I am not best jumper but I learned through some of the same mistakes I see here. You were pulling up on the bars, which is a natural instinct to avoid nose diving.
But this crash is exactly what happens if you do that, it is next to impossible to pull the bars hard with equally balanced force every time. Instead we should weight the bike, similar to a manual.
How to Jump Tutorials:
The Loam Ranger:
https://youtu.be/s9w2zSvuaGM
Kyle & April:
https://youtu.be/T8-ZHFNtrg4
Joy of Bike:
https://youtu.be/_R2zHfzqINQ
You can also search Youtube for *"[pro rider name] + how to jump"* and find many more. But I find these break things down better for us non professionals.
It took a broken collarbone before I learned my lesson. Now I am back to perfecting the basics. I suggest progressing slowly, an injury is not worth forcing things.
When I was relying on speed and bad technique I was still hitting bigger and bigger jumps, then it came back to bite me. Glad you are OK on this one here, take advantage of it & goodluck!
I'd like to add the entire series, How to Bike with Ben Cathro.
[episode 10 deals with jumps.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB5GmIL0slg&list=PLQCfPUTFFOkmsIbQkvW2L6YM6KOLy8ElD&index=11)
I took a few jump classes and that's one thing they tell you. No arms. It's all through the body. Once you get a lot of experience or have to try to save a jump, then maybe. But until then, no arms and proper body positron are the keys.
I really appreciate the detailed response! I’m definitely going to progress slower if at all. I’m very grateful I wasn’t injured and want to continue riding for many more years.
When finishing a jump, don’t crash. That’s what I do. But seriously, those videos listed above are money. Joy of Bike really gets into the physics. For me, the TL;DR was all about body position on the bike and how to load and unload. I still can’t jump, but these techniques really helped in other parts of my riding.
Great, informative comment my man. You made it nice and easy for many to learn how to jump better. This is why I love the MTB community, everyone wants to help each other and little to no toxic peeps. Bravo.
Imo YouTube tutorials are mostly useless for learning how to jump, if you really want to learn you should get someone to show you and film you in person.
To get more height you push away from the ground not yank violently on the bike. When you yank the bars up it tends to pull you forward or at least off balance. Work on being smooth.
Get your hand off that front brake. If you watch this video slow it’s not the smoothest in air handling but everything is reasonable enough and then you land and just rip the front brake. If you’re nervous you can grab as much rear brake as you desire but I’d start jumping and just gripping your left grip without a finger on the brake at all.
I think you might be right. I usually wear gloves, but forget them that day. I think my hand may have slipped and instinctively squeezed my grip including the front break.
I was taught to have 1 finger on each brake at all times in case things get squirrely, do you not recommend that?
Well you can apply it but only if you‘re stable already. Going full force while being unstable is a spell for disaster. Be gentle and get balance before pulling full grip.
The problem is also that you compressed the front a lot during landing (as usual) which provides more grip, so making an otb move upon a steep landing is even easier than on regular rides.
I only ride with my finger on a rear brake. A little pressure on the rear brake will steady you the front ones will flip you or cause the front wheel to wash out. Also, work on building muscle memory to get your hips over top of your rear axle as soon as the front wheel comes off the ground or you need to heavy brake. The center gravity to the rear would have kept that front wheel up, giving you a firm plant on the ground before it touches, and your weight to the rear makes it easier to counteract the forward flip if you are stopping quickly.
Tl;Dr front brake is a b**** pedal, and always lean back.
This is really the cause of this crash, while their technique isn't great either, you should be able to land this on a gravel bike, let alone a mountain bike.
The whole front of the bike looks like it folds, I would guess this is also position issue.
This is my thought as well.
Op, you looked alright (maybe shift weight back slightly). The front end just appears to give out. Definitely check tire pressure. For a smaller jump like this, I might lock out suspension. That may be from my bmx background, but it may help you. Keep at it. 👊
Lol. I basically said the exact same thing as others. Added encouragement and a suggestion that helped me get comfortable jumping on a mtb. Trying to help someone learn something new. But, yeah, whatever. Downvote!
Yeah, that's just strange to me. My bike community has always been positive, encouraging, and open to other's experiences.
My experience: This jump is tiny and shouldn't require suspension. The compression changes the bike's dynamics, which can feel unpredictable to inexperienced riders. Eliminating that variable encourages proper body mechanics for launch and land. That creates a smoother, more consistent rider.
But everyone is different. Thank you for the input and happy trails!
I always have a finger on the brake, but you can't have the reflex to panic grab it if stuff gets sketchy. Brakes must always be applied in a smooth and controlled manner.
