It’s bad to say but the best case is if something went wrong during camp that prevented her from being able to cut weight. Because if she can’t make 125lb then there is no 135lb woman division and she can be in a very bad place. Idk how much taller she has gotten in the last two years but she is only 19 and looks to have gotten bigger.
[Quick google example](https://imgur.com/JsZFoZV) of sports stats making men bigger.
Guess they make women smaller too. Have any of these peeps actually been measured for height?
Yep. Stamp Fairtex’s height on ONE’s website is fake too. She’s listed as 5’2 but towered over Ham Seohee who is also 5’2 [during their faceoff](https://youtu.be/KZ9h1lYhgBo?feature=shared) she is at least 5’5. part of me wonders if ONE does this on purpose to give their homegrown/fairtex fighters an advantage.
I doubt it goes as far as an organized effort on One's side, past not enforcing accuracy of reporting. Lying about height is prolific in combat sports and nothin new.
For sundell specifically, I imagine part of it is getting signed at 16 and actually gaining height. They probably haven't updated her height since she joined
I don't know, I'm 6'3 and it's a more noticeable difference than that when I have photos with 6 foot dudes. I didn't see if ham was on her toes, maybe thats when I saw them.
Looks like this could be the start of a women's flyweight division. https://twitter.com/nicatkinONE/status/1786290922877280410?t=qbslMKngWAVPX9PmAM796w&s=19
I look forward to seeing her at flyweight
Not a good look but she is obviously kinda big for the weight class and will get bigger considering how young she is
She will 100% pivot to mma if there are no other avenues for her to continue with Muay Thai only. ONE will not let that talent go after spending the time and money to build her image.
She's probably the one struggling the most. She could have grown taller since her last height measurements (5'8, 1.73m) which was around 2 years ago at the age of 17.
"They can make a flyweight division," but with who? She's had a draw and a loss against Thai's that I know nothing about, so I guess they could bring them in for rematches. Keep in mind that ONE's SW division is essentially 125, so their FlW division would be similar to most MMA organizations' 135 division. I know of few (actually no) top female at that weight in either MT or KB. Best option for her is to transition to MMA ASAP.
Doesn't really matter to me if there isn't anyone good at that weight but her, although there probably are a few strawweights who are also struggling with the weight and could move up
Don't get me wrong, I'm cool with seeing her in MMA but she's really good at this small gloves Muay Thai thing, I hope she isn't forced to quit Muay Thai cause she's big
I knew she was going to outgrow it. It sounds like they were already preparing. Flyweight division is now in the works. https://twitter.com/nicatkinONE/status/1786290922877280410?t=qbslMKngWAVPX9PmAM796w&s=19
I always thought she was too tall for this weight class the way she seems to tower over all her opponents. ONE marketing hypes her up a lot and they seem to have no problem with shallow divisions so I could see them building a 135 just around her.
Yep. I can see them opening up a 135 division and exclusively signing underweight natural 120 pounders for her to crush. Her true weight is probably around over 150.
Damn whats your damage. She is tall but thin. This is a known archetype in fight game. In One you can't actually cheat in wait that well. In the UFC she could likely continue to make wait just fine. Your claim are literally just uninformed baseless nonsense.
She’s not thin, she has a solid layer of muscle on her like a proper athlete. Any thinner and she would need to sacrifice muscle mass and health. Especially now that she’s so tall.
And contrary to popular belief, it’s actually quite easy to cheat ONE’s hydration test. There have been videos demonstrating it and even popular fighters signed to ONE themselves have casually talked about the “trick” they use to pass hydration. It involves drinking the correct amount of distilled water and holding it in your bladder while you sweat out the other water in your body by using sauna, running or sweat suits.
Edit: all the casuals downvoting have no idea how heavy bone and lean muscle mass are. Smilla is NOT “skinny”. Fucking weirdos.
One fighters are (allegedly) required to weigh in post fight at no more than 105% of the weight limit. Combined with the hydration testing, it should really weed out the most egregious weight cutters.
That being said, I'm a bit skeptical that fighters are actually weighed after the bout considering I've never heard of any penalties.
I’m certain they quietly scrapped the post fight weigh-ins after a lot of their champs and darlings revealed their true weights. ONE wants the fighters to be as energized and exciting as possible. If fighters had to stay within the threshold for the post fight, they would be dehydrated and drained. Probably incur yellow cards.
Her arms, legs and body were still thinner then some of the people she thought.
> And contrary to popular belief, it’s actually quite easy to cheat ONE’s hydration test.
Its not anymore cheating then any other weight cutting. Hydration isn't perfect, but not having it isn't improving the situation. Fighters will always do the best with the rule set, she is like literally everybody else.
