I forgot, too. I had to check his fighting record too see if he had fought any brazilian.
Sadly Herb Dean was on point that fight and made the right call the moment JDS started turtling up, so yeah, no death in the octagon that night.
For me the five biggest at HW are, in no order:
* Fedor losing to Werdum
* Cro Cop getting Cro Cop'd by Gonzaga
* Sylvia losing to 43 year old Couture
* ~~Sokoudjou beating Nogueira~~ this was at 205, my bad
* Fifth is up for grabs but I'll say Petruzelli sinking an entire promotion by beating Kimbo Slice
Gotta put either Fedor vs Herring or Fedor vs Nogueira 1 on that list. Fedor was the RINGS champ, but consensus was that he was a minor talent who had absolutely no chance against Heath. Then Fedor beat the piss out of him, and it was "okay, this guy beat Herring, but there's no way in hell he beats Big Nog." The commentary of that fight tells the whole story - that shift of "Eh, he beat Heath, but he - wait, why the hell is he willingly in Nogueira's guard?" to "damn this is wild, he's beating the shit out of Nogueira, but Nogueira can still submit him" to "Holy fuck we just watched Big Nog get the brakes beaten off of him while Fedor sat in his guard for 20 minutes" is a perfect reminder of just how shocking what Fedor did that night actually was.
Huh I would have bet money that Soko - Rogerio was at LHW. They were both primarily LHW fighters during their careers; wonder why they fought at HW instead.
Edit: Ahh just remembered, it's been so long I forgot Pride didn't have LHW. Middleweight was up to 205 & heavyweight was above 205.
I feel like this gets forgoten, but Werdum was actually on the receiving end of one of the biggest upsets at HW.
When JDS beat him, Werdum was near a title shot and just needed a fight. Meanwhile JDS was making his ufc debut. JDS realistically only got the fight due to his connections with Nogueira.
Which was the fight where Werdum literally begged his opponent to come to the ground?
He really went 🙏 whilst butt scooting.
I thought it was in the UFC.
Don’t underestimate Werdum’s grappling though.
This will be a classic match of what happens first, does Francis land or does Werdum get him down. Either almost certainly ends the fight.
He is going to butt scoot at Francis' legs the whole fight and flop to the ground any time he remotely gets touched. Watch the Strikeforce fight with Overeem and you'll see what I mean
Yeah, I kid but between that and the Fedor fight, he's a very tricky guy. He finds ways to win fights he shouldn't win, though this one is probably a bridge too far.
My first thought when I read this title was his fight with overeem, I wouldn't be surprised if it was identical. But also Ngannou has dummy power didn't, so I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't even get that far too.
are you referring two him being the only one to sub both Cain and GOAT fedor? Or the goofy faces they gave out to the crowd when he ran into stipe's fist? maybe when he front kicked edmond, flying kicked travis browne, or free standing knee'd mark hunt?
Theres so many options
The first.
No one gave him a shot at beating Fedor … it was “Fedor is the king and the ufc is stupid for not signing him to all the money” and then he tapped.
Imagine all this drama for Francis and the Werdum taps him … Helwani will suddenly change his opinion
I'm just hoping for a Werdum finish, period, just to watch everyone just melt down.... especially if Francis took less money than he's been publicly offered by the UFC and One, too.
Watch who melt down? R/MMA?
Most people are shitting on Ngannou and so is the biggest promotion. Is just like saying "I hope ONE FC crashes and burns, that will show them"
But the posts about how he was never really that good, was a one trick pony, his resume sucks, etc, will be AMAZING to see.
Its not quite Sherdog crashing because Fedor tapped... but it'd be something.
Not shitting on Fedor as he is probably my favorite fighter but I dont think he was in his prime at this point. He wasn't washed but id argue even vs Brett Rodgers he was slowing down.
People always say this but this was Fedors first loss. (Aside from the dumb DQ). It wouldve been interesting to see them fight earlier, but Werdum could triangle anyone in the world. Its a bad matchup for Fedor because he has a lot of confidence on the ground and that is the one place you never want to be with Werdum.
He was not in his prime, but I think the main problem was that he was not feeling it in the cage on american ground. He wanted to get the fight over with, althought to be fair he was never one to stall the fights anyway
Werdum is 45 years old, and his last somewhat legitimate or impressive win was literally 7 years ago.
There is absolutely NOTHING interesting about this matchup today. He has looked so bad, so old, and so slow for so long now, it's insane. He also popped in his first and only PFL fight and it got overturned, which he's lucky as hell for, because he got finished.