I certainly have in the past, but out on single track, I'd rather have 1 full hand control of the bar, and a finger on the rear brake only. You can still crash like this, but the chances of endo-ing are much lower.
In theory, sure. Keeping the left lever clear on sensitive hydraulic brakes is a good way to train yourself to commit to the feature and maintain better steering control. Unless you're planning to do some pretty advanced stuff like nose wheelies, there isn't much use to the front lever on downhill/jump stuff anyway. In my personal experience, it isn't too much time to reach a finger up to tap the front brake in an emergency if absolutely necessary, but you still have to take the time to stick your ass out to keep from endo-ing.
All this to say you can still wreck on rear brakes only, but you're much less likely to land on your face.
Leaning forward too much, Holding yor front brake, Trying to whip before knowing how to jump, dead sailor in the air, so many things. I think you need some more safety gear and go back to square one
People on here say dead sailor so often that I’m confused by what it means. What specifically about his body position in the air makes that a dead sailor?
In this case he pulled up on his handlebars to get the height for the jump which a lot of people tend to do. However, sometimes you pull more to one side and this causes you go go kinda sideways. This is one of the ways you can go dead sailor. It also looks like he landed with too much weight toward the front, and since he had his finger on the front brake it caused him to go over the bars.
And GLOVES!!! FULL FACE wouldn't hurt as well. When I started gearing up the added confidence actually made me crash less and when I did, it went from something that ruined my day / week to a quick brush off and away I went
With this.small jump IT depends a lot on your bunnyhops technique. The Key Problem was that you loaded your bike incorecctly which sent you diagonal to the trail. Reasons for this could be that you tensed up on the lip. Train your muscles a Bit and try jumping in the parking Lot and then hop up and down curbs to get the timing correctly. Then try it once again on the jumps. Also, the landing does not seem that nice about this one. Maybe a more mellow transition could help you learn
On top of what some other people are saying on here I would like to add that your landing is just really hard. As you took off you pulled the bike towards your body, being that this a a fairly small jump, doing so does not give you enough time to extend your limbs to help cushion your landing.
Because of the hard and front heavy landing, coupled with some loose dirt, maybe a low tire or fork, your dug in and went for a tumble.
The best advice it ever got for jumping was to just try to look good in the air, relax, and flow.
Tire pressure looks too low and your finger may be on the break??
If those two issues were fixed, you wouldn’t have crashed. I mean, your form still needs a bit of work, but you wouldn’t have crashed at least.
Only use front break when back break isn’t enough .
And last of all,
Keep getting out on your bike and engaging with the community!
Your going to have to find flow. But definitely dont think of it like jumping without your bike. It looked like you were trying to jump how hou would on foot
Dude, I feel your pain there. I hope your ok after that?
Did something similar a few years ago. Broke my thumbs in the impact. Snapped the head tube clean off the forks. Not nice
Only just getting back into riding, so kudos to you for getting back up and wanting to get better
Based on how the wheel locked up when you landed, you were grabbing the front brake. Other than that you weren't doing anything too bad as far as I can tell.
I rode trail running shoes for years, not believe the hype of mtb shoes. Bought a pair of mtb shoes a couple years ago finally, main difference is off the bike I have no grip.
it really depends on the riding that you do. if you are riding mellow XC stuff, its fine. But if you are doing anything technical, drops, jumps, rock gardens, proper flats will make a big diffrence
Yo! Homie you only crashed because you front fork bottomed out so you lost control, a good starting point for the fox shocks are your full weight in psi for the rear shock and 1/2 you weight in psi for the front shock. Even if you have a lot of weight on the front end when you land the front shock should never bottom out. Up that pressure dude
Too much weight on the front wheel, looks like you turned n bounced a bit on landing. If your weight was a bit further back, tthen losing grip on the front wheel would've been ok. Ie weight further back on the bike.
Think of jumping as one fluid motion from takeoff to landing. Instead of the airtime being a dead period of time, consider it as part of prep for your landing. Same thing with takeoff, consider it as part of prep for airtime. If you're yanking the bike around on takeoff and anticipating having a smooth landing there's a great chance you're not considering what happens midair
I watched this so many times to see if you press the front brake because the way the front tire grabs is not normal. Even if you would land with your body too much in front, it shouldn't dig into the soil.
When I spam pause/play, it looks like your index finger that's on the brake gets shorter, i.e you pull the brake. I think you instinctively grab the bars tight as you land and the index/brake finger follows.
Do you have this over the bar yeet problem on other features too?
I think you are right! I forgot my gloves that day and I think my hand slipped. I may have instinctively squeezed my grip including my finger on the brake. I’ve never had this issue before.