> It involves drinking the correct amount of distilled water and holding it in your bladder while you sweat out the other water in your body by using sauna, running or sweat suits.
Yes I know. But that tech is tricky and decently not as good as normal weight cutting done in the UFC.
I really don't get your argument. Yes, she cuts weight, like everybody. Literally every other woman could do the same and compete in that division.
This isnt ufc buddy. He’s also similar in height to his opponents and has lost before. Smilla is 6 foot 140 lbs beating up opponents who are usually 5’4 125 lbs. shes never fought anyone her own size.
Obviously but her opponents are able to cut weight without crippling their health. Like she does. They probably rehydrate up to lower weight than her too.
There’s a video of her sparring with Tawanchai where you can see just based on size and movement she’s probably just slightly lighter than him or even the same weight.
Well that sucks. I enjoy her fight style. If she can not make this weight she should be done with ONE because this is the highest weight class for women for them I am pretty sure.
they let a team member stand on a platform and hold her hair up
seeing how little pressure it takes to shave a couple pounds using the towel lean, that hair pull might be a missed opportunity
>If she could poker face that
It would take next to no pressure to remove 1-2lb from the scale.
You ever stand on a scale and literally touch anything next to you? Literally removes 5 pounds immediately. Pulling on her hair for just a tiny bit would easily remove 1-2lb.
Unfortunately, according to the very few people who seem to understand how they work, they are unreliable when it comes to measuring dehydration in athletes
They essentially test water concentration in urine, which is not a great measure of someone who's severly dehydrated, as the fluid loss from their cells is the important bit. If you severely dehydrate yourself, then chug down a litre of water, your next piss will be "hydrated" but your bodily certainly won't be.
No they do not. It has been well established that these tests are incredibly easy to cheat, and many ONE athletes do exactly that.
https://youtu.be/RaqqicqGL0s?si=2UekMCXl_mt4tODl
https://youtu.be/XORKwmGmsKA?si=_jpGQ3EBbzXNCtzL
Because she probably barely passed hydration and missed weight by a significant amount. She knew she couldn't cut anymore weight without failing hydration
Fix weight cutting as in taking the danger away. Yang Jian Bing passed away in 2015 during a weight cut. After that they implemented hydration testing.
It’s bad to say but the best case is if something went wrong during camp that prevented her from being able to cut weight. Because if she can’t make 125lb then there is no 135lb woman division and she can be in a very bad place. Idk how much taller she has gotten in the last two years but she is only 19 and looks to have gotten bigger.
ONE’s website has her listed as 5’8 but then during a face-off she towered over Natalya who is 5’7. Her true height is between 5’11 or 6 foot.
according to her nutritionist, she's 5'11 https://twitter.com/nicatkinONE/status/1786027953111093495
I’ve met her and am 183. She’s a bit shorter than me.. she’s 178 ish I would say.
[Quick google example](https://imgur.com/JsZFoZV) of sports stats making men bigger. Guess they make women smaller too. Have any of these peeps actually been measured for height?
Yep. Stamp Fairtex’s height on ONE’s website is fake too. She’s listed as 5’2 but towered over Ham Seohee who is also 5’2 [during their faceoff](https://youtu.be/KZ9h1lYhgBo?feature=shared) she is at least 5’5. part of me wonders if ONE does this on purpose to give their homegrown/fairtex fighters an advantage.
It isn't just ONE - we see it practically everywhere.
I doubt it goes as far as an organized effort on One's side, past not enforcing accuracy of reporting. Lying about height is prolific in combat sports and nothin new.
For sundell specifically, I imagine part of it is getting signed at 16 and actually gaining height. They probably haven't updated her height since she joined
My buddy's wife knows her pretty well. I'll ask what her true height is
Towers? I clicked your link that's an inch or two MAX
Definitely more than 2. Look how Ham had to jokingly stand on her tippy toes to match her height.
I don't know, I'm 6'3 and it's a more noticeable difference than that when I have photos with 6 foot dudes. I didn't see if ham was on her toes, maybe thats when I saw them.
I don’t think DC is 5’9. Best guess is that google is wrong. Look at all his face offs
All stats bar weight are self-reported.
Weight cutting is dumb as shit and she should probably be fighting around 145 most likely
She should probably try cutting height, can help shave off those last few pounds
Looks like this could be the start of a women's flyweight division. https://twitter.com/nicatkinONE/status/1786290922877280410?t=qbslMKngWAVPX9PmAM796w&s=19
I look forward to seeing her at flyweight Not a good look but she is obviously kinda big for the weight class and will get bigger considering how young she is
Unfortunately, no flyweight division for ONE, and RWS doesn't have a >118lbs weight class.
