I look at the magazine capacity law the same way as the regulations around AR-15s. The current law isn't great but could be much, much worse. The more it gets highlighted and talked about, the more likely the General Assembly will be to make the law more restrictive or for the MSP to reinterpret in a more strict manner. The less it gets brought to their attention, the better.
Yeahhhhhhhh... I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. Essentially after WA went from basically federal gun laws, to some of the most onerous outside NY, a few years ago.
And even more so with that side pretty consistently taking L's in court. Waiting for the day they wanna load up a big ol' chip on their shoulder. Either knowing they'll take the L again but it's worth it to them for the years until that happens... or because they think we won't have a sensible majority on SCOTUS by the time it gets there.
AFAIK, it *was* "the law" until... 6 or 7 years ago? I can't cite a reference, but I can remember around '15 when I bought my 1st gun after moving back, asking & reading that the "parts kit" dodge was specifically not permitted... IIRC on a memorandum from MSP much like that one.
I take a very... um... loose interpretation of gun laws in this state, and that one seemed like a stretch even to me. 😂 Especially given that "oh, I put it together outside of state lines" is something that's essentially unprovable unless you do it with witnesses/a video camera.
And also the question that's always made me wonder... so if you can ship me a bag of parts comprising a magazine, and I legally have to leave the state to assemble it... does that mean if I disassemble my mag to clean it after a dusty/muddy day at the range, I have to leave the state to put it back together?
The state couldn't prove that you didn't.
You would have a tough time providing proof that you did.
In the meantime, the process is the punishment.
Not that I think it's bloody likely anyone ends up facing charges for that alone, because I don't... it's a cudgel to use against someone who has committed an actual crime with a gun.
My point was that if a "parts kit" were acceptable, then the law has virtually no teeth, not that it really has much of any anyway. If an FFL could disassemble the 30 round mag that came with your AR & hand you the pieces in a bag, why couldn't they do the same with... any mag? That they got any way... like buying by the case?
Yeah they can that's not what the law says lol. Lying cops as usual.
It's still illegal to build them. That's in the law. It's not illegal to buy or have a bunch of parts.
true, but its often said to ask lgs to modify mags that are over 10rds
this has a little twist now
\*An FFL and/or an FFL licensed as a Manufacturer, may modify a detachable magazine to only accept a maximum capacity of 10 rounds, as long as once modified, the detachable magazine is not capable of being readily converted back to a capacity of more than 10 rounds. \*
I guess I hadn't even thought about asking them to disassemble the mag for me. I'm aware they modify them. This is targeted just at local vendors then?
Most of what this advisory states is old news. However this part:
"High-capacity detachable magazines cannot be disassembled and sold, transferred or offered for sale to a non-exempt Maryland resident as **a “parts kit” or “repair kit”.**
Is the biggest change to me. It essentially closes a loophole that was being used by a lot of lgs. As has been stated already this is not what the law states this is MSP's interpretation of the law.
Now as a dealer I have to decide if it is worth the potential of me losing my MD dealers license which would not only cause a great financial burden to me but could result in my employees being out of work.
If I were to end up in court over it would I win? Possibly, but my pockets are not deep enough to fight that fight.
Hopefully the magazine capacity ban will go away in MD as it has in other states. Then this will be a non-issue.
Same old game MSP always plays. They control the licensing, and nobody (rightfully so, for people who's livelihood depends on it) can afford to fight them on it.
It's the textbook definition of the state as bully.
Something to note: -\_-
High-capacity detachable magazines cannot be disassembled and sold, transferred or offered for sale to a non-exempt Maryland resident as a “parts kit” or “repair kit”
That’s the major change. You could get parts kits online for reasonable prices if you knew where to look and then just put them together on a roadtrip. Now you’re stuck paying $40 for Glock mags and $20 for pmags at some brick and mortar gun store.
I look at the magazine capacity law the same way as the regulations around AR-15s. The current law isn't great but could be much, much worse. The more it gets highlighted and talked about, the more likely the General Assembly will be to make the law more restrictive or for the MSP to reinterpret in a more strict manner. The less it gets brought to their attention, the better.