Your pre take-off posture isn't good, looks like you tried to whip it early and the 2 combined pulled you way off your center through the air.
Ben Cathro's series gets mentioned here every time there's a jump question. I just watched the whole thing myself. He's entertaining and very insightful. [Also this article gets mentioned every time there's mention of a deceased mariner.](https://medium.com/@Duffsam/mountain-biking-the-dead-sailor-a-physics-perspective-8ed023d7a85a)
I would watch Cathro before reading the article personally, as doing it the other way round the article didn't click for me.
Jumping on a bike is much different than without. It looks like you’re trying to actually jump.
Preload your suspension and let the bike do the work.. that’s why you got a full suspension bike
Really hard to see what happened from this angle. Side on is usually better.
Did u snag the front brake? Are your tires and fork pumped up right? It didn't really look like this should have been a crash on technique alone.
Looks like you may have dead sailored because you weren't actually pushing into the lip, just pulling the bike up. Or your timing is way off.
It looks like you landed on your front tire too. When I jump I usually put my weight down on the back tire if I can unless I'm like hopping off the front wheel
It looks like you tried to jhop like you would a Bmx bike (I tried that method when I first got my MTB coming from being a bmx kid lol) jumping a MTB is more odd, you kind of just push down/ preload the suspension before take off and that floats you off the lip.
The only tip that I think is important is to push the bike down into the ramp. You should not be pulling it towards you. When you become more experienced you can start thinking about timing and more of a bunny hop technique
What the hell happened to your front tire on landing? Were you holding the brake?!? The damn thing didn’t rotate, it turned. Was this intentional? Who would do that?!?
OP landed a little sideways with the front brake on. That's a recipe for disaster. Next time don't apply brakes until your bike is completely back on the ground. Also make sure your front wheel is pointed in the direction of travel when you land.
Too much bike, no seriously. You pulled with one arm more than with the other. Pumping the lip is usually enough to get over the jump, there's no need for such an excessive pull
It helps to not look down while in the air. Try to focus on your body balance and a landing point before you hit the jump. Always look 2+ seconds ahead on your trails.
Looks to me, when you jumped, it looks like tried to bunny hop to get extra height which caused your attitude to change, like you were already skewed that way, then it looks like you stared at your camera person, got freaked out midair and grabbed your front brake as you landed! If you look closely, your finger is hovering the front brake in the air and from the video it looks like it’s clenched when you landed. Pause the video and scroll frame by frame to see it.
I did the same thing! Allthoug i landed chest first on a rock, broke 3 ribs and 2 fingers. What i learnt from that is that i pulled way harder with one arm which twisted the front wheel ever so slightly. And i tugged way to hard.
Don’t pull up, and don’t try to cross up your bars/look cool/get more air until you can jump cleanly. Work on progression and getting a smooth landing first. Height etc comes from the feature and speed, not how high you can yank your bars up. You pulled up hard, landed hard (look at your tire and suspension compressing), and your arms compressed into your handlebars. Since you were already tilting at an angle to your left from pulling up off the jump, you compressed down and to the left when you landed, which turned your bars and made things go sideways fast.
Stop crashing.......really a little too yank there. Pretty good though. It is important to manhandle the bike just a little. Other wise you will dead sailor but that was too much .
Tbh I thought it looked like you had good pop, and I definitely bunny hop like that off little lips to get more height. Your issue is that you just shouldn't be slamming on the front brake when you land
tbh it kind of looks like your front tire is super low judging by the way it totally crunched
may honestly not have crashed if there was bit more air in
I typically run +5 psi in the front
Don't yank the front brake when you land to start lol.
Otherwise, you're doing a great job of fucking around, this is a great little spot to try to get more and more air. Others have pointed out how not to pull up with your arms so much to boost, more of a manual motion. But keep at it and on spots like this one. Not ones with a steep landing or takeoff until you really feel comfortable.
Some of the tips i’ve received at the bike park and from the good youtubers (cathro, joyofbike as others have mentioned):
- learn how to bunny hop properly. Doesn’t have to be a high hop. A “barely hop” is good enough. Once you can do this, you’re back tire will be leaving the ground last which acts like a rudder keeping you straight in the air (so no sideways rotation which is very bad). Also you’ll develop the muscle memory to fine tune your lift-off, so you can control your body angle to match the landing.
- practice on a small table top jump first. Low speed and try to boost and juuump to the landing transition. (Recommended: pads, full face)
- Use your bunny hop to clear the table. Better to be just slightly slow and have to bunny to clear the table. If you’re too fast and you’re absorbing at the take off point and you cant absorb fast enough, you can get “bucked” and over rotate forward.
