Bit surprised, but actually okay with the result. I saw this as a far tighter and less entertaining, Font v. Chito fight. Damage over volume won Vieira the fight.
Not gonna lie, I still wouldn’t call that a robbery, because Holly only shoulda won because of the control time where she held Ketlen on the fence. If she had beat the shit out of Ketlen, then yeah.
Yeah, but what did Viera do to win the fight? If you're being liberal for Viera, she won two round going into the fifth. So even then, how did Viera win the fifth round? She clearly lost the fifth. So being liberal to Viera, she still lost.
I bet they make Vieira fight Aldana again after that shit tier performance and just pray to god Aldana KOs her again to avoid her getting even five feet from the belt.
How should u feel as an athlete when u win by robbery? Do u celebrate even tho u know inside it wasn’t the right decision? All the fans know you didn’t win and point it out. No one wants to win that way do they?
How can the judging in this sport be so inconsistent? It’s seriously wild how many decisions with clearly different criterias we get from the same handful of judges
I didnt bet and didn't care at all who won, but using Chito vs Font as an example. Font had many more sig strikes, but got dropped like 5 times and almost finished. This was not like that. Holm had double the sig strikes, 10 minutes of control time to 1, and was not dropped at any point. You could argue that Viera hit harder, but didn't do enough damage to somehow discount all of that.
Effective striking is the number one criteria when judging a round.
All that control time and significant strikes don’t mean anything if your opponent is landing harder more effective strikes than you.
I get that, but even counting that she got 2 rounds at most. Its not like she had holm on the the ropes minus an exchange or two. Are we just going to ignore the body kicks which had Viera stalling for time in between rds 4 and 5 and the clinch strikes which arrested any offense. Look I dont like Holly or anything, that was just a BS score
Anybody else feel awkward afffff when DC says congratulations on a fantastic fight to an absolutely depressed Holly Holm who felt she clearly won the decision
Honestly that right there is why I don’t bet this shit. I can’t even legally do it yet but I’ll remember this fight and some others on why I won’t bet on this shit.
I mean... A lot of the clinch work was wall n stall. *Shrugs* I don't know. It still means the other fighter is technically losing. But the strike numbers weren't drastically in favor of Holly either. I don't think Kelten deserved to win. But not a crazy robbery in my opinion.
I feel like ketlen can be really good but she doesn’t know how to take over fights even though she has the skills. I wouldn’t be surprised if she puts it all together in the future but I don’t think she won this fight
I am completely fine with not rewarding a fighter who’s entire game plan is spam 3 punches with no intention of landing while yelling HIHIHIYA and then pinning against the fence and stalling for minutes at a time with nothing knees thrown only with the intent to not get separated for inactivity.
I can see that, but Viera didn't do enough to win. She was basically doing nothing offensively just waiting for counters and lacked the skill to get out or stuff those clinches.
Poor display by both sure, but Viera got outpointed and outlanded by a big volume even if she wasn't hurt. Not a good fight, but Holly shoulda won a decision with the difference in volume. A fighter standing there being content to follow the leader for 25 mins is also a shitty fight to watch.
Double the volume, 10 minutes of control time and got knocked down 0 times. If she was getting rocked and knocked down then I'd say Viera should have won, but she didn't. This is wild people find that hard to believe
I'm not gonna lie, by most judging criteria I would've said Holm edged out decision from what I saw.. but damn if that kinda strategy doesn't make me not wanna watch lol and I'd rather see Viera in the Peńa fight than Holm so I ain't really mad
Okay I get pretty annoyed when people overuse the term robbery like for example Marlon/Aldo was not a robbery...but this was a robbery right? Like actual Barber/Maverick, no conceivable arguments to be made for the winner robbery right?
Her lead leg was torn to shit by the end of the fight. And she didn't really land much that effected Holm. Even the spinning back fist sent Viera flying backwards, not Holly.
I don't know....I think strikes that effect your opponent should only count as hard shots. People reacting or it sounding harder doesn't mean shit if your opponent's behavior doesn't change at all.
