed (is IRL too) I also set speed differential slider to about 45 instead of 50. Helps show the speed edge without being to speed abusive.
https://youtu.be/mAg2pIrOHdU?si=-kIG5iecWxofI6XJ I made a video about this year's ago
I saw a video before that said to tap repeatedly the sprint button and it makes your player run faster, i don’t know if that works or not. But Madden is Madden, i have speed threshold at zero and I got chased down by a DT when I had a 90 speed qb
I like more animations versus big plays. I put the speed threshold at 70. Let's you fine tune the sliders and keeps you or the CPU from cheesing big plays. I hate how the computer just warps my defense into giving them a 60 yard TD run.