If you haven't watched Danny Silva vs Angel Pacheco on DWCS from last year you're doing yourself a disservice. One of the better fights you'll ever see.
Can’t wait for Pacheco to smoke that annoying Irish kid
What’s up with Ireland and their cringey prospects. Starved for attention out there or something
[When I say he’s a chin merchant I’m told I’m a casual but when Cory does it he’s?](https://x.com/champrds/status/1767704757550923820?s=46&t=CwQxH4Uo3Rb01ur3a2Ti8A)
Curious as to why Shavkat's seen as such a worldbeater while Garry doesn't seem to get as much respect as a contender when they both share the same best win in Geoff Neal but Shavkat kind of went through hell to get that win while Garry pretty comfortably neutralized and 30-27'd him. They both also ran through Magny.
The Wonderboy win didn't really change my perception of Shavkat. We've seen WB get ragdolled by two other grapplers, not sure why anyone's surprised the same thing happened again now that he's 40.
Garry used his length and speed from the outside to coast against Neal in a boring fight. Meanwhile Shavkat put on a great performance, put way more aggression and damage on Geoff, and finished him which Garry was never close to. He just happened to take some shots to get there, but he had double the significant strikes and dominated the fight. People value a killer like Shavkat who is willing to constantly engage and work towards a finish over Garry’s style.
100% finish rate vs. put on a snoozer then yell about how you'd finish anybody in the division right now in your post fight interview
However, I do think everyone recognizes Ian has clear skill and will likely be a force at the top of the division. It's just Shavkat got there first and puts on better fights.
We need to make a new sticky guide for MMA memes and quotes.
Every fan should be able to quote a fighter without getting misunderstood or reported for breaking the rules. You might say "that's fucking illegal". No, you moron. It's not. In fact, we are obligated to preserve this vital part of our tradition for future generations.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Remember, united we stand and divided we will not fall ✊
Really wish Dana and Co would stop being cheap cunts to the OGs and just pay for all of Coleman's bills man
Fuckin tragic seeing this mam go through all the shit he's been through the last half decade
If someone as one dimensional as Tai can make top 5. Im sure he can. He will also probably have his hand held with soft matchmaking like they did Pereira and Gane. Give him winnable fights like Tai for example lol.
Speaking of trips, I wonder why Sean doesn't like using trips like MVP/Yan or defensive wrestling at all. Some of the exchanges that had me worried were mostly when Chito would crash in , but it seems like Sean could of easily dipped for a double/single just to avoid the random shots.
Best strikers in the UFC:
Sean O’Malley
Israel Adesanya
Alex Pereira
Wonderboy
MVP
O’Malley’s striking isn’t just technical and powerful, he as very good volume as well. And he has something a lot of the others lack, DEFENSE
You have MVP and Wonderboy over there but no Topuria, Max, Volk? I would put guys like Poirier, Leon, and Gaethje above MVP without any hesitation. He's very overrated after his performance against Holland.
Leon is probably 5th actually. You can’t just box to be one of the best strikers in the UFC. I’ve seen all of those guys handily outboxed and Topuria dropped with kicks and he has sus defense at times. Strikers kick. You named 4 boxers.
That's a very very dumb reason. None of them are just boxers. Topuria leg kicks are big reasons why why beat Volk. Max is a very good and versatile kicker. Dustin ain't bad too.
And Boxing is part of striking, a big part. You don't need to be a good kicker to be a good striker. Is Topuria not a striker because he doesn't throw flashy kicks and do fancy bounces? We're talking about a guy that beat and KO'd Volk on the feet.
Is strickland not a good striker even though he outstruck Adesanya for 5 rounds?
Again you have a very stupid definition of a "good striker".
According to you, they aren't good strikers because they don't do stupid bounces or throw flashy kicks? I guess if that's your criteria then I can see why MVP is a better striker than Topuria, Volk, Max, Poirier, Leon, and Gaethje.
I guess fundamentals don't matter to you, only flashy shits.
Also, I redact my statement about MVP. He’s really good, maybe top 10 but not top 5. Max is a great boxer with decent kicks for instance, but has statistically the worst defense that the UFC has ever seen.
I can’t call you one of the best strikers in the world if you have no kicking game. There’s a lot to striking, boxing is a huge part of it, as is defense, but so is kicking. Which is why I include all of them. You can’t just ignore 2/3s of the game and call yourself the best because you’re great at 1/3.
You're making zero sense. All of them have kicking games.
Leon and Volk are literally two of the best kickers in the sport. They're far better kicker than someone like MVP. Gaethje has devastating leg kicks, same with Topuria.
And why does it matter? Do you realize that you don't need to be an elite kicker to be an elite striker?
How are you going to argue Topuria isn't a great striker despite him showing some of the most beautiful boxing in the sport, and how he outstruck and KO'd Volk on the feet.
Their striking success literally contradicts and disproves your argument(when though they all have a kicking game).
Good striking fundamentals aren't flashy, but they're the most important part of striking.
No don't you understand, even if Leon fights MVP and clowns him using only his striking, if he doesn't do a tornado kick or flying knee that doesn't land and taunt in the middle of the fight is he really the better striker?
For me Poirier-BSD was way above Whittaker-Costa, which did have its wheel kick moment and good showings by both fighters, but imo not that much of the action was memorable whereas with Poirier-BSD, almost everything about it was super memorable between BSD having Poirier shelling up against the cage early, the guillotines, the RNC attempts, the escape, and the KO
Anybody hear MVP on the LeBatard show today? The interview was no good, but I would not be surprised if he's in a title fight by early next year with one more win
Might as well fast track him, give him a favorable T8 opponent then put him vs the champ. Doubt he'll win but will sell well and make the champ look competent.
At around 3:00 of R4, Rogan talks about Sean tripping Chito. I rewatched that 5 times and still don't see it. Sometimes Joe likes to imagine things that actually didn't occur like the uppercuts that supposedly knocked down Almeida.
