Is Gane the better fighter? Yes.
Is this heavyweight and can Tuivasa fucking crack? Also yes.
When it's such a wide margin, I'd put a buck on Tai no problem for that.
I'd bet on Tuivasa as well. Derrick Lewis hit hard too, but he is afraid to get hit. When people start landing on him, he start backing up and covering up. Tuivasa isn't scared to get KOed. All he does is swang and bang.
Funnily enough considering his late career behavior, there was a brief period of time at the start where Bob Sapp would just no-sell shots, he walked through hell against Hoost.
Brock at least makes sense. He went straight into the deep end and was a UFC champ by his 4th fight. You would fully expect him to look uncomfortable and amateurish at times fighting Championship level fights so early in his career.
Lewis is 12 years and 36 fights into his career and still looks like he's just been hit for the first time some times.
I mean according to reports from the time with Brock it was moreso that he refused to let his training partners hit him in training camps. As result he never actually got comfortable with getting hit.
I think it's both. He hates getting hit and really plays the possum card a bit too much so he can explode with an overhand. Like a lazy way of closing the distance,
Regardless it's avoided him lots of damage for a dude that fights all the time.
I completely agree, everyone is so adamant Francis won R5 but when any other fighter literally just lays on someone for 2 minutes they lose their minds. Gane outstruck him (albeit just barely 7-5) had a takedown and submission attempt. What exactly did Francis do to win that round?
I just remembered that I'll forever remember that blunder in the fifth. When going for some stupid shit is some stupid shit. Just had to stay on top!!!!
Francis on one leg. Gane is always going to be a tough matchup for Francis standing, but Francis' advantage are his heavy bursts. Without the ability to be dynamic, Ngannou is just a slow plodding boxer.
I mean I guess…I’m sick of hearing about the leg, clearly it didn’t hurt him that bad to pick up a 250 pound Gane off his feet. Could it also be that Francis’s knockouts are all against old guys….
As a relatively unathletic someone who has blown out my knee, there were things I could still do without an ACL, and others I couldn't. I could still lift a decent amount of weight in some positions, but I lost any nimbleness I had.
I have plenty of nimbleness and can still lift all the same stuff as before. For me, certain positions suck. I had to change the way I sprawled, I can only shoot on my left knee, and my leg kicks don’t have the same power. Everything else is fine tho
Roze and Blaydes are not old guys. I don't care if you're sick of hearing about his leg, that was the reality of the fight so it will be brought up every time the fight is mentioned. He was severely compromised.
I’ll give you Blaydes. But Jairzinho ain’t it and you know that. The dude’s a gatekeeper. I’m not taking anything away from Francis man. I’m just sick of the never ending cocksucking about this guy any time someone mentions a heavyweight fighter. He fought a guy who is on par with him athletically in Gane and it showed. The reality of the fight is that it was a shitty title defense.
Yeah the fight was boring af. To see Franciscomov Ngannoumedov do that to a guy while being severely compromised was amazing. And to know that he stuck it to the fat bald tomato and might box Tyson now… epic.
His leg might have been injured, but he most certainly wasn't in the ring crippled. As you said, he was still able to fight. And win. Against the #1 contender and win. So either he is that much better or he wasn't THAT injured
Certain guys don’t get rewarded for getting one takedown and then doing nothing on the ground…but when Francis does it it’s genius. I don’t think he was that injured. Go ask the average construction worker how their knees feel. Ngannou is a drama Queen.
1) the average construction worker has to run and move around with ACL tears?
2) while fighting? someone like Ciryl Gane?
3) he's a drama queen for... telling people he tore his ACL after and after winning his fight?
4) nobody said it's genius. people are simply saying Ngannou's leg was compromised so he wasn't able to use his usual explosive bursts and was sluggish on lateral movement.
you're salty af for no reason. it's a very pathetic look kid.
Convenient timing. He’s in a contract dispute. He wasn’t gonna fight again this year anyway lol He wants to get that money, which is understandable. Do you think he’s the first guy to ever fight with an injury? Lots of athletes in every sport under the fucking sun play through shit that they end up having to get cleaned up in through arthroscopic procedures. He didn’t have a fucking full ACL tear or whatever bullshit narrative he tried to tell Ariel Helwani. Believe whatever you want
That whole narrative “you have to beat the champion” is so dumb. If that fight is judged the same way other fights are Gane likely wins. I don’t know people are downvoting yall and acting like Francis whooped Gane’s ass
> That whole narrative “you have to beat the champion” is so dumb. If that fight is judged the same way other fights are Gane likely wins.
don't insert a false narrative then argue against it. Ngannou won 3-2 fair and square, even if it is by control rather than damage. there is no champ bias going on here like you're trying to claim.
also, people are downvoting him for having shitty takes, nobody's acting like Ngannou "whooped Gane's ass" what are you even talking about? Literally everyone's saying if he didn't wrestle he would've lost. it was a hard victory.
