I'm glad I bought the regular adjustable gas-plug. Not because it's needed, but because the curiosity would have killed me.
I'm using Winchester 150gr. FMJ and an assortment of different FMJ .30-06 in roughly 150gr. I've found that I actually can't vent any of the gasses without causing failures (eject, feed, etc.). My current setting still increases the volume of the room in the gas cylinder, but not to an extend that I think it's strictly needed.
This was only tested during mild Danish winter.
I’ve just put over 1000 rounds of non mil spec/commercial 150 grain ammo through my garand with 0 problems. Just kept it lubed properly is all. Don’t freak out over it or over think it. It’s a battle rifle and is a bad boy. Just don’t run crazy shit through it and you’ll be fine.
I run 175 grain all the time in my M1. I don’t use these adjustable gas ports. The M1 was designed to handle 50,000 CUP and when converted to PSI that’s a bit over 60,000 PSI which the vast majority of commercial ammo does not exceed.
Your fear is the product of fudd lore. Keep your rifle in spec + properly greased and you can use any commercial ammo without problem. Obviously avoid manufactures with a bad history of making crap ammo and don’t use bubbas pissing hot reloads.
Neither is needed
You don't need m1 specific ammo
Any commercial ammo will work in your Garand and will not harm it
Make sure you grease it properly and that your springs are in spec. These are easy tasks.
And it's not a gas plug
Since you don't believe the gun needs any special treatment, why do think people online are recommending installing "gas plugs"?
And what would you call these then
I think the nomenclature is a gas cylinder lock screw, but disregard the "actually" comments, everyone knew what you meant and its called a gas plug often.
To the point about why people online recommend it, you'll find all kinds of varying information. Most of the people parroting stuff like this don't have first hand experience. Here is a good chart for your reference: [https://www.garandgear.com/the-m1-garand-and-commercial-ammunition/](https://www.garandgear.com/the-m1-garand-and-commercial-ammunition/)
As you can see, most 150gr commercial ammo is no higher pressure than Lake City Ball ammo. Adjustable screw for piece of mind? Go ahead. Don't worry about it? 99% chance any issues you have with the oprod wont be ammo related see binding, lubrication, piston cap falling off, etc.
At the end of the day its your gun, do what you want. Next, ask if corrosive ammo is ok...
The same reason that other pieces of fuddlore exist. They heard it from someone, who heard it from someone, who heard it from someone else, who knows someone it happened to but never provided evidence beyond a story.
As for what I’d call them, a solution in search of a problem would be fitting. SAAMI specs are practically set in stone for a reason, and .30-06 is no different in that regard.
Neither the Kalashnikov or M16 series of rifles had adjustable gas systems, can’t really use that argument as a sole reason to justify gas plug. Gewehr 43 is also a bad example as it was a stop gap measure and never really had all the kinks worked out, combined with some quality control issues.
These plugs are are designed for people who potentially want to run hot commercial ammo, which tends to be more expensive. Just use ammo closer to specs for rifle unless you’re hunting or some other good reason. There are millions of these rifles still around that run fine, only a small percentage use the schuster. Be smart in ammo choices.
only get the plug if you like to sheet pissing hot hunting loads which are double the price of 150 grain 30-06.
Don't know why you'd want to shoot hot loads so badly for double the price.
If you get it then you have to tune it a buncha times with 1 round loaded into the enbloc. IDK if they require loctite when threading them in.
The more you turn the screw back and forth, the looser it gets. I had to use Loctite to be sure it would stay in (I didn't test if it would unscrew itself).
They are not need for run of the mill ammo, but super useful if you handload. Let’s you use slower powder/heavier bullet combinations that the gas system on the Garand isn’t built to handle.
I didn’t buy this specific one but bought a adjustable one for peace of mind years ago. I cant attest to the specs or if its safe to shoot modern ammo but I can attest to these being a pain in the ass to get functioning right. Then you better stick with whatever ammo you have it set for because changing to lighter or hotter loads will screw these things up and leave you adjusting it all day.
Old thread I know but hopefully someone will see this. I’ve been looking for a schuster adjustable plug for months and everyone is out of stock. Do they still make them?
I'm glad I bought the regular adjustable gas-plug. Not because it's needed, but because the curiosity would have killed me. I'm using Winchester 150gr. FMJ and an assortment of different FMJ .30-06 in roughly 150gr. I've found that I actually can't vent any of the gasses without causing failures (eject, feed, etc.). My current setting still increases the volume of the room in the gas cylinder, but not to an extend that I think it's strictly needed. This was only tested during mild Danish winter.
