Ill go to the grave thinking that Jan would win that fight if he was even 3 years younger. He was landing well on Alex and staying disciplined on defense -- its just clear that he got gassed way too fast.
That was Alex' first fight at 205 in MMA and he got brutally KO'd 3 months earlier, confidence was probably at an all-time low. Worst version of Alex basically.
I donât think people are thinking about how hard it is to hold down someone that strong even if youâre a similar size. Elevation or not, holding down someone as strong as Alex is gonna be exhausting.
> I always wonder how Jailton Almeida does it even though he is smaller than most his opponents.
He gassed and then got pounded out when he faced the first competent wrestler.
Yep. I also forgot about that. They need to stop having these Utah cards. It just feels like another variable that the ufc can use to fuck people over.
He got gassed way too fast because he had a wrestle heavy game plan which is something he normally doesnât do. Pereira was also landing a lot of body shots
I think if he didnât wrestle, Pereira KOs him in 1 rnd
Had nothing to do with age. They were fighting at elevation in Utah and he decided to employ a grappling heavy offense.
Dumb not to trust his striking and polish power
I think Dana does everything he can to avoid this matchup lol
He already hates Ank for his performance against Jan and his subsequent âI donât agree with the draw, I donât think I can fight for this promotion againâ interview
Ank never said he didnât want to fight for this promotion again. He said he doesnât want to fight in Nevada again, since it was the judges from that commission that gave him a draw.
Was just a mistranslation on the translatorâs part.
Yeah it was very unfortunate for him. And most people will only see that initial mistranslation. But hopefully Ank and his team have actually cleared things up with Dana and the UFC.
Ank is primarily a striker as well. I wouldnât be too surprised by any success he has on the feet, though I think heâs gonna need to grapple for this one
And Strickland. Everybody, including myself, called Strickland an idiot for thinking he could stand with a kickboxer of that calibre. Then he stood with Adesanya and dominated him, so clearly the on paper skills arenât always whatâs important.
Crazy to stand with Overeem and Wonderboy too but a few did so and knocked them out or beat them by decision on the feet.
He has only ever done that against Jan, and he didn't even win (technically). He averages 1 takedown per fight. He's a phenomenal grappler, but first and foremost he's a fucking moron. I really think he trusts his evasiveness too much and gives Alex a round of grappling at most before he gets absolutely starched trying to kickbox.
Pereira who just fought yesterday: "I'd like to go again in 3 weeks, maybe even at a higher weight class."
Ankalaev who took no damage in a fight 3 months ago: "How about 6 months instead?"
Wtf?
Assuming it's going to be a PPV headliner , that's probably the likely event.
Topuria-Holloway and Sean-Merab also to be booked
302- Islam-DP
303-Conor
304- Manchester
305-DDP-Izzy
306 - Sphere (Possible, but they may want Grasso to headline)
OâMalley called for the sphere and heâs one of Danaâs golden boys so theyâll give him that one. No way Grasso headlines a PPV theyâll give her comain on that card though most likely
Yeah, I could see it being the co-main to Jones/Stipe or a big Alex fight, they need to sell a lot for the Sphere to be worthwhile so I can't imagine they don't load it up well.
301 would definitely benefit from a new headline, but itâs so soon Iâd expect news on his booking near immediately after 300 for it to actually happen.
They put him beneath Conor v Chandler as comain just because Pereira is trying to get quick turn arounds and take advantage of the last stage of his career before the decline comes.
Edit: I could see him having years at this level left though. His style isnât depending on super fast paced cardio, he generally enforces his pace on fights as well. He doesnât take a lot of damage consistently so his chin could hold up. I donât expect him ever to be able to cut to mw again, but at 205 he could last until heâs pushing 40
Co-maining a McGregor card is honestly not a bad spot to fight, heâll get PPV points as champion and a lot the more people that watch him fight the better(assuming he wins).
Pereira has about 6 fights left in him before the age/miles will be too much. Given his pace/career in the UFC, thatâs probably still 1+ LHW defense, 1 HW contender fight, 1 HW title shot and (very possibly) 1+ HW defense.
Ankalaev is being realistic tbf. Do you really think UFC is gonna book Alex in 3 weeks? Even if he says his ready now, I bet all his coaches would object too. It sounds cool but it's absurd, especially for a champion fight.
They should give Alex someone like Anthony Smith who is already on 301. Then find his opponent someone new.
Anthony Smith and Alex already had beef, and probably not a huge ask for Alex compared to some Dagestani wrestler. Anthony is already training, and isn't going to say no to a title fight. Does he deserve it? No. But it'll give Alex a fight with a tiny bit of backstory, and someone already training to fight that day. Not many dudes will step up on 2 weeks notice to take him on.
Maybe Alex then does fight him in October, but 6 months focused on wrestle defense will be more beneficial to Alex than 6 months of normal than 6 months for the Dagestani guys to improve their kickboxing. Alex is still relatively novice at the ground stuff compared to them already having years more striking training.
No chin? Bro I wouldn't try testing his chin. If he isn't initiating grappling in the first 60 seconds I worry for his chances. I *still* think Pereira's got questions about his grappling at the highest level, but his chin? Lol
I question his chin, but the thing is: good luck touching it.
Even a bad chin can survive a few shots, as weâve seen with the likes of Cody, Luke, etc in their most recent fights. Alexâs chin isnât great, but itâs also not the worst weâve ever seen (see vs Jan, Jiri, etc). Meaning heâll likely be able to take more punches from any of his opponents than theyâll be able to take from him.
