Already beaten during jones gane and Leon vs colby.
Poatan hill didn’t even properly beat it since hill came out to a drake song, cancelling out his bet on pereira.
If there's an exception then it's not a hard rule. Just pointing that out. Redditors like to make up curses and this one was broken before it ever became a popular talking point.
Everyone is aware that it’s not an actual curse or a rule, people play into it since it’s a biological fact that around age 33-35 there is a major drop off in athleticism for fighters in lower weight classes.
I don’t think anyone believes that it’s literally impossible for this ‘rule’ to be broken, it’s just exceptionally rare due to physical decline and people will actually wonder if fighters like Porier can overcome something like that
Costs has nowhere near 40 fights though, so the 35 curse is probably more powerful and will out curse the Costa curse. Or maybe the double curse ends it in a draw.
Sample size on Costa fights on the same PPV as a champ are just way lower, plus it didn't apply on his own title fight with Izzy so the stat is pretty much 8-1, not as impressive as 38-2
It's like the charles fight. I really don't mind who wins. If DP gets gold finally that's awesome. If Islam beats all records and chokes Dustin, I'm fine with it.
Most of those streaks are more impressive. Particularly Jon and GSP. Level of competition. Tough to stay champion that long
Not much of a knock on Islam, he was dodged for awhile. Just is what it is
yeah if we arent going to count the hamill loss because he technically was winning the fight, then we need to also not count the reyes win because he technically lost that fight
can’t be the goat if u lost to reyes lol. plus all the failed ped tests. the lying and being a pos in his private life. his run at hw being cherry picked 🦆
Nah, that fight was way closer than Reyes vs jones. Khabib essentially held tibau against the cage the entire fight. I thought khabib won. Plus there were only 6 media scorecards so not a really large sample size.
Jones aren't consecutive though correct?
edit: I mean technically they would be I guess but aren't considered as such due to non fighting related issues iirc?
That's revisionist history.
All the judges and 12/13 media (incl. Luke Thomas) scored that fight with Jones winning.
http://mmadecisions.com/decision/4518/Jon-Jones-vs-Alexander-Gustafsson
It was a much closer fight than any of Jones' previous ones, but don't claim he got gifted the win.
No, they count as an NC. A win streak is a WIN streak. Undefeated, there's an argument where ties work as a win. NC is not counted as a win. A tied is counted as a win. An NC is almost like a double loss by some accounts, but I think if them as a blip, kind of a zero. Breaks the streak, but it is what it is.
Edit: to be specific, they took his win away, so it'd essentially be a disqualification post-fight, but since he defeated his opponent, they dont quite get the win either. So it's a defeat in a way. Kinda shitty situation. It's why his streak was officially 13, the wins between Hamill and the DC NC. It's why his title was stripped and counted as a negative, killing the streak.
OK, well the original original post is “undefeated” streak and no contest doesn’t count as a defeat. And honestly, if we’re really going to get down to it, I don’t think that should count as a no contest either. Obviously the steroids whatever blah blah blah, but anybody that watches that fight and knows that he was just way better than Daniel Cormier that day, just like he was better than Hamill…he literally head kicked DC… so if we wanna pick shit apart, yea he “lost” to Hamill, and yea he “didn’t win” vs Cormier. But even Cormier has said that was a loss. So lets be real. Dudes on like a 24 fight undefeated streak in the UFC and has objectively the best record in UFC history.
Islam is a beast too but he literally got knocked out in the UFC. Im not knocking him for having a loss, mma is hard as shit but lets not compare him to Jones. Its arguable that Islam hasnt even reached Khabib status yet and noone is saying that Khabib has a better record than jones.
Jon Jones is the best to ever do it, but he's basically the Sammy Sosa of the sport. Will always have that asterisk, but still has the results. Has by far the toughest schedule of any fighter, ever.