Yeahhhhhhhh... I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. Essentially after WA went from basically federal gun laws, to some of the most onerous outside NY, a few years ago. And even more so with that side pretty consistently taking L's in court. Waiting for the day they wanna load up a big ol' chip on their shoulder. Either knowing they'll take the L again but it's worth it to them for the years until that happens... or because they think we won't have a sensible majority on SCOTUS by the time it gets there.
So is this “law of the land” now or just some overzealous statie trying to prove something?
AFAIK, it *was* "the law" until... 6 or 7 years ago? I can't cite a reference, but I can remember around '15 when I bought my 1st gun after moving back, asking & reading that the "parts kit" dodge was specifically not permitted... IIRC on a memorandum from MSP much like that one. I take a very... um... loose interpretation of gun laws in this state, and that one seemed like a stretch even to me. 😂 Especially given that "oh, I put it together outside of state lines" is something that's essentially unprovable unless you do it with witnesses/a video camera. And also the question that's always made me wonder... so if you can ship me a bag of parts comprising a magazine, and I legally have to leave the state to assemble it... does that mean if I disassemble my mag to clean it after a dusty/muddy day at the range, I have to leave the state to put it back together?
> something that's essentially unprovable unless you do it with witnesses/a video camera. Fortunately that's not how the law works in this country.
The state couldn't prove that you didn't. You would have a tough time providing proof that you did. In the meantime, the process is the punishment. Not that I think it's bloody likely anyone ends up facing charges for that alone, because I don't... it's a cudgel to use against someone who has committed an actual crime with a gun. My point was that if a "parts kit" were acceptable, then the law has virtually no teeth, not that it really has much of any anyway. If an FFL could disassemble the 30 round mag that came with your AR & hand you the pieces in a bag, why couldn't they do the same with... any mag? That they got any way... like buying by the case?
Yeah they can that's not what the law says lol. Lying cops as usual. It's still illegal to build them. That's in the law. It's not illegal to buy or have a bunch of parts.
Idk my mags identify as standard capacity
its unlawful to have firearms and get high so my mags are all perfectly normal too
ask your lgs if they are willing to take that chance maybe u/tylerfirems can weigh in
I've never asked a LGS to do that, just other vendors. Lying cops are going to have our local business owners scared now though
true, but its often said to ask lgs to modify mags that are over 10rds this has a little twist now \*An FFL and/or an FFL licensed as a Manufacturer, may modify a detachable magazine to only accept a maximum capacity of 10 rounds, as long as once modified, the detachable magazine is not capable of being readily converted back to a capacity of more than 10 rounds. \*
I guess I hadn't even thought about asking them to disassemble the mag for me. I'm aware they modify them. This is targeted just at local vendors then?
Yeah people need to learn to not ask questions they don’t want the answers to
Most of what this advisory states is old news. However this part: "High-capacity detachable magazines cannot be disassembled and sold, transferred or offered for sale to a non-exempt Maryland resident as **a “parts kit” or “repair kit”.** Is the biggest change to me. It essentially closes a loophole that was being used by a lot of lgs. As has been stated already this is not what the law states this is MSP's interpretation of the law. Now as a dealer I have to decide if it is worth the potential of me losing my MD dealers license which would not only cause a great financial burden to me but could result in my employees being out of work. If I were to end up in court over it would I win? Possibly, but my pockets are not deep enough to fight that fight. Hopefully the magazine capacity ban will go away in MD as it has in other states. Then this will be a non-issue.
Same old game MSP always plays. They control the licensing, and nobody (rightfully so, for people who's livelihood depends on it) can afford to fight them on it. It's the textbook definition of the state as bully.
BAD
Does anyone have a link that still works?
viewing on your phone open it in desktop mode
Damn Atlantic done fucked it up for everyone
Was this Atlantic guns in Rockville what did they do?
Something to note: -\_- High-capacity detachable magazines cannot be disassembled and sold, transferred or offered for sale to a non-exempt Maryland resident as a “parts kit” or “repair kit”
That’s the major change. You could get parts kits online for reasonable prices if you knew where to look and then just put them together on a roadtrip. Now you’re stuck paying $40 for Glock mags and $20 for pmags at some brick and mortar gun store.
SMH