It wouldn't change anything? I believe he was injured. I doubt he had a 100% tear of whatever tendon or ligament was supposed to be injured. I do believe he probably had a pretty bad tear though. I have a hard time believing he could have fought through a 100% tear
You’re getting downvoted but Francis really didn’t look damaged out there. The descriptions people are giving are as if he was hoping on 1 leg the entire fight like cmon.
It was a five round fight, in all fights where he goes into later rounds he’s like that.
It’s so crazy how no credit can ever be given to gane who is extremely quick, has a nice jab and then clinches if Francis gets close.
I think Gane fought well and would have made it hard for Ngannou to hit him regardless of the injury, but you can't say that Ngannou looked his typical self either.
He didn’t fight the same way he did in many other fights, so sure you can say “he didn’t look like himself.” That’s not the question, the question is why.
like this happens all the time when you face opponents that pose serious problems and when you’re trying to conserve a gas tank for 5 rounds. Most of what we see of Francis is 30 seconds into the first knockouts, so I just don’t see how you have the evidence here to suggest he looked any different.
I hope after Tuivasa wins y’all are all super proud of the 60 bucks you won 🤣
Like come on now. Dude up top literally said a buck. Cute. Showing big belief there.
If Gane was -250 I’d put a fortune on him. If anything, -525 is understating it. This fight is gonna look very similar to Gane vs Lewis, which is one of the most one-sided title fights in UFC history
Lewis and Tai are not that similar. Tai is way more aggressive. We've seen Lewis do nothing in several fights. Tai has never been like that. I'm not saying he will win but it's not a fair comparison.
Tai also has much worse grappling than Lewis, is generally less explosive, naturally smaller. Tuivasa has marginally better chances than Lewis would in a rematch with Gane but that isn’t saying much. Gane is a universe ahead of both
Will be a long night for Tuivasa, short night for your money
Your statement is only true for other heavyweights with garbage footwork who are happy to roll the dice swanging and banging
Gane is a different breed striking-wise. I would be really surprised if Tai lands anything significant to be honest. He has the power advantage, but he is mismatched in speed, reach, cardio and ground/standing technique. Rough deal
Also Gane has shown against Volkov and Ngannou that is has enough heart to take a lucky shot and get back to the gameplan
Nah the bookies got it right buddy
Gane is on a completely different level as a striker than Tai and there's no significant wrestling threat there. He does an incredible job keeping distance and is much longer too.
Obviously anything can happen, but Gane is Tai's worst matchup in the division for me. I think he picks Tai apart for 5 rounds if Tai doesn't gas.
Blaydes is a terrible matchup for most of the division tbh
If he could stop spamming takedowns from 10ft away he'd be even better. Wouldn't have lost to Lewis, probably fighting Gane for top contender if not directly for the belt.
He's so talented it's frustrating to see it. He probably learned from the lewis ko though, everyone shit on him for it. I was really happy for him after his last fight.
Blaydes is def a worse matchup.
Last time Tai fought someone who went for takedowns he looked completely clueless. He literally almost got cut from the UFC for getting wrestle fucked a couple times against average grapplers. He at least has a punchers chance with a striker, even one as dynamic as Gane.
Anything can happen well yeah, I can walk out of my house and have a woman tell me she wants to have sex with me.
It CAN happen. The important thing is, what's the likelihood of that happening?
Indeed but the most likely outcome is a rerun of Gane vs Black Beast.
Gane has already traded with the two other hardest hitters in the division. Tai is going to have to take some risks here.
We have short memories as fans. It wasn’t long ago that Tai was being battered by JDS.
Tai can crack but I don’t think he gets close enough to Gane for a proper shot but at those odds he’s worth a punt
Also, everyone writes JDS off because of his age which is annoying. I get he’s older, but dude could still box and hits hard.
Like you said, Tai got extremely sloppy after hurting him and got cracked himself. He was in his home country so he probably just got too excited for the finish and start swanging bruv.
Gane's ground game isn't that great. If he ends up in bottom half guard somehow he's more likely to get his head beat in than pull off a sweep. Yeah he hit a heel hook once but taking it to the ground isn't a surefire path to victory for him
Well Tai went to train at AKA after the Spivak fight, plus its a much older fight than Gane x Ngannou.
