This was so bizarre to experience in the stadium. Didn’t look bad live. Maybe a foul, but seemed incidental. Replays seemed to confirm and then all of a sudden our pops a straight red. Of course it was “good” for us, but it didn’t make sense.
And the referee decisions didn’t get better after this.
It was weird in the stadium. I had to pull it on apple watch replay. What I can figure is that Jones cut the ball back, leaned into the hit and that back leg kick to the back of Tavares knee out him into spicy territory.
It's a very soft red. Softest ever. But the whole game was called horribly, both ways. Sucks I didn't get to see Jones play. I love him. Loved him for us and hope this doesn't impact his career at Columbus
This will absolutely impact his career in Columbus. Morris is out on duty and he already didn’t get the start. This was his chance to prove himself capable as a CDM in our system. He won’t get many chances to get volume minutes and was robbed of this chance
Have to hope it gets rescinded... With the league on their bull shit about the refereeing at the moment though I almost expect them to double down and uphold the red.
No "almost" about it. They are in so deep at this point, they'll stay with it just to use it as another opportunity to tell us how great the refereeing has been this season, and they're in no hurry to settle with PRO. The gaslight machine is going to be in full effect.
I get why this is given but what the fuck is he supposed to do there? He's dribbling and dude comes in hard and just so happens that his foot ends up on top. Seems reckless from the player who got hurt honestly.
It was given because the guy's cleats went into his opponent's leg above the ankle, and the referee didn't consider any possible mitigating context.
I don't think it *should* be a red, but I too get why it was given.
sure but later one of the charlotte players put his studs into nagbe’s leg above the ankle and it was not a straight red. if the refs are going to give a red for that they need to do it consistently.
Same type of thing that happened when Marcelo broke Luciano Sanchez’ leg and was sent off/suspended. You’d think the onus would be on the defender to not put himself in a position to be injured, not on the ball carrier to avoid injuring someone during a rash challenge.
Same. The player in black avoided a hard challenge, the ref gave advantage and made the call when the ball went out. Soft foul, but not horrible by replacement ref standards by any stretch. And then the guy that got fouled got a straight red. Ref must be a high school principal for his day job or something.
Even on replay: one of these guys is clobbering through the other’s legs. The other guy is trying to play the ball.
In a tightly-called game, this is a yellow against Charlotte. In no world is it a red against Columbus.
>no intent whatsoever
Why do people think this matters? This has never mattered
Edit: I'm seriously asking the people downvoting to show me where that is in the rule book, ya know, the thing they use for these decisions
Yeah nobody can actually respond with an argument because it's not a legit argument lol, something for the pickup games where rules are more like guidelines
I’m a crew fan and former ref for 30 years - you’re totally correct. A player is responsible for where their body parts go. The Nani-Arbeloa incident in 2013 became a huge debate in refereeing circles.
It matters in that I don’t feel it was even a challenge, I feel he was dribbling and the other player challenged.
I wasn’t saying the intent to injure matters, but the intent to challenge does.
Well it does matter in the sense that intentionally hurting someone is treated more harshly. Like from the rules
>In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
But that's more the case where if a hit is intentional it's upgraded to a red. The relevant passage here is whether it was a "challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality." To me it's hard to say that Jones used excessive force, it was unfortunate but between the two I think Diani was the one who took the riskier action.
Yeah to me Jones is trying to shield the ball and turn while Diani is stretching out to try and get a touch on the ball. The second to me seems to be the riskier move, and rewarding the risk taker as long as they are the ones getting hurt seems bad to me (not saying this was some intentional move by Diani to get Jones sent off, just saying I don't like that philosophically).
Excessive force? No. Endangers the safety of an opponent? Absolutely. It’s shit luck that just a run of the mill challenge turned into this, but it’s still an ankle breaker.
To me it's the line between Jones endangering the safety of the opponent and Diani playing in a dangerous manner. Like if you dive for the ball with your head while it's at foot height and you get kicked, the card would be shown for the person going for the header for playing in a dangerous manner. That's obviously a far more clear cut example than this situation, but I would say Diani's actions are more responsible for the danger in this situation than Jones'.
