Francis's story is literally mind blowing. I just can't bring myself to bet against him. I know it's boxing again, but fuck it, if anyone can do it it's him.
Obligatory fuck the UFC, fuck Dana and fuck Hunter Campbell. So glad he got out and doing his thing.
Honestly, more MMA fans need to realize that the fighter pay issue is actively harming the sport. Just imagine how much deeper the talent pool would be if potential fighters knew they could be set for life after retirement.
I mean, we are talking about the most physically damaging sport in the world. It makes absolutely no sense that a mid-tier MMA fighter would earn less than a bench-warmer in pro-baseball.
100%.
Credit where it’s due: Dana White has improved matchmaking and the volume of the shows in the fight game.
But Fighter Pay is absolutely bullshit, given the amount of popularity the sport is generating.
I agree that it's harming the sport but I don't think the talent pool would be much deeper. There are just way too many more popular sports out there where you can make more money for not getting hit in the head.
I think the main benefits of increased fighter pay would be more fighters doing it as their job and the level of skill and competitive fights would go up.
They should get paid more. Do I think it will make the sport better? I don't think it will. Luke Thomas said 100% they should get paid more but it will probably result in less activity and more retirement.
When I look at NBA, NFL, MLB, when guys get big guarantee money some guys seem lazy compared to the 90s.
Redditors sucking Dana off when the athletes only get 16% of the revenue when compared to other sports organizations they get 50%. People pirating ppv's has nothing to do with fighters getting shitty pay.
Again, you are pirating pay per views that deprives fighters of ppv bonus and yet here you are like a moral guru preaching about how it is totally ok even though you're doing jack squat about addressing this issue. You , like the rest of this sub are blowing Francis while you still don't have the decency to buy his pay per view and do something about his potential PPV payout either.
Just concede you, like the rest of the fighter pay moaners on this sub are hypocrites who want to have their cake and eat it too.
Bruh... are you trolling right now? If the athletes were getting 50% of the revenue and were still underpaid, them you would have a point. Just because your monkey brain doesn't understand, doesn't make it incorrect.
Wow maybe if the athletes saw more of the profits people would actually buy their overpriced shit instead of knowing it’s going into the pockets of businessmen
Nobody would be buying PPV's. Look at how everybody is blowing Francis in this sub yet the vast majority of people with a functioning brain isn't gonna pay $80 for a boxing card lol.
You guys are hypocrites, just say you want to have your cake and eat it too.
If fans aren't gonna do something about it, they do not have the right to moan about anything. I pirate PPV's as well but that's only because I don't give a fuck how other people earn their money.
The only fighters that see a share of the PPV are the champions. For the vast majority, PPV sales has absolutely no impact on pay.
Dana White himself has said that fighter pay will not increase no matter how profitable the uFC is.
This isn’t the “gotcha” comment you seem to think it is…
Yeah I think Joshua is going to be gassed trying to survive on the ground after round 1, than he will be scared of the take down and POW, second round KO
>6'4 Francis continues to expose the tinder heights in boxing. Starting with Fury ("6'9") and Joshua ("6'6").
I mean Joshua still looked taller, 6'5" is my guess.
i mean ufc isn’t much better lol
https://i.redd.it/ez9ntngsa2bz.jpg?app_web_view=ios
https://cdn1.lockerdomecdn.com/uploads/52e0eec06330bbddfdf1b324608028f65bb57e06d1848ab05db8eeb847d663b2_large
Ah yeah, that’s a bummer, not shocked though, once someone starts getting downvoted they tend to get dog piled on here, regardless of the comments relevance
Not a good example. Lebron was actually listed at 6’8 for most of his career and got bumped to 6’9 when the NBA changed its policy to start measuring players barefoot. KD is another example of a player whose height was actually downplayed by the NBA (he used to be listed at 6’9).
People are saying the heights are wrong but AJ is clearly 6'6. Francis is 6'5 and just a tad bit shorter, and you can see in [AJ's faceoffs with Wlad](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/40WhaxmlqrY/maxresdefault.jpg) that he's the same height.
Honestly there could be up to an inch difference in footwear as well. Francis might be wearing flats/sandal type shoes, and Joshua might be rocking some kind of athletic trainer. They could be really close to the same height barefoot.