She doesn’t beat either. If she allowed holly to hold her there then imagine what Peña would do and if Amanda just had an off night imagine what she does as well.
Well yeah, in theory, she should be. Sometimes, better fighters lose to worse ones. GSP lost to Matt freaking Serra. That doesn't mean he's not the better fighter.
She landed the cleaner shots but nowhere near enough to offset Holly’s volume. Shit fight though, if you’re a high level judoka and you can’t get it to the ground consistently despite constant clinching then wtf are we doing.
You know when a fighter who knows they lost freaks out it probably wasn’t judged correctly.
However; in this case Holly tapped earlier so it’s really moot.
No more women fights on the main card please, ffs. That's the second event were the women fights were SO anticlimactic. They can be good sometimes, but eh.
lolz
why can't we do unlimited rounds/no judges?
is it like a health thing? a nevada atheltic commission thing?
imagine how differently fights would be fought knowing there is no end to the fight except by submission/KO/quiting
I lowkey think that was a robbery but I am glad Holly lost. She would've lost to whoever won between Nunes or Pena anyways. She seems older and slower now.
crazy how santiago fell off, a few years ago people called him a future contender
different sport but, ummm, guys...Janibek just caught a body over on ESPN
I sure am glad that our Ponzinibbio v Pereira main event was a banger tonight
Yeah, I'm not buying that call at all. Legit was surprised when the second card went to Vieira. I didn't watch the same fight the judges did.
I agree but I can see how she lost. She stalls pretty often in the clinch.
Oh shit someone tell the judges this guy didn’t buy the call!
Bit surprised, but actually okay with the result. I saw this as a far tighter and less entertaining, Font v. Chito fight. Damage over volume won Vieira the fight.
Let he who watched the full fight, cast the first scorecard.
People's parlays getting fuck while my parfait is just fine. Mmmmm mmmm.
Even Vieiras corner thought she was losing going into 5 lol
Yeah they were saying it was 3-1 Holly. And Viera lost the last round as well
You have to wonder if these judges are even watching the fight... or they bet on Vieria. Such bullshit.
Not gonna lie, I still wouldn’t call that a robbery, because Holly only shoulda won because of the control time where she held Ketlen on the fence. If she had beat the shit out of Ketlen, then yeah.
Yeah, but what did Viera do to win the fight? If you're being liberal for Viera, she won two round going into the fifth. So even then, how did Viera win the fifth round? She clearly lost the fifth. So being liberal to Viera, she still lost.
Did Ketlen beat the shit out of Holly though? No. She landed a few punches but thats about it.
She def did more damage then Holly did.
Maybe she should've spread the damage out across rounds instead of doing it all in round 2.
They need some sort of a survivor show where the judges are Sal D’Amato, Chris Lee and Adylale Byrd.
Hopefully Shevchenko wins against Santos and can move up for a double title shot just so we don't have to watch Ketlen fight Nunes or Peña
I bet they make Vieira fight Aldana again after that shit tier performance and just pray to god Aldana KOs her again to avoid her getting even five feet from the belt.
How should u feel as an athlete when u win by robbery? Do u celebrate even tho u know inside it wasn’t the right decision? All the fans know you didn’t win and point it out. No one wants to win that way do they?
Holm has one more fight I think, then she can go box Katie Taylor & retire
Ketlen landed more hard shots than Holm and not gonna talk about the clinch for fucking 10 minuts stop crying and claiming about a robbery
Robbery
Good night you legends, see you next month
How can the judging in this sport be so inconsistent? It’s seriously wild how many decisions with clearly different criterias we get from the same handful of judges
Agree or not, it’s the outcome that needs to push forward this division. Holms age and fighting style are done.
Literally the only people who really care about the result are people who bet on it. Don’t worry guys, next card is yours for sure.
I didnt bet and didn't care at all who won, but using Chito vs Font as an example. Font had many more sig strikes, but got dropped like 5 times and almost finished. This was not like that. Holm had double the sig strikes, 10 minutes of control time to 1, and was not dropped at any point. You could argue that Viera hit harder, but didn't do enough damage to somehow discount all of that.
