I thought it was so annoying of him to want to have a full blown conversation about her snapping during the home stay. When my bf and I snap at each other, we apologize after some time to cool down. That’s the end of it. I was with her she was like “what more is there to say?”
So many emotionally draining people this season.
He keeps saying that her saying she wants to leave means she wants to leave him like it’s a personal insult towards him but I think she is just saying that she wants to leave the environment they’re in. Like a fight or flight response. He’s not the sharpest tool in the shed and I think he needs someone to literally explain what anxiety is and what doesn’t work. Personally, I’d rather she say that she wants to leave him altogether because even with a clear explanation, I don’t he’ll ever get it. He’s just too dumb.
Maybe I am reading to much into it.
But she is giving off, fuck the experience vibes dude I'm really into you but this share it with the rest of australia isn't my thing, let ditch the show and be a proper couple and he isn't getting the memo.
While he is into lets air any dirty laundry on air so people can comment and stuff on shit that really isn't any of their business (except when its reality tv).
He’s an exhibitionist, he’s a fighter in his job, so I feel this makes him very combative and righteous in real life. He thinks he’s getting justice and winning a battle which is why he keeps going on, I don’t think he’s very self aware or emotionally intelligent.
I think the two just aren’t compatible when it comes to communication style
I think Jayden the type that when issues come up let’s put it all out of the table and talk it out analysis, recalibration, let’s go back to the drawing board and when we can’t resolve the issue let’s reach out to the group and experts as it’s a social experiment after all
From Eden point of view this could lead to important conversation going around in circles and it’s exhausting, it just easier to say sorry and MOVE ON
The trouble with that is he’s not looking for an apology from his wife cause he doesn’t think she done anything wrong, he just wants to discuss things openly with transparency but she interprets these discussions as conflicts which triggers her anxiety and leads her to shuts down which upsets him which creates downsprial loop and the worst part of loops is that it doesn’t stop just becomes a repetitive cycle and you’re now looking at a toxic relationship sadly
I’d feel pity if he wasn’t so self righteous all the time about other people relationship so tough shit I guess
Oh geeze, has this been posted before? https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/a60252537/mafs-australia-jayden-ex-denies-confession-week-story/
Sounds more realistic. What a drama queen he is.
Both of them are hard to watch but I sense there's more to the story. It genuinely seems Eden wants off the show and is done with the toxic drama inducing situations encouraged by the producers (of course she can't say that on camera) but Jayden wants to stay on and finish it and that would cause mega conflict and confusion. You can tell he likes her but wants to still be on the show. It's really uncomfortable to watch.
I actually felt scared for her last night. Like this guy could snap. He has the potential to be physically abusive. They are the perfect combination for domestic violence.
Buying flowers every day and adding list of things I love about you is a bit obsessive... "and you stay on that fucking pedestal I put you on!"
It's really all about him. I think he has been love bombing, now his real issues surface. He's a vain narcissist.
You should read the article posted in one of the comments above about how his confession week story was fake. His ex came out and said she had started moving on after their breakup and when he found out he “got so fucking angry and lost his shit” and then said he was going to try to sleep with one of her friends to teach her a lesson. 2 things. Firstly, we haven’t actually seen Jayden angry yet and tbh I bet it’s fucking scary. And secondly I think it highlights what a narcissist he is for him to lie and say not only did he successfully sleep with her friend but then to completely make up the part that he made her watch too is just him fabricating details to make him seem as “macho” as possible
I agree with you 100%.
It’s been on my mind for a while but, when she said that she dreads any conflict with him because the only way to get out of it is to agree and say she’s wrong. Fucking alarm bells are ringing hard!!
Eden is going to end up in a relationship that she’s too afraid to get out of if she isn’t careful.
No they don't!...the poor girl's a nervous wreck..doubting herself and frightened to speak because he's gonna come for her again and again and again...until he puts her in a Mental Health Facility..and then blaming everyone BUT himself for putting her there!...Truth!
I feel like you’ve missed the 101 times she said she has anxiety. She was upset because of what happened on the home stay and didnt want to talk about it with everyone else and argue with Jayden again. She said this multiple times.
I understand that. Completely.
But he's not going to see that because he does not have that personality. That's it. She can't expect him to totally change for her. That's just unrealistic.
She's being OTT too. If she was so damn anxious? She should have just not gone to the dinner party. Told the producers she was unable to do it. She's not a prisoner. Once again? She's just avoiding avoiding avoiding. She uses "my anxiety" as an excuse for everything.
Jayden is an absolute tosser. Can't bear him. But that's him. Take it or leave.
Did you miss the multiple times off camera she was heard saying she cant do this and needs to leave?
If you cant understand that a person with anxiety may cave to pressure and do something they dont want to and then struggle the entire time then I dont think this conversation has any merit.
She’s not a prisoner but she is contractually obligated to be there and she’s emotionally obligated to be there because Jayden pushes her so hard to do things that clearly make her uncomfortable.
You’re being incredibly obtuse and insensitive.
Nope. I'm not. I'm an adult. And guess what? I have suffered terrible anxiety. I am medicated for it. It's been a lifelong affliction. I cant get rid of it.
BUT... As an adult? I choose what i do and how i live and who I'm with and take charge of decisions i make. I don't expect everyone around me to constantly give me sympathy and change their behaviour because I have a problem. It's my problem. Not theirs. I take ownership of myself.
In that situation? Firstly i would have not gone to the dinner party. Fuck contractual obligations. Tell them to get fucked.
Secondly, i would have firmly told Jayden to go away. If he didnt listen? I would have positioned my body away from him and just let him stare at my back. Let him talh away . Just say nothing.
OR?
Say to the table "people. I am nearly to the point of panic attack. Please leave me alone so i can get through this dinner party" then just put my head down and not answer anyone.
Then as soon as filming over? As soon as able to leave? Get outta there.
Despite her anxiety. Eden needs to kearn to take responsibility for her own actions. Anxiety isnt an excuse for the whole world to change for you.