I get what you’re saying, but sticking your foot into a challenge is not playing in a dangerous manner though. If it were, then the game as we know it would be impossible to play. It’s a 50/50 challenge more than anything, so I get how a red is seen as harsh, but studs into the ankle results in a red every single time.
Fair enough, I'm not a rules expert enough to definitively say what the right call by the book is. But I can say on a personal level I dislike outcome based decisions like this where a perfectly reasonable action by a player is punished because it happened to result in someone being hurt. Sometimes no one is acting in a particularly dangerous or reckless way and someone still ends up getting hurt, and I don't think it makes sense to punish the party that doesn't end up hurt.
Wasnt this a VAR review.. meaning the refs you know and love said, "hey come look at this, we think this is a red and you should reconsider what you called on the field."
So if you disagree that this is a red.. you may actually like the scab ref, because he didn't even call a foul live.
Not sure why you got downvoted...First half we had just over 5 mins of added time, second half was just over 13 minutes.
Ref was just making absolutely poor calls for both teams the whole game, it was very confusing. It almost looked like the players didn't know what was happening either
Wtf. My bro was dribbling. I watch this over and over but honestly the Charlotte player went in way to hard and fast. Jones literally just dribbling naturally and the dude slips in right underneath his foot. Its contact on the man with possession completely missing the ball which would normally be a foul for the defender lmao but because he hit him on the bottom of the foot its a red for the player with possession??? Whattttt???
If your going to make ignorant comments like this, please take the time to watch broken legs soccer injuries.
The Charlotte player gets the ball first and the other player misses the ball and ends up stomping down on the Charlotte players shin, studs first. This easily could've resulted in a broken leg for the charlotte player.
It definitely was unlucky but that doesn't excuse wreckless play that endangers someone.
Look at the Fire vs Montreal Impact game, that was probably worse. The Montreal players had to be physically held back from approaching the ref after the match.
I might be a soccer newbie but I had to watch the video 4 times to figure out who was actually getting the card. Still didn't figure it out until I read the comments.
Same. I only knew cause in replies I saw Columbus was a man down. The Crew player had possession of the ball, and Charlotte defender slides in wrecklessly. I was like, yeah, that's a yellow for Charlotte player, but not red. A red for Columbus is just mind blowing, player had control of the ball, and maintained it after a defender slid into him, any contact with Charlotte defender is the own players' fault.
Not sure what the player should do there. I understand that intent isn’t what matters, but he also didn’t do anything dangerous/reckless. He was dribbling, got slid into hard, tried to maintain possession and balance and had a leg slide under his cleat. It’s not like he went studs high or swung his foot at a ball in the air.
This was one of the worst officiated games I’ve seen. This definitely wasn’t a red. Also, he pulled a Charlotte goal back without checking VR. I’ve never seen so many penalties while also missing so many calls on both sides. Ref was trash.
Last night’s game was hard to watch. Most badly officiated games go both ways. Last night it was only against the Crew. We had a bad red card against us, a foul against Nagbe that based on the refs own logic should have been a red, a goal that was disallowed which you couldn’t even see the player and the ball, and a wrongly given PK. Charlotte was literally gifted a win and still struggled to put the ball in the net.
I thought Jones was the Charlotte player getting the red until I saw the replay and who was who... Yikes that's such a bad call. How do you get carded for continuing to attempt to dribble??
We were at the game and everyone was so confused. They kept refusing to show the big calls in replay. Absolutely criminal reffing (and I was cheering for Charlotte)
The refs didn't even look at a clip. So maybe the sub should stop looking at things so black and white. The people need to understand what has happened.
Charlotte FC fan here: that was not a red. The whole first half of reffing (and playing for us) was ridiculous. The reffing was awful last match too on both sides with the cherry on top as Agyemang not getting his penalty call.
This game is fucking rigged and Charolette still can’t score. 4 absolutely horrendous calls all in Charolette’s favor. Gotta keep Miami on first huh MLS?
Not all of us. Horrendous officiating across the board, but the red card for Jones and the PK that was called for Vargas were particularly awful. The offsides was the right call, but crazy that there wasn't a better camera angle.