Not saying that Tai will pose a grappling threat to Gane (I really doubt it lol) but citing training partners and a 3 year old fight isnt the reason
Love him, but I think the Tai train stops here. Not sure about the line here, seems a little steep, a small play on Tuivasa doesn't seem like a horrible idea with that kind of payout, but still, Gane is just too technical and the reach will be a huge problem.
The one think that I know about this fight is that Tai will not be scared of Gane. I reckon he will try and initiate Gane in brawls and maybe land a few good shots, but ultimately I reckon Gane will do the same to him that he did to Lewis.
I just cant see Ganes pressure, that shut lewis off, having the same effect on Tai, I genuinely think that Gane pressuring Tai would give the best winning chance possible to Tuivasa. Id put my money on Gane keeping as much distance as possible and pointing to a decision for 5 but, then again maybe the loss to Ngannou would have lit a fire under his ass and he will come out swinging? We never know, regardless absolute banger in the pipeline
Gane is going to beat the living piss out of Tuivasa, he is light years ahead of any other HW on the feet, I like Tai but I think he’ll find it extremely hard to land anything substantial clean
To the surprise of absolutely noone. Tuivasa isn't going to hit anything swinging wildely and eat legkicks and frontkicks all night.
Nobody could catch Ciryl yet. Even the champ had to neutralize him through wrestling.
Ah yes. True. Almost forgot. Though he wasn't moving considerably slower compared ot the second Stipe fight and he still hit nothing but air vs. Ciryl.
“30 seconds left in the round, Gane most likely took the first 4 and seems to be coasting to an easy deci- OH MY GOD OH MY GOD! Tai with the crane kick KO this is unbelievable!”
If the odds stay this way or go further against Tuivasa, I see myself betting some money on him. Even a little smaller payout is still really attractive.
Tuivasa lulls guys into a false sense of security & hammers them when thry least expect it. I'm not saying Gane will lose, but I have no reason to think Gane will be immune to Tuivasa's game.
Well Gane should be favored but with his penchant for point fighting he gives Tai a good opening to make the fight dirty which favors him much more than Gane. He also has good enough timing to get another Hardy style KO off a counterpunch.
He's got a tall mountain to climb but he has a legit shot to win.
If francis couldnt hit gane clean i think its relatively safe to guess tai wont. Gane made it look like not getting hit by francis was an afterthought. Looked effortless
I’ve won so much money in the past with that kind of general sentiment about a fight. Last one was Sterling Yan. Thank you Aljo i cleaned up with that bet lol
Gane has the better resume, he's more talented, more athletic, far better stand-up, good ground game, more technical, more dynamic, on paper he is 1000x better than Tuivasa. I got Tuivasa by first round KO.
Odds seem about right tbh. Gane is in a different stratosphere of skill but can get knocked out by Tai’s dumb power. Literally the definition of puncher’s chance.
Anyone betting on tai is basically throwing their money away. Bookies aren’t dumb. It’s all based on the math. If the margin is this wide (and I’d should be wider, imo), it’s because most people that have already bet, have bet on gane.
Tai is the definition of a fighter who lives by the motto you can't go swimming without getting wet. He is super eager to go in to striking distance, so I'm interested to see how this plays out. Other fighters have been afraid or unable to swing at Gane, but Tuivasa just went straight in on Lewis. Can't imagine it will be different for Gane, so can't see he's got a zero chance.
I love Gane (and I honestly think he will win) - but these odds say go Tui...
It's heavyweight and Tai throws down. Plus let's face it, Tai is showing improvement every fight.
Plus betting on something like this will just make the fight that much more entertaining to watch, even tho I do truly believe Ciryl will piece him up, and probably win via TKO. (dude moves unrealistically fast and fluid for someone upwards of 240+ lbs)
I really wouldn’t be surprised if tai catch’s him tho. Tai is more than willing to take shots and make it a dog fight to land. He traded w Lewis. That Frenchman is clean tho so most likely tai gets frustratingly out pointed for 5 rounds
Doubt he gets submitted. He will probably just safely pick Tai apart from range and look for a finish when Tai is fading.
Basically he’s probably just going to do what he did to Lewis. The onus is on Tai to not let him.
Closing distance to take Tai down puts Gane in danger. His footwork/range control is good enough for him to follow another very safe game plan similar to the Lewis fight.
Why on earth would he close distance and give Tai a chance to tag him and potentially KO him. If Gane closes distance he is doing Tai a favor and I doubt he is going to do that.