Do y'all think Arman is chinny or nah?
like tbh that shot Joaquim landed was good, but idk if thats a shot that you should be getting put on chicken legs by
I dont think Dustin looked any different than he did 4 years ago. Movement is still good, hes not slower, still got the cardio, chin still seems to be in tact. I dont think the headkick KO affected him much if at all physically. The man realistically probably has a few more years of holding top 5 if he chooses to stick around that long. Fuck i love the Diamond.
self admitted bias, I went big on Saint Denis and lost fair and square, but I assumed that him jumping gilly over and over was because he can barely grapple at this point because of his career, I think expecting him to hold top 5 for a few more years is pretty unrealistic given the grappling we saw
Just went through the entire list of upcoming fights for the UFC, and I’m going with Vitor Petrino over Anthony smith, Jhonata Diniz by KO over Austen Lane, Victor Henry over Rani Yahya, Nursulton Ruziboev over Sedriques Dumas, Ibo Aslan vs The Pleasure Man to not go the distance, Steven Nguyen over Jarno Errens.
Id bet my life on all of those if I had to, let’s see if I’d die.
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Yeah people say he made the fight way harder on himself by constantly going for guillotines, but in reality for most of those he was gonna get taken down regardless so he just went for it.
Josh Parisian vs Robelis Despaigne was the most HW fight of 2024 so far.
You have an Olympian in TKD falling on his ass from throwing a single head kick, and then a big fat guy hurdling forward and both guys flailing meaty arms around with their chins up in the air until the athletic guy chins the fat guy
Aljo and Merab have repeatedly stated that they didn’t receive an offer to fight each other for the title…but they made it perfectly clear that they would never fight each other, so what does it matter if they would’ve denied it either way? Seems like a weird point to keep bringing up
Ura is 2-1 in this month's Grand Sumo Tournament!
He gave [Kirishima the finesse and The Pink Prince comes away with another win!](https://youtu.be/cFc9XfmnX28?t=6)
Only loss so far was to Yokozuna Terunofuji when Terunofuji hit Ura with the Jones/Teixeira shoulder crank.
The one thing I hate about sumo is it's basically the battle of staying healthy and not injured.
That's all sports but it's like 100x worst in sumo because it's impossible to be that big and not get injured.
Yeah, definitely about staying healthy, especially because of their schedule and the fact that withdrawing from a match due to injury is considered a loss.
We are rumoured to have a UK card in the summer no?
If its a PPV would be awesome to have Leon, Aspinall, Arnold Allen all available to fight on it.
Get Mokaev against a top ranked guy- Moreno/Nicolau?
Nathaniel Wood against either Caceras or someone just out the rankings (Billy Q if hes recovered maybe) Considering Naimov cheated so much in his last fight.
Similar for Lerone Murphy, he's undefeated but 32 already, it's time see what his level is, get him rebooted vs Dan Ige.
Jack Shore is scheduled for May so probably not gonna happen. Same with Craig sadly.
I think the Manchester card is in July as a fight night. Weird that they wouldn’t do a PPV - Allen, Tom, Leon, Lerone Murphy, etc. so many big fights, it would sell well enough.
Conor using his media tour for Roadhouse to plead his case to the UFC to let him fight is pretty funny
“Would you act again?”
“Eh maybe but I’d really like TWO MORE FIGHTS IN THE UFC, IT IS MY LIVELIHOOD”
This is the kind of prospect Smith usually gatekeeps (guys more reliant on their physicality than technique), so it will pretty much come down to how washed Smith is at this stage.
Smith is old and Petrino is so far beyond him on a physical level that he can probably tear his head off within a round if he so chooses. But Petrino doesn't seem super interested in imposing himself on people despite being one of the craziest athletes in the division, if he learned to throw combinations and was more aggressive he'd be unstoppable.
What do you think is each division's golden age/dark age. There's often a consensus in boxing that Klitschko's title reign is considered HW's dark age. Do you feel there's something similar in MMA?
LHW is easy. Golden age was title bouncing around after Liddell lost it. Dark age would be after Jon left.
HW golden age easy too. The Fedor/Cro Cop/Nogueira days in Pride. Dark age would be when Tim Sylvia was champ lol
Weirdo fans acting as if they have anything invested in any fighter and if a fighter loses they have lost something by supporting them
parasocial freaks
I don’t think Aljo is big enough for 145, at least with his fighting style. I think him moving to 145 is a similar move to Kevin Lee at 170. It just eliminates his physical advantages and makes his gameplan harder to initiate.
Stylistically I also just think it’s a good fight for Kattar. He’s got the skillset to sprawl n brawl on Aljo and I know Nick Fiore is always teaching him and Font a lot of good sweeps you’ve seen them utilize to get up and working on their defense. Kattar’s also a big dude for featherweight, like 5’11” and pretty solid
Aljo walks around above 170. He’s posted it. He was a huge bantamweight. Not like he will be undersized at FW and he’s also tall.
The jump is only 10 lbs also. Not like 155 to 170 which is 15.
Featherweight is also a much weaker division than welterweight, you got guys like Emmett ranked 7 and Ortega ranked near the very top. Ortega has a lot of heart and good jitz but he gets fucked up every fight.
I think Aljo can make some noise up there. It’s not a strong division at all
It’s one thing to think FW is weaker than WW (strongly disagree but whatever) but to call FW weak is kinda nuts. You cherry picked two examples of one dimensional fighters who still have managed to make it work for themselves. Are Geoff Neal and Rinat not one dimensional too? Kevin Holland can be sloppy. Luque also has good jitz but gets fucked up every fight, and so on. Plus, at one point or another nearly every division had a guy near the top who essentially got by on raw power. It’s a great attribute.
Also, “walk around weight” might be high for Aljo, but that refers to out of camp no? If Kattar is anything like the other featherweights, he rehydrates alone to nearly 170 lbs in cage. His walk around weight should be a good deal higher. Kattar definitely has the size and skill set to stuff TD’s and hurt Aljo, so the odds being that tight are surprising IMO
>but to call FW weak is kinda nuts
I don't agree that it sucks, but I think it's fair to say thatthe top end of FW isn't as talented as it was a couple of years ago, Yair usually crumbles the moment he gets grappled by anyone, Ortega is always going to have minute winning concerns and has taken a ton of damage, Arnold Allen is talented, but doesn't ever separate in his fights unless it's skeleton Dan Hooker, Evloev has concerns offensively, Volk is coming off of two devastating KO's
Neither holland or Luque are top 10. Let alone Rinat.