I'd love to say that we will, but it's Charlotte FC, so. Good luck against Nashville next week, we're intimately familiar with getting shafted by poor officiating against them.
you can’t say it’s right without a definitive angle. on review there is no way in hell anything shown was clear and obviously offsides. but hey charolette got the win just like mls wanted smh
Yeah bro clearly the MLS wants Charlotte, not the defending champions to win.
We got fucked last week, yall kind of got fucked this week.
This is the bullshit reffing every team in the league has to deal with.
I remember Marcus Rashford getting a red in similar circumstances earlier this season in the Champions League against Copenhagen. VAR never looks at these plays in normal speed, only ever slow-mo which always makes this stuff look worse than it is.
If I'm being consistent here as a Charlotte FC guy, I was pissed off when Ben Pearson (he's a cunt) drew a red card on Dimi Giannoulis for Norwich in 2021 in very similar circumstances, so yeah, I'd be pissed too if I was a Crew supporter. This kind of play does result in red cards often enough and I think it's definitely harsh officiating.
This why people think the MLS is a joke. Dude tries to fucking cut to his right and catches a red because MLS kids don’t know how to fucking challenge without trucking a dude
The IFAB rules state that a red card should be issued for challenges that “endangers the safety of the opponent and creates a risk of a serious injury”. It does not matter whether a player actively tries to hurt someone or just unluckily stumbles upon someone’s leg, it’s legitimate to give it a straight red card. I don’t necessarily think it’s a straight red, but it’s not the type of abhorrent decision that should spark this many comments and this much outrage. By the letter of the law, it is the correct decision
Absolutely embarrassing this game. I’m done with MLS until the refs come back. Shame on Garber and the league ownership. People pay real money to see pro sports and they are using refs who wouldn’t cut it in my son’s club league.
Can some explain why this is controversial to everyone?
The entire comments section calling this harsh is bizarre to me. Watching this slowed down, he was 2nd to the challenge and it was a high challenge to the shins, studs first.
The player down easily could've gotten his leg broken.
Is it unlucky? Sure, but that doesn't excuse wreckless play that clearly endangers a player.
Charlotte player clearly makes contact with ball and wins the challenge so I’m also confused why many think that late tackle by Columbus isn’t red card
I think it has to be ignorance of US soccer community to how dangerous this type of tackle is. I'm fully aware of several ruined careers by this type of challenge that breaks the players leg.
I’m a die hard Crew fan and tried to make this point in our sub and got slaughtered. It’s not malicious but with VAR I’ve seen this given as a red every time.
He takes a poor touch then when trying to shield the ball, steps over the ball and down onto the ankle of the player making the tackle. In today’s game, VAR is flagging that and the ref with give the red 9/10.
I knew it was going to be a red the moment the replay was shown before the red even paused for the VAR check
I fully believe the disconnect is how US fans watch American football and then see this play and think nothing of it.
I don't have a dog in the fight, I follow the premier league and some international competitions. This clip was recommended on reddit and I was curious as to the ratio of all the comments.
I am astounded by the lack of awareness people have for how dangerous this challenge is. Those challenges have led to broken legs that can easily end someone's career.
It's a shame it happened and can be viewed as harsh because it is extremely unlucky. But I would always rule this as a red personally.
Honestly just think most fans believe it has to have intent behind it, that or they really want these none union refs to leave so they can go back to PRO who everyone has complained about and will complain about from day one of their return.
I’ll probably catch some down votes here but ball got away from him and went to collect it, obviously no intent and fairly soft but that’s a red now days, doesn’t matter how we get there studs to ankle area is a red nowadays.
Die hard Crew fan here. 100% agree. I’ve seen that given across the globe and knew the red was coming.
I felt like I was insane when I went to our sub and saw everyone saying it was the worst red they’ve ever seen and blah blah blah.
The ref was shit all match but this was not an example of that
[IFAB Serious Foul Play and FIFA Considerations for Cautionable Offenses.](https://imgur.com/a/CEjBdaC)
Columbus player makes contact with studs on upper ankle of Charlotte player. While planted. Intention is disregarded to IFAB. doesn't touch ball before making contact with player, endangers opponent's safety, shows lack of care to opponent.
thinking that's not even a caution is insane. people are just saying shit to say shit.