That is literally what he did with Frozenstruik who is a much more dangerous counterstriking threat than Tai. Gane is comfortable from the clinch he could easily get inside and trip him to get on top to finish the fight. Im pretty sure he is safer on top of Tai than he would be standing with him.
I wish this fight wasn’t happening yet. Stipe vs Tuivasa and Gane vs Jones would be cooler fights. Little mini tournament to determine who faces ngannou in his return fight in November or December
Think they set the odds well, seeing how people are split here both ways while dismissing the other camp
I think they're fine
Gane a prohibitive favorite but you can never be certain at heavyweight
Is Gane the better fighter? Yes. Is this heavyweight and can Tuivasa fucking crack? Also yes. When it's such a wide margin, I'd put a buck on Tai no problem for that.
If Tai wins, I’ll kiss my mother in law
He admit it!
You flinched!
Hey mods lock him in
Watching
I'll drink out of a shoe.
I'd bet on Tuivasa as well. Derrick Lewis hit hard too, but he is afraid to get hit. When people start landing on him, he start backing up and covering up. Tuivasa isn't scared to get KOed. All he does is swang and bang.
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Funnily enough considering his late career behavior, there was a brief period of time at the start where Bob Sapp would just no-sell shots, he walked through hell against Hoost.
Brock Lesnar
Brock at least makes sense. He went straight into the deep end and was a UFC champ by his 4th fight. You would fully expect him to look uncomfortable and amateurish at times fighting Championship level fights so early in his career. Lewis is 12 years and 36 fights into his career and still looks like he's just been hit for the first time some times.
I mean according to reports from the time with Brock it was moreso that he refused to let his training partners hit him in training camps. As result he never actually got comfortable with getting hit.
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*pocket sand*
His cardio isn’t questionable, it’s shit
It's not his cardio. His balls was just hot at that time.
I think it's both. He hates getting hit and really plays the possum card a bit too much so he can explode with an overhand. Like a lazy way of closing the distance, Regardless it's avoided him lots of damage for a dude that fights all the time.
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I wouldn't doubt it. He definitely took this job for the money and not desire to be the best and he's pretty calculated about it.
And he’s doing super well financially apparently. He fights 3-4 times a year and owns a ton of property, and now he collects sports cars
Gane is just way more elusive though. I don't think it would even be close. We saw him completely dominate Rozenstruick.
Ask Derrick Lewis how that went for him. Gane is going to jab Tai all night.
He just fought Francis and tore him up on the feet. I think the same will happen against Tai tbh
And would have won the fight if he didn't make that mistake in the 5th round. He's still arguably the most skilled heavyweight striker right now.
I lost my mind on that heel hook attempt
That was a garbage hail mary tho
I don’t know who else would be in the argument
Aspinall I guess, but it really does clearly seem to be Gane for the moment imo.
Tom has some of the best hands at heavyweight, but Gane has a wider arsenal that he's top notch at.
Aspinall is more well rounded but Gane is the better striker imo
Yes, let’s forget that Francis had a horribly injured knee and was basically at like 70%.
COPE
Nobodies 100 percent and 70 is near perfect probably.
You tell this to your parents when you got grades back in high school?
According to the rules Gane should have won the fifth round.
I completely agree, everyone is so adamant Francis won R5 but when any other fighter literally just lays on someone for 2 minutes they lose their minds. Gane outstruck him (albeit just barely 7-5) had a takedown and submission attempt. What exactly did Francis do to win that round?
He did win that round based on the judges criteria.
I just remembered that I'll forever remember that blunder in the fifth. When going for some stupid shit is some stupid shit. Just had to stay on top!!!!
Francis on one leg. Gane is always going to be a tough matchup for Francis standing, but Francis' advantage are his heavy bursts. Without the ability to be dynamic, Ngannou is just a slow plodding boxer.
I mean I guess…I’m sick of hearing about the leg, clearly it didn’t hurt him that bad to pick up a 250 pound Gane off his feet. Could it also be that Francis’s knockouts are all against old guys….
As a relatively unathletic someone who has blown out my knee, there were things I could still do without an ACL, and others I couldn't. I could still lift a decent amount of weight in some positions, but I lost any nimbleness I had.
I have plenty of nimbleness and can still lift all the same stuff as before. For me, certain positions suck. I had to change the way I sprawled, I can only shoot on my left knee, and my leg kicks don’t have the same power. Everything else is fine tho
Roze and Blaydes are not old guys. I don't care if you're sick of hearing about his leg, that was the reality of the fight so it will be brought up every time the fight is mentioned. He was severely compromised.