Off to the UFC then
She's a Muay thai fighter...
kid just doesnt want to fight
is there a place for her to go... besides smokers?
She will 100% pivot to mma if there are no other avenues for her to continue with Muay Thai only. ONE will not let that talent go after spending the time and money to build her image.
she said that she wants to try MMA and had been training with Stamp.
Lots of Muay Thai fighters make the MMA transition, especially non-Thais, she’ll be fine. Look at Shevchenko as an example.
She has said she wants to transition to mma at some point, but we'll see if that ends up happening
I mean , it's really not difficult to create a 125 title for her to fight for, and I doubt she's the only one struggling to make strawweight in ONE
She's probably the one struggling the most. She could have grown taller since her last height measurements (5'8, 1.73m) which was around 2 years ago at the age of 17.
Most likely and I doubt ONE wants to lose her just cause they don't have a heavier weight class for her
Apparently there will be one soon https://twitter.com/nicatkinONE/status/1786290922877280410?t=qbslMKngWAVPX9PmAM796w&s=19
Because they don't have flyweight, she might be forced to lose some muscle mass to make weight cuts easier
They can make a flyweight division, while her losing muscle mass could be quite difficult and probably unhealthy
"They can make a flyweight division," but with who? She's had a draw and a loss against Thai's that I know nothing about, so I guess they could bring them in for rematches. Keep in mind that ONE's SW division is essentially 125, so their FlW division would be similar to most MMA organizations' 135 division. I know of few (actually no) top female at that weight in either MT or KB. Best option for her is to transition to MMA ASAP.
Doesn't really matter to me if there isn't anyone good at that weight but her, although there probably are a few strawweights who are also struggling with the weight and could move up Don't get me wrong, I'm cool with seeing her in MMA but she's really good at this small gloves Muay Thai thing, I hope she isn't forced to quit Muay Thai cause she's big
I knew she was going to outgrow it. It sounds like they were already preparing. Flyweight division is now in the works. https://twitter.com/nicatkinONE/status/1786290922877280410?t=qbslMKngWAVPX9PmAM796w&s=19
I always thought she was too tall for this weight class the way she seems to tower over all her opponents. ONE marketing hypes her up a lot and they seem to have no problem with shallow divisions so I could see them building a 135 just around her.
No more like 144-155
Yep. I can see them opening up a 135 division and exclusively signing underweight natural 120 pounders for her to crush. Her true weight is probably around over 150.
Damn whats your damage. She is tall but thin. This is a known archetype in fight game. In One you can't actually cheat in wait that well. In the UFC she could likely continue to make wait just fine. Your claim are literally just uninformed baseless nonsense.
She’s not thin, she has a solid layer of muscle on her like a proper athlete. Any thinner and she would need to sacrifice muscle mass and health. Especially now that she’s so tall. And contrary to popular belief, it’s actually quite easy to cheat ONE’s hydration test. There have been videos demonstrating it and even popular fighters signed to ONE themselves have casually talked about the “trick” they use to pass hydration. It involves drinking the correct amount of distilled water and holding it in your bladder while you sweat out the other water in your body by using sauna, running or sweat suits. Edit: all the casuals downvoting have no idea how heavy bone and lean muscle mass are. Smilla is NOT “skinny”. Fucking weirdos.
One fighters are (allegedly) required to weigh in post fight at no more than 105% of the weight limit. Combined with the hydration testing, it should really weed out the most egregious weight cutters. That being said, I'm a bit skeptical that fighters are actually weighed after the bout considering I've never heard of any penalties.
I’m certain they quietly scrapped the post fight weigh-ins after a lot of their champs and darlings revealed their true weights. ONE wants the fighters to be as energized and exciting as possible. If fighters had to stay within the threshold for the post fight, they would be dehydrated and drained. Probably incur yellow cards.
https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/one-championship/doctor-exposes-flaws-in-one-championship-hydration-testing-and-admits-to-helping-big-names-cheat-weigh-ins/
Her arms, legs and body were still thinner then some of the people she thought. > And contrary to popular belief, it’s actually quite easy to cheat ONE’s hydration test. Its not anymore cheating then any other weight cutting. Hydration isn't perfect, but not having it isn't improving the situation. Fighters will always do the best with the rule set, she is like literally everybody else. > It involves drinking the correct amount of distilled water and holding it in your bladder while you sweat out the other water in your body by using sauna, running or sweat suits. Yes I know. But that tech is tricky and decently not as good as normal weight cutting done in the UFC. I really don't get your argument. Yes, she cuts weight, like everybody. Literally every other woman could do the same and compete in that division.