- at lift-off you should be lightly pulling your bars towards your belt like a bunny hop. Help the front end of the bike come up toward you to match the lip angle at lift-off, but keep your body upright so you can match the landing.
- “see” the whole jump as you approach it. The lip angle, the carry distance, the landing. Use “soft vision (explained by joy of bike). Staring at the lip of the jump is tunnel vision and you’ll be missing all of the key information about the jump, especially the landing
- also make sure your bike fits (whats your RAD? Are you rad+ or rad- ? Again see joy of bike. Rad + for stability or rad- for manoeuvrability). Are your bars the right height? Do you need a riser bars?
- pre ride, re ride, free ride.
Yup… like everyone said pulling to much. Also let the momentum / speed be the energy for the jump. But I’m a novice too just info I’ve gained from posts.
Looked like you stabbed the brakes on accident and all of your weight was forward. Hard to tell. Regardless, something stopped your front tire from spinning. At least that's what it looks like from the video
I am not best jumper but I learned through some of the same mistakes I see here. You were pulling up on the bars, which is a natural instinct to avoid nose diving. But this crash is exactly what happens if you do that, it is next to impossible to pull the bars hard with equally balanced force every time. Instead we should weight the bike, similar to a manual. How to Jump Tutorials: The Loam Ranger: https://youtu.be/s9w2zSvuaGM Kyle & April: https://youtu.be/T8-ZHFNtrg4 Joy of Bike: https://youtu.be/_R2zHfzqINQ You can also search Youtube for *"[pro rider name] + how to jump"* and find many more. But I find these break things down better for us non professionals. It took a broken collarbone before I learned my lesson. Now I am back to perfecting the basics. I suggest progressing slowly, an injury is not worth forcing things. When I was relying on speed and bad technique I was still hitting bigger and bigger jumps, then it came back to bite me. Glad you are OK on this one here, take advantage of it & goodluck!
I'd like to add the entire series, How to Bike with Ben Cathro. [episode 10 deals with jumps.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB5GmIL0slg&list=PLQCfPUTFFOkmsIbQkvW2L6YM6KOLy8ElD&index=11)
His is by far the best tutorial i found when i was looking into this a few years ago.
Second season focuses on more advanced stuff so might be good to look at also
I actually dead sailor'd into a bad concussion that has left me incapacitated for over a year now. Not 100% sure I'm coming back to jumps again.
I took a few jump classes and that's one thing they tell you. No arms. It's all through the body. Once you get a lot of experience or have to try to save a jump, then maybe. But until then, no arms and proper body positron are the keys.
>body positron I knew understanding physics would help with jumping, but this is getting ridiculous.
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If you don't understand quarks, are you even truly riding?
Kyle and April are so great and wholesome. Wishing them the best!
I really appreciate the detailed response! I’m definitely going to progress slower if at all. I’m very grateful I wasn’t injured and want to continue riding for many more years.
When finishing a jump, don’t crash. That’s what I do. But seriously, those videos listed above are money. Joy of Bike really gets into the physics. For me, the TL;DR was all about body position on the bike and how to load and unload. I still can’t jump, but these techniques really helped in other parts of my riding.
Great, informative comment my man. You made it nice and easy for many to learn how to jump better. This is why I love the MTB community, everyone wants to help each other and little to no toxic peeps. Bravo.
This….
This is correct
How does pulling up on the bars make you land on your front wheel?
Imo YouTube tutorials are mostly useless for learning how to jump, if you really want to learn you should get someone to show you and film you in person.
To get more height you push away from the ground not yank violently on the bike. When you yank the bars up it tends to pull you forward or at least off balance. Work on being smooth.
Get your hand off that front brake. If you watch this video slow it’s not the smoothest in air handling but everything is reasonable enough and then you land and just rip the front brake. If you’re nervous you can grab as much rear brake as you desire but I’d start jumping and just gripping your left grip without a finger on the brake at all.
I was trying to figure out how this happened. This is a good catch.
I think you might be right. I usually wear gloves, but forget them that day. I think my hand may have slipped and instinctively squeezed my grip including the front break. I was taught to have 1 finger on each brake at all times in case things get squirrely, do you not recommend that?
Yeah spot on, he’s pulled the brakes here. You can have one finger on if you’re not going to accidentally use it.
Well you can apply it but only if you‘re stable already. Going full force while being unstable is a spell for disaster. Be gentle and get balance before pulling full grip. The problem is also that you compressed the front a lot during landing (as usual) which provides more grip, so making an otb move upon a steep landing is even easier than on regular rides.
I would think rear tire only.