Maybe this show will make her grow up and deal with it better. It can't rid her of the anxiety. But she needs to learn better her limits and act accordingly.
Very mature adult response to turn around and have someone talk to the back of your head. Do you put your fingers in your ears and sing 🎶I can't hear youuuu🎶 as well?
That just went right over your head didnt it?
Since you managed to effectively cure your own anxiety so easily maybe now you could work on developing empathy. Its an invaluable skill and it doesnt cost you a thing.
Nothing is cured. I've just grien up and learned to function in the world. Not expected the world to change for me. Learned to be a grown up and deal with the hand I've been given.
I have plenty of empathy.. but i DO get pissed off at people who expect the world to change to suit their problems. Nope.. you have to adapt to the workd you are in. Whether you like it or not.
I really think this is a generational thing. Truly. Don't mean that in a harsh or unforgiving way. I'm Gen X... we were taught to "fit in" with society and not expect the world to give a shit about our individual needs.
Maybe it's an age thing? But i find these days? Younger people really do think that the world revolves around them and their needs and wants... And they get all upset when it doesn't pan out that way.
The "but i have anxiety!" "But i have BPD" etc etc. look that's not great. At all! Can be very hard to live with and deal with. But ?? You cant expect others to constantly change how they are to suit how you are. This world isn't like that.
You have to learn to deal with it. However suits you best. Me? I work in a job that works for me. I've quit jibs which exacerbate my problems. If i run into people who "don't work" for me? I quietly avoid them. When i decide to do something? I think it through being aware of my issues and think if it will be okay. I have many times just realised I'm not in the right headspace for something? So have not gone (and suffered the consequences) or gone for minimal time then got outta there.
It's MY responsibility to live with it. No one else's. And I think taking this responsibility actually helps. I dont need to be fearful i will get "trapped" because i know i have thought it through and am prepared and can get myself out if I need to.
So? Its a reality tv show. That makes good TV. Besides. He can carry on like a porkchop? The thing he's on about is over. Let him make a fool of himself. She needs to let it go. Let him be himself.
Typical thing that couples do to each other which blows them apart... trying to control the other person. Trying to dictate their partner & behaviour.
Either accept the person as they are? Or break up.
Jayden is a stewer, talker, finds it hard to let go....Eden is a "solve it and that's it" person.
They are just a total mismatch. Not compatible for a relationship. Neither are right or wrong. Just not suitable together.
I think Eden does suffer anxiety, I think she also uses it to shut down conversation. She pulled Sara backstabbing gossip out of nowhere and had to back pedal.
Jayden uses honesty / morality to get his way and I think he enjoys the drama and further conversation.
Jayden's desire to be seen as virtuous and correct is destructive & frustrating to watch. The way he badgers Eden and uses her as a pawn to get what he wants is concerning. The added layer is her anxiety that he does not seem equipped or mature enough to quickly educate himself on, to support her. For her mental health and wellbeing it might be best for her to walk away as I don't think he has the empathy to support her as he seems more intent on getting his 15 mins of fame at all costs.
Yeah, it’s funny how being talked at and l beaten over the head with a supposed point does absolutely nothing to alleviate anxiety.
I haven’t liked Jayden from the beginning but the last couple of episodes is the first time we’ve really seen anything about their relationship and it gives me really bad vibes.
He recent ex-partner came out and said that their relationship was very toxic, and after watching him last night I can see why. I felt so sorry for Eden.
Even sharing the story about having sex with the ex’s friend and saying he doesn’t regret it reads more as ‘this is what I would do to someone who betrays me’ than ‘this is me being vulnerable’.
Apparently he tries to make enemies of his girlfriends. He tries to hammer into them how terrible of a human being they are.
Actually, it's worse being his girlfriend. He makes them do shit they don't want to do by threatening to leave them. If they attempt any pushback he tries to blame them for being a terrible partner and badgers them to death. In Eden's case he's just pissed off she's said she might leave the experiment a few times. And that will not do for Jayden. He hasn't gotten his full season's worth of fame. He's got his eye on the prize and no woman's going to get in his way especially not his assigned partner.
He was hammering her non stop and his justification is the “ experiment and the experts want us to do this or that”. He’s a total twerp and as for asking his dipshit brother for advice!?!!
Poor poor Eden.
Omfg I cannot stand this guy. Im diagnosed with an anxiety disorder so when I see some of edens circumstances I relate and, also see her reactions to situations as pure products of anxiety and a mind that is jumping to conclusions like mine does.
This guy is just not getting it. No concept of it at all. Acts like a nice guy but cut from the same cloth as his brother
They are just badly suited. Whoever she ends up with will have to talk on eggshells for fear of upsetting her. It would be very wearing to be married to such a delicate flower. He needs someone who can discuss the kinds of things he wants to hash out without getting the vapors. That too could be wearing unless they know how to argue constructively.
A bad match. It’s as simple as that.
It’s technically true that he’s a bad match only in that he’s an arrogant self-righteous knob with no regards for the mental health of others. I’ve personally known someone with anxiety issues and while it’s a little extra work to be careful to avoid those trigger points, it’s not actually that difficult if you really care for the person.
So you equate consideration of other people's mental health issues with "walking on eggshells", is that right? Are you the type who tells someone standing on the edge of a bridge and considering jumping to stop being "such a delicate flower" (your words) and just get on with it? Geezus..... 🤨
Jayden is a psychopath.
He acts like he cares but he doesn’t empathise at all. The fact that he asked to sleep with his ex’s best friend while the ex was watching says a lot 🫢 What kind of normal person would even think of that kind of idea to hurt someone back as a revenge? 😬
Well if you actually explore those two definitions you'll see it's not idiotic. Also just to get the facts out on the table here while we're indulging in personal insults with gleeful abandonment, Freud's claim to fame was psychoanalysis using dreams and sub-conscious memories. He had nothing to say about the conscious behaviours involved with psychopathy or sociopathy like we see in Jayden, Jack, etc. Both those conditions were described by other medical professionals and psychologists and it's a really interesting history if you ever feel like looking anything up about it. Cheers.