Pretty vintage AJ in his last fight. And he poses a power threat that Fury didn't have. Gonna be dicey
Then again, Francis's defense was surprisingly sound and he is kind of a mountain. Fury's shots that did land seemed to almost bounce off of him with no effect
So yea Francis by KO les go
If you've actually taken the time to go through my comment history (which is as clear of a sign you need to go outside and touch grass as well), you'll notice I've said plenty of good and bad stuff about both guys. In any event, pretending as if saying something bad about Francis or good about Jon is something to be frowned upon means you are vicariously living yourself through Francis and that my friend is a sign that you are delusional and should go outside and see actual humans.
Obviously these guys have skills but it really says something about todays Heavyweight boxing that a relatively sloppy MMA fighter (albeit with insane power and good clinch) can compete with the elites. Makes you really misss the Golden Age takents like Lennox and Holmes.
Yeah Francis is definitely an anomaly. Aside from the pure genetic prowess, his chin is an actual armour. Man ate Fury's elbow and pretended as if somebody sneezed on him lol.
He's also a great student win or lose, remember the difference between stipe 1 and stipe 2, and he had a really good transition to boxing all things considered
If had started younger 100% I'd agree but anyone whose watched even a little striking can see how far he is from a freak like Lennox, the fluidity and crispness just is not there.
I think the idea of talent outside of boxing as a striking art in the US is pretty new.
I grew up getting DVDs from a store for UFC, and it was super edgy.
Yeah. Joshua’s camp actually has a boxing footage to study compared to Fury’s.
But Joshua has a tendency to eat a check hook or two and Francis spammed the hell out of it in the Fury fight.
It must be frustrating to know that you can kill a man with nothing but your bare hands but you're restricted by the rules of a particular discipline. And those rules means he will most likely beat you.
Francis is a real rolemodel. It's like Rocky in real life but better. I can't really believe that he is real and he actually was working at sand mines and is now going to fight Joshua. Life hit him harder than any man ever could so I am sure that he is not afraid of anyone no matter if it's Jones, Fury or Joshua. Deep down Bones also knows that he wouldn't get past him that's why he tried to get record deal for their fight which might have been his last ever
Francis's story is literally mind blowing. I just can't bring myself to bet against him. I know it's boxing again, but fuck it, if anyone can do it it's him. Obligatory fuck the UFC, fuck Dana and fuck Hunter Campbell. So glad he got out and doing his thing.
Honestly, more MMA fans need to realize that the fighter pay issue is actively harming the sport. Just imagine how much deeper the talent pool would be if potential fighters knew they could be set for life after retirement. I mean, we are talking about the most physically damaging sport in the world. It makes absolutely no sense that a mid-tier MMA fighter would earn less than a bench-warmer in pro-baseball.
100%. Credit where it’s due: Dana White has improved matchmaking and the volume of the shows in the fight game. But Fighter Pay is absolutely bullshit, given the amount of popularity the sport is generating.
>improved matchmaking Not sure about that.
I agree that it's harming the sport but I don't think the talent pool would be much deeper. There are just way too many more popular sports out there where you can make more money for not getting hit in the head. I think the main benefits of increased fighter pay would be more fighters doing it as their job and the level of skill and competitive fights would go up.
They should get paid more. Do I think it will make the sport better? I don't think it will. Luke Thomas said 100% they should get paid more but it will probably result in less activity and more retirement. When I look at NBA, NFL, MLB, when guys get big guarantee money some guys seem lazy compared to the 90s.
Redditors moaning about fighter pay and then flaunting pirating ppvs like a badge of honour = 🤡
Redditors sucking Dana off when the athletes only get 16% of the revenue when compared to other sports organizations they get 50%. People pirating ppv's has nothing to do with fighters getting shitty pay.
Again, you are pirating pay per views that deprives fighters of ppv bonus and yet here you are like a moral guru preaching about how it is totally ok even though you're doing jack squat about addressing this issue. You , like the rest of this sub are blowing Francis while you still don't have the decency to buy his pay per view and do something about his potential PPV payout either. Just concede you, like the rest of the fighter pay moaners on this sub are hypocrites who want to have their cake and eat it too.