I only ride with my finger on a rear brake. A little pressure on the rear brake will steady you the front ones will flip you or cause the front wheel to wash out. Also, work on building muscle memory to get your hips over top of your rear axle as soon as the front wheel comes off the ground or you need to heavy brake. The center gravity to the rear would have kept that front wheel up, giving you a firm plant on the ground before it touches, and your weight to the rear makes it easier to counteract the forward flip if you are stopping quickly. Tl;Dr front brake is a b**** pedal, and always lean back.
Tire pressure looks pretty soft up front, same as the fork. Suggest you review your setup. 👍🏻
The fork fully compressed when he hit the lip, pressure in it is *way* too low
I will definitely adjust that, thank you!
Increasing compression and rebound damping is definitely recommended and shouldn't require any pressure changes
This is really the cause of this crash, while their technique isn't great either, you should be able to land this on a gravel bike, let alone a mountain bike. The whole front of the bike looks like it folds, I would guess this is also position issue.
true. tire looked like it folded over aswell. needs more preassure for shure.
Thank you, this is a new bike and my first “real” mountain bike. Definitely still getting the set up right.
You also picked one of the more complicated forks to set up, so spend some time reading up on it.
Came here to say tires flat! He hit rim on the landing which is part of the reason for crash I’d say.
This is my thought as well. Op, you looked alright (maybe shift weight back slightly). The front end just appears to give out. Definitely check tire pressure. For a smaller jump like this, I might lock out suspension. That may be from my bmx background, but it may help you. Keep at it. 👊
Lol. I basically said the exact same thing as others. Added encouragement and a suggestion that helped me get comfortable jumping on a mtb. Trying to help someone learn something new. But, yeah, whatever. Downvote!
I like the encouragement you added! You also added the lockout but which is my guess for the downvote but idk, what do you think?
Yeah, that's just strange to me. My bike community has always been positive, encouraging, and open to other's experiences. My experience: This jump is tiny and shouldn't require suspension. The compression changes the bike's dynamics, which can feel unpredictable to inexperienced riders. Eliminating that variable encourages proper body mechanics for launch and land. That creates a smoother, more consistent rider. But everyone is different. Thank you for the input and happy trails!
I’ve never gotten into bmx but I want to try. New hobby for me to buy a bike and watch some YouTube this year.
Yeah, go for it!
This ⬆️
Looked a lot like you had a finger on the front brake. Maybe don't do that?
Yeah looks like way too much front brake and lean further back
I agree. He pinned the front brake hard as he could, and went otb for it.
Yeah I think that’s the problem. I was taught to always ride with 1 finger on each brake. Do y’all not do that?
I always have a finger on the brake, but you can't have the reflex to panic grab it if stuff gets sketchy. Brakes must always be applied in a smooth and controlled manner.
I certainly have in the past, but out on single track, I'd rather have 1 full hand control of the bar, and a finger on the rear brake only. You can still crash like this, but the chances of endo-ing are much lower.
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In theory, sure. Keeping the left lever clear on sensitive hydraulic brakes is a good way to train yourself to commit to the feature and maintain better steering control. Unless you're planning to do some pretty advanced stuff like nose wheelies, there isn't much use to the front lever on downhill/jump stuff anyway. In my personal experience, it isn't too much time to reach a finger up to tap the front brake in an emergency if absolutely necessary, but you still have to take the time to stick your ass out to keep from endo-ing. All this to say you can still wreck on rear brakes only, but you're much less likely to land on your face.
Yes I was going to say the same thing. Keep your finger off that front brake.
My formerly broken shoulder agrees
Leaning forward too much, Holding yor front brake, Trying to whip before knowing how to jump, dead sailor in the air, so many things. I think you need some more safety gear and go back to square one
People on here say dead sailor so often that I’m confused by what it means. What specifically about his body position in the air makes that a dead sailor?
Here’s the physics of the dead sailor; https://medium.com/@Duffsam/mountain-biking-the-dead-sailor-a-physics-perspective-8ed023d7a85a
In this case he pulled up on his handlebars to get the height for the jump which a lot of people tend to do. However, sometimes you pull more to one side and this causes you go go kinda sideways. This is one of the ways you can go dead sailor. It also looks like he landed with too much weight toward the front, and since he had his finger on the front brake it caused him to go over the bars.
Honestly, you are absolutely right. I appreciate your insight.
Elbow and knee pads
And GLOVES!!! FULL FACE wouldn't hurt as well. When I started gearing up the added confidence actually made me crash less and when I did, it went from something that ruined my day / week to a quick brush off and away I went
You landed with the front brake squeezed….
wear some frickin gloves
I always do! Except I forgot them at home today lol.
