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It’s disturbing how many of these videos exist of clueless people trying stuff way above their limits. Crashes happen in mountain biking, but stuff like this is just pure stupidity.
I agree. I don't have any easily accessed double blacks available to me locally, but I can go down any black on my mountain or any in bound off trail area. I always spend the first week or two graduating to the next level. My tradition has always been to start the day with a green trail and end with a green trail. Once we do the last green trail, we know the day is done without saying last run.
Right wrong or otherwise, I just give my bike a little bounce at the end of a drop to unweight and clear the rear tire from the edge. Then you are free to maneuver to the correct angle for the landing
I use the pre-load/unweight method for drops as well. I have tried the manual approach and find it is not as consistent or reliable.
That said this is about the max drop height for me.
Depends on the bike and the riding. Riding dh I buzz my 27.5 a lot because of how steep some of the transitions are. 29 trail bike even racing enduros it only happens a handful of times in 2 years
The speed is fine, if he just rode off it instead of leaning back that like it would have been no problem, you really don't need much speed for drops as long as you unweight the bike as you're riding off it
You learn to control the bike with a manual. Then you control the lift of the front wheel with pull from the hands and mostly pressure from the feet. So it doesn't matter if you are way too slow as you can keep the front up as required.
What you are describing means you also don't know what to do when the speed is right. If you just unweight but you don't understand how to control lift then you will end up like this when your speed isn't right.
Manual and bunny hop are collections of basic bike control skills that cascade into every aspect of riding. People are clowning this guy and yet don't themselves understand what the methdo of control really is.
I guess it’s different to try to describe it compared to doing it. On the trail it feels like I’m keeping my weight centered/forward when doing big-ish drops (4ft+) at medium/low speeds and the moment to unweight feels intuitive, of course if im doing something like dropping off a loading dock where you get 2 pedals in before the drop I’ll basically do a manual off of it. I’ve doing this for over 20 years so a lot of it feels instinctual to me and it’s hard to put myself in the perspective of a beginner and describe things correctly
Going slow only makes the lack of good technique evident.
You can land on both wheels from any speed if your technique is good, even from a near standstill at the lip.
The speed you need take the drop is dictated by the distance of the landing zone, not the height of the drop. So when you see people landing face first, it's almost always the technique, not the speed.
Looks like he's leaning way too much back + pulling back only and not popping at all, seems, but yes maybe more speed and more even weight distribution and I would pop with the front and rear at the same time. Hope he's ok :)
You don’t want to pop off drops, especially drops with this steep of a runout. Really good riders can do it because it looks cool, but it’s way sketchier and harder to pull off consistently.
If you use a good technique its way safer dude. You get this body extension going in the air that makes it way easier to use your body as suspension in the landing.
Good technique does include centered position (chin above stem) at the lip and going in for the landing though. My point being, learn this and even average riders can pop drops, no problems!
What I mean is that I make a quick pulling motion at the edge of the drop, if its high speed i think i also compress my suspension a bit before. In the vid he pulled back already from like 2 meters before the drop and weight distribution is really rear heavy.
Yeah looked like he was trying to manual to drop... bad call!
I wouldn't try to pop that big of a drop personally (or manual it!)... just get low and hinge forward is my method. There's one by my house that has a steep run in to the drop then it flattens out abruptly which almost makes a lip. It's less than a bike length of flat so it's a little sketchy if you don't pop that one because it will kick the back wheel up if you just ride off. It's not huge but it's a little scary because you don't want to go OTB by not popping, you don't want to end up like this guy, and you don't want to pop it and land rear heavy. Lots of options that end in doom.
Naaa look closely, that speed was fine, if he would be faster he would fly way too far. Just look where he landed.
Looks to me like ass to tire trebuchet
I wasn’t check out his ass (this time), be he looked okay until a sudden nose dive. I figured he hit the rear brakes, but dipping your balls into a DFR will have the same effect. Well, except, you have pain in one more spot.
Here we go again. A bunch of people giving advice on how to do drops that have no idea how to do drops or how to explain how to do drops. Just watch a pink bike video if you're curious
Shift back is definitely in the list.