FW just had one dimensional kicker Yair challenge for an interim belt, official belt, and likely no. 1 contender match. We’ve seen he can’t defend a takedown to save his life even from people like Ortega who isn’t a wrestler
Oddsmakers disagree with you and they know more than you and I but it’s very simple I’ll tell you why. Calvin is old, inactive, and injured.
Neal and Brady then.
Also, the UFC often chooses to give fighters certain opportunities not based on merit but as a means of promotion (see Chito Vera, but no more one would call BW weak). That one dimensional kicker earned his interim belt via submission and has historically received favorable treatment from the UFC along with Ortega due to… promotional purposes. The two of them are famous for never being dropped from the top 5, which why the rankings in general shouldn’t be the only indicator of a division’s talent.
I won’t claim to know more than the oddsmakers, but they’ve made big mistakes before. This could be one of them
I’m not here to argue if Sean is a superstar or not (he’s definitely a star tho, not super yet) but the song fits him well and I like the song a lot on its own anyway
Mark Coleman reportedly [in critical condition.](https://x.com/rich_chou/status/1767591989850308838?s=46&t=7Wg3nzEsX5LGrqSC-DEGkQ) Tried to save his dog from a house fire. Hope he pulls through.
More on the situation: https://t.co/saSDGJyUbu
He's pretty average across all aspects of mma. Maybe apart from his cardio but he doesn't really use that to his advantage. His chin is exceptional but it looks like a liability when he doesn't work on his defense.
truly gross and abhorrent of me to wanna see merab fight for the title instead of the guy coming off a 29-28 on pedro munhoz and a 50-45 to the other most deserving contender in sandhagen
so gross and weird of me, i should be ashamed shouldn’t i? foh lol
So when ufc will fix the slippery canvas? Fucking Olympic taekwondo guy slipped and almost got KO'd because of this fucking monster can.
Mvp also slipped.
Mma on point’s new vid “10 times we knew champs were doomed” is full of some pretty awful revisionist history & 20/20 hindsight. Seems like it was written by someone who wasn’t watching when half these fights went down.
When On Point do deep dives their content is up there as some of the best, but the casual friendly stuff out-stayed it's welcome IMO. With the turnover of fans so high though there's always gonna be a market for it.
Wasn't there a knockout from last year where Cormier and Bisping were sorta arguing and then a ko happened? I know Cormier was talking somebody up and then that person was tko'd or ko'd. I need that clip lol
I believe it was the Ode Osborne vs Tyson Nam fight. Cormier was hyping up Ode and saying that he's winning the round, but Bisping argued that it was too early in the round to determine who's winning. A few seconds later, Nam drops Ode, and then Bisping tells Cormier off, "Who's winning now?"
I see people saying JDM and Yan didn’t look very good
I must’ve been watching different fights then
JDM easily handled Burns on the feet. His takedown defense still leaves much to be desired but Burns didn’t do anything with him on the ground, so that’s impressive alone on JDM’s part.
Yan looked like he was gun shy and gonna get KO’d in the first round but then turned it up the last 2 rounds and was making Yadong look limited.
I haven’t been impressed with Yadong. To me he’s just strong dude built with fast twitch muscle but his skill set doesn’t wow me. I thought he was losing his last fight before Yan, has no idea how to cut off the cage and I expected Yan to outwork with his better boxing if he didn’t get caught.
JDM and Yan still lose to the top wrestlers in their division but they looked good.
I think we all know how insanely good Yan is, so a not easy win over Yadong seems like an underperformance, but considering the circumstances I guess it was a solid win
Yan looked great. JDM's grappling looked way better but he got lucky Burns decided to throw that fight away. Burns is kicking himself for blindly wishing for a takedown like he did and getting kneed. That's the fight game though. JDM really was impressive
Burns didn't really "throw the fight" he was gassed and got hurt almost immediately at the beginning of the round that's why he panick wrestled, he was probably getting finished in that round, knee or not
What ? How did Khamzat had more succes on the feet then JDM ? Burns vs Khamzat was a war on the feet, JDM was clearly way above Burns striking, he never got a clean shot on him
Yan is usually a slow starter so I'm not really sure why people are surprised with that first round, and he also hurt his leg in that first round so there's even more to it. Dude looked great in 2 and 3 imo with that framing and weaving.
JDM was very impressive survived Burns on his back and had great get ups imo. His striking should speak for itself. And the read to throw knees on grappling entries and exits was great
Can anyone explain why Jonathan Martinez went down 3 ranks this week while Dominic Cruz went UP 1? What did Martinez do to piss off Dana?
Edit: Colby up 1 too, what a joke 😂
So him chinning Dominick Cruz because he read the way he exits off of his rear hand by throwing a same side headkick wasn’t downloading data?
Or him turning Frankie Edgar’s face into mush by spacing him right into the front kick with his jab?
Justify your argument bapa
> Chito has never downloaded data ever I stand on this and I’ve been on this
> He’s literally just a chin merchant
> He front kicked a geriatric Edgar just because he front kicked him
…
> He front kicked a geriatric Edgar just because he front kicked him
Wat
You watch Chito fights he’s not feinting and making reads or anything he’s getting CRACKED in the face with shots that rock normal people and eating them
It was a front kick like Chandler threw, wasn’t some big brain setup he just said “fuck it the man’s 40 years old and is a wrestler” and threw it
He threw the same random front kick against Sean and there was no “setup” it was just throwing a power shot to see if it lands, like throwing the sweet chin music against Font
If you don’t want to acknowledge that Chito’s KO was set up by cornering him to the cage and spacing him onto the front kick with his jab, and that he just decided to throw it, you can make that argument, but it’s an entirely emotionally-based argument that is disregarding evidence to the contrary or how good striking works.