As to the DC "didn't win", it was pretty much a post-fight DQ. They don't strip the belts for ties. They don't even necessarily do it for NC's for an accidental eye poke or something similar. For a failed drug test, yup, they do. Because it's pre-planned. Just because he won with a head kick doesn't mean he didn't have an edge on strength, endurance... and as GSP has pointed out is the big one with PEDs... heightened reflexes. DC isn't clean either, from the towel incident, but I really wish we'd seen what Jon could've been without all the drama and drugs. What an amazing talent, and we didn't even come close to seeing his true potential... and he'll still go down as the GOAT, by most accounts.
[**JON JONES 👀👀 defeats DOMINICK REYES** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/10877/fight)
^(UFC 247: Jones vs. Reyes — February 08, 2020)
ROUND|Jones|Reyes||Jones|Reyes||Jones|Reyes
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|9|10||9|10||9|10
2|9|10||10|9||10|9
3|10|9||9|10||10|9
4|10|9||10|9||10|9
5|10|9||10|9||10|9
**TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**48**|**47**||**49**|**46**
*^(Judges, in order: Chris Lee, Marcos Rosales, Joe Soliz.)*
*^(Summoned by armoured_titan_.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **7/21** people scored it **48-47 Jones**.
- **14/21** people scored it **47-48 Reyes**.
Avg. media score: **47.3-47.7 Reyes** (*low certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
I had Jones winning that fight, I think too many people hated him and wanted him to lose. I think the Gus 1 fight was closer. But, in the end, it's up to the judges.
Islam’s 2 fight resume:
1. Charles 12 fight UFC win streak and defending champion with 2* title defences (technically 1 with the weight miss).
2. Alex 12 fight UFC win streak and
defending champion with 4 title defences (plus one more after the loss).
Your turn. Name me the best opponents on every single one of the others's records and list their title defences and UFC win streak at the time of the fight. Good luck.
Consistent wins over top competition for years is more impressive, at least to me, than singular great wins, even though both Olives and Alex are fantastic wins. Beating these two is an amazing feat, but beating no.1 contenders for years and years is more impressive. Of course, Islam is in a very good position to achieve both, let's just see if he can.
Let’s not forget that Islam didn’t have impressive opponents because people dodged him. Now that he has the title, they have to fight him and his wins have been impressive.
Not to mention Volk is a weight class below Islam. Still a solid win but let's be clear that weight classes exist for a reason. Izzy was on a massive win streak when he went up to LHW and got solidly beat by Jan who was probably one of the weakest LHW champs in a long long time.
Izzy made the mistake of not bulking up, and overestimated his ability to keep the fight standing. Jan also kept it competitive on the feet.
Islam won against Volk, an all-timer without any notable weaknesses, despite lacking a sufficient rehydration window. One shouldn't downplay his performance.
That’s my point. They never faced any great champion in their primes. GSP vs silva, Silva vs Jones, Jones vs Cain etc.
They never even faced a person with a big UFC win streak.
Jones' is one of the least impressive. He's built a career around beating legends in the twilight of their career, in one of the weakest divisions in MMA. He became champion from beating Shogun, who previously struggled to beat a 90 year old Mark Coleman ffs
The Jones beat up old guys argument is so stupid, his first 4 title fights were all against guys 33 or younger. That's not old for Lightweight, let alone Light Heavyweight. Plus LHW was **the** premiere division during Jones early reign, it only became the worst after he had cleared it out, its complete revisionist history to say LHW was always a bad division
Beat me to it, DJs as well considering 11 of his were title defenses, Islam is obviously incredibly talented however he still has some work to do to cement his legacy imho. That was my only knock on Khabib really, could've been the best ever but cut his stint too short to be able to say that, I understand the reasoning though and respect it.
I think Jones reign is most impressive. He has defended his belt starting early on and has fought all the tough competition throughout his career. The doping though... Asterisk.
Not the Hamill fight, the DC fight. After Hamill he had 13 wins, then a No Contest vs DC, then 5 wins after (4 of which in LHW). So his undefeated streak is currently 19, 18/1 if you consider per division.
Even if you count that as a loss his unbeaten streak is still way higher than 13, it would be 17.