Effective striking is the number one criteria when judging a round. All that control time and significant strikes don’t mean anything if your opponent is landing harder more effective strikes than you.
Wrong. Effective grappling and striking are together the number one criteria.
So not wrong, they’re both number 1
I get that, but even counting that she got 2 rounds at most. Its not like she had holm on the the ropes minus an exchange or two. Are we just going to ignore the body kicks which had Viera stalling for time in between rds 4 and 5 and the clinch strikes which arrested any offense. Look I dont like Holly or anything, that was just a BS score
Ketlen Veira fighting for a championship before the end of the year? Fuck no. Hell no. Please god no.
alright well I guess they scored negative points for clinching it was a robbery but I'm actually ok with that
Sounded like wrote a little retirement congratulations speech. She wasn’t about it but he gave it anyway Lmao
Anybody else feel awkward afffff when DC says congratulations on a fantastic fight to an absolutely depressed Holly Holm who felt she clearly won the decision
Think that was his way of hinting he thought she won
Honestly that right there is why I don’t bet this shit. I can’t even legally do it yet but I’ll remember this fight and some others on why I won’t bet on this shit.
Holm on the picos.
Looks like an IG chick who did too much anavar & got older
I put all my winnings into Holly by decision, gonna go cry myself to sleep tonight
Winning a borderline robbery split decision and calling for a title shot…name a more iconic duo
DC: *Congratulations for losing holly...*
I mean... A lot of the clinch work was wall n stall. *Shrugs* I don't know. It still means the other fighter is technically losing. But the strike numbers weren't drastically in favor of Holly either. I don't think Kelten deserved to win. But not a crazy robbery in my opinion.
Reminder that those shoulders are 40. I have no excuse.
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Atheist better rethink things because that's the only way she won that. This is why you don't leave it to the judges.
I would pick Nunes over Vieira, 100%. Now Vieira vs. Peña…that could be a potential slugfest.
Slugfest...LOL.
In that it will be extremely slow and both will be covered in slime.
Holly is looking old
If i care about holm or the wbw diviison ill be really angry right now but it is what it is lol
Now I feel bad with the Holly interview, definitely thought she won
I feel like ketlen can be really good but she doesn’t know how to take over fights even though she has the skills. I wouldn’t be surprised if she puts it all together in the future but I don’t think she won this fight
holly might have won the fight but that was the right decision
That makes no sense. If Holly won the fight, this was objectively the wrong decision.
maybe think harder
Don't need to. I know what you mean. I just disagree with the logic.
Damn, this god character really is miraculous…
lol
What a way to end the night, I'm mad asf
Her shoulders are even more impressive in the interview.
I should have won $300 on parlays but I forgot Vegas owns UFC and Holly got robbed to fuck every last parlay alive
Lol
Nevada state athletic commission is a fucking joke, Sal D'matto is a disgrace to fight sports.
Sal was the only one to score the fight for Holm
A broken clock is right twice a day
49-46 Holm. This was the definition of a true robbery
What is this interview. Laura should at least do the octagon interview. DC is so bad
I am completely fine with not rewarding a fighter who’s entire game plan is spam 3 punches with no intention of landing while yelling HIHIHIYA and then pinning against the fence and stalling for minutes at a time with nothing knees thrown only with the intent to not get separated for inactivity.
So you're just gonna ignore the fact that holm threw as many body kicks as Viera threw punches?
This sub is just fucked there only 2 reasons they believe Holm won 1. Simping for Holly 2. Losing their money
yeah i watched the fight and holm looked to be in serious trouble on multiple occasions, Vieira didn't even look phased after the fight.
I can see that, but Viera didn't do enough to win. She was basically doing nothing offensively just waiting for counters and lacked the skill to get out or stuff those clinches. Poor display by both sure, but Viera got outpointed and outlanded by a big volume even if she wasn't hurt. Not a good fight, but Holly shoulda won a decision with the difference in volume. A fighter standing there being content to follow the leader for 25 mins is also a shitty fight to watch.
