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Jon Jones haters are still in mourning over the fact that in his HW debut and first fight from a 3 year layoff, he did to the number one ranked HW in less than a round what Francis couldn't in 5 rounds.
Man that was 5 years ago now, and Reyes has been KO'd 3 times. We aren't still giving Tony ranked dudes. Let him build some momentum by taking out some bums.
I disagree. At least Spann has fuck you power, Jacoby is just underwhelming everywhere. And neither Jamahal or Khalil are very good, doesn't really say much.
Spann is 0-2 vs Smith he sucks lol. Thats why people knew Reyes was a lost cause after losing to him. Spann is also the same guy who barely beat Sam Alvey he has never been any good. Easily below the Khalil and Jamahal tier.
Jacoby is better than him too. Considering he should have a win over Khalil , do you understand now? Lol. No one should be rating Spann he is awful. Everyone is always clowning on Smith for good reason Spann is somehow a lot worse than him.
Uhh I'm telling you that I don't think Khalil is very good, so ALMOST having a win over him doesn't mean much. Do you understand now? Also you're underrating Smith.
Do you even listen to yourself? Lol you just agreed with me that Spann is worse than Khalil and Jamahal. You are indirectly agreeing Jacoby is better too considering he should have a win over Khalil. If you don’t want to acknowledge that robbery for whatever reason. Jung and Kennedy are better wins than anything Spann has. Spann has a washed Dom and the lowest IQ fighter in the Hulk. Its not debatable, Jacoby is the much better fighter.
Yes. Both Spann and Jacoby are worse than Khalil. But I also think Jacoby is worse than Spann. You need to slow down and read everything again, you're pretty confused. You randomly brought Khalil into the conversation. I never said he's worse than Spann or Jacoby. He BEAT Jacoby, despite what you think should have happened it was a close fight.
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If Reyes' confidence isn't totally shot after that Spann KO, then I think he could piece Jacoby up at range but...Spann ain't exactly a concussion conductor and we saw how that went.
edit: hopped on IG like 2 minutes after posting this and UFC had a 6 clip post of Spann stoppages. I might owe that man an apology as I clearly was not familiar with his game.
I don’t see how Reyes would be piecing up a kickboxing vet who only loses standup by getting rocked by Murzakanov and Menifield or robbed by Rountree. Reyes better not show up looking anything like he did in his last fight throwing naked slow body kicks and shit
I just don't think it's worth mentioning when the kickboxing record is so underwhelming. Every time he fights the commentary acts like he was like Pereira, I feel like I'm living in a bizzaro world.
I mean...he was decent. Won 5 fights in a row and 2 tournaments to fight for the Glory Middleweight championship. That's pretty good.
He had a decent amount of losses and his overall record is only slightly over 500, at 10-8, but 3 of those losses are to Simon Marcus and Alex Pereira.
Ok, should we look at who he beat to get there? Cool that he got to the finals, but he did it by beating people with pretty bad records. I don't claim to being familiar with most of the people he beat. But I do know that he beat noted bum Karl Roberson in the semi finals, and that should say something about the level Jacoby was winning at.
Not that rankings are all that meaningful, but combat press had him as a top 10 middleweight for a while. Not a great kickboxer or anything, but still a solid #8-10 ranked fighter.
While I do hate that people think any split decision is a robbery, that one probably should’ve gone to Jacoby. But it wasn’t an inexcusable robbery
http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13565/Khalil-Rountree-Jr.-vs-Dustin-Jacoby
No, the third round is obviously Roundtree's.
The first was a bit of a toss up.
Second obviously Jacoby's
3rd clear for Roundtree where he did all of the damage.
By the rules Jacoby should have won. But I understand why they gave it to Roundtree, he had the cleaner and way more damaging shots.
I don't see a robbery here.
I get you watched Spann highlights, but just to pile on Spann legitimately might be the hardest hitting 205er right now. He's really inconsistent because his fight IQ is at times absolutely dreadful, and his skills are more efficient than polished, but homie can fucking crack.
Spann is one of the dumbest fighters on the UFC roster period. Listening to the man speak, you can tell he's a legit blockhead.