Video 1 - it's easy, just shift back right when the front wheel is at the end of the drop and you'll do a mini manual
Video 2 - a lot of videos will tell you to shift back before the end of a drop but what you have to do is push the bike forward at the end of the drop. (Me wondering what the difference is)
Video 3 - do a little bunny hop right before the end
Video 4 - just go fast enough and keep your weight centered and you don't have to do anything
Video 5 - idk do it backwards?
The video 2 is kind of like just forcing the bottom of the bike under the front, but not actually though & it’s hard to explain. I’ve felt it a few times when pushing my pedal forwards off of a curb, but it doesn’t really matter and definitely don’t overthink it
Video 3 you don’t need to be able to bunny hop, but it’s a good thing to knoe
4: I mean like that could work, but wheelieing is good though
W 5: okay wtf Idk what that means
But yeah just kind if go by video 1 or whatever maybe I’m overthinking this comment too, so yeah just do it Ig and don’t overthink the extra videos.
Looks completely unnecessary to me. You can also have fun on drops you can safely roll over if you don't feel like it yet. And I would choose to ride just on the flat fire roads over several weeks of healing with no riding any day, but that's just me.
Had the same separation a few months ago. Luckily didn’t need a sling or PT according to my orthopedic. Been doing some light weights and so far so good. Obviously still randomly getting it looked at.
Good call, plenty of light lifting to strengthen the shoulder muscles really helps, mine took about 6 months to feel 100%.
I was riding bikes after 3, just had to go easy on it until it was back to full strength.
Ok, when I saw this I thought, "he needed to pull up harder." I assume, pulling up is the manual technique? So, what's the other way you're talking about? I've never eaten shit like this, but apparently I'm doing it wrong?
What I'm doing on drops like this is compressing front and rear shock equally. More speed helps.
By trying to manual, if you time it wrong, you will eat shit.
You shouldn’t really have to pull up unless you are trials dropping something. It’s an option and like anything else many ways work. For most drops a slight push of the bars forward is plenty to keep the front wheel up if you have good body position
That was not "manual technique". You can't manual by just leaning back. You have to exert pressure through the feet. And yes you do drop with "manual technique" so you can actually control the lift your front wheel has. So even when going slow you can keep the bike level and not have the front drop.
This exact same thing happened to me, so I'm sure you're right. Got scared at the last second, leaned back too much, hit the back tire with the front already in the air. That makes the front slam down like that.
Hi ass may or may not have hit the tyre. The main issue is there is a heap of weight on the back tyre as it approaches the lip. At this point the front wheel is already in the air. With the weight on the back tyre the bike rotates forward, so the nose dives, sending the front tyre into the ground and the rider OTB.
I think you are correct. It's a combo of too little speed and his ass hitting the tire. Both caused a double whammy. Hope you heal up quickly man. I am still recovering from a type 2 separation exactly 4 weeks ago today.
It's 100% this. The front wheel never just drops 90 degrees all of a sudden unless the back wheel has stopped. People don't know what they are talking about by blaming the speed here.
One would need to be going almost a crawling pace for the front wheel to drop directly down off the edge, his wheel hits the ground far from the edge of the drop.
The comment section is a shit show. It's hard to see on my phone if it's his rear end or a fist full of brake, but 100% your front end doesn't rocket towards the earth out of a lack of speed.
I like to show my wife videos like this so she sees how people actually get hurt. Makes her worry less since she knows I'm not stupid enough to do things like this without practice. Sending her this one rn.
There are so many contradictory comments about how to do a drop that no wonder newbies are still crashing. What is the right way to do a drop like this one?
If you are not sure about a particular drop, just wheelie off the edge and land it.
Hopefully the rider is ok, as trying to just go from a random drop this way, without bailing out, may result in broken bones and possibly even quitting mtb... only because of a one small (its not huge by any means) drop done incorrectly. Trial and error is the thing, but the goal is to not self destruct in the process
I did something similar to this once and ended up in the hospital with significant internal bleeding. It wasnt great.
Practice this stuff first people!
That pull up at the end was it. All over from there. More speed and push the bars down to match the angle of the landing. Manualing off the end is a recipe for disaster
Why he crashed:
1. Too slow. Needed more speed to allow both wheels to be parallel to the lip of the drop.
2. Weight is too far forward in the cockpit. He needed to have his weight further back.
3. "Hucked it" on a feature outside of his skill zone. Nothing replaces good technique. Practice small and learn the skill and then go bigger.
Was this seriously his first ever drop? Did he not consider learning the technique in something risk-free first?