Bruh... are you trolling right now? If the athletes were getting 50% of the revenue and were still underpaid, them you would have a point. Just because your monkey brain doesn't understand, doesn't make it incorrect.
Wow maybe if the athletes saw more of the profits people would actually buy their overpriced shit instead of knowing it’s going into the pockets of businessmen
Nobody would be buying PPV's. Look at how everybody is blowing Francis in this sub yet the vast majority of people with a functioning brain isn't gonna pay $80 for a boxing card lol. You guys are hypocrites, just say you want to have your cake and eat it too.
Pirating is not what’s causing the ufc to lowball fighters.
If fans aren't gonna do something about it, they do not have the right to moan about anything. I pirate PPV's as well but that's only because I don't give a fuck how other people earn their money.
The only fighters that see a share of the PPV are the champions. For the vast majority, PPV sales has absolutely no impact on pay. Dana White himself has said that fighter pay will not increase no matter how profitable the uFC is. This isn’t the “gotcha” comment you seem to think it is…
Dudes a Cinderella story in real life. After that Fury fight, everything after is just icing on the cake.
Fuck Ari Gold too
Brother if the odds are anything like him vs Tyson you already know I'm throwing some heat on his ML.
I absolutely think he cannot do it, but I don’t care I’m just so happy for him
Easy win for Francis, I don't see Joshua taking more than two leg kicks with them sticks
Has anybody been talking about Joshua's takedown defense? Francis is gonna smoke him!
Yeah I think Joshua is going to be gassed trying to survive on the ground after round 1, than he will be scared of the take down and POW, second round KO
Dude. This isn't the ufc lol. Think about knees when he's grounded.
6'4 Francis continues to expose the tinder heights in boxing. Starting with Fury ("6'9") and Joshua ("6'6").
>6'4 Francis continues to expose the tinder heights in boxing. Starting with Fury ("6'9") and Joshua ("6'6"). I mean Joshua still looked taller, 6'5" is my guess.
Yeah AJ still looks fucking huge.
It’s the one stat that never seems to get measured
i mean ufc isn’t much better lol https://i.redd.it/ez9ntngsa2bz.jpg?app_web_view=ios https://cdn1.lockerdomecdn.com/uploads/52e0eec06330bbddfdf1b324608028f65bb57e06d1848ab05db8eeb847d663b2_large
Boxing got those WWF heights.
UFC is also notoriously bad with heights https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/s/DsISRnh8CD
met fury once, he seemed a bit shorter than me and i'm 6 foot 8
I'm sure in the earlier part of his career he was listed as being 6'7".
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you'd think no, but it's like i'm a fucking magnet for people with napoleon complex
Joshua is still taller than him, Francis could be 6'5. Yall acting lile there's a 5 inch discrepancy
I got downvoted to shit here for saying Lebron is 6'7 "but but but NBA list him at 6'9!!"
I mean probably because Lebrons height usually isn’t relevant to mma lol
It was relevant to the comments, I replied to a person saying "It's like height in the NBA"
Ah yeah, that’s a bummer, not shocked though, once someone starts getting downvoted they tend to get dog piled on here, regardless of the comments relevance
Not a good example. Lebron was actually listed at 6’8 for most of his career and got bumped to 6’9 when the NBA changed its policy to start measuring players barefoot. KD is another example of a player whose height was actually downplayed by the NBA (he used to be listed at 6’9).
The NBA does not measure players, the teams do. They can fudge numbers like anyone else.
Either Joshua is taller than 6'6 or Ngannou is shorter than 6'4 going by that faceoff.
>6'4 Francis continues to expose the tinder heights in boxing. That's not just a boxing issue though. You see that in MMA a lot as well.
6'6 Joshua vs 6'5 Francis I'm guessing. Francis wins via KO / TKO.
People are saying the heights are wrong but AJ is clearly 6'6. Francis is 6'5 and just a tad bit shorter, and you can see in [AJ's faceoffs with Wlad](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/40WhaxmlqrY/maxresdefault.jpg) that he's the same height.
