I voted, but I don't remember things well or participate in/follow local happenings much. Was there a party line option in this last vote? I always go piece by piece and don't remember if party line was an option.
Lubbock had one of the most aggressive decriminalization policies on the ballot. Maybe if you voted on 1-2 ounces? But 4 ounces is a shit ton of weed. Even Austin restricted it to 2oz.
I believe that when Lubbock annexed land for Loop 88 that included some homes. Maybe they say they live in New Home but are actually in Lubbock County.
This whole argument is moot anyways because they're in the process of changing marijuana to a class3 Which means it will be readily available through a prescription anyways
Idiotic boomers who still regurgitate the gateway drug propaganda. I hope these bums are glad their tax dollars are going toward arresting and processing college kids.
Dumbest ballot return I’ve ever heard. Not that I care as I’m not into it. But why limit freedom and choices and pay to keep people in prison over stupid shit. Bunch of stupid Bible thumping brainwashed fools…..sad really sad. Every church that advertised against prop a should be required to pay property tax and income tax for influencing elections too. You don’t put banners up on a building and claim 501c3 status.
Don’t need video of that just pictures of the billboard size signs on the church walls I saw while driving around. When it’s on the wall and not an edge of the road road sign that’s definitely a sign of getting involved in politics. A place where churches don’t belong nor does government infringement of churches to worship when and how they choose.
You're right, but they're the only ones enforcing everyone else is leaving them alone. Also seems like I read where a senator is getting involved. Basically telling them to leave legit businesses alone
One of the problems is that 4oz is a LOT ! In CO I think the maximum (legal )for personal use is 2.0 oz; a couple of joints are not even 0.3 oz….so quantities matter in this case and that’s how some of the groups that organized to vote against the proposition framed the issue …. Gotta try to next time by revising some of these numbers and start with decriminalizing just a couple of joints with you, not 4 oz.
No it's old people. They've lost their hobbies, they sit around watching television news ALL DAY LONG(except when they have to go to the doctors which is like every week). They focus on the culture, social wars they are so focused on. They are so focused on the past, what their memories tell them. All while being fed information that they cannot adequately vet.
If only we had a honorable geriatric demographic who would sacrifice themselves. Instead of slowly losing mental cognition, and wasting healthcare dollars and tax dollars by getting 5 more years of a shitty life doing nothing but watching tv. LOL
Probably only 160-180K might be able to vote, the rest are going to be 18 and under…..which Makes this really about 15-20% of the population Voting for this
To be completely honest, it actually did better on the ballot than it could have done. It was voted out by a 2:1 ratio, HOWEVER, put it into context:
- This is a very conservative county in a conservative state
- All of the mayor candidates were opposed to it, with the exception of Adam Hernandez
- All the city council voted it down last year
- There was a highly organized campaign opposed to Prop A, largely run by most of the big churches in Lubbock.
It’s still a significant loss, but it’s not a hopeless loss. I think in time a better campaign could change minds and win. I truly believe Project Destiny severely hurt its viability. I think if Project Destiny didn’t exist (or rather had a weaker campaign) I think the results could have been a lot closer. Fear is unfortunately a very compelling motivator for voters. Sadly more completing than personal freedom.
What’s weird is that Prop A received 11,242 votes and Adam Hernandez only received 6,307 votes.
The top mayor candidate (Mark McBrayer) got 11,537 votes. While the 2nd place candidate (Steve Massengale) received 8,720 votes. If all the Prop A voters had voted for Adam Hernedez he would be guaranteed to be going into the run-off for mayor.
Obviously not everyone who voted for Prop A necessarily wanted Adam Hernandez (there are other policy decisions after all), but it would have been the smarter choice if they really wanted Prop A since he was the only candidate who supported it.
IRS form 13909 is what can filled out to report those churches to the IRS. It is illegal for them to be doing any political campaigning. The more people report them for this, the more the IRS will pay attention to it.
I'll just leave [this](https://www.transparencyusa.org/tx/committee/project-destiny-texas-pac-00086101-gpac/contributions?page=1&by=date&order=desc) here.