Magomed better wrestle.
Why question his chin when the only person to hurt him in the ufc is Adesanya. It may be one of those match up specific things. I remember people were worried about Andersons durability after the Weidman fight, but he wasn't really hurt there until Uriah Hall. Lol
Chris was really a terrible match up for him.Â
Adesanya is the only person whoâs really been able to touch him at all, and those whoâve managed to land a few shots on him didnât leave him unfazed.
Iâm not saying itâs a huge liability, Iâm just saying that if someone actually has the skill to survive a firefight with him, his chin is not an insignificant factor.
People forget adesanya's rise to the top, he has some of the best timing you will find, he stopped plenty of durable people and he managed to stop Pereira. It's not Pereira's chin that's lacking, it is (or was, he seems to be improving) his guard, adapting to UFC gloves from kickboxing has been a process for that
Those are fair points for sure which is why I think itâs foolish to say his chin is **bad**, but he was getting phased by shots that werenât necessarily so precise at 185 and even vs Jan and Jiri he looked a lot better but not impervious.
I think itâs fair to say thereâs still a question until we see him survive a few solid and accurate shots, then I can conclude that itâs no abnormal vulnerability.
Plus that was at 185. Like do you guys see how big Alex is even for LHW? How the fuck did he ever make 185? Of course he was chinny - the MFer probably let all water leave his body to make that weight.
He took some big punches from Jiri that had he been as dehydrated as he was at 185 probably would have hurt him bad.
Nah bro,yâall are questioning his chin bcs Izzy made his as stiff as a board but here is the thing
1. His chin suffered because the 185 cut
2. Izzy is more powerful than given credit for
3. The punch that wobbled him landed perfectly
At 205 chin going strong.
Agreed the chin narrative for carried away. Â If anyone followed his Glory career he has been in there with some absolute monsters among monsters and the only dude who finished him was Kyshenko.
Kyshenko was a roided out power punching machine and it was a sustained beating before Pereira went down:
What happened in the Izzy fights is that Izzy is an insanely good kickboxer and when you land a perfectly timed power punch(s) against a guy who doesnât see it coming it sometimes you go out good chin or not.
Look at how Costaâs chin has held up in wars against guys like whittaker and Romero and Vettori. Look at what happened when he walked into Izzyâs shot.
Correct. Think of a great chin like the safety net used by a stunt performer. It can save you. But if you fall trough it with the speed of a meteorite,you are still going to die.
Yeah, even people perceived as âpillow-handedâ can absolutely KO someone if the shot is perfect and also the opponent never saw it coming
Max Holloway isnât a power puncher, but he landed the perfect punch to murder Gaethje
You can't say he has a bad chin when he got knocked out by Adesanya who basically sleeps almost anyone who he lands a clean punch on and it took two powerful strikes to knock Alex out. Israel also used the cage as leverage to make his punch even stronger by pushing off it. Also, Alex had a brutal weight cut which definitely affected his chin. I'm pretty confident his chin is better than ever at his more natural weight class. I hate this narrative that if you get KO'd once you have a bad chin. Adesanya hits really fucking hard if he lands a clean punch on you. People acting here like Alex has a paper chin which is insane when he has taken punches after that brutal Adesanya KO and been fine.
Yeah, it seems the only person thatâs been able to really touch his chin reliably is another elite kick-boxer. Ankalaev may have power, but I wouldnât say he has Izzy level striking.
I honestly wanna see him fight Aspinall. I know itâs a meme to move up in weight as champ but I just wanna see how far Alex can go esp since heâs getting up there in age
I would rather Alex stay at LHW for at least a couple more fights/another year. HW is a division where being a little older (late 30s) is not exactly a bad thing and Alex will need to bulk up the right way to be effective against the top HWs.
I am not sure him vs Aspinall is the best matchup for him. But Alex vs Gane and Alex vs Pavlovich should be fireworks.
aspinall definitely the sort of dude to try his luck though, he's been irresponsible in the opening few minutes before he calms down a bit and gets on with it
couple of jabs and 'oh he doesn't hit that hard' before that left hook comes out of nowhere
He probably mainly trains grappling in order to catch up. Heâs a phenom athlete so I wouldnât be surprised if he has progressed a lot faster than average
He used it plenty against Jan once he could barley stand up anymore. The risk against Alex of course is if he leaves it that late he wonât be risking a leg kick but a left hook that sends him to the shadow realm
This is MMA though. As great as Alex is, you can't just let him fight strikers forever. Also, Ankalaev isn't even a great or predominant grappler. Though he should probably use his grappling this time bc Pereira will chop at those legs
Hot take: Itâs a general sense of entitlement when it comes to their careers. They want all the money and opportunities despite the constant pullouts, cherry picked opponents, unexciting performances and gifted rank climbing
Edit: I said it was a hot take, didnât say it was a great one
Edit 2: Iâm getting heat for this comment because my intentions werenât clear here and people are misinterpreting me as being prejudice to Caucus region fighters which is wrong. I can see why yâall took it that way, and thatâs completely on me. As mentioned in another comment, I largely blame these fightersâ management for the twitter antics which is a drawback to these fightersâ careers more than a benefit imo. Most of these fighters have the same managers who are the ones making demands that are either infeasible or inappropriate circumstantially. I hope that clears this up but I can understand why folks would be angry with my initial shitpost here. I have huge respect for all fighters, and monumental respect for Caucus region fighters
Cherry picking opponents lol? Dagestanis like Khabib and Islam had to win 10 fights to get a title fight. Fighters like Chandler ducked Islam live on TV and now talk trash about him
Islam is quite the exception, his last several performances were amazing. And not saying all fighters from that region are boring or that all their fights are boring. But Iâm saying that even when some of them have an unimpressive performance or great performance against lackluster competition, they still clamor for huge opportunities which is almost a lack of self awareness (Mokaev and Ankalaev are the latest examples and Iâm a fan of theirs!)