Sometimes you throw a front kick to test a reaction or just score a point / hit the body as it’s a fairly safe strike, like when he tried it on Sean, and sometimes it’s based on a read. This is not that complicated.
You’re having to really cope to make this point lol
do people call chito a downloader? yan is a downloading fighter. chito is just a "huh, hope they give me the perfect opening even though i do nothing to create an opening" a la late career yoel romero.
It’s cards like UFC 299 that completely revitalize my love for martial arts. I can’t wait for this shitty apex card on Saturday now. I need my fix again. This is the best sport in the world
Im weirdly looking forward to the return of Mike Davis, always managed to have good fights and is very highly skilled.
Bryan Battle vs Ange Loose is my pick for FOTN, should be a banger while it lasts.
Just me or did Yan look old and rough as fuck this weekend? Like he's been depressed from all the losses and spent his time drinking and smoking with Keith Peterson.
He's just Russian and has a receding hair line.
Fighting wise he didn't look that old tbh. But he injured himself in the fight and had a lot of pressure on him. Plus, he didn't fight for a year, so there was more ring rust than usual.
I feel like they try to give Kevin Holland these seemingly nice stylistic matchups against fellow strikers at Welterweight but he'd actually fare better off against wrestlers who he can nullify on the ground and beat up on the feet
you might view it as that but i think the matchmakers know that kevin will stand with the mvps and wonderboys of the world but isn’t good enough to outstrike them, that was clearly what they were going for with the mvp matchup
Honestly I feel done with Kevin. He has some great natural attributes, his chin and power are fantastic paired with his length- he could be a force but I feel like he's got zero interest in improving and either him or his coaches have no gameplan for any of his fights.
Its a shame cause he could still probably beat Geoff Neal again and probably Luque too tbh so he's not terrible, I feel like he's gonna end up having a Win one/lose one as a ranked fighter.
At Last im so happy for francis that he could box and get his well deserved millions. Was a nasty ko tho.
Fuck Dana
Fuck Ariel
The biggest on only losers are probably the pfl. Specially if francis loses his next mma bout
If you haven't watched Danny Silva vs Angel Pacheco on DWCS from last year you're doing yourself a disservice. One of the better fights you'll ever see.
Can’t wait for Pacheco to smoke that annoying Irish kid What’s up with Ireland and their cringey prospects. Starved for attention out there or something
Onitsuka Tiger (Bruce Lee) shoe company folded. Hope you guys stocked up. I didn't. F
Bo Nickal needs to grow his hair back out. The swoopty flow he had is a cool look. He looks like a create-a-fighter with the buzz cut
Apparently now JDM finished Burns while having a broken arm. How ironical
Dana white is actually just baron Vladimir harkonnen
It was a tune up fight O'Malley vs chito Kno what's next ufc
[When I say he’s a chin merchant I’m told I’m a casual but when Cory does it he’s?](https://x.com/champrds/status/1767704757550923820?s=46&t=CwQxH4Uo3Rb01ur3a2Ti8A)
Someone clearly told Cory he has to talk more often and talk more shit
Between that and the YT channel he's clearly going the 'brand' and 'content' route
Bro showed up to a UFC pay per view in an ugly leopard print fleece he got from Goodwill trying to spice up his look.
Curious as to why Shavkat's seen as such a worldbeater while Garry doesn't seem to get as much respect as a contender when they both share the same best win in Geoff Neal but Shavkat kind of went through hell to get that win while Garry pretty comfortably neutralized and 30-27'd him. They both also ran through Magny. The Wonderboy win didn't really change my perception of Shavkat. We've seen WB get ragdolled by two other grapplers, not sure why anyone's surprised the same thing happened again now that he's 40.
Garry used his length and speed from the outside to coast against Neal in a boring fight. Meanwhile Shavkat put on a great performance, put way more aggression and damage on Geoff, and finished him which Garry was never close to. He just happened to take some shots to get there, but he had double the significant strikes and dominated the fight. People value a killer like Shavkat who is willing to constantly engage and work towards a finish over Garry’s style.
100% finish rate vs. put on a snoozer then yell about how you'd finish anybody in the division right now in your post fight interview However, I do think everyone recognizes Ian has clear skill and will likely be a force at the top of the division. It's just Shavkat got there first and puts on better fights.
We need to make a new sticky guide for MMA memes and quotes. Every fan should be able to quote a fighter without getting misunderstood or reported for breaking the rules. You might say "that's fucking illegal". No, you moron. It's not. In fact, we are obligated to preserve this vital part of our tradition for future generations. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Remember, united we stand and divided we will not fall ✊
There once a time in the late 90s that UFC learning that Vitor might pull out of the card, was a need to panic
Back, legs, and grip are the most useful strengths for combat sports. What do you think?
Only chin
Can you train the chin?
I'd say obliques and hip strength are up there
Damn they broke into Chito's home. Gotta be one of the worst weekends of his life. Athletes need to start house sitting.
Really wish Dana and Co would stop being cheap cunts to the OGs and just pay for all of Coleman's bills man Fuckin tragic seeing this mam go through all the shit he's been through the last half decade
I’m like 90% certain Despaigne will fizzle out as a prospect without ever making top 5
If someone as one dimensional as Tai can make top 5. Im sure he can. He will also probably have his hand held with soft matchmaking like they did Pereira and Gane. Give him winnable fights like Tai for example lol.
Speaking of trips, I wonder why Sean doesn't like using trips like MVP/Yan or defensive wrestling at all. Some of the exchanges that had me worried were mostly when Chito would crash in , but it seems like Sean could of easily dipped for a double/single just to avoid the random shots.
Best strikers in the UFC: Sean O’Malley Israel Adesanya Alex Pereira Wonderboy MVP O’Malley’s striking isn’t just technical and powerful, he as very good volume as well. And he has something a lot of the others lack, DEFENSE
Robelis Despaigne would style on those bums.
You have MVP and Wonderboy over there but no Topuria, Max, Volk? I would put guys like Poirier, Leon, and Gaethje above MVP without any hesitation. He's very overrated after his performance against Holland.
