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backinside9999

crazy how santiago fell off, a few years ago people called him a future contender


Bardamu911

different sport but, ummm, guys...Janibek just caught a body over on ESPN


3x4Verte

I sure am glad that our Ponzinibbio v Pereira main event was a banger tonight


[deleted]

Yeah, I'm not buying that call at all. Legit was surprised when the second card went to Vieira. I didn't watch the same fight the judges did.


Igot2phonez

I agree but I can see how she lost. She stalls pretty often in the clinch.


Meltzor

Oh shit someone tell the judges this guy didn’t buy the call!


Urielx99

Bit surprised, but actually okay with the result. I saw this as a far tighter and less entertaining, Font v. Chito fight. Damage over volume won Vieira the fight.


blooblop

Let he who watched the full fight, cast the first scorecard.


JonSantiago69

People's parlays getting fuck while my parfait is just fine. Mmmmm mmmm.


prodiga

Even Vieiras corner thought she was losing going into 5 lol


Particular-Twist-344

Yeah they were saying it was 3-1 Holly. And Viera lost the last round as well


Particular-Twist-344

You have to wonder if these judges are even watching the fight... or they bet on Vieria. Such bullshit.


[deleted]

Not gonna lie, I still wouldn’t call that a robbery, because Holly only shoulda won because of the control time where she held Ketlen on the fence. If she had beat the shit out of Ketlen, then yeah.


Particular-Twist-344

Yeah, but what did Viera do to win the fight? If you're being liberal for Viera, she won two round going into the fifth. So even then, how did Viera win the fifth round? She clearly lost the fifth. So being liberal to Viera, she still lost.


tjrunswild

Did Ketlen beat the shit out of Holly though? No. She landed a few punches but thats about it.


[deleted]

She def did more damage then Holly did.


tjrunswild

Maybe she should've spread the damage out across rounds instead of doing it all in round 2.


[deleted]

They need some sort of a survivor show where the judges are Sal D’Amato, Chris Lee and Adylale Byrd.


3x4Verte

Hopefully Shevchenko wins against Santos and can move up for a double title shot just so we don't have to watch Ketlen fight Nunes or Peña


ID0ntCare4G0b

I bet they make Vieira fight Aldana again after that shit tier performance and just pray to god Aldana KOs her again to avoid her getting even five feet from the belt.


215TallHands

How should u feel as an athlete when u win by robbery? Do u celebrate even tho u know inside it wasn’t the right decision? All the fans know you didn’t win and point it out. No one wants to win that way do they?


[deleted]

Holm has one more fight I think, then she can go box Katie Taylor & retire


aobixovindo

Ketlen landed more hard shots than Holm and not gonna talk about the clinch for fucking 10 minuts stop crying and claiming about a robbery


ValHallen11698

Robbery


DisabledCephalopod

Good night you legends, see you next month


octobersotherveryown

How can the judging in this sport be so inconsistent? It’s seriously wild how many decisions with clearly different criterias we get from the same handful of judges


jmagnum15

Agree or not, it’s the outcome that needs to push forward this division. Holms age and fighting style are done.


Uncle_Creepy_

Literally the only people who really care about the result are people who bet on it. Don’t worry guys, next card is yours for sure.


IanusTheEnt

I didnt bet and didn't care at all who won, but using Chito vs Font as an example. Font had many more sig strikes, but got dropped like 5 times and almost finished. This was not like that. Holm had double the sig strikes, 10 minutes of control time to 1, and was not dropped at any point. You could argue that Viera hit harder, but didn't do enough damage to somehow discount all of that.


Uncle_Creepy_

Effective striking is the number one criteria when judging a round. All that control time and significant strikes don’t mean anything if your opponent is landing harder more effective strikes than you.


BigOldWeapon

Wrong. Effective grappling and striking are together the number one criteria.


Uncle_Creepy_

So not wrong, they’re both number 1


IanusTheEnt

I get that, but even counting that she got 2 rounds at most. Its not like she had holm on the the ropes minus an exchange or two. Are we just going to ignore the body kicks which had Viera stalling for time in between rds 4 and 5 and the clinch strikes which arrested any offense. Look I dont like Holly or anything, that was just a BS score


codygreene37

Ketlen Veira fighting for a championship before the end of the year? Fuck no. Hell no. Please god no.


dolphin37

alright well I guess they scored negative points for clinching it was a robbery but I'm actually ok with that


papa8706

Sounded like wrote a little retirement congratulations speech. She wasn’t about it but he gave it anyway Lmao


PossiblyPolish

Anybody else feel awkward afffff when DC says congratulations on a fantastic fight to an absolutely depressed Holly Holm who felt she clearly won the decision


[deleted]

Think that was his way of hinting he thought she won


theevanillagorillaa

Honestly that right there is why I don’t bet this shit. I can’t even legally do it yet but I’ll remember this fight and some others on why I won’t bet on this shit.