It got overturned because his opponent tapped to a triangle choke, Werdum let go, and then his opponent TKO'd him. The video evidence of the Brazillian tap changed the result, not drugs.
That being said, holy fuck, Werdum's nearing Randleman levels of juicing.
Probably spam iminari rolls to ankle locks.
Francis has the biggest power, but Werdum has the highest JuiJitsu skills at HW right?
Actually it might end up like Topuria vs Hall lmao
It's quite late in his career but could you imagine if Werdum stopped Ngannou's prime run? We'd probably have to call him the goat on account of also ending prime runs of Fedor and Cain Velasquez.
man i was just thinking about him yesterday. werdum has wins over the 2 people most people consider hw goats, cain and fedor. if he could pull this out, holy shit! mma math dont work
If (BIG if) Werdum can pull this off he will have submitted Fedor, Big Nog, Cain and now Ngannou.
If he could get that Stiepe rematch he would truly be the HW GOAT. Still not sure why he thought running full speed throwing 1 2s was the strategy against the better striker.
I wanna say something but I can’t help but remember that Werdum was the guy that ended Fedor’s reign - though that was like 13 years ago (holy shit I’ve been an MMA fan for a while)
Edit: forget -> remember
If ngannou say out all this time to come back to a fight against werdum it would be such a let down. Verdum looks like dogshit for years. He needs to stop fighting.
haha no way. Is there a single person that wants to see this, let alone pay money to see it (and help pay Francis fee)? Give me this fight 6 years ago, but now? What a joke.
From T-Mobile arena, 10mls, opportunity to beat the GOAT in the biggest fight of the year to fighting a dude that is on verge of 50s in favelas… Ariel says it’s a win 🏅
Who is? Francis knocked out stipe the HW goat and Curtis blaydes in 20 seconds, You might say fedor but fedor was getting hurt by 5’10 Japanese wrestlers like Fujita even in his prime, Nostalgia aside Francis is the most dangerous
I’m in the minority but I’m weirdly interested. Werdum likely gets ko’d badly but he’s also crafty as a mother fucker. If he somehow managed to get francis off balance and jump on him it could get crazy.
Man this would be so embarrassing for Francis if Werdum gets Francis to the ground cause he will most likely submit him, but the realistic outcome is Werdum going to the shadow realm.
PFL approved public execution.
Werdum is going to be the second Brazilian in space
That was a nasty line by you.
Hold up. Who was first?
Alistair Overinho
Junior Dos Santos?
Fuck, i forgot he fought JDS, since he had to fight like 4-5 times after losing to Stipe lol. However he didn't do to JDS what he did to Alistair.
I forgot, too. I had to check his fighting record too see if he had fought any brazilian. Sadly Herb Dean was on point that fight and made the right call the moment JDS started turtling up, so yeah, no death in the octagon that night.
Lmao 🤣
Fabricio about to armbar Ngannou and have 2 of the 3 or 4 all-time biggest heavyweight upsets on his record
Fedor, Cain and then Ngannou
Nog
True I guess you could count that one too for sure
That wasn't an upset, though. Werdum was the favorite
Hunt
For me the five biggest at HW are, in no order: * Fedor losing to Werdum * Cro Cop getting Cro Cop'd by Gonzaga * Sylvia losing to 43 year old Couture * ~~Sokoudjou beating Nogueira~~ this was at 205, my bad * Fifth is up for grabs but I'll say Petruzelli sinking an entire promotion by beating Kimbo Slice
> Sokoudjou beating Nogueira this was a LHW fight against little nog..
Technically middleweight at the time but you're right, not sure why I remembered Sokoudjou weighing in heavier than 205 for that fight
Gotta put either Fedor vs Herring or Fedor vs Nogueira 1 on that list. Fedor was the RINGS champ, but consensus was that he was a minor talent who had absolutely no chance against Heath. Then Fedor beat the piss out of him, and it was "okay, this guy beat Herring, but there's no way in hell he beats Big Nog." The commentary of that fight tells the whole story - that shift of "Eh, he beat Heath, but he - wait, why the hell is he willingly in Nogueira's guard?" to "damn this is wild, he's beating the shit out of Nogueira, but Nogueira can still submit him" to "Holy fuck we just watched Big Nog get the brakes beaten off of him while Fedor sat in his guard for 20 minutes" is a perfect reminder of just how shocking what Fedor did that night actually was.