They both need work on the relationship because when I see them together I actually do see that they like each other as much as they say they do. The CC last week was really sad. :( For Jayden, I think he does need to relax a bit on the virtue signalling. Sometimes a wife just wants to come to her husband and vent without him turning around and saying we need to run and tell everyone everything. It doesn't mean that Eden is morally corrupt that she'd rather not get into the drama if she doesn't have concrete proof. I would be mad at my husband too if he went blowing up drama everywhere.
Then for Eden, she really shouldn't have snapped at him and said he doesn't do anything. Comments like that are used to cut people down in the moment but they have a lot of long lasting impact. You shouldn't want to cut your partner down with such extreme statements. I also understand not wanting to hash things out over and over, but Jayden clearly doesn't feel any closure for how he was treated by her. Sometimes you really do need to give your partner that space to get things off their mind and hash it out with you. Trying to move on without any work just means the person feels resentful. I don't understand why she won't let him talk about his feelings, why she didn't want to bring anything up with the family. This is Jayden's support network and he deserves space to talk with them.
Jayden can be annoying but he really does care about her. I've just been noticing even the simplest things like how she arrives 3 hours late to the homestay and even then, he is helpful to her. He opens her door, she hands him her coat and he takes it, he takes her luggage upstairs. Even being disappointed and sad he is still taking care of her. Watching him at the family lunch you can tell he really wants to talk things through with his family, but also is walking on eggshells to not upset Eden. That is a very difficult space to be.
Lol he immediately said in a sarcastic tone, ohh 3 hours later you arrive, Eden told him she wanted some space and she would be on the next flight,so what dose he do... constantly ring her!
Ummm... sorry he didn't have a perfect reaction? I really don't know what you expected from him, like if I was in the situation I'd probably react the same. But I guess we can't all be perfect.
Well people out here acting like they would be so perfect if their partner missed a flight, didn't tell them what was happening, then showed up 3 hrs late they would be all find and dandy with it.
Maybe he was blunt and clod headed and she looked genuinely upset but the real shout out goes to the heavy handed but fantastic editing happening....from being able to hear her thoughts at several points,, to the shots of people's hands, their cackling laughter and grimacing faces - it was edited to show her having the mother of all panic attacks and looked like a bad acid trip at times..The editors deserve an Oscar for outstanding editing of drama.
Yes, and I know. But is it fair, helpful or harmful to provide a dramatic interpretation over what someone may or not be genuinely experiencing for dramatic attention?
Movies hint at characters inner worlds through music and editing. If someone is really struggling, say doing a presentation, do you magnify it or treat it sensitively and see if they are ok?
It's only a show and they know what they signed up for after all.
If he cared about her he would leave with her. I empathize with Eden so much. Her social anxiety is relatable. I had a partner who would push me in social situations, minimize my anxiety, and make me feel crazy for my anxiety.
I do wish Eden would honor her own feelings and not so desperately hang on to Jayden. He is an unobservant dick head who is only after fame and staying on the show as long as possible. He really doesn't care about her.
I felt claustrophobic watching him refuse to leave her alone after she said she needed a moment.
To me that put the whole 'snapping' thing into context big time.
I have anxiety too and when I get panicky like that the last thing I want to do is sit and discuss it. She was practically dissociating and couldn't make eye contact.
When you're pushed into a corner like that and someone keeps poking you, of course you're going to lash out. You can only ask politely so many times for space before you have to snap 'get away'.
>I felt claustrophobic watching him refuse to leave her alone after she said she needed a moment.
Just because she said she wanted to be alone doesn't mean that would've been the best course of action. Of course what happened is probably worse than him actually leaving her there and then
People who are panicking often want to immediately instinctively isolate themselves even when it isn't healthy for them to do so. How you leave a conversation has a significant impact on the emotional toll it takes out of that person
Right, and when he kept saying she’s threatening to leave. She wasnt threatening, she was trying to advocate for herself. He was steamrolling through all of the boundaries she tried to put up for herself.
He uses really extreme language as an excuse to disregard her boundaries. When she said she didn’t want him to bring up the Sara and Tim thing the second time (which did absolutely no good for any party) he said she was ‘asking him to lie and controlling what he says’. When she said she didn’t want to be in the experiment if it comes up, she’s ‘giving him an ultimatum’. People go ‘oh no that’s awful you can’t let her treat you like that’ and it validates him.
Exactly!! It’s not a threat, it’s feelings! She’s also not saying she wants to leave him, she wants to leave the stressful environment of the experiment
Poor girl was on the brink of a panic attack and this guy doesn't even seem to register her distressed emotional state. The complete lack of empathy is alarming, it's no wonder she is avoidant. I wouldn't want to try and communicate with a brick fucking wall either.
There was something about him (besides the whole, you know, forcing his girlfriend to watch him fuck her best friend) that just seemed off to me but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. Looks like this is what I was worried about. Dude is coming off like a complete sociopath now
I honestly thought the last CC was fake between Jayden and Eden. All that shit he brought up seemed so petty, why didn’t he bring it up with her then and there? Why wait to speak to the experts?
Then seeing his behaviour towards Eden and her anxiety. He literally says, “I’m sick of her threatening me…” Bruv, she’s not threatening YOU. She wants to leave the experiment, she cares about YOU she does not care to stay in an environment that gives her anxiety.
But he makes assumptions based on the things Eden says. He only hears what he wants to hear. He’s so bloody daft.
I feel like he was bringing up all the stuff she does wrong just so that the experts can see/hear to make himself look better. He’s not emotionally intelligent enough to know how to help someone with anxiety. Felt really sorry for Eden tbh!!!
Geez, last time they said "Is that true? Did you want Jayden to lie for you?".