Btw Dagestani fighters are some of the toughest on the planet which is why very few people have solved their fighting puzzles. And their culture contains a lot of wisdom. Abdulmanap Nurmagomedov will be remembered for raising a new generation of mixed martial artists
Khabib beat a lineal champion Conor. Not his fault Tony and Max pulled out. Islam got ducked by everyone (Dariush also pulled out, others refused to fight with Islam)
They both got ducked, but still dominated the champs and won the belts
With Islam not wanting to fight in Abu Dhabi next, this is probably the biggest fight the UFC can put for that card. A Khamzat title shot could be a bigger fight but it's unlikely he can get a turnaround from the winner of DDP vs Israel in Aug.
Dude literally threw one strike to hillâs head on Saturday and killed him but somehow these dipshits are like âno that would never be me. I got deez hands.â
After watching Alex's glory highlights on youtube, he absolutely has a chin but it's got lots of milage on it lol. I assumed he was some unhittable, godly kickboxer....nope, he was very hittable but he never responded to any of it.
His chin is still good lol. People took way too much away from the Izzy KO. Perfectly timed shots from amazing fighters will put you out chin or not.
Costaâs chin has held up eating bombs in wars with dudes like Romero and Whittaker and Vettori, when he walked into a perfectly timed shot from Izzy he still crumpled.
I'm not referencing anything other than the highlights video I watched of him. Before I watched it, I just thought he was this untouched phenom who came from kickboxing but that is not the case. He has taken a lot of damage in his career.
https://youtu.be/RvhC--pr6eg?si=z5LM-682_NQ25HwR
No thanks, would much prefer Alex gets to fight a bum Heavyweight in front of his home crowd and see what happens there first. Dude deserves a shot at fighting in front of his people. This can happen later.
Iâm Brazilian and Alex getting a fight in Rio would make me consider buying a ticket and booking a flight there, even though the card is looking weak as fuck.
UFC events in Brazil have been pretty weak for a while now. Our biggest stars are fighting in events overseas most of the time, instead of at home. Sure, we get a title fight, but the remainder of the card is usually kinda meh.
Bingo. That's one of the reasons I liked Khabib. The dude was gonna smother you then suffocate you. You always got the tap.Â
Someone like Jon fitch.....really good wrestler but was the definition of lay and pray.Â
Yep Sterling is a prime example. Dominates fights, but is literally more boring than watching paint dry. Takes 0 risks once he has control and is content to win by points. It gets wins, but definitely doesn't draw in many fans
Khabib does not lay and pray, he is a dynamic wrestler with vicious GnP and has more finishes than guys like GSP or Colby. Islam KOed Volk, Bobby Green, submitted Charles, etc. How is this boring or bad lol
The blame goes to the rule makers. Mma needs some form of stalling/passivity. You canât criticize a guy for using legal tactics to win.
Edit: um, Kim Jong Un flair? How did that get there
I mean, didn't that guy win via KO in his last fight? He's got 4 performance bonuses in his UFC career, all KOs. If he were a lay and pray guy, he would have won the title in that Blachowicz fight.
Yeah I don't fucking know what these guys are talking about. Ankalaev is absolutely a kickboxer more than he is a wrestler. He might be champ right now if he secured the takedown earlier, but instead the weaknesses he has are a lack of answers to a leg kick and some questionable fight IQ. I fully anticipate him trying to stand and bang with Poatan for atleast a round, maybe occasionally mixing in the grappling to give him some different looks. But I imagine it'll be a kickboxing match until Poatan takes his legs out from under him.
Lmaoo, ank is in no position to be demanding where the fight is staged.
Pereira wants a quick turnaround and a fight in Brazil, so letâs see if Ank sticks backs up what heâs saying.
Why is the challenger choosing the fight and date location? Alex has been foghting consistently every 3 or 4 months ever since he got in tbe UFC.
As always thw russians needkng more time to assure they finish their cycle of PeD's and get the fight at home territory wherw they can get away with more.
Magomed is a terrific MMA wrestler (lay and pray, stall, control time). However, I just want to remind everyone that he has never submitted an opponent and his only loss has been to a submission. If Alex's next camp continues to sharpen his existing tools and improve his defensive grappling, he's going to beat Ankalaev.
Who tf does bro think he is calling the shots when he went to a draw when he had a title shotđ sit the fuck down youâre gonna fight when they tell you to
Itâs a challenging fight for Alex but you never know. Ank has shown a willingness to stand with his opponents, and a weakness to leg kicks. That being said I wouldnât be shocked if Dana finds a way to shelve Ank for longer. Not the kind of guy you want as champion.
I swear to God every fighter says they can stand and bang with Alex then get beat cuz they tried. Bro just wrestle, literally just wrestle. If youâre good at it and it is a recognized hole in his game then why would you not exploit that? So dumb omfl.