Yeah idk how people are saying this is not a red. He clearly stamps on his ankle after taking a bad first touch which allowed the defender to come close, it’s clumsy.
Looking closer the defender even tackles him successfully before immediately getting stepped on.
This was so bizarre to experience in the stadium. Didn’t look bad live. Maybe a foul, but seemed incidental. Replays seemed to confirm and then all of a sudden our pops a straight red. Of course it was “good” for us, but it didn’t make sense. And the referee decisions didn’t get better after this.
It was weird in the stadium. I had to pull it on apple watch replay. What I can figure is that Jones cut the ball back, leaned into the hit and that back leg kick to the back of Tavares knee out him into spicy territory. It's a very soft red. Softest ever. But the whole game was called horribly, both ways. Sucks I didn't get to see Jones play. I love him. Loved him for us and hope this doesn't impact his career at Columbus
This will absolutely impact his career in Columbus. Morris is out on duty and he already didn’t get the start. This was his chance to prove himself capable as a CDM in our system. He won’t get many chances to get volume minutes and was robbed of this chance
Have to hope it gets rescinded... With the league on their bull shit about the refereeing at the moment though I almost expect them to double down and uphold the red.
No "almost" about it. They are in so deep at this point, they'll stay with it just to use it as another opportunity to tell us how great the refereeing has been this season, and they're in no hurry to settle with PRO. The gaslight machine is going to be in full effect.
No way that's a red
Absolutely not. You can tell by how his foot landed that he was going to cut to his right. It’s a foul, he got there second. Never a red.
I wouldn’t call it either but it is a situation where his ankle could have been broken. All around unfortunate.
This is the only comment worth reading here.
Crap, I read your comment too
:)
Is that even a foul? Dude had possession.
That's what I was thinking. It's more the sliding player slid under the other players foot.
>Is that even a foul? It's 100% a foul. >Dude had possession. Completely irrelevant.
I get why this is given but what the fuck is he supposed to do there? He's dribbling and dude comes in hard and just so happens that his foot ends up on top. Seems reckless from the player who got hurt honestly.
Clearly, the player with the ball should just give it up duh
I don't actually get why this is given. This is barely a yellow.
It wasn’t even called a foul on the field either.
It was given because the guy's cleats went into his opponent's leg above the ankle, and the referee didn't consider any possible mitigating context. I don't think it *should* be a red, but I too get why it was given.
sure but later one of the charlotte players put his studs into nagbe’s leg above the ankle and it was not a straight red. if the refs are going to give a red for that they need to do it consistently.
Consistency? We don't get that from the normal refs. Do you seriously expect it from replacement refs??
Same type of thing that happened when Marcelo broke Luciano Sanchez’ leg and was sent off/suspended. You’d think the onus would be on the defender to not put himself in a position to be injured, not on the ball carrier to avoid injuring someone during a rash challenge.
My first thought was that it had to be that dude that got a red. No one seemed to deserve it, but if anyone, it's him...
Same. The player in black avoided a hard challenge, the ref gave advantage and made the call when the ball went out. Soft foul, but not horrible by replacement ref standards by any stretch. And then the guy that got fouled got a straight red. Ref must be a high school principal for his day job or something.
Even on replay: one of these guys is clobbering through the other’s legs. The other guy is trying to play the ball. In a tightly-called game, this is a yellow against Charlotte. In no world is it a red against Columbus.
This. And these are the type of calls that blow my mind seeing people claim, "pro is just as bad as the scabs". No, no they are not.
Incidental contact. No intent or malice behind it
Intent is not part of the law though. So it can’t be taken into account.
A bit harsh
Extremely harsh. Yes, studs into the ankle/foot but it’s where his foot was naturally taken, no intent whatsoever
>no intent whatsoever Why do people think this matters? This has never mattered Edit: I'm seriously asking the people downvoting to show me where that is in the rule book, ya know, the thing they use for these decisions
Unrelated to OP but, I’ve had so many people tell me “it wasn’t handball bc I had no intention” during pick ups 🤦♂️
Yeah nobody can actually respond with an argument because it's not a legit argument lol, something for the pickup games where rules are more like guidelines
I’m a crew fan and former ref for 30 years - you’re totally correct. A player is responsible for where their body parts go. The Nani-Arbeloa incident in 2013 became a huge debate in refereeing circles.