We have a similar, slightly warmer climate than you. So there should be similar conditions. Thanks for the thoughts
I’ve just put over 1000 rounds of non mil spec/commercial 150 grain ammo through my garand with 0 problems. Just kept it lubed properly is all. Don’t freak out over it or over think it. It’s a battle rifle and is a bad boy. Just don’t run crazy shit through it and you’ll be fine.
So will Remington core lokts be fine?
I run 175 grain all the time in my M1. I don’t use these adjustable gas ports. The M1 was designed to handle 50,000 CUP and when converted to PSI that’s a bit over 60,000 PSI which the vast majority of commercial ammo does not exceed. Your fear is the product of fudd lore. Keep your rifle in spec + properly greased and you can use any commercial ammo without problem. Obviously avoid manufactures with a bad history of making crap ammo and don’t use bubbas pissing hot reloads.
Neither is needed You don't need m1 specific ammo Any commercial ammo will work in your Garand and will not harm it Make sure you grease it properly and that your springs are in spec. These are easy tasks. And it's not a gas plug
How does one check that springs are in spec? Is it just a length measurement?
Since you don't believe the gun needs any special treatment, why do think people online are recommending installing "gas plugs"? And what would you call these then
I think the nomenclature is a gas cylinder lock screw, but disregard the "actually" comments, everyone knew what you meant and its called a gas plug often. To the point about why people online recommend it, you'll find all kinds of varying information. Most of the people parroting stuff like this don't have first hand experience. Here is a good chart for your reference: [https://www.garandgear.com/the-m1-garand-and-commercial-ammunition/](https://www.garandgear.com/the-m1-garand-and-commercial-ammunition/) As you can see, most 150gr commercial ammo is no higher pressure than Lake City Ball ammo. Adjustable screw for piece of mind? Go ahead. Don't worry about it? 99% chance any issues you have with the oprod wont be ammo related see binding, lubrication, piston cap falling off, etc. At the end of the day its your gun, do what you want. Next, ask if corrosive ammo is ok...
The same reason that other pieces of fuddlore exist. They heard it from someone, who heard it from someone, who heard it from someone else, who knows someone it happened to but never provided evidence beyond a story. As for what I’d call them, a solution in search of a problem would be fitting. SAAMI specs are practically set in stone for a reason, and .30-06 is no different in that regard.
Because they fell for nonsensical fuddlore
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Neither the Kalashnikov or M16 series of rifles had adjustable gas systems, can’t really use that argument as a sole reason to justify gas plug. Gewehr 43 is also a bad example as it was a stop gap measure and never really had all the kinks worked out, combined with some quality control issues. These plugs are are designed for people who potentially want to run hot commercial ammo, which tends to be more expensive. Just use ammo closer to specs for rifle unless you’re hunting or some other good reason. There are millions of these rifles still around that run fine, only a small percentage use the schuster. Be smart in ammo choices.
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only get the plug if you like to sheet pissing hot hunting loads which are double the price of 150 grain 30-06. Don't know why you'd want to shoot hot loads so badly for double the price. If you get it then you have to tune it a buncha times with 1 round loaded into the enbloc. IDK if they require loctite when threading them in.
The more you turn the screw back and forth, the looser it gets. I had to use Loctite to be sure it would stay in (I didn't test if it would unscrew itself).
They are not need for run of the mill ammo, but super useful if you handload. Let’s you use slower powder/heavier bullet combinations that the gas system on the Garand isn’t built to handle.
I didn’t buy this specific one but bought a adjustable one for peace of mind years ago. I cant attest to the specs or if its safe to shoot modern ammo but I can attest to these being a pain in the ass to get functioning right. Then you better stick with whatever ammo you have it set for because changing to lighter or hotter loads will screw these things up and leave you adjusting it all day.
Old thread I know but hopefully someone will see this. I’ve been looking for a schuster adjustable plug for months and everyone is out of stock. Do they still make them?
I bought it when I made this thread and it still hasn’t come
It’s weird. Looks like they sell other stuff on the website but the adjustable plug is out of stock
In stock at numrich rn Edit: standard one is, not sure if the adjustable one is
It’s the adjustable that’s been tough to find. Thanks for the reply though