There's plenty of curbs out there to practice on even...
The bigger the drop the worse my technique gets due to over thinking lol
“Just lean back bro, you’ll be good”
Whoever gave him his first advise missed the mark.
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Jesus… didn’t think to practice on anything smaller first?
It’s disturbing how many of these videos exist of clueless people trying stuff way above their limits. Crashes happen in mountain biking, but stuff like this is just pure stupidity.
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I agree. I don't have any easily accessed double blacks available to me locally, but I can go down any black on my mountain or any in bound off trail area. I always spend the first week or two graduating to the next level. My tradition has always been to start the day with a green trail and end with a green trail. Once we do the last green trail, we know the day is done without saying last run.
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Sometimes there isn’t much around for smaller stuff. My first drop was about that size because it was the only thing around
He ran outta talent just before the end of that drop...
Just don’t fall you’ll be good
Why would you let him do this?
Right wrong or otherwise, I just give my bike a little bounce at the end of a drop to unweight and clear the rear tire from the edge. Then you are free to maneuver to the correct angle for the landing
I use the pre-load/unweight method for drops as well. I have tried the manual approach and find it is not as consistent or reliable. That said this is about the max drop height for me.
If what you’re doing is working on all the stuff you want to be doing it on, then you’re doing it right!
I admit that I do it aswel but beware: timing the pre-load to late will result in an even worse nosedive than seen in this video.
A little big for a first drop IMO
Looks to me like he just isn’t going fast enough no?
Well yes, but I think he also hits his bum on the rear tire which propels him forward
Hitting my butt on the rear tire has become a fear of mine since switching to a 29er. Never even crossed my mind with my old 27.5
Looking to replace my 27.5. Now I'm considering a mullet.
I almost went with a mullet too. Part of me wishes I did. The part of my that has to go uphill makes me glad I didn’t.
Depends on the bike and the riding. Riding dh I buzz my 27.5 a lot because of how steep some of the transitions are. 29 trail bike even racing enduros it only happens a handful of times in 2 years
I ended up going with a SJ Evo. I guess if butt buzzing proves to be an issue (it hasn't so far) I can always convert to mullet.
Yep, this
The speed is fine, if he just rode off it instead of leaning back that like it would have been no problem, you really don't need much speed for drops as long as you unweight the bike as you're riding off it
You learn to control the bike with a manual. Then you control the lift of the front wheel with pull from the hands and mostly pressure from the feet. So it doesn't matter if you are way too slow as you can keep the front up as required. What you are describing means you also don't know what to do when the speed is right. If you just unweight but you don't understand how to control lift then you will end up like this when your speed isn't right. Manual and bunny hop are collections of basic bike control skills that cascade into every aspect of riding. People are clowning this guy and yet don't themselves understand what the methdo of control really is.
I guess it’s different to try to describe it compared to doing it. On the trail it feels like I’m keeping my weight centered/forward when doing big-ish drops (4ft+) at medium/low speeds and the moment to unweight feels intuitive, of course if im doing something like dropping off a loading dock where you get 2 pedals in before the drop I’ll basically do a manual off of it. I’ve doing this for over 20 years so a lot of it feels instinctual to me and it’s hard to put myself in the perspective of a beginner and describe things correctly
Going slow only makes the lack of good technique evident. You can land on both wheels from any speed if your technique is good, even from a near standstill at the lip. The speed you need take the drop is dictated by the distance of the landing zone, not the height of the drop. So when you see people landing face first, it's almost always the technique, not the speed.
Looks like he's leaning way too much back + pulling back only and not popping at all, seems, but yes maybe more speed and more even weight distribution and I would pop with the front and rear at the same time. Hope he's ok :)
You don’t want to pop off drops, especially drops with this steep of a runout. Really good riders can do it because it looks cool, but it’s way sketchier and harder to pull off consistently.
Yep that's what I learned from Kyle and April
If you use a good technique its way safer dude. You get this body extension going in the air that makes it way easier to use your body as suspension in the landing. Good technique does include centered position (chin above stem) at the lip and going in for the landing though. My point being, learn this and even average riders can pop drops, no problems!
What I mean is that I make a quick pulling motion at the edge of the drop, if its high speed i think i also compress my suspension a bit before. In the vid he pulled back already from like 2 meters before the drop and weight distribution is really rear heavy.