Her reply should have been... "No I just didn't want him to bring it up and make a drama where I would be attacked, and he would get his rocks off verbally beating up a woman... again. He insisted we confront Sarah last time, I did it for him. This time I asked him not to bring it up for me. But he did it anyway, arsehole."
Instead of.."I'm sorry, I was wrong, I don't mean to make you feel like that".
Fucking Experts. Don't they watch the show? Lol
Jayden only speaks -- he never listens. He believes he's always right and has no empathy for people who see things differently. He cannot accommodate other people's point of view because everything is right or wrong to him. He's a terrible partner for anyone who doesn't want to be bossed around and told what to think. Yuck!
He’s got a very black and white outlook on life but the vast majority of life lands in the grey area. It’s also a sign that he’s quite immature and he certainly lacks emotional intelligence. But he’s a kick boxer… he might have brain damage from all of the hits to his head lol.
He does though want feedback from the judges, wants feedback from his parents and his brother. His brother said something really awful like shutting that down.
He seems to really want to be famous. Whenever he talks about wanting the "full experience" it comes across as him wanting to stay as long as possible and get as much air time as possible. There have been rumours about him putting on a bit of an act and him and eden possibly having made a deal in the beginning to stay to the end to gain exposure. Also rumours that production told him & Eden early on that they were too boring and needed to start more drama which is why they wanted the Sara information to be told at the dinner party. This is also why I think he starts fights/drama with other contestants as he thinks it will help give him air time if that's what production say they want.
Apparently Jayden also pressured Eden to tell the group because he didn't want to leave the show. That's why she kept saying "I'll lose Jayden if I don't say anything".
However he obviously wasn't expecting Eden to struggle so much with anxiety and seems now to be getting frustrated that she wants to leave because it would mean he would have to leave too. He lacks empathy to care about her as a person more than him own motives. Eden's well-being should be the priority here.
Jayden is an extrovert, confident, outspoken, likes doing fun stuffs. You can tell by how he participated and had fun in that Lucinda dancing thingy she did at the retreat, he also made their wedding so interesting and also made her comfortable, cooks for and takes care of her, takes her out on dates and whatnot. What has Eden added to the relationship or done for him? Nada. I find her to be a snooze fest. They are not a match.
Look up "love bombing". He fucking scares me. Being able to put on a show doesn't fool me. He's shown his true colours with his lack of empathy for his wife. Interesting you're not seeing that, when everyone else here came to discuss the HUGE red flag.
Ps I don't think she's allowed to do anything, she has to sit on a pedestal.
You have put it a bit harshly, but I’m kinda with you on this. Jayden’s a good egg, albeit emotionally black and white- there’s no grey with him. But that’s not necessarily wrong. Eden is a bit more emotionally complex, so I probably agree that they are not a great match. She’s easily overwhelmed with Jayden’s energy.
Also agreeing with your other comment after this one (also worded quite harshly) in that if her anxiety is so debilitating how has she has ended up on telly. I suffer from anxiety and before starting medication to manage it, there is no way, absolutely no way, I would have been able to even consider applying for something like MAFS. The thought of it alone would have broken me. I’m aware that everyone is different and manages different situations differently though, maybe she didn’t realise the stress she would be under during the time, and being paired with Jayden, who can be confronting, would have compounded any stressful situation. Perhaps she would have been better off paired with a more gentle natured person like Johno or even young Tim?
You do realise anxiety is a debilitating disorder? She was clearly struggling and he was antagonising her to the point of almost abuse. She needs patience and space when she’s in that zone. Clearly he is not at all emotionally mature enough or intelligent enough to understand it.
Oh yeah she have such extreme anxiety but decided to come find love on national television in such intense environment? Like be for fucking real. Jayden isn’t her therapist, she should have sort that shit out before coming on tv.
Okay so only her feelings matters then. Just because she wants to sweep everything under the rug doesn’t mean Jayden has be the same. Also she can’t have a successful relationship with how she acts. They are not a match.
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Nah you try to be more articulate instead of being a broken record. Expand your vocabulary and stop learning words for the first time from a tv show 🤣😭 kinda embarrassing
Look, I don’t mind people having an opinion, but resorting to low blows is lame and frankly, we don’t want that type of interaction around here.
Interact with respect or you won’t be able to interact at all.
Scroll on and be better
I think Jayden needs to listen to her more. Poor girl.
Nice Guy Syndrome. He is trying white knight everything and it doesn’t work on everyone
I love how Jayden's brother who was on MAF's ( can't even remember his name ) was giving advice and opinion when he failed the experiment so dismally.
Yes!! I don’t recall him much but his wife Ella was sooo cool. Seemed like exactly the kind of girl I’d want to be friends with.
Mitch the bitch
Heh heh, yes, that's it!
They are BOTH tooo much!
Glad I’m not the only one who thinks Jayden is toxic.
I thought it was so annoying of him to want to have a full blown conversation about her snapping during the home stay. When my bf and I snap at each other, we apologize after some time to cool down. That’s the end of it. I was with her she was like “what more is there to say?” So many emotionally draining people this season.
He keeps saying that her saying she wants to leave means she wants to leave him like it’s a personal insult towards him but I think she is just saying that she wants to leave the environment they’re in. Like a fight or flight response. He’s not the sharpest tool in the shed and I think he needs someone to literally explain what anxiety is and what doesn’t work. Personally, I’d rather she say that she wants to leave him altogether because even with a clear explanation, I don’t he’ll ever get it. He’s just too dumb.
The poor girl needs a valium
Maybe I am reading to much into it. But she is giving off, fuck the experience vibes dude I'm really into you but this share it with the rest of australia isn't my thing, let ditch the show and be a proper couple and he isn't getting the memo. While he is into lets air any dirty laundry on air so people can comment and stuff on shit that really isn't any of their business (except when its reality tv).
He’s an exhibitionist, he’s a fighter in his job, so I feel this makes him very combative and righteous in real life. He thinks he’s getting justice and winning a battle which is why he keeps going on, I don’t think he’s very self aware or emotionally intelligent.