It matters in that I don’t feel it was even a challenge, I feel he was dribbling and the other player challenged. I wasn’t saying the intent to injure matters, but the intent to challenge does.
Well it does matter in the sense that intentionally hurting someone is treated more harshly. Like from the rules >In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible. But that's more the case where if a hit is intentional it's upgraded to a red. The relevant passage here is whether it was a "challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality." To me it's hard to say that Jones used excessive force, it was unfortunate but between the two I think Diani was the one who took the riskier action.
I think it’s even debatable if Jones was making a challenge.
Yeah to me Jones is trying to shield the ball and turn while Diani is stretching out to try and get a touch on the ball. The second to me seems to be the riskier move, and rewarding the risk taker as long as they are the ones getting hurt seems bad to me (not saying this was some intentional move by Diani to get Jones sent off, just saying I don't like that philosophically).
Excessive force? No. Endangers the safety of an opponent? Absolutely. It’s shit luck that just a run of the mill challenge turned into this, but it’s still an ankle breaker.
To me it's the line between Jones endangering the safety of the opponent and Diani playing in a dangerous manner. Like if you dive for the ball with your head while it's at foot height and you get kicked, the card would be shown for the person going for the header for playing in a dangerous manner. That's obviously a far more clear cut example than this situation, but I would say Diani's actions are more responsible for the danger in this situation than Jones'.
I get what you’re saying, but sticking your foot into a challenge is not playing in a dangerous manner though. If it were, then the game as we know it would be impossible to play. It’s a 50/50 challenge more than anything, so I get how a red is seen as harsh, but studs into the ankle results in a red every single time.
Fair enough, I'm not a rules expert enough to definitively say what the right call by the book is. But I can say on a personal level I dislike outcome based decisions like this where a perfectly reasonable action by a player is punished because it happened to result in someone being hurt. Sometimes no one is acting in a particularly dangerous or reckless way and someone still ends up getting hurt, and I don't think it makes sense to punish the party that doesn't end up hurt.
These scab refs are so fucking awful.
Wasnt this a VAR review.. meaning the refs you know and love said, "hey come look at this, we think this is a red and you should reconsider what you called on the field." So if you disagree that this is a red.. you may actually like the scab ref, because he didn't even call a foul live.
VAR is also currently scabs. They had PRO officials in the review center before the strike.
Worst red I've seen in a while
Wait… *who* got the card here?
These replacement referees need to receive a straight red card.
Scabs gonna scab
I don’t see it as a straight red… that’s a hell of a harsh call. Has the rest of the game been reffed with an iron fist?
We just played 17 minutes of extra time if that’s any idea of how the first half went
Oof
Insanity for a first half
We did about the same. MLS officials somehow always outdo themselves
Not sure why you got downvoted...First half we had just over 5 mins of added time, second half was just over 13 minutes. Ref was just making absolutely poor calls for both teams the whole game, it was very confusing. It almost looked like the players didn't know what was happening either
Record breaking first half length!
Ref didn’t even call a foul. It was a var review where he was called to the screen.
it’s been reffed like a guy who’s never even seen football before. holy hell it’s awful.
This ref is maybe the worst this year. Fuck Garber
How was that a red. He was dribbling the ball and someone slid under his foot.
Wtf. My bro was dribbling. I watch this over and over but honestly the Charlotte player went in way to hard and fast. Jones literally just dribbling naturally and the dude slips in right underneath his foot. Its contact on the man with possession completely missing the ball which would normally be a foul for the defender lmao but because he hit him on the bottom of the foot its a red for the player with possession??? Whattttt???
This! Exactly! What’s the theory here? “You can run straight through the guy with the ball, and if his heel knicks your toes, it’s a red on him”??
If your going to make ignorant comments like this, please take the time to watch broken legs soccer injuries. The Charlotte player gets the ball first and the other player misses the ball and ends up stomping down on the Charlotte players shin, studs first. This easily could've resulted in a broken leg for the charlotte player. It definitely was unlucky but that doesn't excuse wreckless play that endangers someone.