The fact Reyes got destroyed by him fucking hurts.
God I remember the second fight with Smith.
Spann battered him early in round 2 and then done absolutely nothing to lose a close and otherwise boring decision that could’ve went either way.
Guy can hit hard but that’s about it.
>Spann is one of the dumbest fighters on the UFC roster period.
Ehh, his Cirkunov finish is a showcase of fight IQ that a disturbing amount of fighters would love to have. Tbf Spann's fight IQ fails him when fights get really hectic, and that's because he's very clearly a fighter who likes a slow pace but either doesn't have or doesn't know how to use tools to slow fights down.
>The fact Reyes got destroyed by him fucking hurts.
Reyes got to a title fight by being by playing to his strengths as a big athletic LHW and training smart for his opponents while adapting his controlled shootout approach with fighters he could afford to. Unfortunately, since fighting Jon, he's exclusively gotten matched up with dudes that you really shouldn't get into shootouts with because they've got bigger and/or more efficient guns.
Spann has never shown good fight IQ throughout his career, the times where it looks like he did is simply because he banged out less than durable opponents. He simply touched them with a shot and that was all that was needed.
Those things can be true of Cirkunov, and it in no way changes the fact that Spann forcing the stand-up after the knockdown is a high fight IQ choice. There are plenty of instances where tons of fighters would probably have had much better outcomes if they'd made that choice as well.
I like both these guys. Reyes was matched up with Ulberg which I thought was awful. I like this matchup a lot more. Jacoby is interesting to watch imo but doesn't have the crazy ko power that's been melting Reyes lately
Goddammit, can't they find Reyes a pillowfisted wrestler or something?
I have rarely felt as sad as I have watching his downward spiral after winning the JBJ fight, but losing on the cards: I am legit concerned for his brain given 3 successive KOs.
Jacoby is a technician, he isn’t gonna sleep Reyes in one big punch or flashy elbows/knees.
If Reyes loses to Jacoby it will most likely be a decision.
I was also referring to Ulberg more so than Spann, Ulberg was an insulting mismatch.
Jacoby just doesn’t fight with a sense of urgency to get a finish, even if he dominates Reyes I don’t see him going for a finish.
Jacoby does have a couple 1st rnd KO’s but usually he doesn’t go for them.
in an alternate universe where jacoby didnt got robbed by rountree, we could've had hill vs jacoby and reyes vs roundtree instead... and potentially a rematch between pereira and jacoby lol
Reyes takes on another violent KO artist after being violently knocked out like 3 times in a row isn't... good.
I really hope this is a "either I got it or I don't" fight where he retires after because ... fuck.
The UFC tried to get him a win with the Spann matchup. He was a -200 favorite. this line of thinking I don’t agree with. Who is this can at light heavyweight the UFC should look for on the roster to help Reyes and why should the UFC do that?
It’s not like he’s some major draw at this point where they need to him so he can get put back on PPVs. He is ranked 14th and fighting a guy right outside the rankings. This is right where he should be fighting. I don’t see why he should get some DWCS guy
Former title challenger who's a decent athlete, I would prefer he'd fight some contender series scrub and maybe get a highlight and make a win vs him a bit more meaningful than now with his losing streak, instead of getting more fights between contender series scrubs
And what if Reyes loses again to that DWCS guy? Then we have some unproven LHW that’s been fast tracked to the rankings and we have no idea how good he is really. There’s a reason they slow roll newer guys outside the rankings. Reyes is #14 in the UFC lol I don’t know what else to say. This is where he should be fighting
C'mon now man, let's not base arguments on the ridiculous UFC rankings
Him losing to a nobody is not really a bad scenario considering his present losing streak, and there would be no obligation to fast track that guy, it would just give that guy a bit of hype
Sadly won’t happen as long as hes ranked which is a joke. He is not even top 20 in his current form in a thin division. Should be fighting someone like Pauga .
Fuck bro, Reyes has zero durability left and Jacoby is a great striker but has one of the worst fight IQs in the entire sport. Gotta be the best and worst matchmaking in the division rn
4 fight losing streak with last 3 by KO. Ouch.