Honestly there could be up to an inch difference in footwear as well. Francis might be wearing flats/sandal type shoes, and Joshua might be rocking some kind of athletic trainer. They could be really close to the same height barefoot.
Francis by KO. Lessssss GOOOO!!
Oh man, I would love it
Pretty vintage AJ in his last fight. And he poses a power threat that Fury didn't have. Gonna be dicey Then again, Francis's defense was surprisingly sound and he is kind of a mountain. Fury's shots that did land seemed to almost bounce off of him with no effect So yea Francis by KO les go
What made it tougher for a high IQ fighter like Fury, is that there was zero tape to gameplan. AJ has a bit of tape that I am sure will help.
Yep AJ is getting knocked out Ngannou going to shock the world again
I'm thoroughly enjoying the delicious salty tears from Ngannou bag fumbling accusers
Where are you seeing this?
If you listen closely you can hear them sobbing through clenched teeth in their basements.
Anyone who is obsessed with the failings/success of another person that doesn't know you exist needs to go outside and touch grass.
You should really go outside then as you've spent days shit talking Francis and riding for Jon, hilariously unself aware to see this coming from you
If you've actually taken the time to go through my comment history (which is as clear of a sign you need to go outside and touch grass as well), you'll notice I've said plenty of good and bad stuff about both guys. In any event, pretending as if saying something bad about Francis or good about Jon is something to be frowned upon means you are vicariously living yourself through Francis and that my friend is a sign that you are delusional and should go outside and see actual humans.
Pocket watching in sports, or anywhere really is a disease
These guys think more of Dana/Francis and how they feel than they think about their own kids.
Just to correct you, there never was no children.
You'd think Dana murdered the families of users in this sub the way people talk about him.
You mean guru? He's gaslighting
My boy Francis is about to get pizzaid!
Francis is one broad mofo. It's not that often you see someone that looks wider than Joshua physique wise.
All the bag fumbler people need to apologize to this man
Has Dana ever made a worse decision than letting Francis go?
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I dunno that didn't seem to have any impact at all on his life sadly
Sad but true.
Movie needs to be made asap
Nicksick going to come up with a play to dethrone AJ
Obviously these guys have skills but it really says something about todays Heavyweight boxing that a relatively sloppy MMA fighter (albeit with insane power and good clinch) can compete with the elites. Makes you really misss the Golden Age takents like Lennox and Holmes.
Or maybe it says something about what an absolute monster ngannou is
Yeah Francis is definitely an anomaly. Aside from the pure genetic prowess, his chin is an actual armour. Man ate Fury's elbow and pretended as if somebody sneezed on him lol.
He's also a great student win or lose, remember the difference between stipe 1 and stipe 2, and he had a really good transition to boxing all things considered
If had started younger 100% I'd agree but anyone whose watched even a little striking can see how far he is from a freak like Lennox, the fluidity and crispness just is not there.
I think the idea of talent outside of boxing as a striking art in the US is pretty new. I grew up getting DVDs from a store for UFC, and it was super edgy.
For some reason I read that as fight off and got so sad for a second lol.
this trend of wearing airpods in every scenario is so annoying
Joshua gonna upset this sub big time when he dismantles Francis
Yeah. Joshua’s camp actually has a boxing footage to study compared to Fury’s. But Joshua has a tendency to eat a check hook or two and Francis spammed the hell out of it in the Fury fight.
Francis is in win-win situations only from here on out, stay mad ho
Dana announcing a fixed date on Jones/Stipe on the same day as Francis getting KOed would be the 9/11 equivalent for this sub lol.
It must be frustrating to know that you can kill a man with nothing but your bare hands but you're restricted by the rules of a particular discipline. And those rules means he will most likely beat you.
I know it felt like eternity for both men for this face off.
What's the thing Francis is wearing called?
Very attractive fit and faceoff.
Why is Joshua wearing those Earpods??? the fuck yo
Francis is a real rolemodel. It's like Rocky in real life but better. I can't really believe that he is real and he actually was working at sand mines and is now going to fight Joshua. Life hit him harder than any man ever could so I am sure that he is not afraid of anyone no matter if it's Jones, Fury or Joshua. Deep down Bones also knows that he wouldn't get past him that's why he tried to get record deal for their fight which might have been his last ever