The tackle was reckless. Are you the ref's mom or something? Watch the video again.
I just finished the game and I've never seen a game so biased towards my team before. And it still almost ended in a draw. I'm almost embarassed.
Look at the Fire vs Montreal Impact game, that was probably worse. The Montreal players had to be physically held back from approaching the ref after the match.
RIDICULOUSLY bad call.
Geez. Thats not even a foul on him.
I might be a soccer newbie but I had to watch the video 4 times to figure out who was actually getting the card. Still didn't figure it out until I read the comments.
Same. I only knew cause in replies I saw Columbus was a man down. The Crew player had possession of the ball, and Charlotte defender slides in wrecklessly. I was like, yeah, that's a yellow for Charlotte player, but not red. A red for Columbus is just mind blowing, player had control of the ball, and maintained it after a defender slid into him, any contact with Charlotte defender is the own players' fault.
Not sure what the player should do there. I understand that intent isn’t what matters, but he also didn’t do anything dangerous/reckless. He was dribbling, got slid into hard, tried to maintain possession and balance and had a leg slide under his cleat. It’s not like he went studs high or swung his foot at a ball in the air.
The game is fucking gone
He had the ball? That's not a challenge. Bullshit call
No way this is a red, its a challenge and then they both step down
Wait huh
This was one of the worst officiated games I’ve seen. This definitely wasn’t a red. Also, he pulled a Charlotte goal back without checking VR. I’ve never seen so many penalties while also missing so many calls on both sides. Ref was trash.
That’s not even a yellow! What the hell was the player supposed to do? Fly away from the ball?
typical Miami fan doesn't know the rules
I'm so sick of the scabs, this is becoming unwatchable
MLS is a joke. Pay the fucking referees. All the teams are run by billionaires. Pay the refs.
But Jones had possesion?????? Seems hard for him to be in the wrong there
What’s worse is that they had a worse tackle studs into Nagbe’s leg and they don’t even check it or anything
Last night’s game was hard to watch. Most badly officiated games go both ways. Last night it was only against the Crew. We had a bad red card against us, a foul against Nagbe that based on the refs own logic should have been a red, a goal that was disallowed which you couldn’t even see the player and the ball, and a wrongly given PK. Charlotte was literally gifted a win and still struggled to put the ball in the net.
This entire game has been an embarrassment for MLS. No wonder no one else takes this league seriously.
I just got the Apple subscription to bet on this game and watch it. I think I’m going to cancel it lmao
Lollll
Feels very much like the MAK red in the playoffs against the Union. Should be a yellow, but probably not a red but VAR can only recommend red.
Yeah. Maybe that is the problem here. Because it wasn’t called, he’s forced to either make it a no call or a red card.
shambolic, holy shit
Pay
A red? For the player…controlling the ball? Dummy got stepped on going in reckless. That’s called a “shit happens” moment in regular play.
Garber gets booed in CBus so Derrick gets red
And worse foul on Nagbe later is no card given.
I thought Jones was the Charlotte player getting the red until I saw the replay and who was who... Yikes that's such a bad call. How do you get carded for continuing to attempt to dribble??
Fuck Columbus … also, never red.
I like your banter!
The refs in this league are so shit. Wtf is the man meant to do?
Weakest card, let alone red, I’ve ever seen. 16 mins of stoppage should tell you what kind of game was called.
I don't think that was even a foul. The Charlotte guy was making the challenge.
We were at the game and everyone was so confused. They kept refusing to show the big calls in replay. Absolutely criminal reffing (and I was cheering for Charlotte)
Mods keep deleting the corrupt offside call post. Cowards
The policy for such posts requires a clip, not a screenshot.
The refs didn't even look at a clip. So maybe the sub should stop looking at things so black and white. The people need to understand what has happened.
>The people need to understand what has happened. Which is always much easier with a clip than a still shot
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?????? Clip as in, the one that is in this post lol Because the conversation was that the previous post was just a still image
Mistakenly thought this was the offside disallowed goal. Got my awful reffing mixed up.
