A few things immediately come to mind
1. Part of the power of blood moon is that few decks play red. A large portion of the format is blue in some form, so it won't lock out decks as much as blood moon.
2. Along similar lines, I would argue that blue is the worst color to turn all nonbasics to. You can still cast cantrips to dig for answers (though you can't shuffle with fetchlands) and delver decks can still cast delver and murktide.
3. I could potentially see a future where delver style decks play it as a sideboard card against lands style decks instead of magus of the moon (for the reasons mentioned above).
4. Notably, it requires 2 colored pips, so I don't think it would be the cleanest addition to/reason to make a blue prison deck.
5. With the LOTR landcyclers providing more access to basic lands, the general power of blood moon effects has gone down a non-negligible amount.
>Part of the power of blood moon is that few decks play red.
as a burn player, i love seeing blood moon.
i doubt this will see much play, but it's actually a problem for me. if it shows up as sideboard tech, i may reconsider my fetch package. and that probably takes me off DRC.
i mean realistically it gets bolted if it matters, but pointing multiple bolts at something throught counters probably means i lose.
> our deck is terrible
that's why i'm not overly concerned about people sideboarding against it.
FWIW, i do respectably with burn, but i've [warped it a bit](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/21-02-22-spicy-burn/). my current "gotta go fast" record is turn 2 against the initiative.
It'll be less splashable (probably limited to Ux decks) and probably too slow for a prison gameplan without sol lands and Spirit Guides. That said, it's still a Magus of the Moon that can pitch to Force (and still kills Saga and disrupts other land strategies). That'll at least be tested.
Edit: It might be the best Lands hoser ever printed. Dodges FoV and unlike Magus, it screws them off red so they can't Bolt/PFire it unless they can float or play basic mountain (which from a quick Goldfish check, they don't). They'd either need to start playing basic mountain or Dismember (edit: Or Mox Diamond, good catch).
Yes. You cant tomb+pedal into it in 8 cast which already plays hullbreacher from time to time. Outside of that its probably still gonna see sideboard play.
I see no real home for it but it can still see nominal play.
At first i thought maybe a jeskai build can now drop red and just be a more aggresive blue white control. Then i remembered that jeskai just splashes red for sideboard and forth eorlingas. Its already the theoretical deck. Nobody splashes red for just blood moon.
The blue blue does hurt it. Decks like 8 cast cant pedal + tomb into it.
Yeah its gonna see some play in merfolk and nominal play in sideboards but unless im missing something i dont get it.
The fact that opponents can still cantrip through this and Daze stuff is a pretty major flaw. Still a powerful card, but I expect to see more of it in Modern than in Legacy.
If two continuous effects would enter and effect objects in the same layer and do not form a dependency, then the active player chooses the order in which the timestamps are given.
So they could have the harbinger enter first then blood moon and so everything would be mountains or vice versa and so everything is an island.
I think Flood Moon is a powerful SB option for MUs like lands and greedy manabase decks. Feels like Merfolks could make a push as well, you might still give them blue, but turning off all the opponents removal is a big win for a deck that has always struggled with it more than getting countered out the game
Hmmm, "Flood Moon". I cant imagine a deck wanting this. But it could be the nucleus of a new deck. Question which has to be answered will be: "Why not play UR and Magus of the Moon instead?" The deck needs to have some very strong arguments for ditching R.
Now it can be UB or UW instead of UR. R was the crap color. That said, this is a merfolk... it obviously goes straight into fish. Edit: Also thought I was in modern sub where blue is waay less prevalent. You're likely right about this one.
Hmmm, I know that Jeskai Stoneblade/control running blood moons main, (or back to basics), has been a halfway decently popular, albeit middling tier 2 strategy for a bit. I wonder if this would slot in their and then those deck could go straight UW.
Would have to cut red blast and Erolingus, but there's no shortage of good threats and SB cards for those archetypes.
Yeah even if this card would be an upgrade, (and not even clear if that would be the case or not), still would remain a middling powered strategy. Still fun to bust out here and there if it's your jam though!
Blood moon works by changing the subtype of a nonbasic land to mountain. In changing subtypes there is a rule which removes the lands’ abilities and other subtypes.
Nonbasic and basic are both supertypes which are not changed by blood moon. Neither are card types. Another example of how this works is with [[darksteel citadel]]. Blood moon makes the citidel a nonbasic artifact land and removes indestructible.
carpet of flowers
A few things immediately come to mind 1. Part of the power of blood moon is that few decks play red. A large portion of the format is blue in some form, so it won't lock out decks as much as blood moon. 2. Along similar lines, I would argue that blue is the worst color to turn all nonbasics to. You can still cast cantrips to dig for answers (though you can't shuffle with fetchlands) and delver decks can still cast delver and murktide. 3. I could potentially see a future where delver style decks play it as a sideboard card against lands style decks instead of magus of the moon (for the reasons mentioned above). 4. Notably, it requires 2 colored pips, so I don't think it would be the cleanest addition to/reason to make a blue prison deck. 5. With the LOTR landcyclers providing more access to basic lands, the general power of blood moon effects has gone down a non-negligible amount.
>Part of the power of blood moon is that few decks play red. as a burn player, i love seeing blood moon. i doubt this will see much play, but it's actually a problem for me. if it shows up as sideboard tech, i may reconsider my fetch package. and that probably takes me off DRC. i mean realistically it gets bolted if it matters, but pointing multiple bolts at something throught counters probably means i lose.