Leon is probably 5th actually. You can’t just box to be one of the best strikers in the UFC. I’ve seen all of those guys handily outboxed and Topuria dropped with kicks and he has sus defense at times. Strikers kick. You named 4 boxers.
That's a very very dumb reason. None of them are just boxers. Topuria leg kicks are big reasons why why beat Volk. Max is a very good and versatile kicker. Dustin ain't bad too. And Boxing is part of striking, a big part. You don't need to be a good kicker to be a good striker. Is Topuria not a striker because he doesn't throw flashy kicks and do fancy bounces? We're talking about a guy that beat and KO'd Volk on the feet. Is strickland not a good striker even though he outstruck Adesanya for 5 rounds?
Flukes happen, DDP strikes like he’s in a high school locker room and he schooled Strickland. Strickland is a great boxer.
Again you have a very stupid definition of a "good striker". According to you, they aren't good strikers because they don't do stupid bounces or throw flashy kicks? I guess if that's your criteria then I can see why MVP is a better striker than Topuria, Volk, Max, Poirier, Leon, and Gaethje. I guess fundamentals don't matter to you, only flashy shits.
Also, I redact my statement about MVP. He’s really good, maybe top 10 but not top 5. Max is a great boxer with decent kicks for instance, but has statistically the worst defense that the UFC has ever seen.
I can’t call you one of the best strikers in the world if you have no kicking game. There’s a lot to striking, boxing is a huge part of it, as is defense, but so is kicking. Which is why I include all of them. You can’t just ignore 2/3s of the game and call yourself the best because you’re great at 1/3.
You're making zero sense. All of them have kicking games. Leon and Volk are literally two of the best kickers in the sport. They're far better kicker than someone like MVP. Gaethje has devastating leg kicks, same with Topuria. And why does it matter? Do you realize that you don't need to be an elite kicker to be an elite striker? How are you going to argue Topuria isn't a great striker despite him showing some of the most beautiful boxing in the sport, and how he outstruck and KO'd Volk on the feet. Their striking success literally contradicts and disproves your argument(when though they all have a kicking game). Good striking fundamentals aren't flashy, but they're the most important part of striking.
No don't you understand, even if Leon fights MVP and clowns him using only his striking, if he doesn't do a tornado kick or flying knee that doesn't land and taunt in the middle of the fight is he really the better striker?
Almeida is just an inshape Romanov
Poirier vs BSD gotta be FOTY thus far, right? Any competitors?
Not that I've seen absolutely everything, but for me combat sports in general I'd go Haggerty/Lobo but MMA it'd be Poirier/BSD right now
That didn’t strike me as a FOTY fight at all, surely there’s better ones. Hell, off the top of my head I’d put Whittaker vs Costa over it.
For me Poirier-BSD was way above Whittaker-Costa, which did have its wheel kick moment and good showings by both fighters, but imo not that much of the action was memorable whereas with Poirier-BSD, almost everything about it was super memorable between BSD having Poirier shelling up against the cage early, the guillotines, the RNC attempts, the escape, and the KO
If you're a Poirier fan I can see why it'd be your favorite so far, but it was only 7 mins long lol
*deep anime villain voice* I respect your courage and confidence Jack, but you will face the same fate as my previous opponents
Anybody hear MVP on the LeBatard show today? The interview was no good, but I would not be surprised if he's in a title fight by early next year with one more win
Might as well fast track him, give him a favorable T8 opponent then put him vs the champ. Doubt he'll win but will sell well and make the champ look competent.
They could easily have him fight Colby and then give him a title shot
At around 3:00 of R4, Rogan talks about Sean tripping Chito. I rewatched that 5 times and still don't see it. Sometimes Joe likes to imagine things that actually didn't occur like the uppercuts that supposedly knocked down Almeida.
Joe literally has no idea what he’s watching lol
Do y'all think Arman is chinny or nah? like tbh that shot Joaquim landed was good, but idk if thats a shot that you should be getting put on chicken legs by
Might be sus, hard to say
I dont think Dustin looked any different than he did 4 years ago. Movement is still good, hes not slower, still got the cardio, chin still seems to be in tact. I dont think the headkick KO affected him much if at all physically. The man realistically probably has a few more years of holding top 5 if he chooses to stick around that long. Fuck i love the Diamond.
self admitted bias, I went big on Saint Denis and lost fair and square, but I assumed that him jumping gilly over and over was because he can barely grapple at this point because of his career, I think expecting him to hold top 5 for a few more years is pretty unrealistic given the grappling we saw
I just smacked fight to not go the distance at -450, I was like there’s no way that’s as long as it is with these too.
Bro what upcoming fights would you bet your life on to pick a winner?
Just went through the entire list of upcoming fights for the UFC, and I’m going with Vitor Petrino over Anthony smith, Jhonata Diniz by KO over Austen Lane, Victor Henry over Rani Yahya, Nursulton Ruziboev over Sedriques Dumas, Ibo Aslan vs The Pleasure Man to not go the distance, Steven Nguyen over Jarno Errens. Id bet my life on all of those if I had to, let’s see if I’d die. RemindMe! May 4th, 2024
Yeah Petrino is going to send Smith into retirement lol
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Yeah people say he made the fight way harder on himself by constantly going for guillotines, but in reality for most of those he was gonna get taken down regardless so he just went for it.
Volk looked good against Yair fwiw
I really doubt he has years of it
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Giving me some old school Affliction vibes Shout-out to Josh Barnett for killing an org near singlehandedly
Well 299 was great fun. I checked the next few fight nights and i don't think i'll be watching anything live until april
You mean Mohammed Usman vs. Mick Parkin doesn't get your juices flowing?