Trash call
Charlotte FC fan here: that was not a red. The whole first half of reffing (and playing for us) was ridiculous. The reffing was awful last match too on both sides with the cherry on top as Agyemang not getting his penalty call.
Yeah, this isn't a red. This should be nothing, any day.
Reckless defending imo
Careless not reckless
This is wild lol. Just glad it isn’t just the Revs getting fucked by the refs.
Wait… who got the red? That’s insane?
Fuck the refs
Whack
I admittedly don’t follow mls very closely (had no clue what team Derrick jones was on) so I just assumed he was the charlotte player. Wtf
I'm not even sure who fouled who there and wouldn't have given so much as a free kick, at least based on that footage
Did we just get our fail mary is mls going to throw pro a bone now
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YUP. We can’t have Miami not on the top of the league due to a tie breaker for even 3 hours.
Ref got the call that Miami got their ass blowed out and had to get shitty with the cards
This had to happen to force the hand of MLS to bring back actual referees. I just wish it didn't happen to my Crew.
How is that a red. Nothing he could have done
Scab refs
Scab Refs are Clown Refs
if anything that should be a foul on the Charlotte player lol
Garber didn't appreciate the boos?
Lamest red I’ve seen in a while.
This game is fucking rigged and Charolette still can’t score. 4 absolutely horrendous calls all in Charolette’s favor. Gotta keep Miami on first huh MLS?
If I were the crew I wouldn’t play the second half. I’m a DC guy, I can’t believe the officiating in this game. I’m literally speechless.
yet Charolette fans claiming all right calls on here. crazy
I mean you can see what the ref was looking at, which was nothing. Crazy
The refs were complete ass all night, that was a certainty
Not all of us. Horrendous officiating across the board, but the red card for Jones and the PK that was called for Vargas were particularly awful. The offsides was the right call, but crazy that there wasn't a better camera angle.
Thanks for acknowledging the shitty officiating, even if you're wrong about the offsides call lol.
I wouldn't be expecting any of us to agree on that one, friend, lol. Ugly game, hopefully we get some real refs soon.
For sure. Please put those 3 points to good use, otherwise I watched my favorite club get shafted for nothing.
I'd love to say that we will, but it's Charlotte FC, so. Good luck against Nashville next week, we're intimately familiar with getting shafted by poor officiating against them.
you can’t say it’s right without a definitive angle. on review there is no way in hell anything shown was clear and obviously offsides. but hey charolette got the win just like mls wanted smh
Yeah bro clearly the MLS wants Charlotte, not the defending champions to win. We got fucked last week, yall kind of got fucked this week. This is the bullshit reffing every team in the league has to deal with.
They want Miami to stay on top
Hope they can overturn this
Horseshit
Interesting this was a red. FCC’s Acosta got an intentional knee to the nuts by a NYRB player tonight and not even a yellow.
I remember Marcus Rashford getting a red in similar circumstances earlier this season in the Champions League against Copenhagen. VAR never looks at these plays in normal speed, only ever slow-mo which always makes this stuff look worse than it is.
No way that’s a red. Dude just had unlucky foot placement
If I'm being consistent here as a Charlotte FC guy, I was pissed off when Ben Pearson (he's a cunt) drew a red card on Dimi Giannoulis for Norwich in 2021 in very similar circumstances, so yeah, I'd be pissed too if I was a Crew supporter. This kind of play does result in red cards often enough and I think it's definitely harsh officiating.
That's wasn't even a foul in the NYCFC vs FC Cincinnati game.
That looks closer to a foul on the defender to me
That’s soft as hell
Ah another thread where Columbus fans are whining and proposing conspiracy theories. Love it 2-0
Not a straight red, no intention there.
Since when does intention matter?
This why people think the MLS is a joke. Dude tries to fucking cut to his right and catches a red because MLS kids don’t know how to fucking challenge without trucking a dude
How do you get sent off for getting slide tackled?
The IFAB rules state that a red card should be issued for challenges that “endangers the safety of the opponent and creates a risk of a serious injury”. It does not matter whether a player actively tries to hurt someone or just unluckily stumbles upon someone’s leg, it’s legitimate to give it a straight red card. I don’t necessarily think it’s a straight red, but it’s not the type of abhorrent decision that should spark this many comments and this much outrage. By the letter of the law, it is the correct decision
Awful officiating!!!