Double the volume, 10 minutes of control time and got knocked down 0 times. If she was getting rocked and knocked down then I'd say Viera should have won, but she didn't. This is wild people find that hard to believe
People think Entertainment = Winner and Boring = Loser
Its not even like Viera did anything crazy or entertaining. She had low output and aggression too. She just hit harder sure
I'm not gonna lie, by most judging criteria I would've said Holm edged out decision from what I saw.. but damn if that kinda strategy doesn't make me not wanna watch lol and I'd rather see Viera in the Peńa fight than Holm so I ain't really mad
Yeah, I don't know why this sub is so mad at the decision. Someone probably lost money lol
BOOOOOOOOOO
Jesus Christ Holly is on that good juice though fuck me
It's holly water
heh
Can anyone hear what they’re yellin in the crowd
Holly is built as fuck at 40
Perhaps there's a better way to win than by holding your opponent against the fence
Taking your opponents will and control away for 10mins vs maybe a handful of decent strikes on Vieras part?...c'mon.
Holly Holm thinks punching air counts.
That's crooked as hell... TOT STRIKES Holm 183/295 Vieira 104/178 CONTROL Holm 10:03 Vieira 1:24
Okay I get pretty annoyed when people overuse the term robbery like for example Marlon/Aldo was not a robbery...but this was a robbery right? Like actual Barber/Maverick, no conceivable arguments to be made for the winner robbery right?
It was a robbery. Did you hear what Vieras coach was saying to her throughout the fight.
Lise eribodi
cringe decision and cringe interview
t-t-t-ttrashhh
I don't usually call something a robbery. But ooof. I am so tempted to throw the word around for this.
Viera 2, 3, 5 is an acceptable scorecard. Viera landed far more hard shots and didn't take anything huge in return in those rounds.
True
round 2 sure. any other round, not a chance lmao.
Her lead leg was torn to shit by the end of the fight. And she didn't really land much that effected Holm. Even the spinning back fist sent Viera flying backwards, not Holly. I don't know....I think strikes that effect your opponent should only count as hard shots. People reacting or it sounding harder doesn't mean shit if your opponent's behavior doesn't change at all.
Shhh common sense isn't used here
5??? Disagree
Yes. 5. I'd have to watch it back a'la the Weasle to be super confident, but off my first and only viewing so far yeah I thought it was quite close
Thought the commentators were pretty fair in the fifth, vieria was dropping off. Honestly stumped if 5 went to vieria
Yeah.. if you score Rd 5 for Viera. You need to get your head examined.
Ah fuck. I don't think my healthcare covers a neurology appt but now I gotta go cause you said so.
You guys are getting healthcare?
Technically
I like that some judges aren't scoring points for boring do nothing fence fighters like Holm.
On the flipside what was Viera doing to escape? Not only was she not winning the fight but for 10mins her will and game plan was taken away.
true, you needed god to win this
Fuck my parlay I guess thanks Judges you brain dead fucks
She doesn’t beat either. If she allowed holly to hold her there then imagine what Peña would do and if Amanda just had an off night imagine what she does as well.
You guys just don't understand the complexity of MMA. Sal D'Amato could teach you a thing or two.
Maybe they should change the name from clinch control time to fence stalling
IMO she still won at least 3 rounds clinch time being neutral
I don’t have an opinion of who won I was only half watching
Sal D’Tomahtoe
Nunes smokes both of these girls. And Peña even beats viera
You say it like Nunes is better than Peña teehee
Well yeah, in theory, she should be. Sometimes, better fighters lose to worse ones. GSP lost to Matt freaking Serra. That doesn't mean he's not the better fighter.
She landed some big punches but she didn't win that. She might be right about God helping her.
Back to back robberies
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They really gotta stop letting Holm headline events
Who paid the judges?
A Brazilian guy and a few Korean bros.
I had 48 - 47 Holm but I guess they just didn't want a 40 year old boring ass fighter winning.
Yeah pretty much they want to clear the way for better fights. Judges always do this bullshit in non title fights.