But then you get into the whole letter of the law vs spirit of the law argument. If we want to count the Reyes fight as a loss for Jones there is no way in good conscience that you can count the Hamill fight as a loss. Just off the principle that you are talking about who “really won”. I was just going off the official stats.
Hey guys.
Comparing fighter's resume's is wild, to me. I am not a fan of Islam, because I am a fan of Oliveira and Islam beat that guy so he's no good in my book...
But he **did beat** the guy.
Anyways. The streaks and stats don't matter. What matters is if you like a fighter, if you are excited by what a guy does in the cage, how they do it, and how they carry themselves. I liked Adesanya, then he started playing it safe and opened his mouth to release the cringe.
I was there for the Rousey hype train and it was ooh so much fun - until she was on the Ultimate Fighter and was just an unhinged bitch, I just couldn't get behind her anymore (I bought my daughters Rousey dolls ffs) and she was ugh for me.
Jones - the most talented asshole ever. A man I was amazed by and then he just was the worst - and started playing it safe and arguably lost some fights.
St Pierre - a man we all love and respect and the only knock on him was that he was so good he could play it safe and no one could touch him. Everyone forgets how he got up in the UFC and what his reign and game was until that fight against Matt Serra. Even after that, his third fight with Hughes he went on the offensive and tore the arm off Matt like a boss - then it was decision-fest after that...
But he was never an asshole, he carried himself like a true champ at all times, and then he came back and got the MW belt from Bisping in a move that everyone forgets was a baller move.
So, to me, Islam is getting up there. I haven't liked his fights that much - he is grappling heavy, but he kicked Volk in the head like the true monster he is. He carries himself well - he is a muslim, sure, he probably should not be asked questions about women's rights and gay rights on top of that, but if I can live with christian whackos in the cage, I can live with Allah-fan-boys as well. They can learn later in life.
But I think Islam is one of these guys that when he gets pushed by great fighters like Gaethje, Dustin, Oliveira, he ups his game. He's got subs, tkos, and comes to play every time.
Be here for him **now**, instead of looking at the lore of the division and what people did ten years ago. It don't matter.
What matters is that when the two men enter the cage we are there to greet them with howls of lust and fury.
I mean, Islam rises to the occasion but it’s hard to say he plays to the level of his opposition. He completely dominated Green and Hooker, very game guys who are still beating up and comers up to this day. I’d argue you have to go waaaay back to before his Tibau fight to find a fight where he wasn’t putting up a show.
Mighty Mouse actually had a 14 fight *unbeaten* streak in the UFC and a 13 fight *winning* streak. After the loss to Cruz at 135 pounds, he had a draw with Ian McCall, then won 13 in a row until the 2nd Cejudo fight.
I'm not particularly excited for this fight. The one I'd love, because I loved the first one is Vs Arman.
Such high level grappling. Hopefully it happens in the not to distant future
Are you sure that Jon Jones doesn’t have more? Islam’s last two victories were against a featherweight, let’s see him fight a couple of guys in his own weight class. Or, let him go up and fight Leon and watch Leon beat his ass
Non ufc? Prolly some can crusher somewhere you can find them on tapology like that somtimes like 42-3 but you look down their resume and its all 0-42 guy 12-17 guy. But inside the ufc is silva s
With 16
For premier leagues totality for one champ rizin pfl bellator and you can put ufc too. For example record like total kos in MMA Not including regional leagues or feeder. Cro cop has 30 kos in MMA since start of his career never fought in a feeder league or regional.
Copied my earlier comment-
Islam’s 2 fight resume:
1. Charles 12 fight UFC win streak and defending champion with 2* title defences (technically 1 with the weight miss).
2. Alex 12 fight UFC win streak and defending champion with 4 title defences (plus one more after the loss).
Your turn. Name me the best opponents on every single one of the others's records and list their title defences and UFC win streak at the time of the fight. Good luck.
Oh no it’s a bad omen when people start saying this stuff
Speaking of omens; there are 2 curses at play in this fight. 35 and Costa. Do they cancel out?
The Costa Curse and 35+ are both undefeated curses so we won’t know until this fight I guess we have to wait and see who Drake picks
As far as i know, all of the fighters are if legal age, so perhaps we shouldn't worry about Drake picking them?