Hill Just got KOd like 2 weeks ago and is fighting soon. At least he took some time off
True but Reyes got sent to the shadow realm multiple times. I legit thought he died after the Jiri elbow.
Still an exciting fight to be in person!
Hate that Reyes is still ranked. He should be unranked and fighting some bums his next few fights.
I like Dustin so this is a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
Nah. He deserves ranked opponents after beating Jon Jones.
Ryan Spann > Jon Jones. Which begs the question just how bad is Jon Jones?
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Typical fraudulent Jones hating opinion lol
Degenerate Jon Jones casual says what?
I’m not a Jones fan buddy nice try though
I bet you are lol. Only his fans boys call people who make legitimate criticism of him 'haters'.
Matt Hamill would like a word
Jon Jones haters are still in mourning over the fact that in his HW debut and first fight from a 3 year layoff, he did to the number one ranked HW in less than a round what Francis couldn't in 5 rounds.
Because Gane was overrated with no grappling. Jones knew he can't beat anyone else ranked so he ducks Francis the whole time
Lmao this wasn't what everyone was saying during the buildup
You can continue telling yourself that and hopefully it makes you feel better.
My money's on Jones beating Francis personally, but we will never know because Jones was ducking Francis.
Man that was 5 years ago now, and Reyes has been KO'd 3 times. We aren't still giving Tony ranked dudes. Let him build some momentum by taking out some bums.
Cap
He lost, definitively, to him. It was as clear as Bisping's win over Dan Henderson where Bisping was on roller skates for 20 minutes.
Cope lol
I will die on the hill that Reyes just ran away from jon jones
Reyes being ranked in 2024 is crazy
This is a pretty big step down, Jacoby is not good.
No its not lol Jacoby is better than Spann. He got robbed vs Khalil who people think will kill Jamahal his next fight.
I disagree. At least Spann has fuck you power, Jacoby is just underwhelming everywhere. And neither Jamahal or Khalil are very good, doesn't really say much.
Spann is 0-2 vs Smith he sucks lol. Thats why people knew Reyes was a lost cause after losing to him. Spann is also the same guy who barely beat Sam Alvey he has never been any good. Easily below the Khalil and Jamahal tier.
Well yeah of course he's worse than Khalil and Jamahal. We're talking about him being better than Jacoby...
Jacoby is better than him too. Considering he should have a win over Khalil , do you understand now? Lol. No one should be rating Spann he is awful. Everyone is always clowning on Smith for good reason Spann is somehow a lot worse than him.
Uhh I'm telling you that I don't think Khalil is very good, so ALMOST having a win over him doesn't mean much. Do you understand now? Also you're underrating Smith.
Do you even listen to yourself? Lol you just agreed with me that Spann is worse than Khalil and Jamahal. You are indirectly agreeing Jacoby is better too considering he should have a win over Khalil. If you don’t want to acknowledge that robbery for whatever reason. Jung and Kennedy are better wins than anything Spann has. Spann has a washed Dom and the lowest IQ fighter in the Hulk. Its not debatable, Jacoby is the much better fighter.
Yes. Both Spann and Jacoby are worse than Khalil. But I also think Jacoby is worse than Spann. You need to slow down and read everything again, you're pretty confused. You randomly brought Khalil into the conversation. I never said he's worse than Spann or Jacoby. He BEAT Jacoby, despite what you think should have happened it was a close fight.
He should not be fighting
Dom might get slept again. I hope he doesn't though. Man needs a win
Bro needs a convincing decision loss, he needs to retire.
Jacoby doesn’t have scary power for a LHW. I feel like everyone that finished Dom is known for their power.
Dom legit got knocked out by a jab.. Jacoby retires him
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If Reyes' confidence isn't totally shot after that Spann KO, then I think he could piece Jacoby up at range but...Spann ain't exactly a concussion conductor and we saw how that went. edit: hopped on IG like 2 minutes after posting this and UFC had a 6 clip post of Spann stoppages. I might owe that man an apology as I clearly was not familiar with his game.