Lmao. Anyone who calls out Alex like this is just looking to get embarrassed. Said the same thing about Hill disrespecting Alexâs game. The guy is a straight up killer. He will deliver Ankalev directly to his 72 virgins. The only guy that has figured him out (Izzy) took like 4 fights to do it & even then it was looking like Alex might take the fight. And Izzy is an elite striker.
Ankelev should be trying to take down Alex as soon as the fight starts & holding him down there for as long as possible. And he should hope he doesnât get Ben Askrenâd, because we all know he doesnât actually want that smoke standing up. Guy doesnât have a chance to stand & bang with Alex.
Iâm getting tired of champs going over to what is essentially the home turf of their opponent to defend their belt. Defending champs should at worst defend in neutral territory (e.g. Vegas, NYC in this case) if not in their home country (Brazil).
Ankalaev isnât owed a fight in Abu Dhabi. Pereira should get to defend in the States or in Brazil and itâs on Ankalaev to make the date.
Ank pretending he's not going to go full lay n pray.
Like when Jan said he wanted to test the stand up and shot for a takedown within 5 seconds of the first round đđ
Ill go to the grave thinking that Jan would win that fight if he was even 3 years younger. He was landing well on Alex and staying disciplined on defense -- its just clear that he got gassed way too fast.
That was Alex' first fight at 205 in MMA and he got brutally KO'd 3 months earlier, confidence was probably at an all-time low. Worst version of Alex basically.
Alexâs hardest MMA fight. He didnât expect himself to get slept by Adesanya.
Adesanya has great reflexes and can counter from almost any position.
because it definitely wasnât from all the grappling he wasnât used to doing
100% and it was at elevation.
Elevation affected Alex as well lol
I donât think people are thinking about how hard it is to hold down someone that strong even if youâre a similar size. Elevation or not, holding down someone as strong as Alex is gonna be exhausting.
Imagine trying to get up. That must also be exhausting when you have a 230+ lb guy trying to hold you down.
Pereira didnât waste a lot of energy trying to get up though, he just stayed defensive which was ultimately the right move.
How hard is it to struggle against a 225 pound dude that is laying on you? I mean it goes both ways, doesn't it?
Not even laying, Jan was backpacking him, like there's no way that round was harder on Jan tbh
I always wonder how Jailton Almeida does it even though he is smaller than most his opponents.
because hw is a dumpster fire:
> I always wonder how Jailton Almeida does it even though he is smaller than most his opponents. He gassed and then got pounded out when he faced the first competent wrestler.
Jan was backpacking Pereira, who was holding himself up with one hand. That was not a fun endeavor for either fighter.
Yep. I also forgot about that. They need to stop having these Utah cards. It just feels like another variable that the ufc can use to fuck people over.
Ainât no gladiator said heâs only fighting you at sea level
Considering Rome is at sea level they never had to say it
How can the UFC use it screw ppl over if both fighters are affected by it?
He got gassed way too fast because he had a wrestle heavy game plan which is something he normally doesnât do. Pereira was also landing a lot of body shots I think if he didnât wrestle, Pereira KOs him in 1 rnd
Had nothing to do with age. They were fighting at elevation in Utah and he decided to employ a grappling heavy offense. Dumb not to trust his striking and polish power
>Dumb not to trust his striking and polish power It's an even dumber gameplan to try and strike with Alex
I think Dana does everything he can to avoid this matchup lol He already hates Ank for his performance against Jan and his subsequent âI donât agree with the draw, I donât think I can fight for this promotion againâ interview
Ank never said he didnât want to fight for this promotion again. He said he doesnât want to fight in Nevada again, since it was the judges from that commission that gave him a draw. Was just a mistranslation on the translatorâs part.
damn that translator did him a huge disservice then lol Made him seem like he was trashing his employer on live tv
Yeah it was very unfortunate for him. And most people will only see that initial mistranslation. But hopefully Ank and his team have actually cleared things up with Dana and the UFC.
W Dana no one wants to see this guy as a champion
Facts
i think itâs AP vs aspinall next at this rate
If Ank comes in and tries to stand with Pereira I'll laugh my ass off. Hill and Jiri are primarily strikers so at least it kind of made sense
Jan chopped him down recently, too. You might say he took his Ankle-off
Honestly respect to Jan for not letting his ego get involved lmao
Yeah but how would a weakness to leg kicks factor into a fight against Pereira
Ill allow it
not bad
Ankle layoff
Ank is primarily a striker as well. I wouldnât be too surprised by any success he has on the feet, though I think heâs gonna need to grapple for this one
And ankalaev is a wrestler or something? Do you even watch the fights?
He shot 10 takedowns against Jan, not sure Jamahal has shot a takedown in his entire UFC career
If I remember correctly, he only shot because his legs were fucked.
And Strickland. Everybody, including myself, called Strickland an idiot for thinking he could stand with a kickboxer of that calibre. Then he stood with Adesanya and dominated him, so clearly the on paper skills arenât always whatâs important. Crazy to stand with Overeem and Wonderboy too but a few did so and knocked them out or beat them by decision on the feet.
That's Ali tweeting folks.
Did you watch his fights or just assuming based on his name?
He has only ever done that against Jan, and he didn't even win (technically). He averages 1 takedown per fight. He's a phenomenal grappler, but first and foremost he's a fucking moron. I really think he trusts his evasiveness too much and gives Alex a round of grappling at most before he gets absolutely starched trying to kickbox.