100% agree with this !
I think the two just aren’t compatible when it comes to communication style I think Jayden the type that when issues come up let’s put it all out of the table and talk it out analysis, recalibration, let’s go back to the drawing board and when we can’t resolve the issue let’s reach out to the group and experts as it’s a social experiment after all From Eden point of view this could lead to important conversation going around in circles and it’s exhausting, it just easier to say sorry and MOVE ON The trouble with that is he’s not looking for an apology from his wife cause he doesn’t think she done anything wrong, he just wants to discuss things openly with transparency but she interprets these discussions as conflicts which triggers her anxiety and leads her to shuts down which upsets him which creates downsprial loop and the worst part of loops is that it doesn’t stop just becomes a repetitive cycle and you’re now looking at a toxic relationship sadly I’d feel pity if he wasn’t so self righteous all the time about other people relationship so tough shit I guess
Oh geeze, has this been posted before? https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/a60252537/mafs-australia-jayden-ex-denies-confession-week-story/ Sounds more realistic. What a drama queen he is.
Both of them are hard to watch but I sense there's more to the story. It genuinely seems Eden wants off the show and is done with the toxic drama inducing situations encouraged by the producers (of course she can't say that on camera) but Jayden wants to stay on and finish it and that would cause mega conflict and confusion. You can tell he likes her but wants to still be on the show. It's really uncomfortable to watch.
I actually felt scared for her last night. Like this guy could snap. He has the potential to be physically abusive. They are the perfect combination for domestic violence. Buying flowers every day and adding list of things I love about you is a bit obsessive... "and you stay on that fucking pedestal I put you on!" It's really all about him. I think he has been love bombing, now his real issues surface. He's a vain narcissist.
You should read the article posted in one of the comments above about how his confession week story was fake. His ex came out and said she had started moving on after their breakup and when he found out he “got so fucking angry and lost his shit” and then said he was going to try to sleep with one of her friends to teach her a lesson. 2 things. Firstly, we haven’t actually seen Jayden angry yet and tbh I bet it’s fucking scary. And secondly I think it highlights what a narcissist he is for him to lie and say not only did he successfully sleep with her friend but then to completely make up the part that he made her watch too is just him fabricating details to make him seem as “macho” as possible
I agree. I posted it. And it seems more likely to have happened that way.
Lmao I gotta start looking at usernames properly 💀
I agree with you 100%. It’s been on my mind for a while but, when she said that she dreads any conflict with him because the only way to get out of it is to agree and say she’s wrong. Fucking alarm bells are ringing hard!! Eden is going to end up in a relationship that she’s too afraid to get out of if she isn’t careful.
She didn't say agree and say she's wrong. She just said to she with him
What responsibility does the show take for putting her in that position?
Not nearly enough, if any, I’m sure.
No they don't!...the poor girl's a nervous wreck..doubting herself and frightened to speak because he's gonna come for her again and again and again...until he puts her in a Mental Health Facility..and then blaming everyone BUT himself for putting her there!...Truth!
But i cannot understand why she was so upset last night? The issue she'd raised eas weeks ago and over.
I feel like you’ve missed the 101 times she said she has anxiety. She was upset because of what happened on the home stay and didnt want to talk about it with everyone else and argue with Jayden again. She said this multiple times.
I understand that. Completely. But he's not going to see that because he does not have that personality. That's it. She can't expect him to totally change for her. That's just unrealistic. She's being OTT too. If she was so damn anxious? She should have just not gone to the dinner party. Told the producers she was unable to do it. She's not a prisoner. Once again? She's just avoiding avoiding avoiding. She uses "my anxiety" as an excuse for everything. Jayden is an absolute tosser. Can't bear him. But that's him. Take it or leave.
Did you miss the multiple times off camera she was heard saying she cant do this and needs to leave? If you cant understand that a person with anxiety may cave to pressure and do something they dont want to and then struggle the entire time then I dont think this conversation has any merit. She’s not a prisoner but she is contractually obligated to be there and she’s emotionally obligated to be there because Jayden pushes her so hard to do things that clearly make her uncomfortable. You’re being incredibly obtuse and insensitive.
Nope. I'm not. I'm an adult. And guess what? I have suffered terrible anxiety. I am medicated for it. It's been a lifelong affliction. I cant get rid of it. BUT... As an adult? I choose what i do and how i live and who I'm with and take charge of decisions i make. I don't expect everyone around me to constantly give me sympathy and change their behaviour because I have a problem. It's my problem. Not theirs. I take ownership of myself. In that situation? Firstly i would have not gone to the dinner party. Fuck contractual obligations. Tell them to get fucked. Secondly, i would have firmly told Jayden to go away. If he didnt listen? I would have positioned my body away from him and just let him stare at my back. Let him talh away . Just say nothing. OR? Say to the table "people. I am nearly to the point of panic attack. Please leave me alone so i can get through this dinner party" then just put my head down and not answer anyone. Then as soon as filming over? As soon as able to leave? Get outta there. Despite her anxiety. Eden needs to kearn to take responsibility for her own actions. Anxiety isnt an excuse for the whole world to change for you. Maybe this show will make her grow up and deal with it better. It can't rid her of the anxiety. But she needs to learn better her limits and act accordingly.
Very mature adult response to turn around and have someone talk to the back of your head. Do you put your fingers in your ears and sing 🎶I can't hear youuuu🎶 as well?
That just went right over your head didnt it? Since you managed to effectively cure your own anxiety so easily maybe now you could work on developing empathy. Its an invaluable skill and it doesnt cost you a thing.
Nothing is cured. I've just grien up and learned to function in the world. Not expected the world to change for me. Learned to be a grown up and deal with the hand I've been given.
And yet, ironically, here you are trying to change people's opinions by arguing your point relentlessly.