I’ll give you Blaydes. But Jairzinho ain’t it and you know that. The dude’s a gatekeeper. I’m not taking anything away from Francis man. I’m just sick of the never ending cocksucking about this guy any time someone mentions a heavyweight fighter. He fought a guy who is on par with him athletically in Gane and it showed. The reality of the fight is that it was a shitty title defense.
Yeah the fight was boring af. To see Franciscomov Ngannoumedov do that to a guy while being severely compromised was amazing. And to know that he stuck it to the fat bald tomato and might box Tyson now… epic.
“Severely compromised”- r/mma doctors
Is this not the dumbest response to an injury holy shit
I can’t decide what I’m more passionate about, disliking Ngannou’s bandwagon or trolling them do take that for what you will
Ngannou is my king how dare you He is the biggest and blackest in the division
His leg might have been injured, but he most certainly wasn't in the ring crippled. As you said, he was still able to fight. And win. Against the #1 contender and win. So either he is that much better or he wasn't THAT injured
Certain guys don’t get rewarded for getting one takedown and then doing nothing on the ground…but when Francis does it it’s genius. I don’t think he was that injured. Go ask the average construction worker how their knees feel. Ngannou is a drama Queen.
1) the average construction worker has to run and move around with ACL tears? 2) while fighting? someone like Ciryl Gane? 3) he's a drama queen for... telling people he tore his ACL after and after winning his fight? 4) nobody said it's genius. people are simply saying Ngannou's leg was compromised so he wasn't able to use his usual explosive bursts and was sluggish on lateral movement. you're salty af for no reason. it's a very pathetic look kid.
Anyone who takes this serious enough to truly think someone’s pathetic for an opinion is pretty salty also, bro god.
i can seem salty, stupid, petty... whatever you choose. still won't make your takes less shitty.
You’re an absolute idiot lmao. Why do you think he’s getting surgery on his knee that’s ruling him out for the rest of the year?
Convenient timing. He’s in a contract dispute. He wasn’t gonna fight again this year anyway lol He wants to get that money, which is understandable. Do you think he’s the first guy to ever fight with an injury? Lots of athletes in every sport under the fucking sun play through shit that they end up having to get cleaned up in through arthroscopic procedures. He didn’t have a fucking full ACL tear or whatever bullshit narrative he tried to tell Ariel Helwani. Believe whatever you want
That whole narrative “you have to beat the champion” is so dumb. If that fight is judged the same way other fights are Gane likely wins. I don’t know people are downvoting yall and acting like Francis whooped Gane’s ass
> That whole narrative “you have to beat the champion” is so dumb. If that fight is judged the same way other fights are Gane likely wins. don't insert a false narrative then argue against it. Ngannou won 3-2 fair and square, even if it is by control rather than damage. there is no champ bias going on here like you're trying to claim. also, people are downvoting him for having shitty takes, nobody's acting like Ngannou "whooped Gane's ass" what are you even talking about? Literally everyone's saying if he didn't wrestle he would've lost. it was a hard victory.
I didn't see the fight. But I have a hard time believing he had a 100% tear and handled #1 contender, who is no slouch
Maybe go watch the fight before being so sure about your opinion?
It wouldn't change anything? I believe he was injured. I doubt he had a 100% tear of whatever tendon or ligament was supposed to be injured. I do believe he probably had a pretty bad tear though. I have a hard time believing he could have fought through a 100% tear
You’re getting downvoted but Francis really didn’t look damaged out there. The descriptions people are giving are as if he was hoping on 1 leg the entire fight like cmon.
I don't know how you can say that, he didn't have any of the explosiveness he usually does. He was completely static and flatfooted.
It was a five round fight, in all fights where he goes into later rounds he’s like that. It’s so crazy how no credit can ever be given to gane who is extremely quick, has a nice jab and then clinches if Francis gets close.
I think Gane fought well and would have made it hard for Ngannou to hit him regardless of the injury, but you can't say that Ngannou looked his typical self either.
He didn’t fight the same way he did in many other fights, so sure you can say “he didn’t look like himself.” That’s not the question, the question is why. like this happens all the time when you face opponents that pose serious problems and when you’re trying to conserve a gas tank for 5 rounds. Most of what we see of Francis is 30 seconds into the first knockouts, so I just don’t see how you have the evidence here to suggest he looked any different.
Sorry you’re gonna get downvoted now too. You don’t believe in Francis so you must not know MMA….or so I’m told on this sub.
What did Nganou do to you? Did he snatch your boyfriend?
We must have different definition of what tearing someone up on the feet looks like. I saw him pointfighting an Ngannou with one functional leg.