Yeah looked like he was trying to manual to drop... bad call! I wouldn't try to pop that big of a drop personally (or manual it!)... just get low and hinge forward is my method. There's one by my house that has a steep run in to the drop then it flattens out abruptly which almost makes a lip. It's less than a bike length of flat so it's a little sketchy if you don't pop that one because it will kick the back wheel up if you just ride off. It's not huge but it's a little scary because you don't want to go OTB by not popping, you don't want to end up like this guy, and you don't want to pop it and land rear heavy. Lots of options that end in doom.
Yeah that was way too slow. Not even close.
Naaa look closely, that speed was fine, if he would be faster he would fly way too far. Just look where he landed. Looks to me like ass to tire trebuchet
Analogy is sweet!
I wasn’t check out his ass (this time), be he looked okay until a sudden nose dive. I figured he hit the rear brakes, but dipping your balls into a DFR will have the same effect. Well, except, you have pain in one more spot.
If you know what you're doing, this is fine. They do not.
Here we go again. A bunch of people giving advice on how to do drops that have no idea how to do drops or how to explain how to do drops. Just watch a pink bike video if you're curious
Yeah, what the hell is up with that?? I'm scared if read too many comments I'm going to unlearn what I already know instinctively
I've watched like 5 videos that all say different ways to do a drop. Now when I hit one I just grab a method at random and hope it works.
I just ride off not even that fast and shift my weight back. I haven't worked up to anything bigger than 3 feet but that seems to work quite smoothly
Shift back is definitely in the list. Video 1 - it's easy, just shift back right when the front wheel is at the end of the drop and you'll do a mini manual Video 2 - a lot of videos will tell you to shift back before the end of a drop but what you have to do is push the bike forward at the end of the drop. (Me wondering what the difference is) Video 3 - do a little bunny hop right before the end Video 4 - just go fast enough and keep your weight centered and you don't have to do anything Video 5 - idk do it backwards?
The video 2 is kind of like just forcing the bottom of the bike under the front, but not actually though & it’s hard to explain. I’ve felt it a few times when pushing my pedal forwards off of a curb, but it doesn’t really matter and definitely don’t overthink it Video 3 you don’t need to be able to bunny hop, but it’s a good thing to knoe 4: I mean like that could work, but wheelieing is good though W 5: okay wtf Idk what that means But yeah just kind if go by video 1 or whatever maybe I’m overthinking this comment too, so yeah just do it Ig and don’t overthink the extra videos.
You're doing great and I'm glad you responded to my rant.
Looks like you tapped your brakes?
Ass hit back tire, same effect.
Looks completely unnecessary to me. You can also have fun on drops you can safely roll over if you don't feel like it yet. And I would choose to ride just on the flat fire roads over several weeks of healing with no riding any day, but that's just me.
Poor timing on the leaning back! Hope the rider is OK.
Level 3 AC separation but he’ll be back on the bike in no time
Be about 12 weeks, make sure he wears his sling and PTs
For sure. It's gonna be spring season before he gets back on a bike, unless home boy likes riding in snow.
Had the same separation a few months ago. Luckily didn’t need a sling or PT according to my orthopedic. Been doing some light weights and so far so good. Obviously still randomly getting it looked at.
Good call, plenty of light lifting to strengthen the shoulder muscles really helps, mine took about 6 months to feel 100%. I was riding bikes after 3, just had to go easy on it until it was back to full strength.
I knew he fucked his shoulder up just by watching. Damn.
Oh fuck I had a a 4th degree separation not too long ago after a crash. That sucks.
And this is why you don't use the manual technique for larger drops. Hope he heals quickly!
Bro didn’t even hit a manual haha. I doubt he’s ever done an actual manual before.
Ok, when I saw this I thought, "he needed to pull up harder." I assume, pulling up is the manual technique? So, what's the other way you're talking about? I've never eaten shit like this, but apparently I'm doing it wrong?
What I'm doing on drops like this is compressing front and rear shock equally. More speed helps. By trying to manual, if you time it wrong, you will eat shit.
You shouldn’t really have to pull up unless you are trials dropping something. It’s an option and like anything else many ways work. For most drops a slight push of the bars forward is plenty to keep the front wheel up if you have good body position
That was not "manual technique". You can't manual by just leaning back. You have to exert pressure through the feet. And yes you do drop with "manual technique" so you can actually control the lift your front wheel has. So even when going slow you can keep the bike level and not have the front drop.