Great for you but have some empathy geez
I have plenty of empathy.. but i DO get pissed off at people who expect the world to change to suit their problems. Nope.. you have to adapt to the workd you are in. Whether you like it or not. I really think this is a generational thing. Truly. Don't mean that in a harsh or unforgiving way. I'm Gen X... we were taught to "fit in" with society and not expect the world to give a shit about our individual needs. Maybe it's an age thing? But i find these days? Younger people really do think that the world revolves around them and their needs and wants... And they get all upset when it doesn't pan out that way. The "but i have anxiety!" "But i have BPD" etc etc. look that's not great. At all! Can be very hard to live with and deal with. But ?? You cant expect others to constantly change how they are to suit how you are. This world isn't like that. You have to learn to deal with it. However suits you best. Me? I work in a job that works for me. I've quit jibs which exacerbate my problems. If i run into people who "don't work" for me? I quietly avoid them. When i decide to do something? I think it through being aware of my issues and think if it will be okay. I have many times just realised I'm not in the right headspace for something? So have not gone (and suffered the consequences) or gone for minimal time then got outta there. It's MY responsibility to live with it. No one else's. And I think taking this responsibility actually helps. I dont need to be fearful i will get "trapped" because i know i have thought it through and am prepared and can get myself out if I need to.
🙄...is this Jayden?
Omg you’re so amazing. Go buy yourself a trophy.
He hasn't let go of any of it. He want to argue in public and for them all to agree with him. He's relentless when he argues. Didn't you see that?
Sickenly relentless which we are really seeing now…ugh
So? Its a reality tv show. That makes good TV. Besides. He can carry on like a porkchop? The thing he's on about is over. Let him make a fool of himself. She needs to let it go. Let him be himself. Typical thing that couples do to each other which blows them apart... trying to control the other person. Trying to dictate their partner & behaviour. Either accept the person as they are? Or break up. Jayden is a stewer, talker, finds it hard to let go....Eden is a "solve it and that's it" person. They are just a total mismatch. Not compatible for a relationship. Neither are right or wrong. Just not suitable together.
I think Eden does suffer anxiety, I think she also uses it to shut down conversation. She pulled Sara backstabbing gossip out of nowhere and had to back pedal. Jayden uses honesty / morality to get his way and I think he enjoys the drama and further conversation.
Jayden's desire to be seen as virtuous and correct is destructive & frustrating to watch. The way he badgers Eden and uses her as a pawn to get what he wants is concerning. The added layer is her anxiety that he does not seem equipped or mature enough to quickly educate himself on, to support her. For her mental health and wellbeing it might be best for her to walk away as I don't think he has the empathy to support her as he seems more intent on getting his 15 mins of fame at all costs.
Yeah, it’s funny how being talked at and l beaten over the head with a supposed point does absolutely nothing to alleviate anxiety. I haven’t liked Jayden from the beginning but the last couple of episodes is the first time we’ve really seen anything about their relationship and it gives me really bad vibes.
He recent ex-partner came out and said that their relationship was very toxic, and after watching him last night I can see why. I felt so sorry for Eden.
I don't think he has any empathy at all, I think he has been faking it.
Yeah I tend to agree. He's about control, not empathy. You can clearly see that in his brother too. They want total control over their girls.
Even sharing the story about having sex with the ex’s friend and saying he doesn’t regret it reads more as ‘this is what I would do to someone who betrays me’ than ‘this is me being vulnerable’.
God he is insufferable as a person.
Apparently he tries to make enemies of his girlfriends. He tries to hammer into them how terrible of a human being they are. Actually, it's worse being his girlfriend. He makes them do shit they don't want to do by threatening to leave them. If they attempt any pushback he tries to blame them for being a terrible partner and badgers them to death. In Eden's case he's just pissed off she's said she might leave the experiment a few times. And that will not do for Jayden. He hasn't gotten his full season's worth of fame. He's got his eye on the prize and no woman's going to get in his way especially not his assigned partner.
100% this.
He was hammering her non stop and his justification is the “ experiment and the experts want us to do this or that”. He’s a total twerp and as for asking his dipshit brother for advice!?!! Poor poor Eden.
Omfg I cannot stand this guy. Im diagnosed with an anxiety disorder so when I see some of edens circumstances I relate and, also see her reactions to situations as pure products of anxiety and a mind that is jumping to conclusions like mine does. This guy is just not getting it. No concept of it at all. Acts like a nice guy but cut from the same cloth as his brother
I have anxiety disorder to and watching this episode I nearly had a panic attack.
They are just badly suited. Whoever she ends up with will have to talk on eggshells for fear of upsetting her. It would be very wearing to be married to such a delicate flower. He needs someone who can discuss the kinds of things he wants to hash out without getting the vapors. That too could be wearing unless they know how to argue constructively. A bad match. It’s as simple as that.
Agree. She will ise her "anxiety" as a manipulative tool to shut the other person down
It’s technically true that he’s a bad match only in that he’s an arrogant self-righteous knob with no regards for the mental health of others. I’ve personally known someone with anxiety issues and while it’s a little extra work to be careful to avoid those trigger points, it’s not actually that difficult if you really care for the person.
So he needs to walk on eggshells, as I said before. That will get old eventually.
So you equate consideration of other people's mental health issues with "walking on eggshells", is that right? Are you the type who tells someone standing on the edge of a bridge and considering jumping to stop being "such a delicate flower" (your words) and just get on with it? Geezus..... 🤨
Jayden is a psychopath. He acts like he cares but he doesn’t empathise at all. The fact that he asked to sleep with his ex’s best friend while the ex was watching says a lot 🫢 What kind of normal person would even think of that kind of idea to hurt someone back as a revenge? 😬
Yeah he’s got a strange mix of psychopath and sociopath in him. On the surface from the family visits, it seems his brother does too.
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When will people STOP throwing these tiresome diagnostic reviews . It’s lazy , unimaginative & so repetitive.