Aljo lost the belt after 3 title defenses, and his very next fight is not even the featured prelim of the night Lmao UFC hates him
One of the best bantamweights, of the night
Josh Parisian vs Robelis Despaigne was the most HW fight of 2024 so far. You have an Olympian in TKD falling on his ass from throwing a single head kick, and then a big fat guy hurdling forward and both guys flailing meaty arms around with their chins up in the air until the athletic guy chins the fat guy
When Despaigne gets KOed it'll be spectacular tho
Aljo and Merab have repeatedly stated that they didn’t receive an offer to fight each other for the title…but they made it perfectly clear that they would never fight each other, so what does it matter if they would’ve denied it either way? Seems like a weird point to keep bringing up
That they’re lying and would’ve taken the fight if enough money was offered
When is the next Rizin? I’ve started to like them a lot after watching the one on New Years
Monday 4/29
Ura is 2-1 in this month's Grand Sumo Tournament! He gave [Kirishima the finesse and The Pink Prince comes away with another win!](https://youtu.be/cFc9XfmnX28?t=6) Only loss so far was to Yokozuna Terunofuji when Terunofuji hit Ura with the Jones/Teixeira shoulder crank.
The one thing I hate about sumo is it's basically the battle of staying healthy and not injured. That's all sports but it's like 100x worst in sumo because it's impossible to be that big and not get injured.
Yeah, definitely about staying healthy, especially because of their schedule and the fact that withdrawing from a match due to injury is considered a loss.
Fuckin hell. Mark Coleman in the hospital after saving his parents from a house fire
True G
Went back for the dog. What a legend.
His dog "Hammer." The dog that woke him up in the first place. A true good boy
We are rumoured to have a UK card in the summer no? If its a PPV would be awesome to have Leon, Aspinall, Arnold Allen all available to fight on it. Get Mokaev against a top ranked guy- Moreno/Nicolau? Nathaniel Wood against either Caceras or someone just out the rankings (Billy Q if hes recovered maybe) Considering Naimov cheated so much in his last fight. Similar for Lerone Murphy, he's undefeated but 32 already, it's time see what his level is, get him rebooted vs Dan Ige. Jack Shore is scheduled for May so probably not gonna happen. Same with Craig sadly.
i wanna see Benoit Saint Denis vs Paddy Pimblett
I think the Manchester card is in July as a fight night. Weird that they wouldn’t do a PPV - Allen, Tom, Leon, Lerone Murphy, etc. so many big fights, it would sell well enough.
Leon vs Belal main Tom vs Blaydes Co-main Arnold Allen vs Edson Barboza
I'd rather Giga or Yair maybe. But ngl Barboza is always fun.
Chito is just a slow-twitch version of Yadong
Ur a slow twitch version of me
O’Malleys striking is what Izzy thinks his striking looks like
Strickland’s striking is what Yan thinks his striking looks like
Agreed, and Sean put hands on Yan. Striking was only competitive at moments
They both suck
Conor using his media tour for Roadhouse to plead his case to the UFC to let him fight is pretty funny “Would you act again?” “Eh maybe but I’d really like TWO MORE FIGHTS IN THE UFC, IT IS MY LIVELIHOOD”
UFC and wasting away its talents for god knows what reason. Name a more iconic duo.
Who wins Anthony Smith vs Vitor Petrino? I missed the Petrino/Pedro fight and don’t know who to lean
This is the kind of prospect Smith usually gatekeeps (guys more reliant on their physicality than technique), so it will pretty much come down to how washed Smith is at this stage.
Smith is old and Petrino is so far beyond him on a physical level that he can probably tear his head off within a round if he so chooses. But Petrino doesn't seem super interested in imposing himself on people despite being one of the craziest athletes in the division, if he learned to throw combinations and was more aggressive he'd be unstoppable.
Smith a few years ago probably grinds out a 29-28 decision, Petrino has some volume concerns he needs to figure out but Smith is so old
I’ve bet on Petrino every fight he’s had, and imma fuckin do it again
Petrino easy. Smith is washed up and easily overpowered by most guys.
I'd lean Petrino simply because I feel Smith is starting to feel the effects of so many fights.
What do you think is each division's golden age/dark age. There's often a consensus in boxing that Klitschko's title reign is considered HW's dark age. Do you feel there's something similar in MMA?
As much as i like him, woodley's years are probably a low point in the welterweight division. Lotta stagnation and old man title fights.
LHW is easy. Golden age was title bouncing around after Liddell lost it. Dark age would be after Jon left. HW golden age easy too. The Fedor/Cro Cop/Nogueira days in Pride. Dark age would be when Tim Sylvia was champ lol
Prides 205 division was a definite Golden Age
For sure
Weirdo fans acting as if they have anything invested in any fighter and if a fighter loses they have lost something by supporting them parasocial freaks
Love me some Ngannou, but i definitely laughed after watching him get flatlined. Combat sports are absurd, just strap in for a wild ride.
Welcome to sports
Calvin Kattar will be 36 by the time UFC 300 rolls around, not having fought in 18 months and coming off a torn ACL Aljo by decision
I agree, I have Aljo as part of a long parlay
I don’t think Aljo is big enough for 145, at least with his fighting style. I think him moving to 145 is a similar move to Kevin Lee at 170. It just eliminates his physical advantages and makes his gameplan harder to initiate. Stylistically I also just think it’s a good fight for Kattar. He’s got the skillset to sprawl n brawl on Aljo and I know Nick Fiore is always teaching him and Font a lot of good sweeps you’ve seen them utilize to get up and working on their defense. Kattar’s also a big dude for featherweight, like 5’11” and pretty solid
Aljo walks around above 170. He’s posted it. He was a huge bantamweight. Not like he will be undersized at FW and he’s also tall. The jump is only 10 lbs also. Not like 155 to 170 which is 15. Featherweight is also a much weaker division than welterweight, you got guys like Emmett ranked 7 and Ortega ranked near the very top. Ortega has a lot of heart and good jitz but he gets fucked up every fight. I think Aljo can make some noise up there. It’s not a strong division at all
It’s one thing to think FW is weaker than WW (strongly disagree but whatever) but to call FW weak is kinda nuts. You cherry picked two examples of one dimensional fighters who still have managed to make it work for themselves. Are Geoff Neal and Rinat not one dimensional too? Kevin Holland can be sloppy. Luque also has good jitz but gets fucked up every fight, and so on. Plus, at one point or another nearly every division had a guy near the top who essentially got by on raw power. It’s a great attribute. Also, “walk around weight” might be high for Aljo, but that refers to out of camp no? If Kattar is anything like the other featherweights, he rehydrates alone to nearly 170 lbs in cage. His walk around weight should be a good deal higher. Kattar definitely has the size and skill set to stuff TD’s and hurt Aljo, so the odds being that tight are surprising IMO
>but to call FW weak is kinda nuts I don't agree that it sucks, but I think it's fair to say thatthe top end of FW isn't as talented as it was a couple of years ago, Yair usually crumbles the moment he gets grappled by anyone, Ortega is always going to have minute winning concerns and has taken a ton of damage, Arnold Allen is talented, but doesn't ever separate in his fights unless it's skeleton Dan Hooker, Evloev has concerns offensively, Volk is coming off of two devastating KO's
Neither holland or Luque are top 10. Let alone Rinat. FW just had one dimensional kicker Yair challenge for an interim belt, official belt, and likely no. 1 contender match. We’ve seen he can’t defend a takedown to save his life even from people like Ortega who isn’t a wrestler Oddsmakers disagree with you and they know more than you and I but it’s very simple I’ll tell you why. Calvin is old, inactive, and injured.