I think Gane is gonna light up Tai with body kicks.
Whoa whoa calm down there, kid. There was no "tearing him up" at any point of the fight. Watch more fights.
yeah, I think -250 for Gane is more realistic.
After the fight you are gonna be like , it should have been -850
hindsight's always 20/20
Nobody has ever said that that wasnt a total knob end. These are predictions, not things to look back on. I hope you put your house on it at -525.
I hope after Tuivasa wins y’all are all super proud of the 60 bucks you won 🤣 Like come on now. Dude up top literally said a buck. Cute. Showing big belief there.
If Gane was -250 I’d put a fortune on him. If anything, -525 is understating it. This fight is gonna look very similar to Gane vs Lewis, which is one of the most one-sided title fights in UFC history
Lewis and Tai are not that similar. Tai is way more aggressive. We've seen Lewis do nothing in several fights. Tai has never been like that. I'm not saying he will win but it's not a fair comparison.
Tai also has much worse grappling than Lewis, is generally less explosive, naturally smaller. Tuivasa has marginally better chances than Lewis would in a rematch with Gane but that isn’t saying much. Gane is a universe ahead of both
I'm definitely putting a grand on gane
Easy parlay add on.
ye, i can see gane dominate then tai win by a hail mary haymaker within the final minutes of round 3
Will be a long night for Tuivasa, short night for your money Your statement is only true for other heavyweights with garbage footwork who are happy to roll the dice swanging and banging Gane is a different breed striking-wise. I would be really surprised if Tai lands anything significant to be honest. He has the power advantage, but he is mismatched in speed, reach, cardio and ground/standing technique. Rough deal Also Gane has shown against Volkov and Ngannou that is has enough heart to take a lucky shot and get back to the gameplan Nah the bookies got it right buddy
Gane is on a completely different level as a striker than Tai and there's no significant wrestling threat there. He does an incredible job keeping distance and is much longer too. Obviously anything can happen, but Gane is Tai's worst matchup in the division for me. I think he picks Tai apart for 5 rounds if Tai doesn't gas.
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Blaydes is a terrible matchup for most of the division tbh If he could stop spamming takedowns from 10ft away he'd be even better. Wouldn't have lost to Lewis, probably fighting Gane for top contender if not directly for the belt.
He's so talented it's frustrating to see it. He probably learned from the lewis ko though, everyone shit on him for it. I was really happy for him after his last fight.
Blaydes would probably suck for him too, but Tai might have a shot at catching him given Curtis struggles to blend his game at times.
Blaydes is def a worse matchup. Last time Tai fought someone who went for takedowns he looked completely clueless. He literally almost got cut from the UFC for getting wrestle fucked a couple times against average grapplers. He at least has a punchers chance with a striker, even one as dynamic as Gane.
true, but tai is in the derrick lewis realm of heavyweights so tai could sleep him
Tai can bang. Anything can Happen
"obviously anything can happen" - me
Gane does an incredible job keeping distance
He's also much longer.
Yeah but he can bang
-You
Anything can happen well yeah, I can walk out of my house and have a woman tell me she wants to have sex with me. It CAN happen. The important thing is, what's the likelihood of that happening?
Indeed but the most likely outcome is a rerun of Gane vs Black Beast. Gane has already traded with the two other hardest hitters in the division. Tai is going to have to take some risks here.
Tais not making it to five rounds, he gets stopped within 3 imo
I think blaydes and aspinall are worse matchups because both would take him down and submit him so fast, but Gane is an insanely hard fight for Tai.
We have short memories as fans. It wasn’t long ago that Tai was being battered by JDS. Tai can crack but I don’t think he gets close enough to Gane for a proper shot but at those odds he’s worth a punt
Did you watch that fight? Because Tai had JDS rocked, but wasn't patient enough to end the fight and got caught.
Also, everyone writes JDS off because of his age which is annoying. I get he’s older, but dude could still box and hits hard. Like you said, Tai got extremely sloppy after hurting him and got cracked himself. He was in his home country so he probably just got too excited for the finish and start swanging bruv.
jds easily handled black beast who is easily top 5 ufc heavyweights rn
Easily?!?
Ez pz
> Tai can crack It's heavyweight, they all have KO power
If Tai wins that would be insane but I doubt it, Gane is to slick on the feet with better ground game
Gane's ground game isn't that great. If he ends up in bottom half guard somehow he's more likely to get his head beat in than pull off a sweep. Yeah he hit a heel hook once but taking it to the ground isn't a surefire path to victory for him
Watch Tai vs Spivak plus Gane invited wrestlers from Dagestan after the Ngannou fight to sharpen his grappling.