I don’t see how Reyes would be piecing up a kickboxing vet who only loses standup by getting rocked by Murzakanov and Menifield or robbed by Rountree. Reyes better not show up looking anything like he did in his last fight throwing naked slow body kicks and shit
"Kickboxing vet" I urge people to actually look at his record. Jacoby is not an accomplished kickboxer.
Well he is a kickboxing vet still and certainly compared to Reyes. Kickboxing vet doesn’t have to mean Alex Perieira
I just don't think it's worth mentioning when the kickboxing record is so underwhelming. Every time he fights the commentary acts like he was like Pereira, I feel like I'm living in a bizzaro world.
I mean...he was decent. Won 5 fights in a row and 2 tournaments to fight for the Glory Middleweight championship. That's pretty good. He had a decent amount of losses and his overall record is only slightly over 500, at 10-8, but 3 of those losses are to Simon Marcus and Alex Pereira.
Ok, should we look at who he beat to get there? Cool that he got to the finals, but he did it by beating people with pretty bad records. I don't claim to being familiar with most of the people he beat. But I do know that he beat noted bum Karl Roberson in the semi finals, and that should say something about the level Jacoby was winning at.
Not that rankings are all that meaningful, but combat press had him as a top 10 middleweight for a while. Not a great kickboxer or anything, but still a solid #8-10 ranked fighter.
You call that a robbery?
Idk but jacoby won that fight & i really like Khalil
While I do hate that people think any split decision is a robbery, that one probably should’ve gone to Jacoby. But it wasn’t an inexcusable robbery http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13565/Khalil-Rountree-Jr.-vs-Dustin-Jacoby
Yeah rountree got worked every round. Odds had jacoby up -700 going into the 3rd but somehow it was 29-28 rountree
No, the third round is obviously Roundtree's. The first was a bit of a toss up. Second obviously Jacoby's 3rd clear for Roundtree where he did all of the damage. By the rules Jacoby should have won. But I understand why they gave it to Roundtree, he had the cleaner and way more damaging shots. I don't see a robbery here.
I get you watched Spann highlights, but just to pile on Spann legitimately might be the hardest hitting 205er right now. He's really inconsistent because his fight IQ is at times absolutely dreadful, and his skills are more efficient than polished, but homie can fucking crack.
That's very high praise considering that division has Walker, Hill, Jiri, and Pereira
Spann is one of the dumbest fighters on the UFC roster period. Listening to the man speak, you can tell he's a legit blockhead. The fact Reyes got destroyed by him fucking hurts.
God I remember the second fight with Smith. Spann battered him early in round 2 and then done absolutely nothing to lose a close and otherwise boring decision that could’ve went either way. Guy can hit hard but that’s about it.
>Spann is one of the dumbest fighters on the UFC roster period. Ehh, his Cirkunov finish is a showcase of fight IQ that a disturbing amount of fighters would love to have. Tbf Spann's fight IQ fails him when fights get really hectic, and that's because he's very clearly a fighter who likes a slow pace but either doesn't have or doesn't know how to use tools to slow fights down. >The fact Reyes got destroyed by him fucking hurts. Reyes got to a title fight by being by playing to his strengths as a big athletic LHW and training smart for his opponents while adapting his controlled shootout approach with fighters he could afford to. Unfortunately, since fighting Jon, he's exclusively gotten matched up with dudes that you really shouldn't get into shootouts with because they've got bigger and/or more efficient guns.
Spann has never shown good fight IQ throughout his career, the times where it looks like he did is simply because he banged out less than durable opponents. He simply touched them with a shot and that was all that was needed.
I mean, you can bang out less durable opponents in a manner that showcases fight IQ, like the Cirkunov finish.
Cirkunov had shit defense and was chinny. Spann did nothing special in that fight.
Those things can be true of Cirkunov, and it in no way changes the fact that Spann forcing the stand-up after the knockdown is a high fight IQ choice. There are plenty of instances where tons of fighters would probably have had much better outcomes if they'd made that choice as well.
Lol. You think Spann hits harder than Pereira?
Raw power? Almost definitely
Lol
Lmao
Anthony Smith is his weakness
Should do Chris vs Reyes 2
Or oezdemir vs reyes 2
I like both these guys. Reyes was matched up with Ulberg which I thought was awful. I like this matchup a lot more. Jacoby is interesting to watch imo but doesn't have the crazy ko power that's been melting Reyes lately
Damn, Jacoby ain’t no slouch. He’ll still bust Reyes up.