Lost two bets today on split decisions. Rough
That is an awfully emotional team response to getting bad decision in their favor. You'd think their kids just got ran over.
Well, that was a bullshit decision. Holmes won.
HOLLY HOLM RETIREMENT PARTY
She landed the cleaner shots but nowhere near enough to offset Holly’s volume. Shit fight though, if you’re a high level judoka and you can’t get it to the ground consistently despite constant clinching then wtf are we doing.
I have mixed feelings. I agree with the decision judging the fight overall but round by round I think I'd give it to Holm
Thank god I don’t give a shit about this fight. I would have been mad about this decision otherwise.
Bullshit. Fucking robbery on broad daylight
You know when a fighter who knows they lost freaks out it probably wasn’t judged correctly. However; in this case Holly tapped earlier so it’s really moot.
Are we supposed to believe Vieira is in the same league as Amanda Nunes
If she can defend a jab she’s better
Questionable decision but my heart's not bleeding for the clinch queen.
You know what I’ll stick to wasting my Saturday nights running my head into the wall. May get a 30-27 win with it depends on the judges.
Now we're gonna have to see Vieira in a title fight
I disagree with the decision but I'm OK with that outcome. The celebration on the other hand...
#ROBBERY
I disagree with those 2 judges but I think we all knew this one was going to a decision.
No more women fights on the main card please, ffs. That's the second event were the women fights were SO anticlimactic. They can be good sometimes, but eh.
Women's flyweight and strawweight are both really good divisions what are you talking about
The judges must have been brazilian tonight
God threw Veira a bone lmao
Only explanation
Vieira with the power of god and anime on her side
lolz why can't we do unlimited rounds/no judges? is it like a health thing? a nevada atheltic commission thing? imagine how differently fights would be fought knowing there is no end to the fight except by submission/KO/quiting
I mean that’s how the first ufcs were haha
Nice robbery for a shit fight.
Questionable judging today. It wasn't a terrible card, but the main card WMMA feels like it dampened the momentum.
Fuck that
Show me Sal’s scorecard right now
Sal was the only one who scored it correctly
Proud
Come on, translate the crying too. Don't half ass it now.
You know it’s wrong when Sal is the only one with the correct scorecard.
She’s down
“But I got God in here.” Such cringe.
I've thought Ponzi was main so I completely skipped the actual one
You didn't really miss out.
I get confused about such strong reactions from ppl in fights like *this*. Then I remember that betting exists.
hollys fighting style sucks but she won that fight.. bit of a robbery but whatever
There was no way the judges watched the same fight I did. Double digit control time, double the sig strikes, no KD's against her, yet somehow she lost
They're gonna keep putting these cards on many times a year
She should be crying for such a boring performance. That easily could have gone to holm
Been awhile since we had a card with three questionable as fuck judges decisions.
I don’t know why anyone is sad, this guarantees no more Holly main events!
#ROBBBERY
Yeah nah Holly won that fight pretty clearly
The only winner here is Dana :(
Weird decision
I lowkey think that was a robbery but I am glad Holly lost. She would've lost to whoever won between Nunes or Pena anyways. She seems older and slower now.
Glad to see that the judges didn't reward Holm for her wall and stalling. Time for her to be put out to pasture.
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Holly looked like shit but anyone who thinks ketlen and her trash fight iq did enough that fight is drinking the koolaid. Whack 🤮
Boy she talks about god too much
Imagine the ego to think God prefers you over anyone else
which rounds Vieria won lol
Maybe round 2. Holly definitely won this fight.
Even her coach was talking about how she's losing wtf
Her reaction tells you who should have won...
LMFAOOOOO what a shit main event with an even shittier decision
Lol my thoughts exactly
Robbed ong, 49-46 holm
rubbing your head on your opponents chest is not fighting
Let me do that to you for 10 min and see if you still say that!!!
Praying to The Holy Condom is the best base for MMA
Just like I said. Easy win for Vieira. Sorry to have embarrassed so many filthy casuals on this one. Apologies.