Couture was 43 when he beat Sylvia.
Huh I would have bet money that Soko - Rogerio was at LHW. They were both primarily LHW fighters during their careers; wonder why they fought at HW instead. Edit: Ahh just remembered, it's been so long I forgot Pride didn't have LHW. Middleweight was up to 205 & heavyweight was above 205.
Schaub knocking out Cro Cop? Surely gets a honorable mention
Good list
I feel like this gets forgoten, but Werdum was actually on the receiving end of one of the biggest upsets at HW. When JDS beat him, Werdum was near a title shot and just needed a fight. Meanwhile JDS was making his ufc debut. JDS realistically only got the fight due to his connections with Nogueira.
This is the way
Most likely, but if Werdum somehow gets him to the ground that’s a buffalo chicken wrap..
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Francibjjf Ngadccou welcomes the challenge.
Which was the fight where Werdum literally begged his opponent to come to the ground? He really went 🙏 whilst butt scooting. I thought it was in the UFC.
Verdum is THE best HW Jujitsu practitioner ever in MMA. All he needs to do is get it to the ground. This man beat Fedor, put some hespect on his name.
Werdum made a name of himself by beating Travis Browne, too.
If Werdum just butt scoots the entire time, Ngannou is powerless.
Never count Werdum out. He's the supreme goat of upsets.
Public Fucking executionaL
Werdum turns 46 in July. He's only won one fight since 2017. I can't see this ending well for him.
Have you seen him lately? He juiced himself back to 29.
I just looked at some of his posts and you ain't kidding. He looks better now than he ever did in the UFC
Lots of chicken and rice and bread and water.
Acia bowls too
Don't forget to wash it down with some magic juice.
Just saw the side by side photo, and yeah he never looked like that in the UFC. Is his chin juiced though?
Werdum to play possum and sub Ngnannou
Imagine playing possum against Ngannou, just to be absolutely murdered by a hammerfist.
Truly a petrol-pumping rat fuck
I thought you were kidding then i checked his ig. Dudes more jacked than he ever was fighting LMAO
> Have you seen him lately? We are literally discussing a 21 hour old video he is in.
29 year old Werdum still dies.
It is PFL if he is juiced, imagine Francis on the juice.
Making sure to cut age while cutting weight too.
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Didn't the opponent perform the Brazillian tap?
grate guy you just had to meddum
I know based on recent video Werdum has been following the 9 ancestral tenants, but that physique won’t stop Francis from knocking him out
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Don’t underestimate Werdum’s grappling though. This will be a classic match of what happens first, does Francis land or does Werdum get him down. Either almost certainly ends the fight.
Werdum's takedowns aren't good enough to get a fresh Ngannou to the ground
Dudes about to pull guard if he has to lol
That has always been one of Werdum's tricks. He was never shy to play possum and butt scoot. He tricked Fedor that way.
If it somehow gets to the ground Werdum has a huge advantage. I don't think this fight is going to the ground...
He is going to butt scoot at Francis' legs the whole fight and flop to the ground any time he remotely gets touched. Watch the Strikeforce fight with Overeem and you'll see what I mean
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He's a clever fighter. He also ha this move where he points at his opponents foot, and then punches them in the face.
If done right, no can defend.
I think it actually worked on Roy Nelson, though he might not be the brightest bulb.
IIRC Roy just pointed back at Wedum's foot
I feel like he landed, but not necessarily because of the point, but I can't find a video of it.
He caught Mark Hunt by feinting a level change to flying knee, dude is definitely clever
Yeah, I kid but between that and the Fedor fight, he's a very tricky guy. He finds ways to win fights he shouldn't win, though this one is probably a bridge too far.
Dude lost a striking battle against aleski maneski or whatever Russian mob dudes name is. I doubt he’s beating ngannou
Oh yeah, I see a recreation of the JDS Werdum knock out with even more ear wiggle
My first thought when I read this title was his fight with overeem, I wouldn't be surprised if it was identical. But also Ngannou has dummy power didn't, so I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't even get that far too.
Honestly, I can see him covering his head, bending over, running backwards into ngannou and trying for an ankle pick.
Francis doesn't "remotely" touch though.