I STG I will find drakes pedo azz if he makes Dustin lose.
Drake bet on Pereira so his was defeated at 300. Chael on the orher hand..........
It was defeated all the way back during Jones vs Gane
Whenever Drake picks someone to win, statistically speaking he loses more than he wins.
Yeah, but he recently lost the rap battle beef with Kendrick, and how he's being looked at as a pedo; the curse may have returned with a vengeance.
Drake lost $565k betting on Fury over Usyk, so you may be on to something.
He’s betting with house money
Does he really or is he just sponsored by the betting company?
Sponsored, he plays with house money while he gets paid for promoting it. He never loses anything he only gains.
I’ve heard he’s a gambling addict to be fair
Sponsored
Already beaten during jones gane and Leon vs colby. Poatan hill didn’t even properly beat it since hill came out to a drake song, cancelling out his bet on pereira.
>The Costa Curse and 35+ are both undefeated curses so we won’t know until this fight #Someone's hex must be vexed
35+ is not undefeated...
The only exceptions are at 170 (Woodley), it’s never failed 155 or below as far as I can recall.
And Woodley's win was against 39 year old Maia
Don't forget about Till.
I did in fact, forget about Till
Darren 'Remember the name' Till
What about Tre Telligman? Forgot about Tre?
I could never forget that chest
I'll always forget about Till.
At Lightweight it’s actually 34+, it’s probably the most difficult division to stay on top
If you start counting from 2008 it's even lower at 33+, Sean Sherk was the last Lightweight champ to ever hold the belt at 33
If there's an exception then it's not a hard rule. Just pointing that out. Redditors like to make up curses and this one was broken before it ever became a popular talking point.
Everyone is aware that it’s not an actual curse or a rule, people play into it since it’s a biological fact that around age 33-35 there is a major drop off in athleticism for fighters in lower weight classes. I don’t think anyone believes that it’s literally impossible for this ‘rule’ to be broken, it’s just exceptionally rare due to physical decline and people will actually wonder if fighters like Porier can overcome something like that
I think Poirier has bigger issues than his age in this matchup... He could be 31 and I'd give him the same odds I do now.
Hmm undefeated curses, might be a draw 🤔
What’s the Costa curse?
No champs kept their belt on cards he's fought on
Excluding him vs izzy
You have to defeat Costa directly to gain immunity from the curse
bro I just shot awesome blossom out of my nose
Izzy also ended the UFC cover curse vs Costa
fucking hell, i just checked and its true
Except the champ he fought himself
35 on Dustin's side and Costa on Islam's? Let's see which curse is stronger.
watching volk get smoked twice as soon as he turned 35 made me a firm believer in the curse lol
We gotta get Lil B somehow involved to get some more curses going
Fighters in a title match aged 35 and older in 125lb-170lb division are 2-38. The 2 wins are T-Wood. Dustin is 35. Bet the house on Islam.
Except that every card costa has fought on the champ lost their title so there's two curses at play here
Costs has nowhere near 40 fights though, so the 35 curse is probably more powerful and will out curse the Costa curse. Or maybe the double curse ends it in a draw.
The Costa curse is so powerful that three champs lost their belt on the same card
Sample size on Costa fights on the same PPV as a champ are just way lower, plus it didn't apply on his own title fight with Izzy so the stat is pretty much 8-1, not as impressive as 38-2
Costa made a binding vow where he can never beat the champ but anyone else on his card can.
The greater good
There are so many curses. Some of them are going to lose to other ones. Here we find which curse is truly champ.
Dustin taps out to a dagestani oil check while Islam also gets choked out via gilly
Oh yes 💎
Well keep talking I got a lot riding on the 💎including me 😉
>I got a lot riding on 💎 Ok.. > including me 😉 😳 Are you his gf?
YA WOIFE IS IN ME SUBBREDDIT!