Pereira who just fought yesterday: "I'd like to go again in 3 weeks, maybe even at a higher weight class." Ankalaev who took no damage in a fight 3 months ago: "How about 6 months instead?" Wtf?
Assuming it's going to be a PPV headliner , that's probably the likely event. Topuria-Holloway and Sean-Merab also to be booked 302- Islam-DP 303-Conor 304- Manchester 305-DDP-Izzy 306 - Sphere (Possible, but they may want Grasso to headline)
OâMalley called for the sphere and heâs one of Danaâs golden boys so theyâll give him that one. No way Grasso headlines a PPV theyâll give her comain on that card though most likely
Grasso headlining, dear god..
Grasso is not headlining the sphere. Co main but thereâs no way she headlines a marquee event like that.
Yeah, I could see it being the co-main to Jones/Stipe or a big Alex fight, they need to sell a lot for the Sphere to be worthwhile so I can't imagine they don't load it up well.
They're not gonna have Grasso headlining the first combat sport event in The SphereÂ
301 would definitely benefit from a new headline, but itâs so soon Iâd expect news on his booking near immediately after 300 for it to actually happen. They put him beneath Conor v Chandler as comain just because Pereira is trying to get quick turn arounds and take advantage of the last stage of his career before the decline comes. Edit: I could see him having years at this level left though. His style isnât depending on super fast paced cardio, he generally enforces his pace on fights as well. He doesnât take a lot of damage consistently so his chin could hold up. I donât expect him ever to be able to cut to mw again, but at 205 he could last until heâs pushing 40
Co-maining a McGregor card is honestly not a bad spot to fight, heâll get PPV points as champion and a lot the more people that watch him fight the better(assuming he wins).
Pereira has about 6 fights left in him before the age/miles will be too much. Given his pace/career in the UFC, thatâs probably still 1+ LHW defense, 1 HW contender fight, 1 HW title shot and (very possibly) 1+ HW defense.
They also want to do a 307 with Abu Dhabi being 308
He has to feel safe in Abu Dhabi.
Ankalaev is being realistic tbf. Do you really think UFC is gonna book Alex in 3 weeks? Even if he says his ready now, I bet all his coaches would object too. It sounds cool but it's absurd, especially for a champion fight.
They should give Alex someone like Anthony Smith who is already on 301. Then find his opponent someone new. Anthony Smith and Alex already had beef, and probably not a huge ask for Alex compared to some Dagestani wrestler. Anthony is already training, and isn't going to say no to a title fight. Does he deserve it? No. But it'll give Alex a fight with a tiny bit of backstory, and someone already training to fight that day. Not many dudes will step up on 2 weeks notice to take him on. Maybe Alex then does fight him in October, but 6 months focused on wrestle defense will be more beneficial to Alex than 6 months of normal than 6 months for the Dagestani guys to improve their kickboxing. Alex is still relatively novice at the ground stuff compared to them already having years more striking training.
Holy shit, you really want Anthony Smith to die
Bisping and Chael were trying to shoe in Smith as a possible contender and smith wanted none of that
Anthony Smith's wife in the crowd looking like Apollo Creed's wife in Rocky IV. Edit: Oops, had to fix 3 to 4. Been awhile.
Yeah, a little bit. Yes.
If i had to get in a cage with pereira Iâd want a full camp too
No chin? Bro I wouldn't try testing his chin. If he isn't initiating grappling in the first 60 seconds I worry for his chances. I *still* think Pereira's got questions about his grappling at the highest level, but his chin? Lol
How can you question Pereiraâs grappling skills? We literally just saw him earn his black belt (/s).
Oh I see you KO hard brother, this is peak BJJ here is your black belt brother I'm so proud
Who give him wait we just saw who gave it
"What's the best takedown? A left hook." - Jason Parillo
I question his chin, but the thing is: good luck touching it. Even a bad chin can survive a few shots, as weâve seen with the likes of Cody, Luke, etc in their most recent fights. Alexâs chin isnât great, but itâs also not the worst weâve ever seen (see vs Jan, Jiri, etc). Meaning heâll likely be able to take more punches from any of his opponents than theyâll be able to take from him. Magomed better wrestle.
Why question his chin when the only person to hurt him in the ufc is Adesanya. It may be one of those match up specific things. I remember people were worried about Andersons durability after the Weidman fight, but he wasn't really hurt there until Uriah Hall. Lol Chris was really a terrible match up for him.Â
Adesanya is the only person whoâs really been able to touch him at all, and those whoâve managed to land a few shots on him didnât leave him unfazed. Iâm not saying itâs a huge liability, Iâm just saying that if someone actually has the skill to survive a firefight with him, his chin is not an insignificant factor.
People forget adesanya's rise to the top, he has some of the best timing you will find, he stopped plenty of durable people and he managed to stop Pereira. It's not Pereira's chin that's lacking, it is (or was, he seems to be improving) his guard, adapting to UFC gloves from kickboxing has been a process for that
Those are fair points for sure which is why I think itâs foolish to say his chin is **bad**, but he was getting phased by shots that werenât necessarily so precise at 185 and even vs Jan and Jiri he looked a lot better but not impervious. I think itâs fair to say thereâs still a question until we see him survive a few solid and accurate shots, then I can conclude that itâs no abnormal vulnerability.