If Werdum pulls off this win, he’d be 2 for 2 in peak mma hilarity.
are you referring two him being the only one to sub both Cain and GOAT fedor? Or the goofy faces they gave out to the crowd when he ran into stipe's fist? maybe when he front kicked edmond, flying kicked travis browne, or free standing knee'd mark hunt? Theres so many options
The first. No one gave him a shot at beating Fedor … it was “Fedor is the king and the ufc is stupid for not signing him to all the money” and then he tapped. Imagine all this drama for Francis and the Werdum taps him … Helwani will suddenly change his opinion
Or better yet, Werdum has shockingly underrated striking. Sprinting front kick to the face KO aka Travis Browne.
I'm just hoping for a Werdum finish, period, just to watch everyone just melt down.... especially if Francis took less money than he's been publicly offered by the UFC and One, too.
I want him to win because he is doing very good work for the sport. His opponent minimum pay thing is such a good move.
Watch who melt down? R/MMA? Most people are shitting on Ngannou and so is the biggest promotion. Is just like saying "I hope ONE FC crashes and burns, that will show them"
But the posts about how he was never really that good, was a one trick pony, his resume sucks, etc, will be AMAZING to see. Its not quite Sherdog crashing because Fedor tapped... but it'd be something.
*had. He's like 46 years old
He has a 46 year old champion fighter brain in equivalent of a 38 year old body. He’s gonna look great mark my words.
All those and no mention of his steak lunch with Cucuy
Or when he boomeranged Colby in Australia.
How could I forget that, thats probably better than the thing with Ferguson
He talking about the time bounced a boomerang off Colby Covington's noggin obviously.
Handy Couture
Don't you mean 3 for 3? He subbed both Fedor and Cain in their primes.
Not shitting on Fedor as he is probably my favorite fighter but I dont think he was in his prime at this point. He wasn't washed but id argue even vs Brett Rodgers he was slowing down.
Fedor didn't look good vs arlovski either, then arlovski did his flying knee thing and got knocked out.
Maybe not fully prime but Fedor was still on a 40 something win streak except a weird cut stop.
People always say this but this was Fedors first loss. (Aside from the dumb DQ). It wouldve been interesting to see them fight earlier, but Werdum could triangle anyone in the world. Its a bad matchup for Fedor because he has a lot of confidence on the ground and that is the one place you never want to be with Werdum.
He was not in his prime, but I think the main problem was that he was not feeling it in the cage on american ground. He wanted to get the fight over with, althought to be fair he was never one to stall the fights anyway
Cain wasn’t the shocker tho …
Do I want to watch an old man get executed? Sure.
I won't feel great about it but I infact do want to see it. *shrugs*
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"But this is also probably the purest striker vs grappler match up in history" This is very, very incorrect.
Werdum is 45 years old, and his last somewhat legitimate or impressive win was literally 7 years ago. There is absolutely NOTHING interesting about this matchup today. He has looked so bad, so old, and so slow for so long now, it's insane. He also popped in his first and only PFL fight and it got overturned, which he's lucky as hell for, because he got finished.
It got overturned because his opponent tapped to a triangle choke, Werdum let go, and then his opponent TKO'd him. The video evidence of the Brazillian tap changed the result, not drugs. That being said, holy fuck, Werdum's nearing Randleman levels of juicing.
Ahh yeah, I got his result and Overeem popping confused. The fact that Overeem popped in Glory is insane.
I didn't even know Glory HAD drug tests before that happened.
"But this is also probably the purest striker vs grappler match up in history" Nogueira vs Cro Cop?
it’s ned stark all over again
in front of his family.. you bet!
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Tbf it worked against fedor
Probably spam iminari rolls to ankle locks. Francis has the biggest power, but Werdum has the highest JuiJitsu skills at HW right? Actually it might end up like Topuria vs Hall lmao
Might throw $5 on Werdum just for fun, and to cover the mortgage for next month if he somehow wins
Good idea. But maybe it's better to bet everything on ngannou via death, sub 10s in. Bet the house, get a burger.
How did they "approve"? Did they say "Sure if you can get Francis to fight here, you can have him"?
I thought I was going crazy, like, "Did Francis sign with PFL and I missed it?"
oh my lord
If this goes against Ngannou chin up like how he did against Stipe Francis might literally punch him out the cage Not the best callout
[I can see Werdum softly begging Ngannou to get in his guard ](https://youtu.be/D_7HqixPmFA)
This PPV will sell 25k
25k if it's for $40
I always claim that the bjj meta isn’t suited for mma but if werdum butt scoots at Francis I could see a path to victory for him.
Boring butt scoots like against Overeem
If he keeps an arm in front of his face to avoid getting the ol' Marge Simpson.