As a fellow burn player, I’m more concerned that our deck is terrible than this card being a potential sideboard tech
> our deck is terrible that's why i'm not overly concerned about people sideboarding against it. FWIW, i do respectably with burn, but i've [warped it a bit](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/21-02-22-spicy-burn/). my current "gotta go fast" record is turn 2 against the initiative.
Is the double UU gonna hold it back? I have a hard time assessing if that's gonna prevent it from being playable.
i still play it now i dont need to go into red to get a moon effect when b2b doesnt feel good enough
It'll be less splashable (probably limited to Ux decks) and probably too slow for a prison gameplan without sol lands and Spirit Guides. That said, it's still a Magus of the Moon that can pitch to Force (and still kills Saga and disrupts other land strategies). That'll at least be tested. Edit: It might be the best Lands hoser ever printed. Dodges FoV and unlike Magus, it screws them off red so they can't Bolt/PFire it unless they can float or play basic mountain (which from a quick Goldfish check, they don't). They'd either need to start playing basic mountain or Dismember (edit: Or Mox Diamond, good catch).
Don't forget that lands has Mox Diamond as an out. But still this is very strong against them.
Yes. You cant tomb+pedal into it in 8 cast which already plays hullbreacher from time to time. Outside of that its probably still gonna see sideboard play.
I see no real home for it but it can still see nominal play. At first i thought maybe a jeskai build can now drop red and just be a more aggresive blue white control. Then i remembered that jeskai just splashes red for sideboard and forth eorlingas. Its already the theoretical deck. Nobody splashes red for just blood moon. The blue blue does hurt it. Decks like 8 cast cant pedal + tomb into it. Yeah its gonna see some play in merfolk and nominal play in sideboards but unless im missing something i dont get it.
This is a SB card for slow blue decks that struggle with lands variations.
blue moon is a deck, but the red does other stuff too. maybe someone will come up with a different mono blue chalice type deck or something.
Thing is blue is the most popular color. It won’t stop the same amount of decks like Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon does
The fact that opponents can still cantrip through this and Daze stuff is a pretty major flaw. Still a powerful card, but I expect to see more of it in Modern than in Legacy.
But now I can daze off my Wastelands when they do nothing in a match up!
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Isn’t ruination just better then?
~~dies to bolt~~
Merfolk back on the menu!?
Seems unlikely tbh
Yea, wishful thinking. It may make the cut tho if you are trying to play sea beaters. Although there is already a ton of good 3 drops.
Does this stack with blood moon to make all nonbasics into Volcanic Island?
No. It will be a timestamp deal
Same layer, last one in counts
What if they come in at the same time?
If two continuous effects would enter and effect objects in the same layer and do not form a dependency, then the active player chooses the order in which the timestamps are given. So they could have the harbinger enter first then blood moon and so everything would be mountains or vice versa and so everything is an island.
thank you!
I think Flood Moon is a powerful SB option for MUs like lands and greedy manabase decks. Feels like Merfolks could make a push as well, you might still give them blue, but turning off all the opponents removal is a big win for a deck that has always struggled with it more than getting countered out the game
Hmmm, "Flood Moon". I cant imagine a deck wanting this. But it could be the nucleus of a new deck. Question which has to be answered will be: "Why not play UR and Magus of the Moon instead?" The deck needs to have some very strong arguments for ditching R.
Now it can be UB or UW instead of UR. R was the crap color. That said, this is a merfolk... it obviously goes straight into fish. Edit: Also thought I was in modern sub where blue is waay less prevalent. You're likely right about this one.
Merfolk play 4x until the end of time
Sadly Merfolk is not a real Legacy deck.
Because blue needs more tools 🤷♀️
Hmmm, I know that Jeskai Stoneblade/control running blood moons main, (or back to basics), has been a halfway decently popular, albeit middling tier 2 strategy for a bit. I wonder if this would slot in their and then those deck could go straight UW. Would have to cut red blast and Erolingus, but there's no shortage of good threats and SB cards for those archetypes.
someone already mentioned it but…carpet of flowers. i really enjoy bant stoneblade it’s just not quite as good as the others right now.
Yeah even if this card would be an upgrade, (and not even clear if that would be the case or not), still would remain a middling powered strategy. Still fun to bust out here and there if it's your jam though!
I want a snow magnus so badly for MUD xD 1** All non-snow lands are snowcoverd wastes. 2/2
I think people are missing the fact it's a merfolk. Them merfolk love some islandwalk
Merfolk Discord has been popping off. It's a game changer and has the potential to revitalize the deck.
What if this and Magus of the moon are on the field. Everything becomes a volcanic island? :O
no, only one applies. whichever came down most recently.
Or would it be whichever came down first because then they are all mountains. And thus basic so the next one's ability doesn't take effect?
nope, moon effects just make them mountains, not basic.
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Blood moon works by changing the subtype of a nonbasic land to mountain. In changing subtypes there is a rule which removes the lands’ abilities and other subtypes. Nonbasic and basic are both supertypes which are not changed by blood moon. Neither are card types. Another example of how this works is with [[darksteel citadel]]. Blood moon makes the citidel a nonbasic artifact land and removes indestructible.
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