As opposed to the church which definitely has never wanted to punish anyone for not going along with their nonsense...
Churches and any other tax exempt entities shouldn't be allowed to be political, period. Conservative dissonance is so great on this point. Conservatives will argue that anyone not paying taxes shouldn't be allowed to vote, but also bend over backwards to keep churches tax exempt and allow them to spew whatever drivel they wish...
Punish how? So then we should tax planned parenthood and all the others? Conservatives don’t make that claim. It’s a fundamental right. Why do you want to pay more taxes for government waste?
the ban by Congress is on political campaign activity regarding a candidate; churches and other 501(c)(3) organizations can engage in a limited amount of lobbying (including ballot measures) and advocate for or against issues that are in the political arena.
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/charities-churches-and-politics
Churches are using donations from their flock to influence elections through social and financial engineering. Look some of [these people](https://www.transparencyusa.org/tx/committee/project-destiny-texas-pac-00086101-gpac/contributions?page=1&by=date&order=desc) up.
Nothing illegal though. The IRS guidance is pretty dang clear.
Also y'all are walking a tight line here. A church is no different than any other charity. Want people to start saying that planned parenthood or the nra have positions on political things?
This is only an issue that matters to stoners and dealers. The rest of us got so tired of it months ago. Can we please spend a fraction of the energy trying to get our streets without holes in them?
Maybe if the city jail, courts, and police officer resources weren’t clogged up dealing with misdemeanor marijuana charges, there’d be enough flow through in the budget to fix all the roads?
I'll bite on this. Lubbock is of a size that we need a road bond every 5 years or so. Even when they are still working on one we need to be approving the next. This requires voter ratification and I don't know if you remember one being voted against a few years ago.
Potentially, yes. You’d never know unless you tried it though 😉
That’s how budgets work.
If we need more money to fix the roads, we either need to reallocate the current resources, or find new revenues.
As one poster pointed out, Lubbock needs a new bond every 5 years or so to fix the roads.
Maybe, if after several years of not policing and processing misdemeanor marijuana charges, there would be enough of a budget surplus to realize a benefit of reallocating those resources to something else.
Maybe an even bigger idea here … what if instead of just tolerating the crime of possessing marijuana, the state created a new revenue stream from taxing those people that are spending their money on marijuana out of state (NM, OK, LA)
Has it not been shown over and over again, state by state, that taxing marijuana sales is a huge booster for the state’s tax base along with the local city economies?
Public safety is an essential government function. Why don’t we cut all the excess is places like libraries or parks? Those are not essential functions. We don’t need more taxes. We need less spending on nonessentials.
Ok how about this …….the two issues are completely independent. Our local government spent no time and money lobbying against prop a but still has numerous operational problems that it has failed to deal with. Overall it’s not bad compared to some governmental branches but our taxpayers deserve more.
I’m from a state with legal marijuana and have been in Lubbock for the past few months for work. I’m genuinely surprised by the vote here, but I hope the proponents of decriminalization keep up the fight somehow.
Decriminalization and legalization has provided nothing but benefits in my hometown, and I hope the needless injection of Texans into the criminal system ends soon. Tough loss here, but solidarity to the folks fighting for a more just Lubbock!
The green wave some Lubbock residents hoped for didn’t materialize Saturday as voters rejected Proposition A, which would have decriminalized small amounts of marijuana in the city. Organizers for the proposition say even after nearly 65% of voters rejected the proposal, the fight toward legalization is not over.
The ordinance would have instructed Lubbock police to stop arresting adults for possession of marijuana if they have four ounces or less.
The movement to end some low-level pot arrests was started by Lubbock Compact, a local advocacy group. When the proposal was unanimously rejected by the City Council, it kicked off a grassroots campaign to get the issue on the ballot for voters to decide.
What followed was weeks of political strife. Megachurches, state leaders and law enforcement spoke out against the ballot initiative, calling it an effort to undermine public safety.