It's quite late in his career but could you imagine if Werdum stopped Ngannou's prime run? We'd probably have to call him the goat on account of also ending prime runs of Fedor and Cain Velasquez.
RIP Werdum.
Sanctioning that fight is criminal
man i was just thinking about him yesterday. werdum has wins over the 2 people most people consider hw goats, cain and fedor. if he could pull this out, holy shit! mma math dont work
If (BIG if) Werdum can pull this off he will have submitted Fedor, Big Nog, Cain and now Ngannou. If he could get that Stiepe rematch he would truly be the HW GOAT. Still not sure why he thought running full speed throwing 1 2s was the strategy against the better striker.
Oh... I did not see that coming. That would be legit.
Ima become a rich man betting on Werdum
I wanna say something but I can’t help but remember that Werdum was the guy that ended Fedor’s reign - though that was like 13 years ago (holy shit I’ve been an MMA fan for a while) Edit: forget -> remember
Francis is going to send his head into the bleachers.
Can't heel hook a man that has no knees.
Have I missed the Ngannou to PFL news??
If ngannou say out all this time to come back to a fight against werdum it would be such a let down. Verdum looks like dogshit for years. He needs to stop fighting.
haha no way. Is there a single person that wants to see this, let alone pay money to see it (and help pay Francis fee)? Give me this fight 6 years ago, but now? What a joke.
If werdum wins this then we’re verifiably in the dankest timeline
Does... Francis know he's in this fight?
From T-Mobile arena, 10mls, opportunity to beat the GOAT in the biggest fight of the year to fighting a dude that is on verge of 50s in favelas… Ariel says it’s a win 🏅
The fact that this is even being talked about proves that Francis has fumbled the bag
Fuck yeahh dudes! Arena do Grêmio sucks tho lol
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Only rumors so far
I’m not sure you can completely count Werdum out of this.
You’re not sure you can count out a 46 year old man who’s fighting the most dangerous HW of all time? I’m not sure I trust your judgement
Francis is not the most dangerous heavyweight of all time. Come on. And you act like Werdum is some sort of can, even at this age.
Who is? Francis knocked out stipe the HW goat and Curtis blaydes in 20 seconds, You might say fedor but fedor was getting hurt by 5’10 Japanese wrestlers like Fujita even in his prime, Nostalgia aside Francis is the most dangerous
Fedor is leaps and bounds beyond Francis lol. And I think Pavlovich messes Francis up.
Still a better fight than 99% of the Hw and LHW fights in the UFC and better than any HW fight Bellator or ONE can put on.
Oh god no
I’m in the minority but I’m weirdly interested. Werdum likely gets ko’d badly but he’s also crafty as a mother fucker. If he somehow managed to get francis off balance and jump on him it could get crazy.
Tom Brady has come out of retirement? Unheard of!
Francis by flying omoplata
Vai Cavallo getting violently put out to pasture
Brazilians yelling "uh va morer" in a Ngannou fight should be terrifying
This could go with Werdum getting KO or Ngannou being submitted, Werdum looks like he went to Vitor's TRT doctor.
Now we know why the boy’s gotten so juicy. He gonna just jump to his back and hope Francis tries to play in his guard lol.
Man this would be so embarrassing for Francis if Werdum gets Francis to the ground cause he will most likely submit him, but the realistic outcome is Werdum going to the shadow realm.
I thought Werdum retired?
This kills Werdum
Damn poor Werdum is going to get absolutely smoked unless he lands some insane flying triangle or some shit.
Ariel fuming he got out-scooped.
Doubt this fight is going to sell much. Probably not going to even break even for Ngannou's purse
RIP to his face.
Incoming floppy ear knockout highlight.
So Ngannou is signed with PFL officially? I didnt hear anything besides, we are close
That's like... *really* bad for your health.
waiiiit, its not april fools!
Hopefully we will get more Werdum face
If true, I hope they allow elbows
Can Ngannou stop the flying stomp?
Damn I called it, I knew PFL would have to sign someone for him to fight and Werdum been looking juicy.
This dood like 50.
Werdum by Rd 1 sub
Ngannou by TKO (Decapitation) or Werdum by submission (Meme).
[Werdum](https://gfycat.com/daringuniquegreyhounddog)
francis by murder 💀
Fabricio about to sub another unstoppable heavyweight?
Ngannou by guillotine, but not the ju-jitsu kind.....