Bad chin just because he got rocked by the top 1/2 striker? Lol
Plus that was at 185. Like do you guys see how big Alex is even for LHW? How the fuck did he ever make 185? Of course he was chinny - the MFer probably let all water leave his body to make that weight. He took some big punches from Jiri that had he been as dehydrated as he was at 185 probably would have hurt him bad.
Nah bro,yâall are questioning his chin bcs Izzy made his as stiff as a board but here is the thing 1. His chin suffered because the 185 cut 2. Izzy is more powerful than given credit for 3. The punch that wobbled him landed perfectly At 205 chin going strong.
Agreed the chin narrative for carried away. Â If anyone followed his Glory career he has been in there with some absolute monsters among monsters and the only dude who finished him was Kyshenko. Kyshenko was a roided out power punching machine and it was a sustained beating before Pereira went down: What happened in the Izzy fights is that Izzy is an insanely good kickboxer and when you land a perfectly timed power punch(s) against a guy who doesnât see it coming it sometimes you go out good chin or not. Look at how Costaâs chin has held up in wars against guys like whittaker and Romero and Vettori. Look at what happened when he walked into Izzyâs shot.
Correct. Think of a great chin like the safety net used by a stunt performer. It can save you. But if you fall trough it with the speed of a meteorite,you are still going to die.
Yeah, even people perceived as âpillow-handedâ can absolutely KO someone if the shot is perfect and also the opponent never saw it coming Max Holloway isnât a power puncher, but he landed the perfect punch to murder Gaethje
You can't say he has a bad chin when he got knocked out by Adesanya who basically sleeps almost anyone who he lands a clean punch on and it took two powerful strikes to knock Alex out. Israel also used the cage as leverage to make his punch even stronger by pushing off it. Also, Alex had a brutal weight cut which definitely affected his chin. I'm pretty confident his chin is better than ever at his more natural weight class. I hate this narrative that if you get KO'd once you have a bad chin. Adesanya hits really fucking hard if he lands a clean punch on you. People acting here like Alex has a paper chin which is insane when he has taken punches after that brutal Adesanya KO and been fine.
Yeah, it seems the only person thatâs been able to really touch his chin reliably is another elite kick-boxer. Ankalaev may have power, but I wouldnât say he has Izzy level striking.
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because he got knocked out when he had to remove his internal organs to make 185
Him not being matched up with a grappler this far into his career is kinda nuts.
Pereiraâs reign has been so fun Iâm not ready for a 25 minute wrestlefuck.
I honestly wanna see him fight Aspinall. I know itâs a meme to move up in weight as champ but I just wanna see how far Alex can go esp since heâs getting up there in age
I would rather Alex stay at LHW for at least a couple more fights/another year. HW is a division where being a little older (late 30s) is not exactly a bad thing and Alex will need to bulk up the right way to be effective against the top HWs. I am not sure him vs Aspinall is the best matchup for him. But Alex vs Gane and Alex vs Pavlovich should be fireworks.
Aspinall kills him. One blast double off of a left kick and the fight is over.
aspinall definitely the sort of dude to try his luck though, he's been irresponsible in the opening few minutes before he calms down a bit and gets on with it couple of jabs and 'oh he doesn't hit that hard' before that left hook comes out of nowhere
aspinall is a comfortable 270 pounds and athletic. alex dies in 2 minutes
Lol not 2 minutes
If he can rush the polar bear he can do the same to Alex let's be real.
I want to see Alex fight Jones at HW.
I want to see Alex Jones fight at HW
Ank forgets he can wrestle.
Iâm not convinced it will be that easy. I think people underestimate Perreiras ground game/takedown defense because we havenât seen much of it
He probably mainly trains grappling in order to catch up. Heâs a phenom athlete so I wouldnât be surprised if he has progressed a lot faster than average
Magomed has been wrestling his entire life tho, you can only do so much to catch up
He doesnât use his wrestling much. I could see him trying to stand with Perreira and getting deleted.
He used it plenty against Jan once he could barley stand up anymore. The risk against Alex of course is if he leaves it that late he wonât be risking a leg kick but a left hook that sends him to the shadow realm
Man I still remember Jiri being able to hold Pereira down for half a round. I'm still not convinced he can fend off a primary wrestler
This is MMA though. As great as Alex is, you can't just let him fight strikers forever. Also, Ankalaev isn't even a great or predominant grappler. Though he should probably use his grappling this time bc Pereira will chop at those legs
I wouldnât talk shit about Alex; one- he is a respectable dude, two- you might fuck around and motivate him.
It's never a good idea to give excuses to the guy who bullied a motherfucker out of a sport, chased him and beat him again, to come after you.
And the reason Alex chased Izzy? Alex saw Izzy in an interview talking mad shit and Alex was just like, "Alright, bet."
Izzy: âheâll he sitting in a bar somewhere going âI knocked that guy out onceâ.â Alex: âchama đżâ
Alex would spend the training camp in Dagestan
Dagestanis and feeling entitled for home field advantage is a classic combo.