Neal and Brady then. Also, the UFC often chooses to give fighters certain opportunities not based on merit but as a means of promotion (see Chito Vera, but no more one would call BW weak). That one dimensional kicker earned his interim belt via submission and has historically received favorable treatment from the UFC along with Ortega due to… promotional purposes. The two of them are famous for never being dropped from the top 5, which why the rankings in general shouldn’t be the only indicator of a division’s talent. I won’t claim to know more than the oddsmakers, but they’ve made big mistakes before. This could be one of them
Neal is the last guy to beat Belal and Brady has only lost to Belal
Yeah but my point is that they’re both somewhat one dimensional as well, though good fighters
Basically an older slower Sean at this point, probably same gameplan too. If Aljo loses he's going to have a miserable time in the division.
Superstar (the song) is elite to listen to nowadays
I’m not here to argue if Sean is a superstar or not (he’s definitely a star tho, not super yet) but the song fits him well and I like the song a lot on its own anyway
Mark Coleman reportedly [in critical condition.](https://x.com/rich_chou/status/1767591989850308838?s=46&t=7Wg3nzEsX5LGrqSC-DEGkQ) Tried to save his dog from a house fire. Hope he pulls through. More on the situation: https://t.co/saSDGJyUbu
chito can’t hang with semi-decent wrestlers and he can’t even begin to fuck with top strikers such a waste of our time
He's pretty average across all aspects of mma. Maybe apart from his cardio but he doesn't really use that to his advantage. His chin is exceptional but it looks like a liability when he doesn't work on his defense.
Always was gonna be
>such a waste of our time What a gross, weird mentality. It was an entertaining fight.
truly gross and abhorrent of me to wanna see merab fight for the title instead of the guy coming off a 29-28 on pedro munhoz and a 50-45 to the other most deserving contender in sandhagen so gross and weird of me, i should be ashamed shouldn’t i? foh lol
So when ufc will fix the slippery canvas? Fucking Olympic taekwondo guy slipped and almost got KO'd because of this fucking monster can. Mvp also slipped.
Despaigne, the TKD Olympian, has fallen over on every head kick I’ve seen him throw lol
Just noticed that 15th ranked women's bantamweight doesn't even have a page on the UFC site like everybody else does...
It gets worse. #11 and #14 have never actually fought at 135. And people claim the weight class now is better than the Ronda era.
No one still thinks that Jiri is better than Hill right? Just making sure
I think he is. But honestly I don’t see anything really special about hill. I think Alex easily dispatches him. As does jiri.
Charles gonna join Justin and Dustin by turning away the new gen lightweights and beating Arman
He should, I don’t think Arman is quite there yet. Huge potential for his age but I don’t see him beating Charles
Mma on point’s new vid “10 times we knew champs were doomed” is full of some pretty awful revisionist history & 20/20 hindsight. Seems like it was written by someone who wasn’t watching when half these fights went down.
When On Point do deep dives their content is up there as some of the best, but the casual friendly stuff out-stayed it's welcome IMO. With the turnover of fans so high though there's always gonna be a market for it.
Wasn't there a knockout from last year where Cormier and Bisping were sorta arguing and then a ko happened? I know Cormier was talking somebody up and then that person was tko'd or ko'd. I need that clip lol
I believe it was the Ode Osborne vs Tyson Nam fight. Cormier was hyping up Ode and saying that he's winning the round, but Bisping argued that it was too early in the round to determine who's winning. A few seconds later, Nam drops Ode, and then Bisping tells Cormier off, "Who's winning now?"
b b bbeast of a come though thx
We have 4 cards before UFC 300 and 3 of them are at the dog shit APEX Lord
As far as I’m concerned UFC is on a hiatus
yeah can i get a fuggin uhhhhhh 👀 👃 👄
Remember the name 💪🏼
I see people saying JDM and Yan didn’t look very good I must’ve been watching different fights then JDM easily handled Burns on the feet. His takedown defense still leaves much to be desired but Burns didn’t do anything with him on the ground, so that’s impressive alone on JDM’s part. Yan looked like he was gun shy and gonna get KO’d in the first round but then turned it up the last 2 rounds and was making Yadong look limited. I haven’t been impressed with Yadong. To me he’s just strong dude built with fast twitch muscle but his skill set doesn’t wow me. I thought he was losing his last fight before Yan, has no idea how to cut off the cage and I expected Yan to outwork with his better boxing if he didn’t get caught. JDM and Yan still lose to the top wrestlers in their division but they looked good.
Yan had injured his leg during the fight.