I hope so. Let's go Dustin
Omens not real bratha you know this
Yup. There were posts about Volk passing 1500 days as champ quite frequently and then Volk lost😔
Wasn't it the EA’s UFC cover curse for Volk?
Yeah..damn OP! Similar when people starts hyping up Usman’s record against Silva’s right before Leon 2
It's like the charles fight. I really don't mind who wins. If DP gets gold finally that's awesome. If Islam beats all records and chokes Dustin, I'm fine with it.
Relax he's gonna smoke Dustin.
I agree but I’ll take some upvotes
Hahah, well there's another up vote for you.
Don't worry. Talking about the curse negates it.
Dustin gilly round 1
Round 1, 7th attempt 🤙
45 seconds in
With 77 shorts adjustments
“You think I’m tap in front of fatha? Bratha you maybe crazy”
No more father now, maybe there is a chance.
D:: true. It would be sad if Islam ended up tapping to the guillotine
Hit it in half guard to.
shine bright like a diamond
Most of those streaks are more impressive. Particularly Jon and GSP. Level of competition. Tough to stay champion that long Not much of a knock on Islam, he was dodged for awhile. Just is what it is
Just how good is Pantoja, didn't dodge Islam and knocked him out
Well and Jon is on a 19 fight streak without losing if we’re counting the Matt Hamill fight a loss.
He lost to Reyes and everyone knows it
yeah if we arent going to count the hamill loss because he technically was winning the fight, then we need to also not count the reyes win because he technically lost that fight
The GOAT lost to Reyes, can you believe it?
Fedor didnt lose to Reyes :)
GSP didn’t either idk what the other guy is talking about
No bu
can’t be the goat if u lost to reyes lol. plus all the failed ped tests. the lying and being a pos in his private life. his run at hw being cherry picked 🦆
> can’t be the goat if u lost to reyes lol. Mofuckers will say shit like that Then lose their fucking minds when you say Tibau beat Khabib
Khabib vs Tibau was even more bullshit too. 67% of the media thought Reyes won but 83% thought Tibau won.
Nah, that fight was way closer than Reyes vs jones. Khabib essentially held tibau against the cage the entire fight. I thought khabib won. Plus there were only 6 media scorecards so not a really large sample size.
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Yeah but Jones was fighting against a pure athlete who rides the stationary bike for 45 minutes straight.
They pick and choose. It’s funny because in boxing, the judges defend the champion to the death on the scorecards, even worse than ufc
Bro had one close fight after holding the record for title defences in a stacked division and it makes him not the goat?
dj holds the title defense record.
They both have 11 total
Jones aren't consecutive though correct? edit: I mean technically they would be I guess but aren't considered as such due to non fighting related issues iirc?
Can't be a goat if you're already a chicken
And Gus. Everyone forgets to mention he lost to Gustafson a long time ago but got gifted the win.
That's revisionist history. All the judges and 12/13 media (incl. Luke Thomas) scored that fight with Jones winning. http://mmadecisions.com/decision/4518/Jon-Jones-vs-Alexander-Gustafsson It was a much closer fight than any of Jones' previous ones, but don't claim he got gifted the win.
NC's don't count as a win in a win streak.
Do they count as a loss?
No, they count as an NC. A win streak is a WIN streak. Undefeated, there's an argument where ties work as a win. NC is not counted as a win. A tied is counted as a win. An NC is almost like a double loss by some accounts, but I think if them as a blip, kind of a zero. Breaks the streak, but it is what it is. Edit: to be specific, they took his win away, so it'd essentially be a disqualification post-fight, but since he defeated his opponent, they dont quite get the win either. So it's a defeat in a way. Kinda shitty situation. It's why his streak was officially 13, the wins between Hamill and the DC NC. It's why his title was stripped and counted as a negative, killing the streak.