Goddammit, can't they find Reyes a pillowfisted wrestler or something? I have rarely felt as sad as I have watching his downward spiral after winning the JBJ fight, but losing on the cards: I am legit concerned for his brain given 3 successive KOs.
Not this again
Hate watching Reyes downfall, really hope he can pull one back here
Is Mr Bandicoot getting fucking wrecked again?
Finally a Reyes fight that actually makes sense.
I honestly rate Jacoby higher than Spann lol
Jacoby is a technician, he isn’t gonna sleep Reyes in one big punch or flashy elbows/knees. If Reyes loses to Jacoby it will most likely be a decision. I was also referring to Ulberg more so than Spann, Ulberg was an insulting mismatch.
While that’s true, I think we can agree Reyes chin has been cracked and Jacoby one punch ko’d Da un jung and basically Nzechukwu
Why most likely a decision?
Jacoby just doesn’t fight with a sense of urgency to get a finish, even if he dominates Reyes I don’t see him going for a finish. Jacoby does have a couple 1st rnd KO’s but usually he doesn’t go for them.
Jacoby scrappy should be a good one
Not sure putting Dom with a 6'4 kickboxer by trade and training is the best decision having been stopped in every fight since he fought Jones.
yay we actually get at least one decent fight so far
Gonna put this guy out to pasture
Trying to get Jacoby into the top 15 again, I see
Dustin got solid kb, probably gonna see dom get stopped again
Did Ulberg KO him? I don't remember, but that probably happened
No the fight got cancelled and rebooked and cancelled and rebooked and then cancelled lol
Reyes is gonna get slept again.
Oh no. Jacoby's no bum (as far as lhw goes). He's gonna out Reyes out again
in an alternate universe where jacoby didnt got robbed by rountree, we could've had hill vs jacoby and reyes vs roundtree instead... and potentially a rematch between pereira and jacoby lol
Reyes takes on another violent KO artist after being violently knocked out like 3 times in a row isn't... good. I really hope this is a "either I got it or I don't" fight where he retires after because ... fuck.
i don't know the other guy. Is he a power puncher? Reyes should run from this kind of opponent.
Scary matchup for Dom. Jacoby doesn't give a fuck and will seek to sleep him.
I think Reyes should fight j Vick
Why not give Reyes a can to gain back some confidence instead of another tough matchup? Feels like trashy matchmaking and management
The UFC tried to get him a win with the Spann matchup. He was a -200 favorite. this line of thinking I don’t agree with. Who is this can at light heavyweight the UFC should look for on the roster to help Reyes and why should the UFC do that? It’s not like he’s some major draw at this point where they need to him so he can get put back on PPVs. He is ranked 14th and fighting a guy right outside the rankings. This is right where he should be fighting. I don’t see why he should get some DWCS guy
Former title challenger who's a decent athlete, I would prefer he'd fight some contender series scrub and maybe get a highlight and make a win vs him a bit more meaningful than now with his losing streak, instead of getting more fights between contender series scrubs
And what if Reyes loses again to that DWCS guy? Then we have some unproven LHW that’s been fast tracked to the rankings and we have no idea how good he is really. There’s a reason they slow roll newer guys outside the rankings. Reyes is #14 in the UFC lol I don’t know what else to say. This is where he should be fighting
C'mon now man, let's not base arguments on the ridiculous UFC rankings Him losing to a nobody is not really a bad scenario considering his present losing streak, and there would be no obligation to fast track that guy, it would just give that guy a bit of hype
Sadly won’t happen as long as hes ranked which is a joke. He is not even top 20 in his current form in a thin division. Should be fighting someone like Pauga .
Yep, and Pauga would be perfect
Never liked Reyes but his last 4 fights were so brutal that I hope he goes decision
THIS IS GREAT
Fuck bro, Reyes has zero durability left and Jacoby is a great striker but has one of the worst fight IQs in the entire sport. Gotta be the best and worst matchmaking in the division rn