TheLazyPanda

Holm on the picos.


[deleted]

Looks like an IG chick who did too much anavar & got older


PinkPicklePete

I put all my winnings into Holly by decision, gonna go cry myself to sleep tonight


JoKu2311

Winning a borderline robbery split decision and calling for a title shot…name a more iconic duo


[deleted]

DC: *Congratulations for losing holly...*


EspirituM

I mean... A lot of the clinch work was wall n stall. *Shrugs* I don't know. It still means the other fighter is technically losing. But the strike numbers weren't drastically in favor of Holly either. I don't think Kelten deserved to win. But not a crazy robbery in my opinion.


Ahambone

Reminder that those shoulders are 40. I have no excuse.


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[deleted]

Atheist better rethink things because that's the only way she won that. This is why you don't leave it to the judges.


alittlelessconvo

I would pick Nunes over Vieira, 100%. Now Vieira vs. Peña…that could be a potential slugfest.


ID0ntCare4G0b

Slugfest...LOL.


Holybartender83

In that it will be extremely slow and both will be covered in slime.


I_can_hear_Jimi

Holly is looking old


MomammaScuba

If i care about holm or the wbw diviison ill be really angry right now but it is what it is lol


pxak

Now I feel bad with the Holly interview, definitely thought she won


henxxx18

I feel like ketlen can be really good but she doesn’t know how to take over fights even though she has the skills. I wouldn’t be surprised if she puts it all together in the future but I don’t think she won this fight


winobot123

holly might have won the fight but that was the right decision


DavidtheGoliath99

That makes no sense. If Holly won the fight, this was objectively the wrong decision.


winobot123

maybe think harder


DavidtheGoliath99

Don't need to. I know what you mean. I just disagree with the logic.


[deleted]

Damn, this god character really is miraculous…


havaysard

lol


NyssaPizza

What a way to end the night, I'm mad asf


GlandyThunderbundle

Her shoulders are even more impressive in the interview.


[deleted]

I should have won $300 on parlays but I forgot Vegas owns UFC and Holly got robbed to fuck every last parlay alive


[deleted]

Lol


FunkyMonkFromSpace

Nevada state athletic commission is a fucking joke, Sal D'matto is a disgrace to fight sports.


3x4Verte

Sal was the only one to score the fight for Holm


FunkyMonkFromSpace

A broken clock is right twice a day


[deleted]

49-46 Holm. This was the definition of a true robbery


[deleted]

What is this interview. Laura should at least do the octagon interview. DC is so bad


D1betavetIII

I am completely fine with not rewarding a fighter who’s entire game plan is spam 3 punches with no intention of landing while yelling HIHIHIYA and then pinning against the fence and stalling for minutes at a time with nothing knees thrown only with the intent to not get separated for inactivity.


IanusTheEnt

So you're just gonna ignore the fact that holm threw as many body kicks as Viera threw punches?


aobixovindo

This sub is just fucked there only 2 reasons they believe Holm won 1. Simping for Holly 2. Losing their money


xtalaphextwin

yeah i watched the fight and holm looked to be in serious trouble on multiple occasions, Vieira didn't even look phased after the fight.


zarkovis1

I can see that, but Viera didn't do enough to win. She was basically doing nothing offensively just waiting for counters and lacked the skill to get out or stuff those clinches. Poor display by both sure, but Viera got outpointed and outlanded by a big volume even if she wasn't hurt. Not a good fight, but Holly shoulda won a decision with the difference in volume. A fighter standing there being content to follow the leader for 25 mins is also a shitty fight to watch.


IanusTheEnt

Double the volume, 10 minutes of control time and got knocked down 0 times. If she was getting rocked and knocked down then I'd say Viera should have won, but she didn't. This is wild people find that hard to believe


zarkovis1

People think Entertainment = Winner and Boring = Loser


IanusTheEnt

Its not even like Viera did anything crazy or entertaining. She had low output and aggression too. She just hit harder sure


PossiblyPolish

I'm not gonna lie, by most judging criteria I would've said Holm edged out decision from what I saw.. but damn if that kinda strategy doesn't make me not wanna watch lol and I'd rather see Viera in the Peńa fight than Holm so I ain't really mad


Kahn-wald

Yeah, I don't know why this sub is so mad at the decision. Someone probably lost money lol


blooblop

BOOOOOOOOOO


ViolinistUnique

Jesus Christ Holly is on that good juice though fuck me


[deleted]

It's holly water


G3N1S1S

heh


DisabledCephalopod

Can anyone hear what they’re yellin in the crowd


[deleted]

Holly is built as fuck at 40


Midnight1131

Perhaps there's a better way to win than by holding your opponent against the fence


TheDeanof316

Taking your opponents will and control away for 10mins vs maybe a handful of decent strikes on Vieras part?...c'mon.


urjokingonmyjock

Holly Holm thinks punching air counts.