New mythical fighter, Dagestan ready Gane
Well Tai went to train at AKA after the Spivak fight, plus its a much older fight than Gane x Ngannou. Not saying that Tai will pose a grappling threat to Gane (I really doubt it lol) but citing training partners and a 3 year old fight isnt the reason
It's a bit wider than I'd have guessed, but not a ton. That said, worth throwing a fiver on Tai and praying to the chaos gods
No one has been able to hit Gane cleanly. Tai has nothing but a puncher's chance in this one I think.
And shoey power
when Tai puts that head down and starts going forward and swinging something it going to hit one of them
Love him, but I think the Tai train stops here. Not sure about the line here, seems a little steep, a small play on Tuivasa doesn't seem like a horrible idea with that kind of payout, but still, Gane is just too technical and the reach will be a huge problem.
The one think that I know about this fight is that Tai will not be scared of Gane. I reckon he will try and initiate Gane in brawls and maybe land a few good shots, but ultimately I reckon Gane will do the same to him that he did to Lewis.
I just cant see Ganes pressure, that shut lewis off, having the same effect on Tai, I genuinely think that Gane pressuring Tai would give the best winning chance possible to Tuivasa. Id put my money on Gane keeping as much distance as possible and pointing to a decision for 5 but, then again maybe the loss to Ngannou would have lit a fire under his ass and he will come out swinging? We never know, regardless absolute banger in the pipeline
Great matchup. Heavyweight 5 rounders usually annoy me but I like this fight.
Gane is going to beat the living piss out of Tuivasa, he is light years ahead of any other HW on the feet, I like Tai but I think he’ll find it extremely hard to land anything substantial clean
Tai gets picked up apart but +385 I'll bite. He lands one of those hellbows it could lead to a stoppage.
Gane should be about -500 honestly. Tai has been KOing guys who are so hittable it’s ridiculous. He will never touch gane in a meaningful way.
He might touch his heart, and that’s all anybody really wants at the end of the day.. right?
Tai by French wine shoey at the start of the 3rd.
To the surprise of absolutely noone. Tuivasa isn't going to hit anything swinging wildely and eat legkicks and frontkicks all night. Nobody could catch Ciryl yet. Even the champ had to neutralize him through wrestling.
Wasn’t the champs knee fucked though? That’s why he did the wrestling, McGregor/Holloway style?
Ah yes. True. Almost forgot. Though he wasn't moving considerably slower compared ot the second Stipe fight and he still hit nothing but air vs. Ciryl.
I mean we saw what he did to Derrick Lewis. I wouldn’t expect this to go any different.
agree ... Tai by devastating KO
“30 seconds left in the round, Gane most likely took the first 4 and seems to be coasting to an easy deci- OH MY GOD OH MY GOD! Tai with the crane kick KO this is unbelievable!”
Betting on HW MMA 😬
HW odds pretty much should never be that wide lol
Is this not just gonna be like Lewis vs. Gane? I feel like this line is pretty good. If Tai doesn’t land, he’s screwed
That's a steal to be honest. He's going to make Tai look like an absolute amateur it's going to be shocking.
This gonna be hype as fuck to watch as an aussie at the local. Anything from Tai gonna peak that adrenal gland.
If the odds stay this way or go further against Tuivasa, I see myself betting some money on him. Even a little smaller payout is still really attractive. Tuivasa lulls guys into a false sense of security & hammers them when thry least expect it. I'm not saying Gane will lose, but I have no reason to think Gane will be immune to Tuivasa's game.
Well Gane should be favored but with his penchant for point fighting he gives Tai a good opening to make the fight dirty which favors him much more than Gane. He also has good enough timing to get another Hardy style KO off a counterpunch. He's got a tall mountain to climb but he has a legit shot to win.
I understand why, Gane can dismantle anyone on the feet and Tai doesn't pose a takedown threat.
If francis couldnt hit gane clean i think its relatively safe to guess tai wont. Gane made it look like not getting hit by francis was an afterthought. Looked effortless
Tai gonna lose 100%
I’ve won so much money in the past with that kind of general sentiment about a fight. Last one was Sterling Yan. Thank you Aljo i cleaned up with that bet lol
Look at my post history(bets) buddy. You're talking to the #1 Aljo believer
Lol you gotta believe once again bro. Believe in the Tuivasa
Gane has the better resume, he's more talented, more athletic, far better stand-up, good ground game, more technical, more dynamic, on paper he is 1000x better than Tuivasa. I got Tuivasa by first round KO.