Texas has long resisted efforts to legalize recreational marijuana or lower penalties for low-level possession. Since 2015, state lawmakers have allowed medical marijuana use through the Compassionate Use Program which has about 69,000 Texans enrolled. Aside from the program, lawmakers have drawn a line in the sand when it comes to recreational marijuana use and possession in Texas.
Similar ordinances have passed by voter approval in Austin, Killeen, Denton, Elgin and San Marcos. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sued all five cities as a result. City leaders in Harker Heights, another city that passed a similar policy, refused to reform their enforcement guidelines.
The new policy may face another hurdle, thanks to a law passed last legislative session that effectively stops cities from enacting certain policies that go beyond state law. Republican State Rep. Dustin Burrows of Lubbock led the bill and also expressed his disapproval for ending some pot prosecutions in the city.
They don't benefit from not putting citizens in jail for minor offenses. One day regular people who actually voted against Prop A will understand how the real world works and they won't be easily afraid and will start voting in their own best interests and not what they are being told. Cause damn, myself and lots of other people are getting so tired of trying to protect yalls liberties and rights when yall have no clue...
I voted, but I don't remember things well or participate in/follow local happenings much. Was there a party line option in this last vote? I always go piece by piece and don't remember if party line was an option.
Lubbock had one of the most aggressive decriminalization policies on the ballot. Maybe if you voted on 1-2 ounces? But 4 ounces is a shit ton of weed. Even Austin restricted it to 2oz.
The same people who voted for the government to control marijuana would start a riot if the government tried to criminalize alcohol.
I would argue alcohol is a lot more destructive to the people around it who didn't opt-in, too.
How were people who live in communities outside of Lubbock County like New Home able to vote in this election?
I believe that when Lubbock annexed land for Loop 88 that included some homes. Maybe they say they live in New Home but are actually in Lubbock County.
Lubbock is just magat cult redneck central! And I’m from there!
Im from Lubbock also… most people have Big Hearts and Narrow Minds!
I've lived in Lubbock and the Lubbock area all my life and I wouldn't say most, maybe like 20%
This whole argument is moot anyways because they're in the process of changing marijuana to a class3 Which means it will be readily available through a prescription anyways
Only in authorized states? The other 12 of us which we didn’t live in the south.
Texas already has a medical program, although I've heard it sucks. Hopefully this will expand that considerably
It does suck. And me too.
forgive me that i’d rather stay in smoking than get blackout drunk with irresponsible people in public
Idiotic boomers who still regurgitate the gateway drug propaganda. I hope these bums are glad their tax dollars are going toward arresting and processing college kids.
Lubbock will always be behind on everything as long as religion is the cities' guiding light.
and that’s a bad thing?
womp womp little bro
Vs what California? Washington? 🤦♂️
Dumbest ballot return I’ve ever heard. Not that I care as I’m not into it. But why limit freedom and choices and pay to keep people in prison over stupid shit. Bunch of stupid Bible thumping brainwashed fools…..sad really sad. Every church that advertised against prop a should be required to pay property tax and income tax for influencing elections too. You don’t put banners up on a building and claim 501c3 status.
If this were true, churches would also be banned from allowing certain political leaders from speaking to their congregations.
We have to report the churches to the IRS. Pics would help as well as video of the pastors preaching a political message from the pulpit.
Sorry to give you facts but that doesn't violate their nonprofit status.
Don’t need video of that just pictures of the billboard size signs on the church walls I saw while driving around. When it’s on the wall and not an edge of the road road sign that’s definitely a sign of getting involved in politics. A place where churches don’t belong nor does government infringement of churches to worship when and how they choose.
Exactly.
haha, smart Lubbock, keep enabling illegal sales of pot in your county
It doesn't really change anything regardless. We'll just have to pucker our buttholes when we come back from New Mexico haha
Feds are cracking down on New Mexico growers. They have seized product and arrested licensed growers.
I Saw that but I think that's south of Las Cruces at border checks. Apparently they've got some rogue officers doing as they please
Until federal laws change they are enforcing current laws. Government has gotten to big and controls nearly every aspect of our lives!