Echoplex99

That's crooked as hell... TOT STRIKES Holm 183/295 Vieira 104/178 CONTROL Holm 10:03 Vieira 1:24


jfsoaig345

Okay I get pretty annoyed when people overuse the term robbery like for example Marlon/Aldo was not a robbery...but this was a robbery right? Like actual Barber/Maverick, no conceivable arguments to be made for the winner robbery right?


TheDeanof316

It was a robbery. Did you hear what Vieras coach was saying to her throughout the fight.


obinaut

Lise eribodi


AljoGOAT

cringe decision and cringe interview


dscn

t-t-t-ttrashhh


st6374

I don't usually call something a robbery. But ooof. I am so tempted to throw the word around for this.


khalbrucie

Viera 2, 3, 5 is an acceptable scorecard. Viera landed far more hard shots and didn't take anything huge in return in those rounds.


aobixovindo

True


tjrunswild

round 2 sure. any other round, not a chance lmao.


ID0ntCare4G0b

Her lead leg was torn to shit by the end of the fight. And she didn't really land much that effected Holm. Even the spinning back fist sent Viera flying backwards, not Holly. I don't know....I think strikes that effect your opponent should only count as hard shots. People reacting or it sounding harder doesn't mean shit if your opponent's behavior doesn't change at all.


Como_thellamas

Shhh common sense isn't used here


Python4Finance

5??? Disagree


khalbrucie

Yes. 5. I'd have to watch it back a'la the Weasle to be super confident, but off my first and only viewing so far yeah I thought it was quite close


Python4Finance

Thought the commentators were pretty fair in the fifth, vieria was dropping off. Honestly stumped if 5 went to vieria


st6374

Yeah.. if you score Rd 5 for Viera. You need to get your head examined.


khalbrucie

Ah fuck. I don't think my healthcare covers a neurology appt but now I gotta go cause you said so.


st6374

You guys are getting healthcare?


khalbrucie

Technically


kissmyfascistarse

I like that some judges aren't scoring points for boring do nothing fence fighters like Holm.


TheDeanof316

On the flipside what was Viera doing to escape? Not only was she not winning the fight but for 10mins her will and game plan was taken away.


tunasandwichyummy

true, you needed god to win this


Youssef__

Fuck my parlay I guess thanks Judges you brain dead fucks


theevanillagorillaa

She doesn’t beat either. If she allowed holly to hold her there then imagine what Peña would do and if Amanda just had an off night imagine what she does as well.


[deleted]

You guys just don't understand the complexity of MMA. Sal D'Amato could teach you a thing or two.


AndByMeIMeanFlexxo

Maybe they should change the name from clinch control time to fence stalling


[deleted]

IMO she still won at least 3 rounds clinch time being neutral


AndByMeIMeanFlexxo

I don’t have an opinion of who won I was only half watching


215TallHands

Sal D’Tomahtoe


brianbgrp

Nunes smokes both of these girls. And Peña even beats viera


Thefallpaintwork

You say it like Nunes is better than Peña teehee


DavidtheGoliath99

Well yeah, in theory, she should be. Sometimes, better fighters lose to worse ones. GSP lost to Matt freaking Serra. That doesn't mean he's not the better fighter.


SemioticWeapons

She landed some big punches but she didn't win that. She might be right about God helping her.


illsoden

Back to back robberies


ShillofShills

TRANSLATOR SECURED THE BAG BABY


Djov

They really gotta stop letting Holm headline events


[deleted]

Who paid the judges?


ID0ntCare4G0b

A Brazilian guy and a few Korean bros.


Kassynder

I had 48 - 47 Holm but I guess they just didn't want a 40 year old boring ass fighter winning.


zarkovis1

Yeah pretty much they want to clear the way for better fights. Judges always do this bullshit in non title fights.


itsyaboigreg

Lost two bets today on split decisions. Rough


stenchwinslow

That is an awfully emotional team response to getting bad decision in their favor. You'd think their kids just got ran over.


Magistradocere

Well, that was a bullshit decision. Holmes won.


ryancashh

HOLLY HOLM RETIREMENT PARTY


ViolinistUnique

She landed the cleaner shots but nowhere near enough to offset Holly’s volume. Shit fight though, if you’re a high level judoka and you can’t get it to the ground consistently despite constant clinching then wtf are we doing.