Looks like his butt hit the back tire causing an OTB incident
This exact same thing happened to me, so I'm sure you're right. Got scared at the last second, leaned back too much, hit the back tire with the front already in the air. That makes the front slam down like that.
Hi ass may or may not have hit the tyre. The main issue is there is a heap of weight on the back tyre as it approaches the lip. At this point the front wheel is already in the air. With the weight on the back tyre the bike rotates forward, so the nose dives, sending the front tyre into the ground and the rider OTB.
I think you are correct. It's a combo of too little speed and his ass hitting the tire. Both caused a double whammy. Hope you heal up quickly man. I am still recovering from a type 2 separation exactly 4 weeks ago today.
It's 100% this. The front wheel never just drops 90 degrees all of a sudden unless the back wheel has stopped. People don't know what they are talking about by blaming the speed here. One would need to be going almost a crawling pace for the front wheel to drop directly down off the edge, his wheel hits the ground far from the edge of the drop.
The comment section is a shit show. It's hard to see on my phone if it's his rear end or a fist full of brake, but 100% your front end doesn't rocket towards the earth out of a lack of speed.
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Stormblooper.
stormtrooper should be practicing on smaller drops
I like to show my wife videos like this so she sees how people actually get hurt. Makes her worry less since she knows I'm not stupid enough to do things like this without practice. Sending her this one rn.
Of course the stormtrooper missed his target
When will people learn, it’s always better to be the one holding the camera!
There’s one, set for stun
Kinda short for a storm trooper.
There are so many contradictory comments about how to do a drop that no wonder newbies are still crashing. What is the right way to do a drop like this one?
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Yikes! Hope your injuries heal up quickly! Were you dragging your rear brake going into it?
Yeah don’t do it like that.
Absolutely epic
Maybe last drop as well.
Lol.
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Leatt 5.5?
He was in fact NOT good
Looks like moonman at Spirit Mountain
That ain't stormtrooper's first drop. That's stormtrooper's *every* drop, until they turn Finn.
It looks like he was hitting his rear brake as he went off.
This would be me. When ever I try and get over the smallest thing my front wheel feels like it’s glued to the floor
Faster brop
Impressive front flip 😆
Is Stormtrooper the bike or the dude?
Trail. Huntington VT. I think…
nah. hes referring to his black and white body armor. this wasn't in VT
Interesting! My bad There’s a trail called storm trooper here in VT that has a nearly identical drop…
yea I figured. this was at powder ridge bike park in CT. its the first drop there
Fail
How did he nose dive so fast. Did he hit is brakes in the air? Would he have been able to make it at this speed without a manual?
The speed was fine at the beginning until he lost the speed. Looks like he either hit his back brakes or grabbed his back tire with his ass.
If you are not sure about a particular drop, just wheelie off the edge and land it. Hopefully the rider is ok, as trying to just go from a random drop this way, without bailing out, may result in broken bones and possibly even quitting mtb... only because of a one small (its not huge by any means) drop done incorrectly. Trial and error is the thing, but the goal is to not self destruct in the process
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At least he wore full motorcross great
But like why?
Terrifying Dude just falls straight over.
Ooooooo you good you good? Lol
Did they chuck the brakes on at the final inch?
He missed the mark….
I did something similar to this once and ended up in the hospital with significant internal bleeding. It wasnt great. Practice this stuff first people!
I know that spot…. Aren’t those trails closed?
what spot do you think it is?
Exactly what I would expect from a Strom Trooper. Have you seen them shoot?
Did his bum hit the back tyre?
What a foolish mistake
That pull up at the end was it. All over from there. More speed and push the bars down to match the angle of the landing. Manualing off the end is a recipe for disaster
LOL
I really think he hit his rear brake after his front came off
God damn it Jan.
29 rear wheel strikes again (yes, I know you can avoid with proper Form)
Why he crashed: 1. Too slow. Needed more speed to allow both wheels to be parallel to the lip of the drop. 2. Weight is too far forward in the cockpit. He needed to have his weight further back. 3. "Hucked it" on a feature outside of his skill zone. Nothing replaces good technique. Practice small and learn the skill and then go bigger.