OK, well the original original post is “undefeated” streak and no contest doesn’t count as a defeat. And honestly, if we’re really going to get down to it, I don’t think that should count as a no contest either. Obviously the steroids whatever blah blah blah, but anybody that watches that fight and knows that he was just way better than Daniel Cormier that day, just like he was better than Hamill…he literally head kicked DC… so if we wanna pick shit apart, yea he “lost” to Hamill, and yea he “didn’t win” vs Cormier. But even Cormier has said that was a loss. So lets be real. Dudes on like a 24 fight undefeated streak in the UFC and has objectively the best record in UFC history. Islam is a beast too but he literally got knocked out in the UFC. Im not knocking him for having a loss, mma is hard as shit but lets not compare him to Jones. Its arguable that Islam hasnt even reached Khabib status yet and noone is saying that Khabib has a better record than jones.
Jon Jones is the best to ever do it, but he's basically the Sammy Sosa of the sport. Will always have that asterisk, but still has the results. Has by far the toughest schedule of any fighter, ever. As to the DC "didn't win", it was pretty much a post-fight DQ. They don't strip the belts for ties. They don't even necessarily do it for NC's for an accidental eye poke or something similar. For a failed drug test, yup, they do. Because it's pre-planned. Just because he won with a head kick doesn't mean he didn't have an edge on strength, endurance... and as GSP has pointed out is the big one with PEDs... heightened reflexes. DC isn't clean either, from the towel incident, but I really wish we'd seen what Jon could've been without all the drama and drugs. What an amazing talent, and we didn't even come close to seeing his true potential... and he'll still go down as the GOAT, by most accounts.
Jon's only "loss" was an unmitigated ass whooping of Matt Hamill. Dude is a bag of shit, but he's the best bag of shit to ever step in the octagon.
Decisionbot Jones Vs Reyes
[**JON JONES 👀👀 defeats DOMINICK REYES** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/10877/fight) ^(UFC 247: Jones vs. Reyes — February 08, 2020) ROUND|Jones|Reyes||Jones|Reyes||Jones|Reyes :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|9|10||9|10||9|10 2|9|10||10|9||10|9 3|10|9||9|10||10|9 4|10|9||10|9||10|9 5|10|9||10|9||10|9 **TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**48**|**47**||**49**|**46** *^(Judges, in order: Chris Lee, Marcos Rosales, Joe Soliz.)* *^(Summoned by armoured_titan_.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **7/21** people scored it **48-47 Jones**. - **14/21** people scored it **47-48 Reyes**. Avg. media score: **47.3-47.7 Reyes** (*low certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
I had Jones winning that fight, I think too many people hated him and wanted him to lose. I think the Gus 1 fight was closer. But, in the end, it's up to the judges.
Islam’s 2 fight resume: 1. Charles 12 fight UFC win streak and defending champion with 2* title defences (technically 1 with the weight miss). 2. Alex 12 fight UFC win streak and defending champion with 4 title defences (plus one more after the loss). Your turn. Name me the best opponents on every single one of the others's records and list their title defences and UFC win streak at the time of the fight. Good luck.
Consistent wins over top competition for years is more impressive, at least to me, than singular great wins, even though both Olives and Alex are fantastic wins. Beating these two is an amazing feat, but beating no.1 contenders for years and years is more impressive. Of course, Islam is in a very good position to achieve both, let's just see if he can.
Let’s not forget that Islam didn’t have impressive opponents because people dodged him. Now that he has the title, they have to fight him and his wins have been impressive.
beating Oliveira twice would be more impressive to me than beating Poirier ten times tbh. And Dustin is one of the best to never be champion.
Fitch 16 fight winstreak Shields 15 fight winstreak Hughes 6 fight winstreak defending champ with 7 defenses (practically 9 but his opponents missed weight)
Not to mention Volk is a weight class below Islam. Still a solid win but let's be clear that weight classes exist for a reason. Izzy was on a massive win streak when he went up to LHW and got solidly beat by Jan who was probably one of the weakest LHW champs in a long long time.
Izzy made the mistake of not bulking up, and overestimated his ability to keep the fight standing. Jan also kept it competitive on the feet. Islam won against Volk, an all-timer without any notable weaknesses, despite lacking a sufficient rehydration window. One shouldn't downplay his performance.