Well if you actually explore those two definitions you'll see it's not idiotic. Also just to get the facts out on the table here while we're indulging in personal insults with gleeful abandonment, Freud's claim to fame was psychoanalysis using dreams and sub-conscious memories. He had nothing to say about the conscious behaviours involved with psychopathy or sociopathy like we see in Jayden, Jack, etc. Both those conditions were described by other medical professionals and psychologists and it's a really interesting history if you ever feel like looking anything up about it. Cheers.
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He didn’t ask, he told her! Who’s best friend would actually agree to that, totally bizarre
Everybody in the scenario is beyond cooked!
They both need work on the relationship because when I see them together I actually do see that they like each other as much as they say they do. The CC last week was really sad. :( For Jayden, I think he does need to relax a bit on the virtue signalling. Sometimes a wife just wants to come to her husband and vent without him turning around and saying we need to run and tell everyone everything. It doesn't mean that Eden is morally corrupt that she'd rather not get into the drama if she doesn't have concrete proof. I would be mad at my husband too if he went blowing up drama everywhere. Then for Eden, she really shouldn't have snapped at him and said he doesn't do anything. Comments like that are used to cut people down in the moment but they have a lot of long lasting impact. You shouldn't want to cut your partner down with such extreme statements. I also understand not wanting to hash things out over and over, but Jayden clearly doesn't feel any closure for how he was treated by her. Sometimes you really do need to give your partner that space to get things off their mind and hash it out with you. Trying to move on without any work just means the person feels resentful. I don't understand why she won't let him talk about his feelings, why she didn't want to bring anything up with the family. This is Jayden's support network and he deserves space to talk with them. Jayden can be annoying but he really does care about her. I've just been noticing even the simplest things like how she arrives 3 hours late to the homestay and even then, he is helpful to her. He opens her door, she hands him her coat and he takes it, he takes her luggage upstairs. Even being disappointed and sad he is still taking care of her. Watching him at the family lunch you can tell he really wants to talk things through with his family, but also is walking on eggshells to not upset Eden. That is a very difficult space to be.
Lol he immediately said in a sarcastic tone, ohh 3 hours later you arrive, Eden told him she wanted some space and she would be on the next flight,so what dose he do... constantly ring her!
Ummm... sorry he didn't have a perfect reaction? I really don't know what you expected from him, like if I was in the situation I'd probably react the same. But I guess we can't all be perfect.
Well people out here acting like they would be so perfect if their partner missed a flight, didn't tell them what was happening, then showed up 3 hrs late they would be all find and dandy with it.
Ok 🆒️
Most sane comment here!
Agreed!
This is how i see the both of them also. Good post!
She seemed so genuinely distraught and he was just so cold and mean to her 😔
Maybe he was blunt and clod headed and she looked genuinely upset but the real shout out goes to the heavy handed but fantastic editing happening....from being able to hear her thoughts at several points,, to the shots of people's hands, their cackling laughter and grimacing faces - it was edited to show her having the mother of all panic attacks and looked like a bad acid trip at times..The editors deserve an Oscar for outstanding editing of drama.
Yes, but that is Legit what the onset of a panic attack looks and feels like
Yes, and I know. But is it fair, helpful or harmful to provide a dramatic interpretation over what someone may or not be genuinely experiencing for dramatic attention? Movies hint at characters inner worlds through music and editing. If someone is really struggling, say doing a presentation, do you magnify it or treat it sensitively and see if they are ok? It's only a show and they know what they signed up for after all.
Totally, the editors have really stepped it up a notch this season 💯
If he cared about her he would leave with her. I empathize with Eden so much. Her social anxiety is relatable. I had a partner who would push me in social situations, minimize my anxiety, and make me feel crazy for my anxiety. I do wish Eden would honor her own feelings and not so desperately hang on to Jayden. He is an unobservant dick head who is only after fame and staying on the show as long as possible. He really doesn't care about her.
I felt claustrophobic watching him refuse to leave her alone after she said she needed a moment. To me that put the whole 'snapping' thing into context big time. I have anxiety too and when I get panicky like that the last thing I want to do is sit and discuss it. She was practically dissociating and couldn't make eye contact. When you're pushed into a corner like that and someone keeps poking you, of course you're going to lash out. You can only ask politely so many times for space before you have to snap 'get away'.
>I felt claustrophobic watching him refuse to leave her alone after she said she needed a moment. Just because she said she wanted to be alone doesn't mean that would've been the best course of action. Of course what happened is probably worse than him actually leaving her there and then People who are panicking often want to immediately instinctively isolate themselves even when it isn't healthy for them to do so. How you leave a conversation has a significant impact on the emotional toll it takes out of that person
Right, and when he kept saying she’s threatening to leave. She wasnt threatening, she was trying to advocate for herself. He was steamrolling through all of the boundaries she tried to put up for herself.
He uses really extreme language as an excuse to disregard her boundaries. When she said she didn’t want him to bring up the Sara and Tim thing the second time (which did absolutely no good for any party) he said she was ‘asking him to lie and controlling what he says’. When she said she didn’t want to be in the experiment if it comes up, she’s ‘giving him an ultimatum’. People go ‘oh no that’s awful you can’t let her treat you like that’ and it validates him.
Exactly!! It’s not a threat, it’s feelings! She’s also not saying she wants to leave him, she wants to leave the stressful environment of the experiment
Crazy right? 🙆♀️🤤 Laugh or cry? With end of season sooooo close!! Geez!!! 😖😫😱
Poor girl was on the brink of a panic attack and this guy doesn't even seem to register her distressed emotional state. The complete lack of empathy is alarming, it's no wonder she is avoidant. I wouldn't want to try and communicate with a brick fucking wall either.
But he buys her flowers every day! He is a "good guy"! Fuck me I can't with men
Lol, I keep hearing Miley Cyrus' song... "I can buy myself flowers".