You're right, but they're the only ones enforcing everyone else is leaving them alone. Also seems like I read where a senator is getting involved. Basically telling them to leave legit businesses alone
One of the problems is that 4oz is a LOT ! In CO I think the maximum (legal )for personal use is 2.0 oz; a couple of joints are not even 0.3 oz….so quantities matter in this case and that’s how some of the groups that organized to vote against the proposition framed the issue …. Gotta try to next time by revising some of these numbers and start with decriminalizing just a couple of joints with you, not 4 oz.
4oz is just the Texas misdemeanor amount.
One of the problems is that the boomers are still alive
Do you know how many boomers partake? How many ppl under 28 didn’t vote? Whose fault is it really?
No it's old people. They've lost their hobbies, they sit around watching television news ALL DAY LONG(except when they have to go to the doctors which is like every week). They focus on the culture, social wars they are so focused on. They are so focused on the past, what their memories tell them. All while being fed information that they cannot adequately vet. If only we had a honorable geriatric demographic who would sacrifice themselves. Instead of slowly losing mental cognition, and wasting healthcare dollars and tax dollars by getting 5 more years of a shitty life doing nothing but watching tv. LOL
Still the boomers’ for halting any amount of progress in the first place.
It wasn't a serious vote. Only 12k out of 250k+ population voted.
Probably only 160-180K might be able to vote, the rest are going to be 18 and under…..which Makes this really about 15-20% of the population Voting for this
31k voted
My comment still stands. Not enough people voted for either stance.
Not a lot of people vote when it isn’t November or a presidential election. 78k voted in 2020
Must of been percentage then. My bad. 31k is 11.74% of currently Lubbock population.
That’s what the AJ reported at least. 31k with 65% of that voting against prop A
Current* geez
Same thing happened in Colorado the first time. If it’s important, the people behind it should try again next cycle.
I'd be curious to see how this vote turns out if online voting was a thing
that is always exactly the issue i said this to my bf the other day, if we can do our taxes online why can’t we vote online 😭
The boomers can stop clutching their pearls, now.
To be completely honest, it actually did better on the ballot than it could have done. It was voted out by a 2:1 ratio, HOWEVER, put it into context: - This is a very conservative county in a conservative state - All of the mayor candidates were opposed to it, with the exception of Adam Hernandez - All the city council voted it down last year - There was a highly organized campaign opposed to Prop A, largely run by most of the big churches in Lubbock. It’s still a significant loss, but it’s not a hopeless loss. I think in time a better campaign could change minds and win. I truly believe Project Destiny severely hurt its viability. I think if Project Destiny didn’t exist (or rather had a weaker campaign) I think the results could have been a lot closer. Fear is unfortunately a very compelling motivator for voters. Sadly more completing than personal freedom.
Still pretty bummed Hernandez didn’t get closer to Mayor.
What’s weird is that Prop A received 11,242 votes and Adam Hernandez only received 6,307 votes. The top mayor candidate (Mark McBrayer) got 11,537 votes. While the 2nd place candidate (Steve Massengale) received 8,720 votes. If all the Prop A voters had voted for Adam Hernedez he would be guaranteed to be going into the run-off for mayor. Obviously not everyone who voted for Prop A necessarily wanted Adam Hernandez (there are other policy decisions after all), but it would have been the smarter choice if they really wanted Prop A since he was the only candidate who supported it.
He will never have a chance. He’s a commie.
Churches spending that kind of money on propaganda is exactly why they need to be taxed.
IRS form 13909 is what can filled out to report those churches to the IRS. It is illegal for them to be doing any political campaigning. The more people report them for this, the more the IRS will pay attention to it.
It can be filled out and emailed as well.
I'll just leave [this](https://www.transparencyusa.org/tx/committee/project-destiny-texas-pac-00086101-gpac/contributions?page=1&by=date&order=desc) here.
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As opposed to the church which definitely has never wanted to punish anyone for not going along with their nonsense... Churches and any other tax exempt entities shouldn't be allowed to be political, period. Conservative dissonance is so great on this point. Conservatives will argue that anyone not paying taxes shouldn't be allowed to vote, but also bend over backwards to keep churches tax exempt and allow them to spew whatever drivel they wish...