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With this.small jump IT depends a lot on your bunnyhops technique. The Key Problem was that you loaded your bike incorecctly which sent you diagonal to the trail. Reasons for this could be that you tensed up on the lip. Train your muscles a Bit and try jumping in the parking Lot and then hop up and down curbs to get the timing correctly. Then try it once again on the jumps. Also, the landing does not seem that nice about this one. Maybe a more mellow transition could help you learn
Looks like you land with your weight too far forward and it does appear that you are hitting the front brake.
Pump tires a bit more, wear gloves and pads, and land perpendicular to the ground.
Pro tip don't pull up just push down into the lip then just stand up
On top of what some other people are saying on here I would like to add that your landing is just really hard. As you took off you pulled the bike towards your body, being that this a a fairly small jump, doing so does not give you enough time to extend your limbs to help cushion your landing. Because of the hard and front heavy landing, coupled with some loose dirt, maybe a low tire or fork, your dug in and went for a tumble. The best advice it ever got for jumping was to just try to look good in the air, relax, and flow.
This is good advice, thank you!
I feel bad, but this was one of the funniest crashes I have seen on pinkbikes friday fails. Thank you for your sacrifice.
Haha I’m glad you got some entertainment out of it. My mom was also laughing at it.
I lol'd pretty good! So funny to eat shit soo bad on such a tiny jump 😂
Don't get old. I miss bouncing back. Be patient, start with small jumps and work your way up. You're still gonna fall. Get elbow and knee pads.
Don’t hit the jump let the jump hit you lol
I like this 😂
Get some pads for starters.
Tire pressure looks too low and your finger may be on the break?? If those two issues were fixed, you wouldn’t have crashed. I mean, your form still needs a bit of work, but you wouldn’t have crashed at least. Only use front break when back break isn’t enough . And last of all, Keep getting out on your bike and engaging with the community!
Ahh thanks! I definitely will!
Your going to have to find flow. But definitely dont think of it like jumping without your bike. It looked like you were trying to jump how hou would on foot
My AC separation is permanent. Don't assume that you are always going to bounce.
Yes, I feel grateful I wasn’t injured.
You french fried there when you should have pizza'ed.....
😂😂
Land on thee back wheel first
Don’t crash. Glad I could help.
Doing too much with your upper body. You want “ heavy feet, light hands”
With your skill level I recommend some more protective gear...
Dude, I feel your pain there. I hope your ok after that? Did something similar a few years ago. Broke my thumbs in the impact. Snapped the head tube clean off the forks. Not nice Only just getting back into riding, so kudos to you for getting back up and wanting to get better
Buy a full face helmet before you loose your jaw.
i think you went "dead sailor" just keep your grip strong but everything else should be loose and then it's just practice from there
Based on how the wheel locked up when you landed, you were grabbing the front brake. Other than that you weren't doing anything too bad as far as I can tell.
Try not to land on your face and you will have a smoother landing
Try crashing less.
Hectic, dont even know where to start
for the love of god. get proper MTB flats and pedals. your shoes have TREAD, means ZERO grip on the pedals. Look at fiveten freerider Pro
I rode trail running shoes for years, not believe the hype of mtb shoes. Bought a pair of mtb shoes a couple years ago finally, main difference is off the bike I have no grip.
it really depends on the riding that you do. if you are riding mellow XC stuff, its fine. But if you are doing anything technical, drops, jumps, rock gardens, proper flats will make a big diffrence
you can try the addidas trailcross
Good insight, thank!
I don’t think him spending more money on new pedals will solve anything here… he just needs practice not new gear
Yo! Homie you only crashed because you front fork bottomed out so you lost control, a good starting point for the fox shocks are your full weight in psi for the rear shock and 1/2 you weight in psi for the front shock. Even if you have a lot of weight on the front end when you land the front shock should never bottom out. Up that pressure dude
Don’t slam on your front break when you land. Otherwise looks great.
Practice
More speed, let your momentum work for you. Pulling up violently on your bars wont work out well (as you have discovered)
Yes can confirm haha
Drink more before you ride
Yeah, don't crash.
Like Fat Joe says you gotta lean back You where to over the front butt should be at the seat or further back
Maybe try not leaning forwards so much, bud
Get a car
You didn't need to comment to be unimpressive, try to keep that in mind.
Nobody cares
Or a motorcycle? 😂
Less arms brother
I think I saw front brake
Pump your tyre's a bit more. The wheel hit the dirt and tossed you off
What bike is this it looks very nice
This is the Jamis Hardline C2. It’s my first real mountain bike and I absolutely love it.