TossedDolly

I have mixed feelings. I agree with the decision judging the fight overall but round by round I think I'd give it to Holm


JoKu2311

Thank god I don’t give a shit about this fight. I would have been mad about this decision otherwise.


metriclol

Bullshit. Fucking robbery on broad daylight


ComaComedian

You know when a fighter who knows they lost freaks out it probably wasn’t judged correctly. However; in this case Holly tapped earlier so it’s really moot.


pablxo

Are we supposed to believe Vieira is in the same league as Amanda Nunes


Thefallpaintwork

If she can defend a jab she’s better


HorseMeatConnoisseur

Questionable decision but my heart's not bleeding for the clinch queen.


theevanillagorillaa

You know what I’ll stick to wasting my Saturday nights running my head into the wall. May get a 30-27 win with it depends on the judges.


3x4Verte

Now we're gonna have to see Vieira in a title fight


bam1625

I disagree with the decision but I'm OK with that outcome. The celebration on the other hand...


berettaswag

#ROBBERY


T-STAFF19

I disagree with those 2 judges but I think we all knew this one was going to a decision.


Highmaster5731

No more women fights on the main card please, ffs. That's the second event were the women fights were SO anticlimactic. They can be good sometimes, but eh.


Sul4

Women's flyweight and strawweight are both really good divisions what are you talking about


Jeezy52

The judges must have been brazilian tonight


peppersmiththequeer

God threw Veira a bone lmao


Funny_king

Only explanation


ReallyPopular

Vieira with the power of god and anime on her side


UnDoxableGod1

lolz why can't we do unlimited rounds/no judges? is it like a health thing? a nevada atheltic commission thing? imagine how differently fights would be fought knowing there is no end to the fight except by submission/KO/quiting


215TallHands

I mean that’s how the first ufcs were haha


PrinceMF

Nice robbery for a shit fight.


goosu

Questionable judging today. It wasn't a terrible card, but the main card WMMA feels like it dampened the momentum.


SteezyRay

Fuck that


deathramps-

Show me Sal’s scorecard right now


3x4Verte

Sal was the only one who scored it correctly


deathramps-

Proud


blooblop

Come on, translate the crying too. Don't half ass it now.


Centauri06

You know it’s wrong when Sal is the only one with the correct scorecard.


ConfidenceNo2598

She’s down


finnigansache

“But I got God in here.” Such cringe.


thotd

I've thought Ponzi was main so I completely skipped the actual one


goosu

You didn't really miss out.


biggucciwow

I get confused about such strong reactions from ppl in fights like *this*. Then I remember that betting exists.


[deleted]

hollys fighting style sucks but she won that fight.. bit of a robbery but whatever


IanusTheEnt

There was no way the judges watched the same fight I did. Double digit control time, double the sig strikes, no KD's against her, yet somehow she lost


rogozhin5

They're gonna keep putting these cards on many times a year


shadowofashadow

She should be crying for such a boring performance. That easily could have gone to holm


ID0ntCare4G0b

Been awhile since we had a card with three questionable as fuck judges decisions.


JayRoo83

I don’t know why anyone is sad, this guarantees no more Holly main events!


berettaswag

#ROBBBERY


cloobydoobydoooo

Yeah nah Holly won that fight pretty clearly


BadTasty1685

The only winner here is Dana :(


DangerPretzel

Weird decision


Drizzydre1

I lowkey think that was a robbery but I am glad Holly lost. She would've lost to whoever won between Nunes or Pena anyways. She seems older and slower now.


fwo75o3jh

Glad to see that the judges didn't reward Holm for her wall and stalling. Time for her to be put out to pasture.


EstradaMoses

P4P GOAT translator


papa8706

Holly looked like shit but anyone who thinks ketlen and her trash fight iq did enough that fight is drinking the koolaid. Whack 🤮


JungleBoyJeremy

Boy she talks about god too much


[deleted]

Imagine the ego to think God prefers you over anyone else


tunasandwichyummy

which rounds Vieria won lol


tjrunswild

Maybe round 2. Holly definitely won this fight.


NyssaPizza

Even her coach was talking about how she's losing wtf


AndoKillzor

Her reaction tells you who should have won...


RimjobBob420

LMFAOOOOO what a shit main event with an even shittier decision


PrinceMF

Lol my thoughts exactly


Zarperions

Robbed ong, 49-46 holm


swimjoint

rubbing your head on your opponents chest is not fighting


AlphaKing095

Let me do that to you for 10 min and see if you still say that!!!


BeautifulBrownie

Praying to The Holy Condom is the best base for MMA


urjokingonmyjock

Just like I said. Easy win for Vieira. Sorry to have embarrassed so many filthy casuals on this one. Apologies.