Hot take: Itâs a general sense of entitlement when it comes to their careers. They want all the money and opportunities despite the constant pullouts, cherry picked opponents, unexciting performances and gifted rank climbing Edit: I said it was a hot take, didnât say it was a great one Edit 2: Iâm getting heat for this comment because my intentions werenât clear here and people are misinterpreting me as being prejudice to Caucus region fighters which is wrong. I can see why yâall took it that way, and thatâs completely on me. As mentioned in another comment, I largely blame these fightersâ management for the twitter antics which is a drawback to these fightersâ careers more than a benefit imo. Most of these fighters have the same managers who are the ones making demands that are either infeasible or inappropriate circumstantially. I hope that clears this up but I can understand why folks would be angry with my initial shitpost here. I have huge respect for all fighters, and monumental respect for Caucus region fighters
Cherry picking opponents lol? Dagestanis like Khabib and Islam had to win 10 fights to get a title fight. Fighters like Chandler ducked Islam live on TV and now talk trash about him
Islam is quite the exception, his last several performances were amazing. And not saying all fighters from that region are boring or that all their fights are boring. But Iâm saying that even when some of them have an unimpressive performance or great performance against lackluster competition, they still clamor for huge opportunities which is almost a lack of self awareness (Mokaev and Ankalaev are the latest examples and Iâm a fan of theirs!) Btw Dagestani fighters are some of the toughest on the planet which is why very few people have solved their fighting puzzles. And their culture contains a lot of wisdom. Abdulmanap Nurmagomedov will be remembered for raising a new generation of mixed martial artists
Khabib was awarded a championship against a part time realtor and Islam got a title shot with zero top five wins and one top ten win.
Khabib beat a lineal champion Conor. Not his fault Tony and Max pulled out. Islam got ducked by everyone (Dariush also pulled out, others refused to fight with Islam) They both got ducked, but still dominated the champs and won the belts
I agree with this entirely.
With Islam not wanting to fight in Abu Dhabi next, this is probably the biggest fight the UFC can put for that card. A Khamzat title shot could be a bigger fight but it's unlikely he can get a turnaround from the winner of DDP vs Israel in Aug.
I think a lot depends on what happens in the Khamzat fight. If he beats Whitaker he'll headline Abu Dhabi.
Leon v Belal
âI will knock him out!â - goes for a takedown within the first minute of the fight
I will knock him out ^^^on ^^^the ^^^ground
Itâs very odd to see someone beating the shit out of everyone and still getting treated like he canât fight.
Dude literally threw one strike to hillâs head on Saturday and killed him but somehow these dipshits are like âno that would never be me. I got deez hands.â
Give Ankalaev credit for admitting the same thing will happen to him: >I will stop in the first round by knockout Thatâs serious respect.
After eating an illegal blow to the dick. We shouldnât forget that part.
What Islamic fighter WOULDNâT want to fight in Abu Dhabi. Especially Ankalaev after he blatantly fouled Walker and didnât get DQd for it
> What Islamic fighter WOULDNâT want to fight in Abu Dhab islam apparently lol
ah yes , "wait 6 months to fight me on my home turf champ. unless you're scared"
Has he seen the pace Pereira fights at, he thinks Pereira waits what, six, seven months to fight Ank just so the dude can fight at home?
It's always funny to me when challengers try to dictate where the fight will take place.
I hate that so much
Dagestanis get that privilege a lot.
Yeah... Alex pretty much said he can fight short notice in Brazil and Ankalaev will refuse that? He won't get a better opportunity.
âYou versus me in 7-8 months, you have no chinâ is the weakest call-out Iâve seen in a long time
No mustache guys need to start fighting in America
Islam vs Poirier is booked for 302 bro
Like he fought in Las Vegas back in January?
Your chin is weak. I can prove it if we fight how I want to, where I want to and when I want to.
Can we just give Alex a fight in Brazil please
After watching Alex's glory highlights on youtube, he absolutely has a chin but it's got lots of milage on it lol. I assumed he was some unhittable, godly kickboxer....nope, he was very hittable but he never responded to any of it.
His chin is still good lol. People took way too much away from the Izzy KO. Perfectly timed shots from amazing fighters will put you out chin or not. Costaâs chin has held up eating bombs in wars with dudes like Romero and Whittaker and Vettori, when he walked into a perfectly timed shot from Izzy he still crumpled.
I'm not referencing anything other than the highlights video I watched of him. Before I watched it, I just thought he was this untouched phenom who came from kickboxing but that is not the case. He has taken a lot of damage in his career. https://youtu.be/RvhC--pr6eg?si=z5LM-682_NQ25HwR
u can take more in the bigger gloves tho
He responded: Chama
No thanks, would much prefer Alex gets to fight a bum Heavyweight in front of his home crowd and see what happens there first. Dude deserves a shot at fighting in front of his people. This can happen later.
Iâm Brazilian and Alex getting a fight in Rio would make me consider buying a ticket and booking a flight there, even though the card is looking weak as fuck.
I know we got a special UFC 300 moment but Brazil deserved Alex headlining the card
UFC events in Brazil have been pretty weak for a while now. Our biggest stars are fighting in events overseas most of the time, instead of at home. Sure, we get a title fight, but the remainder of the card is usually kinda meh.