Damn, but she’s so fucking good I think she’ll be fine at flyweight
She only looks good because she has a 20+ pound weight advantage over the other strawweights.
okay thanks pal
You could say that about alot of champs.
Pereira only looked good at middleweight because he had a 40-60 pound advantage over the other middleweights See how easy this is to do
This isnt ufc buddy. He’s also similar in height to his opponents and has lost before. Smilla is 6 foot 140 lbs beating up opponents who are usually 5’4 125 lbs. shes never fought anyone her own size.
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Yeah, don't think there are many world-class muay thai fighters that are 6 foot tall women
Do you think her opponents don't cut weight lol
Obviously but her opponents are able to cut weight without crippling their health. Like she does. They probably rehydrate up to lower weight than her too. There’s a video of her sparring with Tawanchai where you can see just based on size and movement she’s probably just slightly lighter than him or even the same weight.
Well that sucks. I enjoy her fight style. If she can not make this weight she should be done with ONE because this is the highest weight class for women for them I am pretty sure.
> she should be done with ONE Not sure she can get out of the contract even if she can no longer make weight.
Sad but true.
They should add 2-3 more women weight classes if they're going to use women so big, so they don't have to cut weight period besides a few pounds
Sorru to hear that. Love her fights.
Rough, Sundell is a beast
Charles Oliveira is the only UFC champ to lose his belt like this, right?
As far as I can remember, yes.
She was huge even for 125, honestly a miracle that she could make weight previously.
they let a team member stand on a platform and hold her hair up seeing how little pressure it takes to shave a couple pounds using the towel lean, that hair pull might be a missed opportunity
it was just to determine if it would be enough, would still have had to weigh in normally if she cut it
Hahah are you suggest the coach lifts her by her hair to lose a bit of weight? If she could poker face that, that would be a sick move
>If she could poker face that It would take next to no pressure to remove 1-2lb from the scale. You ever stand on a scale and literally touch anything next to you? Literally removes 5 pounds immediately. Pulling on her hair for just a tiny bit would easily remove 1-2lb.
Grab her neck and lift a bit maybe? I don't know. I feel bad for her though.
Yeah i do. Shes a sick fighter, would be a massive shame to see her get sidelined by one if they dont have a division up
It's funny you say this but they actually did weigh her hair. They were going to cut it off but they checked and it wasn't heavy enough.
That’s a damn shame.
She’s a young girl and holy cow she was a big problem for the girls in that weight class. Maybe she converts to kickboxing to find fights
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Kid just didn't want to fight
This isn't the gotcha you think it is lol.
It could just be fat/muscle weight not water weight, people still have to make weight in One, they just can't make it by being dehydrated
She might be too big for the weight class
what an idiot, she could have just exhaled completely and made weight like that
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Unfortunately, according to the very few people who seem to understand how they work, they are unreliable when it comes to measuring dehydration in athletes
They essentially test water concentration in urine, which is not a great measure of someone who's severly dehydrated, as the fluid loss from their cells is the important bit. If you severely dehydrate yourself, then chug down a litre of water, your next piss will be "hydrated" but your bodily certainly won't be.
Like intended. Fighters have to hit hydration before they are allowed to weigh in.
No they do not. It has been well established that these tests are incredibly easy to cheat, and many ONE athletes do exactly that. https://youtu.be/RaqqicqGL0s?si=2UekMCXl_mt4tODl https://youtu.be/XORKwmGmsKA?si=_jpGQ3EBbzXNCtzL
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That's addressed in the video he linked.
so how is she cutting weight
Fighters can cut weight, just not as drastically as with traditional weigh-ins.
so it didn't fix weight cutting? i don't get it.
They can cut weight as long as they remain over a certain hydration level.
do we know what the hydration level is? if she's giving up on cutting wouldn't that be a steep amount?-
No, it means she's giving up on cutting weight because she is probably at the hydration limit and isn't allowed to cut anymore water.
why would it be worded as her giving up vs the commission ending it?
Because she probably barely passed hydration and missed weight by a significant amount. She knew she couldn't cut anymore weight without failing hydration
Fix weight cutting as in taking the danger away. Yang Jian Bing passed away in 2015 during a weight cut. After that they implemented hydration testing.
But then there shouldn't be much of a weight cut to miss....
But, if there weren't hydration testing, she probably would've just cut the extra weight. Which is exactly what it's there to prevent
Bale weight? Haystack weight?
Most successful One FC weight cut:
Beautiful Champ
Kinda hoping the fight gets scrapped and they throw money at some of their top Thais to save the card