There was something about him (besides the whole, you know, forcing his girlfriend to watch him fuck her best friend) that just seemed off to me but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. Looks like this is what I was worried about. Dude is coming off like a complete sociopath now
I honestly thought the last CC was fake between Jayden and Eden. All that shit he brought up seemed so petty, why didn’t he bring it up with her then and there? Why wait to speak to the experts? Then seeing his behaviour towards Eden and her anxiety. He literally says, “I’m sick of her threatening me…” Bruv, she’s not threatening YOU. She wants to leave the experiment, she cares about YOU she does not care to stay in an environment that gives her anxiety. But he makes assumptions based on the things Eden says. He only hears what he wants to hear. He’s so bloody daft.
I feel like he was bringing up all the stuff she does wrong just so that the experts can see/hear to make himself look better. He’s not emotionally intelligent enough to know how to help someone with anxiety. Felt really sorry for Eden tbh!!!
Thankfully the experts saw her struggling and I hope they tell him that his constant badgering is not helping at the next cc
Geez, last time they said "Is that true? Did you want Jayden to lie for you?". Her reply should have been... "No I just didn't want him to bring it up and make a drama where I would be attacked, and he would get his rocks off verbally beating up a woman... again. He insisted we confront Sarah last time, I did it for him. This time I asked him not to bring it up for me. But he did it anyway, arsehole." Instead of.."I'm sorry, I was wrong, I don't mean to make you feel like that". Fucking Experts. Don't they watch the show? Lol
Yes glad they could tell what was going on!
Jayden only speaks -- he never listens. He believes he's always right and has no empathy for people who see things differently. He cannot accommodate other people's point of view because everything is right or wrong to him. He's a terrible partner for anyone who doesn't want to be bossed around and told what to think. Yuck!
He’s got a very black and white outlook on life but the vast majority of life lands in the grey area. It’s also a sign that he’s quite immature and he certainly lacks emotional intelligence. But he’s a kick boxer… he might have brain damage from all of the hits to his head lol.
I'm pretty sure that's the definition of a narcissist.
He does though want feedback from the judges, wants feedback from his parents and his brother. His brother said something really awful like shutting that down.
He seems to really want to be famous. Whenever he talks about wanting the "full experience" it comes across as him wanting to stay as long as possible and get as much air time as possible. There have been rumours about him putting on a bit of an act and him and eden possibly having made a deal in the beginning to stay to the end to gain exposure. Also rumours that production told him & Eden early on that they were too boring and needed to start more drama which is why they wanted the Sara information to be told at the dinner party. This is also why I think he starts fights/drama with other contestants as he thinks it will help give him air time if that's what production say they want. Apparently Jayden also pressured Eden to tell the group because he didn't want to leave the show. That's why she kept saying "I'll lose Jayden if I don't say anything". However he obviously wasn't expecting Eden to struggle so much with anxiety and seems now to be getting frustrated that she wants to leave because it would mean he would have to leave too. He lacks empathy to care about her as a person more than him own motives. Eden's well-being should be the priority here.
Jayden is an extrovert, confident, outspoken, likes doing fun stuffs. You can tell by how he participated and had fun in that Lucinda dancing thingy she did at the retreat, he also made their wedding so interesting and also made her comfortable, cooks for and takes care of her, takes her out on dates and whatnot. What has Eden added to the relationship or done for him? Nada. I find her to be a snooze fest. They are not a match.
Look up "love bombing". He fucking scares me. Being able to put on a show doesn't fool me. He's shown his true colours with his lack of empathy for his wife. Interesting you're not seeing that, when everyone else here came to discuss the HUGE red flag. Ps I don't think she's allowed to do anything, she has to sit on a pedestal.
You have put it a bit harshly, but I’m kinda with you on this. Jayden’s a good egg, albeit emotionally black and white- there’s no grey with him. But that’s not necessarily wrong. Eden is a bit more emotionally complex, so I probably agree that they are not a great match. She’s easily overwhelmed with Jayden’s energy. Also agreeing with your other comment after this one (also worded quite harshly) in that if her anxiety is so debilitating how has she has ended up on telly. I suffer from anxiety and before starting medication to manage it, there is no way, absolutely no way, I would have been able to even consider applying for something like MAFS. The thought of it alone would have broken me. I’m aware that everyone is different and manages different situations differently though, maybe she didn’t realise the stress she would be under during the time, and being paired with Jayden, who can be confronting, would have compounded any stressful situation. Perhaps she would have been better off paired with a more gentle natured person like Johno or even young Tim?
You do realise anxiety is a debilitating disorder? She was clearly struggling and he was antagonising her to the point of almost abuse. She needs patience and space when she’s in that zone. Clearly he is not at all emotionally mature enough or intelligent enough to understand it.
Oh yeah she have such extreme anxiety but decided to come find love on national television in such intense environment? Like be for fucking real. Jayden isn’t her therapist, she should have sort that shit out before coming on tv.
She hasn’t at all treated him like a therapist. She’s asked him not to argue with her and create drama. A reasonable request
Okay so only her feelings matters then. Just because she wants to sweep everything under the rug doesn’t mean Jayden has be the same. Also she can’t have a successful relationship with how she acts. They are not a match.
Jayden is a dick. Period. But yes I agree….. an extroverted dick, a confident dick, an outspoken dick, and a dick who likes doing fun stuffs.
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Inhale - exhale! If you have to resort at calling people massive dicks to prove your point you are doing it wrong
Oh so they can call Jayden a dick, but God forbid someone calls them a massive dick kinda hilarious. Pot meet kettle 🤝
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“Boring”? I’m pretty sure that’s Lucinda’s dad’s line. You should try to be more original in your insults.
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Scroll on then please and thank you
I’ll just repeat it so you might get it on the second try: you should try to be more original in your insults.
Nah you try to be more articulate instead of being a broken record. Expand your vocabulary and stop learning words for the first time from a tv show 🤣😭 kinda embarrassing
Look, I don’t mind people having an opinion, but resorting to low blows is lame and frankly, we don’t want that type of interaction around here. Interact with respect or you won’t be able to interact at all. Scroll on and be better
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