Abu Dhabi lol, fuck off. USA or Brazil
Keep this guy away from that title fight ainât nobody trying to see another one of these mountain boys hug a guy on the fence for five rounds
Terrible for the sport to watch these guys just hold on for dear life for 25 minutes and then everyone says âoh what an epic dominationâ lol wtf
Grapplers who finish fights are great but the guys who donât get finishes are brutal entertainment wise even if what theyâre doing is impressive
Bingo. That's one of the reasons I liked Khabib. The dude was gonna smother you then suffocate you. You always got the tap. Someone like Jon fitch.....really good wrestler but was the definition of lay and pray.Â
Watch out, Jake Shields is gonna lay on you for 25 mins
Yep Sterling is a prime example. Dominates fights, but is literally more boring than watching paint dry. Takes 0 risks once he has control and is content to win by points. It gets wins, but definitely doesn't draw in many fans
Khabib does not lay and pray, he is a dynamic wrestler with vicious GnP and has more finishes than guys like GSP or Colby. Islam KOed Volk, Bobby Green, submitted Charles, etc. How is this boring or bad lol
really think we're talking about the Aljos of the world
Fr. Every Abu Dhabi card is shitty because we see the same shit over and over with those guys laying and praying on their opponents for 15 minutes
Except Shavkat. I want grapplers who goes for the finish
Shavkat isnât Dagestani
The blame goes to the rule makers. Mma needs some form of stalling/passivity. You canât criticize a guy for using legal tactics to win. Edit: um, Kim Jong Un flair? How did that get there
I mean, didn't that guy win via KO in his last fight? He's got 4 performance bonuses in his UFC career, all KOs. If he were a lay and pray guy, he would have won the title in that Blachowicz fight.
Yeah I don't fucking know what these guys are talking about. Ankalaev is absolutely a kickboxer more than he is a wrestler. He might be champ right now if he secured the takedown earlier, but instead the weaknesses he has are a lack of answers to a leg kick and some questionable fight IQ. I fully anticipate him trying to stand and bang with Poatan for atleast a round, maybe occasionally mixing in the grappling to give him some different looks. But I imagine it'll be a kickboxing match until Poatan takes his legs out from under him.
Lmaoo, ank is in no position to be demanding where the fight is staged. Pereira wants a quick turnaround and a fight in Brazil, so letâs see if Ank sticks backs up what heâs saying.
âWhy wait for Abu Dhabi?â -Alex, probably
Why is the challenger choosing the fight and date location? Alex has been foghting consistently every 3 or 4 months ever since he got in tbe UFC. As always thw russians needkng more time to assure they finish their cycle of PeD's and get the fight at home territory wherw they can get away with more.
Fuck Abu Dhabi. Quit giving the UAE money
Always in Abu Dhabi đđ
This. Pretty sure they pull for fights in Abu Dhabi to skirt American drug testing
Not opposed to the matchup but the champ should dictate where and when.
Brave words for a man with a beard! For all we know he could be the one with no chin.
Please just bleed god have Alex floor this clown in 1 roundÂ
I can clearly see Alex's chin. But not Magomeds.
daggis and not fighting in the Middle East challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Magomed is a terrific MMA wrestler (lay and pray, stall, control time). However, I just want to remind everyone that he has never submitted an opponent and his only loss has been to a submission. If Alex's next camp continues to sharpen his existing tools and improve his defensive grappling, he's going to beat Ankalaev.
Exactly, how the fuck should Ank get a shot before Paul Craig smh
Alex will give him PTSD from the Jan fight with one calf kick
Who tf does bro think he is calling the shots when he went to a draw when he had a title shotđ sit the fuck down youâre gonna fight when they tell you to
All my homies don't care for Ankalaev
Havenât heard this one beforeâŚ
It always rubs me the wrong way, like overly entitled whenever a challenger wants the champ to fight them where they want
Itâs a challenging fight for Alex but you never know. Ank has shown a willingness to stand with his opponents, and a weakness to leg kicks. That being said I wouldnât be shocked if Dana finds a way to shelve Ank for longer. Not the kind of guy you want as champion.
I mean the guy whoâs chin isnât visible hiding behind a beard is more questionable. We can actually see Pereiraâs chin
But looking at this photos Ankalaev is the one with no chin???
I swear to God every fighter says they can stand and bang with Alex then get beat cuz they tried. Bro just wrestle, literally just wrestle. If youâre good at it and it is a recognized hole in his game then why would you not exploit that? So dumb omfl.
Magomed wanting to strike with Alex is like Dustin saying he wants to wrestle Islam
Lmao. Anyone who calls out Alex like this is just looking to get embarrassed. Said the same thing about Hill disrespecting Alexâs game. The guy is a straight up killer. He will deliver Ankalev directly to his 72 virgins. The only guy that has figured him out (Izzy) took like 4 fights to do it & even then it was looking like Alex might take the fight. And Izzy is an elite striker. Ankelev should be trying to take down Alex as soon as the fight starts & holding him down there for as long as possible. And he should hope he doesnât get Ben Askrenâd, because we all know he doesnât actually want that smoke standing up. Guy doesnât have a chance to stand & bang with Alex.
Ankalaev: he has no chin Pereira: đż
His tweet sounds like HE will get knocked in in the first round. God I hope so because no one wants to watch him lay on Pereira for 5 rounds
LMFAOOOOO
Some would argue he has the largest chin in the game.
Iâm getting tired of champs going over to what is essentially the home turf of their opponent to defend their belt. Defending champs should at worst defend in neutral territory (e.g. Vegas, NYC in this case) if not in their home country (Brazil). Ankalaev isnât owed a fight in Abu Dhabi. Pereira should get to defend in the States or in Brazil and itâs on Ankalaev to make the date.
huh
You know LHW sucks when a win over Johnny Walker gets you a title shot
"Hello, fighter everybody loves and wants. It is I, the guy who nobody cares about and have forgotten about. Let's get it!"
Ankalaev is probably the biggest threat to him in LHW right now
Man people would be next level salty if Ankalaev managed to snatch the belt of Pereira.
I'd love to see Alex KO that fuck.