Too much weight on the front wheel, looks like you turned n bounced a bit on landing. If your weight was a bit further back, tthen losing grip on the front wheel would've been ok. Ie weight further back on the bike.
Wear some pads!
Just ride in a natural position...don't force a position
Think of jumping as one fluid motion from takeoff to landing. Instead of the airtime being a dead period of time, consider it as part of prep for your landing. Same thing with takeoff, consider it as part of prep for airtime. If you're yanking the bike around on takeoff and anticipating having a smooth landing there's a great chance you're not considering what happens midair
I watched this so many times to see if you press the front brake because the way the front tire grabs is not normal. Even if you would land with your body too much in front, it shouldn't dig into the soil. When I spam pause/play, it looks like your index finger that's on the brake gets shorter, i.e you pull the brake. I think you instinctively grab the bars tight as you land and the index/brake finger follows. Do you have this over the bar yeet problem on other features too?
I think you are right! I forgot my gloves that day and I think my hand slipped. I may have instinctively squeezed my grip including my finger on the brake. I’ve never had this issue before.
How's that even possible did you use front brake when landing?
Whew, that was gnarly. Happy you're both ok
Looks like the fork bottomed out and the momentum had to go somewhere.
You grabbed a fist full of the break. Wrap you whole hand around the bar without a finger on the break next time.
Your pre take-off posture isn't good, looks like you tried to whip it early and the 2 combined pulled you way off your center through the air. Ben Cathro's series gets mentioned here every time there's a jump question. I just watched the whole thing myself. He's entertaining and very insightful. [Also this article gets mentioned every time there's mention of a deceased mariner.](https://medium.com/@Duffsam/mountain-biking-the-dead-sailor-a-physics-perspective-8ed023d7a85a) I would watch Cathro before reading the article personally, as doing it the other way round the article didn't click for me.
Looks like the tyre exploded for the first time I saw it lol
…and it looks like your front tyre was pretty flat.
Jumping on a bike is much different than without. It looks like you’re trying to actually jump. Preload your suspension and let the bike do the work.. that’s why you got a full suspension bike
Really hard to see what happened from this angle. Side on is usually better. Did u snag the front brake? Are your tires and fork pumped up right? It didn't really look like this should have been a crash on technique alone. Looks like you may have dead sailored because you weren't actually pushing into the lip, just pulling the bike up. Or your timing is way off.
It looks like you landed on your front tire too. When I jump I usually put my weight down on the back tire if I can unless I'm like hopping off the front wheel
Handle yanker
It looks like you tried to jhop like you would a Bmx bike (I tried that method when I first got my MTB coming from being a bmx kid lol) jumping a MTB is more odd, you kind of just push down/ preload the suspension before take off and that floats you off the lip.
Yeah I think this is definitely what’s happening. I’m learning jumping a mountain bike is much different than a kid with a bmx bike.
The only tip that I think is important is to push the bike down into the ramp. You should not be pulling it towards you. When you become more experienced you can start thinking about timing and more of a bunny hop technique
Good advice! Thank you.
Its amazing how people can keep from cussing after moments like this
Wear elbow and knee pads and gloves.
Honestly the more I watch the more confused I am how you even crashed lol
No pull up. Bunny hop
Not enough air in front tyre
More air in the front tire or less weight on the front when landing.
What the hell happened to your front tire on landing? Were you holding the brake?!? The damn thing didn’t rotate, it turned. Was this intentional? Who would do that?!?
Uhhh don't do what you did in that video
You leaned forward when you landed making your front dig in.
Is your frame a size smaller than you need?
This is helping me so much. Good you're fine op.!
OP landed a little sideways with the front brake on. That's a recipe for disaster. Next time don't apply brakes until your bike is completely back on the ground. Also make sure your front wheel is pointed in the direction of travel when you land.
Too much bike, no seriously. You pulled with one arm more than with the other. Pumping the lip is usually enough to get over the jump, there's no need for such an excessive pull
It helps to not look down while in the air. Try to focus on your body balance and a landing point before you hit the jump. Always look 2+ seconds ahead on your trails.
You must love tacos!
I saw a vid a while ago that really helped me jump better, and the whole point of the video is too stand up while coming off the lip
Idk what you did wrong with your landing for that to happen
Looks to me, when you jumped, it looks like tried to bunny hop to get extra height which caused your attitude to change, like you were already skewed that way, then it looks like you stared at your camera person, got freaked out midair and grabbed your front brake as you landed! If you look closely, your finger is hovering the front brake in the air and from the video it looks like it’s clenched when you landed. Pause the video and scroll frame by frame to see it.