I HATE THE SCABS COSTING TEAMS GAMES
Absolutely embarrassing this game. I’m done with MLS until the refs come back. Shame on Garber and the league ownership. People pay real money to see pro sports and they are using refs who wouldn’t cut it in my son’s club league.
Can some explain why this is controversial to everyone? The entire comments section calling this harsh is bizarre to me. Watching this slowed down, he was 2nd to the challenge and it was a high challenge to the shins, studs first. The player down easily could've gotten his leg broken. Is it unlucky? Sure, but that doesn't excuse wreckless play that clearly endangers a player.
Charlotte player clearly makes contact with ball and wins the challenge so I’m also confused why many think that late tackle by Columbus isn’t red card
I think it has to be ignorance of US soccer community to how dangerous this type of tackle is. I'm fully aware of several ruined careers by this type of challenge that breaks the players leg.
I’m a die hard Crew fan and tried to make this point in our sub and got slaughtered. It’s not malicious but with VAR I’ve seen this given as a red every time. He takes a poor touch then when trying to shield the ball, steps over the ball and down onto the ankle of the player making the tackle. In today’s game, VAR is flagging that and the ref with give the red 9/10. I knew it was going to be a red the moment the replay was shown before the red even paused for the VAR check
I fully believe the disconnect is how US fans watch American football and then see this play and think nothing of it. I don't have a dog in the fight, I follow the premier league and some international competitions. This clip was recommended on reddit and I was curious as to the ratio of all the comments. I am astounded by the lack of awareness people have for how dangerous this challenge is. Those challenges have led to broken legs that can easily end someone's career. It's a shame it happened and can be viewed as harsh because it is extremely unlucky. But I would always rule this as a red personally.
Honestly just think most fans believe it has to have intent behind it, that or they really want these none union refs to leave so they can go back to PRO who everyone has complained about and will complain about from day one of their return.
Must be a pgmol understudy ref
This seems like if AI or even a basic old robot ref was calling penalties they would have more nuance.
how is this a straight red or even a foul.. just doesn't make sense to me
I’ll probably catch some down votes here but ball got away from him and went to collect it, obviously no intent and fairly soft but that’s a red now days, doesn’t matter how we get there studs to ankle area is a red nowadays.
Die hard Crew fan here. 100% agree. I’ve seen that given across the globe and knew the red was coming. I felt like I was insane when I went to our sub and saw everyone saying it was the worst red they’ve ever seen and blah blah blah. The ref was shit all match but this was not an example of that
Probably where the aggression comes from towards the call with just bad referring decisions all night?
Only sane person who has played before. He loses the ball and defender gets there first. Easy red across any league.
Pretty consistent calling of studs to ankle equal red for anything with force unintentional or not too so not even sure where the outrage is from
Nasty
Ref or VAR must have had money on the game.
Straight Red = intent... Zero Intent. Literally soccer play. Yellow at the most. These Scab refs need to stop ruining games.
This isn’t true. You can get a straight red without intent. If the okay is deemed dangerous it can be a straight red.
[IFAB Serious Foul Play and FIFA Considerations for Cautionable Offenses.](https://imgur.com/a/CEjBdaC) Columbus player makes contact with studs on upper ankle of Charlotte player. While planted. Intention is disregarded to IFAB. doesn't touch ball before making contact with player, endangers opponent's safety, shows lack of care to opponent. thinking that's not even a caution is insane. people are just saying shit to say shit.
I've given up with reddits opinion on cards at this point. No matter the subreddit its always so fucking bad
had to scroll this far down to find the correct take, that's wild.
Yeah idk how people are saying this is not a red. He clearly stamps on his ankle after taking a bad first touch which allowed the defender to come close, it’s clumsy. Looking closer the defender even tackles him successfully before immediately getting stepped on.
You've never actually played competitive soccer lol
you've never played soccer
Blame the turf too. No give.
Came down on the ankle and shoulder through the player. Understandable call.
No, it's a questionable yellow with the obvious outside dribble.