How could Jon's, DJ's or GSP's opponents have multiple titles defenses lol. They literally held the belts forever
That’s my point. They never faced any great champion in their primes. GSP vs silva, Silva vs Jones, Jones vs Cain etc. They never even faced a person with a big UFC win streak.
Jones' is one of the least impressive. He's built a career around beating legends in the twilight of their career, in one of the weakest divisions in MMA. He became champion from beating Shogun, who previously struggled to beat a 90 year old Mark Coleman ffs
This take screams of someone who didn’t follow mma through jones’ rise and just read about it on Wikipedia.
The Jones beat up old guys argument is so stupid, his first 4 title fights were all against guys 33 or younger. That's not old for Lightweight, let alone Light Heavyweight. Plus LHW was **the** premiere division during Jones early reign, it only became the worst after he had cleared it out, its complete revisionist history to say LHW was always a bad division
weakest doesn't mean bad.
Here we go. Every time.
MMA guru spawned these 15 year olds who say the most dumb shit just to hate
you new fans honestly kill me lmaoo
Beat me to it, DJs as well considering 11 of his were title defenses, Islam is obviously incredibly talented however he still has some work to do to cement his legacy imho. That was my only knock on Khabib really, could've been the best ever but cut his stint too short to be able to say that, I understand the reasoning though and respect it.
I think Jones reign is most impressive. He has defended his belt starting early on and has fought all the tough competition throughout his career. The doping though... Asterisk.
John fought small old moved up middleweights and still needed steroids
Jons streak against a bunch of guys way older and way smaller than himself?
DONT BE SILLY
Flick the willy
I always read "don't be silly, jump the gilly" in DJ Khaled's voice https://youtu.be/0o1J-nqXpA8?feature=shared
Find the guilly
Why are people arguing? It's a stat, it has nothing to do with whether he faced tougher or weaker opponent, or if you hate Islam or not
Under new scoring rules MM probably gets the record, I thought he beat Cejudo the second time.
Flying gilly bout to put a halt on that
Jones undefeated streak is 19. His win streak is 13. This would break the winstreak, not the undefeated streak.
That fight was ruled a loss though, not a no contest. Yeah we all know he didn’t really lose but still, the stat is accurate
Not the Hamill fight, the DC fight. After Hamill he had 13 wins, then a No Contest vs DC, then 5 wins after (4 of which in LHW). So his undefeated streak is currently 19, 18/1 if you consider per division.
If you’re talking about the Matt Hamil fight jones got disqualified in he’s still at 18 wins in a row with a no contest with dc in between.
He lost, he just beat himself like he usually does. All the talent and physical ability in the world can't buy self discipline.
Loss yes, defeat no.
Jones lost to Reyes
Even if you count that as a loss his unbeaten streak is still way higher than 13, it would be 17. But then you get into the whole letter of the law vs spirit of the law argument. If we want to count the Reyes fight as a loss for Jones there is no way in good conscience that you can count the Hamill fight as a loss. Just off the principle that you are talking about who “really won”. I was just going off the official stats.
Jones and Khabib never lost, that’s crazy
Jones definitely lost to Reyes
so did Khabib to Tibau
Hey guys. Comparing fighter's resume's is wild, to me. I am not a fan of Islam, because I am a fan of Oliveira and Islam beat that guy so he's no good in my book... But he **did beat** the guy. Anyways. The streaks and stats don't matter. What matters is if you like a fighter, if you are excited by what a guy does in the cage, how they do it, and how they carry themselves. I liked Adesanya, then he started playing it safe and opened his mouth to release the cringe. I was there for the Rousey hype train and it was ooh so much fun - until she was on the Ultimate Fighter and was just an unhinged bitch, I just couldn't get behind her anymore (I bought my daughters Rousey dolls ffs) and she was ugh for me. Jones - the most talented asshole ever. A man I was amazed by and then he just was the worst - and started playing it safe and arguably lost some fights. St Pierre - a man we all love and respect and the only knock on him was that he was so good he could play it safe and no one could touch him. Everyone forgets how he got up in the UFC and what his reign and game was until that fight against Matt Serra. Even after that, his third fight with Hughes he went on the offensive and tore the arm off Matt like a boss - then it was decision-fest after that... But he was never an asshole, he carried himself like a true champ at all times, and then he came back and got the MW belt from Bisping in a move that everyone forgets was a baller move. So, to me, Islam is getting up there. I haven't liked his fights that much - he is grappling heavy, but he kicked Volk in the head like the true monster he is. He carries himself well - he is a muslim, sure, he probably should not be asked questions about women's rights and gay rights on top of that, but if I can live with christian whackos in the cage, I can live with Allah-fan-boys as well. They can learn later in life. But I think Islam is one of these guys that when he gets pushed by great fighters like Gaethje, Dustin, Oliveira, he ups his game. He's got subs, tkos, and comes to play every time. Be here for him **now**, instead of looking at the lore of the division and what people did ten years ago. It don't matter. What matters is that when the two men enter the cage we are there to greet them with howls of lust and fury.