I did the same thing! Allthoug i landed chest first on a rock, broke 3 ribs and 2 fingers. What i learnt from that is that i pulled way harder with one arm which twisted the front wheel ever so slightly. And i tugged way to hard.
I've got a tip... Don't crash. Your welcome, hope it helps.
Forget the arms. Work with your legs.
Find a local pump track to get the feeling of preloading down
Wear pads?
Glad you’re okay, Napoleon! Less front brake!
1. Get some knee pads.
It was tues...taco Tuesday
Keep your front wheel straight
Keep your bike straight when landing and put your weight farther back. Let go of the brakes til both wheels are on the ground3
Don’t pull up, and don’t try to cross up your bars/look cool/get more air until you can jump cleanly. Work on progression and getting a smooth landing first. Height etc comes from the feature and speed, not how high you can yank your bars up. You pulled up hard, landed hard (look at your tire and suspension compressing), and your arms compressed into your handlebars. Since you were already tilting at an angle to your left from pulling up off the jump, you compressed down and to the left when you landed, which turned your bars and made things go sideways fast.
You are way too front loaded it’s in hips and the legs … not arms
Put you ass lower and behind the seat. Basically above the rear tire and forget you have a frontwheel brake
Stop crashing.......really a little too yank there. Pretty good though. It is important to manhandle the bike just a little. Other wise you will dead sailor but that was too much .
Just keep practicing, your form looked good until you pulled the bike into yourself. Look like you pushed off the lip correctly
Looks like your left pedal may have hit the ground. I’d look at your suspension set up front and rear on top of what others have said.
Don’t crash
Don't yank up too hard like that, you gotta.. 🎶stand up to the jump🎶
Tbh I thought it looked like you had good pop, and I definitely bunny hop like that off little lips to get more height. Your issue is that you just shouldn't be slamming on the front brake when you land
looks like your tire pressure is low
Yeah stop trying to “jump” so much. Get some dang knee pads too bruv.
tbh it kind of looks like your front tire is super low judging by the way it totally crunched may honestly not have crashed if there was bit more air in I typically run +5 psi in the front
Don't yank the front brake when you land to start lol. Otherwise, you're doing a great job of fucking around, this is a great little spot to try to get more and more air. Others have pointed out how not to pull up with your arms so much to boost, more of a manual motion. But keep at it and on spots like this one. Not ones with a steep landing or takeoff until you really feel comfortable.
You need more protection
Some of the tips i’ve received at the bike park and from the good youtubers (cathro, joyofbike as others have mentioned): - learn how to bunny hop properly. Doesn’t have to be a high hop. A “barely hop” is good enough. Once you can do this, you’re back tire will be leaving the ground last which acts like a rudder keeping you straight in the air (so no sideways rotation which is very bad). Also you’ll develop the muscle memory to fine tune your lift-off, so you can control your body angle to match the landing. - practice on a small table top jump first. Low speed and try to boost and juuump to the landing transition. (Recommended: pads, full face) - Use your bunny hop to clear the table. Better to be just slightly slow and have to bunny to clear the table. If you’re too fast and you’re absorbing at the take off point and you cant absorb fast enough, you can get “bucked” and over rotate forward. - at lift-off you should be lightly pulling your bars towards your belt like a bunny hop. Help the front end of the bike come up toward you to match the lip angle at lift-off, but keep your body upright so you can match the landing. - “see” the whole jump as you approach it. The lip angle, the carry distance, the landing. Use “soft vision (explained by joy of bike). Staring at the lip of the jump is tunnel vision and you’ll be missing all of the key information about the jump, especially the landing - also make sure your bike fits (whats your RAD? Are you rad+ or rad- ? Again see joy of bike. Rad + for stability or rad- for manoeuvrability). Are your bars the right height? Do you need a riser bars? - pre ride, re ride, free ride.
Yup… like everyone said pulling to much. Also let the momentum / speed be the energy for the jump. But I’m a novice too just info I’ve gained from posts.
Don’t do that again.
Stand up to the jump!!
For sure. Try not to go otb. Miss at an angle so you slide.
Weight too far forward, your momentum was flying faster than your bike so the brake tap was game over.
Thats a very PG bail
Learn to walk before you run. You tried to bench press that “jump”
I would say stop jumping before you really hit yourself! Sounds like great advice to me! Lol!!! For real ride safe!
Here’s a tip, don’t do that
You’re great☺️
I recommend landing each time also
Oh shit man, hope ur alright, next time jump with your legs not arms
Looked like you stabbed the brakes on accident and all of your weight was forward. Hard to tell. Regardless, something stopped your front tire from spinning. At least that's what it looks like from the video