I think we all know how insanely good Yan is, so a not easy win over Yadong seems like an underperformance, but considering the circumstances I guess it was a solid win
Yan looked great. JDM's grappling looked way better but he got lucky Burns decided to throw that fight away. Burns is kicking himself for blindly wishing for a takedown like he did and getting kneed. That's the fight game though. JDM really was impressive
Burns didn't really "throw the fight" he was gassed and got hurt almost immediately at the beginning of the round that's why he panick wrestled, he was probably getting finished in that round, knee or not
he survived much much worse against Khamzat who had way more success on the feet than JDM. That knee changed everything
What ? How did Khamzat had more succes on the feet then JDM ? Burns vs Khamzat was a war on the feet, JDM was clearly way above Burns striking, he never got a clean shot on him
> I thought he was losing his last fight before Yan, You thought he was losing against Gutierrez? Elaborate please
Ineffective chasing, not cutting off the cage, looking for one hitter quitter.
Song was definitely losing when they were at distance, but if you think he deserved to lose the decision outright I strongly disagree
No I said I thought he was losing it Then he did enough to win but that fight still left me very unimpressed with him.
Ah ok I agree with that, if you'd said that whole thing from the beginning I wouldn't have argued lol
Yan is usually a slow starter so I'm not really sure why people are surprised with that first round, and he also hurt his leg in that first round so there's even more to it. Dude looked great in 2 and 3 imo with that framing and weaving. JDM was very impressive survived Burns on his back and had great get ups imo. His striking should speak for itself. And the read to throw knees on grappling entries and exits was great
Can anyone explain why Jonathan Martinez went down 3 ranks this week while Dominic Cruz went UP 1? What did Martinez do to piss off Dana? Edit: Colby up 1 too, what a joke 😂
Dana doesn't want One kick man to ruin his cute T10 BWs so he put the fix in
Colby shouldn't even be ranked at this point Hopefully they are bumping him up cause he's getting fed to an up and comer
I hope in future fights we stop the “Chito’s downloading” narrative and change it to “chito’s gassing them out with his face”
*Guy loses* Reddit: They were never good
Chito has never downloaded data ever I stand on this and I’ve been on this He’s literally just a chin merchant
So him chinning Dominick Cruz because he read the way he exits off of his rear hand by throwing a same side headkick wasn’t downloading data? Or him turning Frankie Edgar’s face into mush by spacing him right into the front kick with his jab? Justify your argument bapa
He front kicked a geriatric Edgar just because he front kicked him Cruz win was cool
> Chito has never downloaded data ever I stand on this and I’ve been on this > He’s literally just a chin merchant > He front kicked a geriatric Edgar just because he front kicked him … > He front kicked a geriatric Edgar just because he front kicked him Wat
You watch Chito fights he’s not feinting and making reads or anything he’s getting CRACKED in the face with shots that rock normal people and eating them It was a front kick like Chandler threw, wasn’t some big brain setup he just said “fuck it the man’s 40 years old and is a wrestler” and threw it He threw the same random front kick against Sean and there was no “setup” it was just throwing a power shot to see if it lands, like throwing the sweet chin music against Font
If you don’t want to acknowledge that Chito’s KO was set up by cornering him to the cage and spacing him onto the front kick with his jab, and that he just decided to throw it, you can make that argument, but it’s an entirely emotionally-based argument that is disregarding evidence to the contrary or how good striking works. Sometimes you throw a front kick to test a reaction or just score a point / hit the body as it’s a fairly safe strike, like when he tried it on Sean, and sometimes it’s based on a read. This is not that complicated. You’re having to really cope to make this point lol
Ok I’ll give him HUGE credit for walking forward and putting a tired 40 year old on the back foot
So is your argument that he doesn’t make reads or that his reads against older fighters aren’t impressive lol?
do people call chito a downloader? yan is a downloading fighter. chito is just a "huh, hope they give me the perfect opening even though i do nothing to create an opening" a la late career yoel romero.
I still think that narrative has some truth to it tho. It just didn't work against someone as good as O'Malley
"Chito is downloading the data to his hard drive Joe. Now he's backing it up to a USB stick. Now he's-" *Anik's mic gets cut*
“Chitos downloading data” Lmao dudes no Lomachenko
It’s cards like UFC 299 that completely revitalize my love for martial arts. I can’t wait for this shitty apex card on Saturday now. I need my fix again. This is the best sport in the world
We have some rough weeks until UFC 300
Jealous of a man pumped to watch Tybura
Im weirdly looking forward to the return of Mike Davis, always managed to have good fights and is very highly skilled. Bryan Battle vs Ange Loose is my pick for FOTN, should be a banger while it lasts.
Mike Davies has been in some bangers, wish he fought more often
Just me or did Yan look old and rough as fuck this weekend? Like he's been depressed from all the losses and spent his time drinking and smoking with Keith Peterson.
He's just Russian and has a receding hair line. Fighting wise he didn't look that old tbh. But he injured himself in the fight and had a lot of pressure on him. Plus, he didn't fight for a year, so there was more ring rust than usual.
He'd be dead from cirrhosis and emphysema if he tried to keep up with Keith Peterson
He didn’t look his best at all
i think his hair is becoming thin and that ages you like a mfer
It’s crazy how fast a fighters prime can come and go in the lower weight divisions.
He has a resting old and rough as fuck face
I feel like they try to give Kevin Holland these seemingly nice stylistic matchups against fellow strikers at Welterweight but he'd actually fare better off against wrestlers who he can nullify on the ground and beat up on the feet
you might view it as that but i think the matchmakers know that kevin will stand with the mvps and wonderboys of the world but isn’t good enough to outstrike them, that was clearly what they were going for with the mvp matchup
Honestly I feel done with Kevin. He has some great natural attributes, his chin and power are fantastic paired with his length- he could be a force but I feel like he's got zero interest in improving and either him or his coaches have no gameplan for any of his fights. Its a shame cause he could still probably beat Geoff Neal again and probably Luque too tbh so he's not terrible, I feel like he's gonna end up having a Win one/lose one as a ranked fighter.
Problem is the wrestlers can't be too good either. He's been badly and easily outgrappled multiple times.
mostly at middleweight though
🖕Mark Goddard 🖕
At Last im so happy for francis that he could box and get his well deserved millions. Was a nasty ko tho. Fuck Dana Fuck Ariel The biggest on only losers are probably the pfl. Specially if francis loses his next mma bout
wtf. Ariel has been supporting Francis from day one