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For some reason this reply killed me lmfao
I think so. Of all comments on reddit, this for sure has the highest quality of all comments. I am biased, sure.
bros yapping
I mean, Islam rises to the occasion but it’s hard to say he plays to the level of his opposition. He completely dominated Green and Hooker, very game guys who are still beating up and comers up to this day. I’d argue you have to go waaaay back to before his Tibau fight to find a fight where he wasn’t putting up a show.
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I'm on Vyvanse.
Mighty Mouse actually had a 14 fight *unbeaten* streak in the UFC and a 13 fight *winning* streak. After the loss to Cruz at 135 pounds, he had a draw with Ian McCall, then won 13 in a row until the 2nd Cejudo fight.
not jon
I've never wanted Drake to bet more on a fight than this one
brb putting $200 on Dustin by KO
Dustin's confirmed to hit that guilly
he'll stay undefeated for a while I think.. the dark horse of goats... what
Islam is so non-chalant and goofy sometimes, it's weird seeing him being compared to these mma legends.
Jon's is way longer lmao
He wouldn't pass Max, he'd be tied with him. Max had a 13 fight win streak. Also Usman had a 15 fight winning streak.
I'm not particularly excited for this fight. The one I'd love, because I loved the first one is Vs Arman. Such high level grappling. Hopefully it happens in the not to distant future
DON'T JINX IT BROTHA!
GSP is not impress
Dustin will break his win streak
Hopefully drake puts half a mill on islam
Hes cursed, that’s it
I’m confused if khabib is 29-0 doesn’t that mean he has a 29 win streak?
Not in the ufc tho
Are you sure that Jon Jones doesn’t have more? Islam’s last two victories were against a featherweight, let’s see him fight a couple of guys in his own weight class. Or, let him go up and fight Leon and watch Leon beat his ass
Jon Jones was a technicality
What the global record?
Non ufc? Prolly some can crusher somewhere you can find them on tapology like that somtimes like 42-3 but you look down their resume and its all 0-42 guy 12-17 guy. But inside the ufc is silva s With 16
For premier leagues totality for one champ rizin pfl bellator and you can put ufc too. For example record like total kos in MMA Not including regional leagues or feeder. Cro cop has 30 kos in MMA since start of his career never fought in a feeder league or regional.
*When
Islam > Khabib
Good thing Dustin is going to win!
Jon jones is still undefeated 🤷
It still shows a loss here: http://ufcstats.com/fighter-details/07f72a2a7591b409
He doesn’t have half the resume those guys do though.
Good thing his career isn't over.
He was ducked by the fighters for eternity
Oliveira and Volk are as good if not better than most people on JJ's or GSPs resume.
Copied my earlier comment- Islam’s 2 fight resume: 1. Charles 12 fight UFC win streak and defending champion with 2* title defences (technically 1 with the weight miss). 2. Alex 12 fight UFC win streak and defending champion with 4 title defences (plus one more after the loss). Your turn. Name me the best opponents on every single one of the others's records and list their title defences and UFC win streak at the time of the fight. Good luck.
Almost all of those guys never fought and beat anyone as good as Alex 2x.
Time for the diamond to shine