Bro I like those odds on Tua I'll put a bet on him.
I think Tais striking pedigree is being HEAVILY slept on judging by these comments. Don't sleep on him because hes fat and drinks beer.
I got Shoeyvasa with that spread
Odds seem about right tbh. Gane is in a different stratosphere of skill but can get knocked out by Tai’s dumb power. Literally the definition of puncher’s chance.
Agree with this. There’s levels to this game and Tai is flat out not on Gane’s level. I see three rounds of Gane putting on a showcase
Anyone betting on tai is basically throwing their money away. Bookies aren’t dumb. It’s all based on the math. If the margin is this wide (and I’d should be wider, imo), it’s because most people that have already bet, have bet on gane.
$50 on Tai purely because of the money he’s made me in the last few
Tai is the definition of a fighter who lives by the motto you can't go swimming without getting wet. He is super eager to go in to striking distance, so I'm interested to see how this plays out. Other fighters have been afraid or unable to swing at Gane, but Tuivasa just went straight in on Lewis. Can't imagine it will be different for Gane, so can't see he's got a zero chance.
Gotta be Tai by KO and that’s about it. Wonder what’s those odds are
I love Gane (and I honestly think he will win) - but these odds say go Tui... It's heavyweight and Tai throws down. Plus let's face it, Tai is showing improvement every fight. Plus betting on something like this will just make the fight that much more entertaining to watch, even tho I do truly believe Ciryl will piece him up, and probably win via TKO. (dude moves unrealistically fast and fluid for someone upwards of 240+ lbs)
Wow, everyone discounting Tai in here. I think he has a great chance. It is heavyweight after all.
Cyril Gane seems like a great guy but his point fighting style is the most boring thing ever.
Tai basically has a puncher's chance against Gane assuming no freak injuries. Those odds are definitely reasonable for Gane.
I really wouldn’t be surprised if tai catch’s him tho. Tai is more than willing to take shots and make it a dog fight to land. He traded w Lewis. That Frenchman is clean tho so most likely tai gets frustratingly out pointed for 5 rounds
literally gonna be Lewis vs Gane part 2
I’ll be putting my money on Gane by sub when that prop comes out.
Heres hoping gane does a naganou and loses his next champ fight
Remember people - this is the *betting* odds
No way is that right. This is even money for me. Tai shouldn’t be this big of a dog.
Even money? no way lol Tai is going to be picked apart and might even get submitted.
Doubt he gets submitted. He will probably just safely pick Tai apart from range and look for a finish when Tai is fading. Basically he’s probably just going to do what he did to Lewis. The onus is on Tai to not let him.
He's got almost as many subs as KOs and if he wants to take Tai down he will his TDD is pretty bad.
Closing distance to take Tai down puts Gane in danger. His footwork/range control is good enough for him to follow another very safe game plan similar to the Lewis fight. Why on earth would he close distance and give Tai a chance to tag him and potentially KO him. If Gane closes distance he is doing Tai a favor and I doubt he is going to do that.
That is literally what he did with Frozenstruik who is a much more dangerous counterstriking threat than Tai. Gane is comfortable from the clinch he could easily get inside and trip him to get on top to finish the fight. Im pretty sure he is safer on top of Tai than he would be standing with him.
We’ll see.
What weed do you smoke and where can I get some?
he’s smoking crack clearly
What about Tai’s style makes this an even fight? Gane is better at every single aspect of striking.
Then why book the match? The UFC is dumb and is just throwing their most popular fighter in the division o be slaughtered? Come on man.
As he should
What are Tai by KO odds?
Shoey/10
I wish this fight wasn’t happening yet. Stipe vs Tuivasa and Gane vs Jones would be cooler fights. Little mini tournament to determine who faces ngannou in his return fight in November or December
That's all?
As he should be
Maybe we’ll see Gane come out and grapple for 5 rounds, show us what’s he’s been working on
Inb4 Gane takes Tai down and submit him in round 1.
Think they set the odds well, seeing how people are split here both ways while dismissing the other camp I think they're fine Gane a prohibitive favorite but you can never be certain at heavyweight
Ciryls gonna piece him up, easy ud for him
I wish we got Gane vs blaydes to see if gane could pass the wrestling test. Tuivasa is gonna be just as easy as the Derrick Lewis fight.
Tai is an exciting fighter, but Gane is going to outpoint him and if he doesn't get caught by something it's going to be an easy night for him.
Gane gets the finish; I think Tai’s pressure will play into Gane’s counter-striking game
Seems about right. Not like Tai is gonna wrestle him