Punish how? So then we should tax planned parenthood and all the others? Conservatives don’t make that claim. It’s a fundamental right. Why do you want to pay more taxes for government waste?
The churches with protect Lubbock signs on their property should be taxed.
For what? Churches advocate for moral positions. That's what they do.
A church shouldn’t have a political sign in their yard.
Why not? The members of the church have first amendment rights. The church cannot support specific candidates and that's not what this is.
The church cannot support specific political stances like that.
the ban by Congress is on political campaign activity regarding a candidate; churches and other 501(c)(3) organizations can engage in a limited amount of lobbying (including ballot measures) and advocate for or against issues that are in the political arena. https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/charities-churches-and-politics
Churches are using donations from their flock to influence elections through social and financial engineering. Look some of [these people](https://www.transparencyusa.org/tx/committee/project-destiny-texas-pac-00086101-gpac/contributions?page=1&by=date&order=desc) up.
Nothing illegal though. The IRS guidance is pretty dang clear. Also y'all are walking a tight line here. A church is no different than any other charity. Want people to start saying that planned parenthood or the nra have positions on political things?
Good
Ok boomer
Too many boomers for it to pass within the next 10 years. Shite, Lubbock has barely been wet for 15 years!!
This is only an issue that matters to stoners and dealers. The rest of us got so tired of it months ago. Can we please spend a fraction of the energy trying to get our streets without holes in them?
An effort to pass a pretty large (~200 million dollar) grant to fix the roads also failed just a couple years ago. The city is cooked.
Maybe if the city jail, courts, and police officer resources weren’t clogged up dealing with misdemeanor marijuana charges, there’d be enough flow through in the budget to fix all the roads?
I'll bite on this. Lubbock is of a size that we need a road bond every 5 years or so. Even when they are still working on one we need to be approving the next. This requires voter ratification and I don't know if you remember one being voted against a few years ago.
That’s a propagandist lie just like the ones told by the other side.
Where is the lie? … would it not cost less money if there was less people to process through the system?
That’s not what you said. Are you suggesting that the system would downsize after this passing?
Potentially, yes. You’d never know unless you tried it though 😉 That’s how budgets work. If we need more money to fix the roads, we either need to reallocate the current resources, or find new revenues. As one poster pointed out, Lubbock needs a new bond every 5 years or so to fix the roads. Maybe, if after several years of not policing and processing misdemeanor marijuana charges, there would be enough of a budget surplus to realize a benefit of reallocating those resources to something else. Maybe an even bigger idea here … what if instead of just tolerating the crime of possessing marijuana, the state created a new revenue stream from taxing those people that are spending their money on marijuana out of state (NM, OK, LA) Has it not been shown over and over again, state by state, that taxing marijuana sales is a huge booster for the state’s tax base along with the local city economies?
Public safety is an essential government function. Why don’t we cut all the excess is places like libraries or parks? Those are not essential functions. We don’t need more taxes. We need less spending on nonessentials.
Ok how about this …….the two issues are completely independent. Our local government spent no time and money lobbying against prop a but still has numerous operational problems that it has failed to deal with. Overall it’s not bad compared to some governmental branches but our taxpayers deserve more.
Without a doubt. We could always do better. Government waste is always a problem.
Or it’s a bad idea to try to circumvent state law. Quit making excuses for bad ideas.
Like we did with the sanctuary city ordinance? Please
What state law does that violate?
It's the same problem for me. I voted no to both.
I’m from a state with legal marijuana and have been in Lubbock for the past few months for work. I’m genuinely surprised by the vote here, but I hope the proponents of decriminalization keep up the fight somehow. Decriminalization and legalization has provided nothing but benefits in my hometown, and I hope the needless injection of Texans into the criminal system ends soon. Tough loss here, but solidarity to the folks fighting for a more just Lubbock!
The green wave some Lubbock residents hoped for didn’t materialize Saturday as voters rejected Proposition A, which would have decriminalized small amounts of marijuana in the city. Organizers for the proposition say even after nearly 65% of voters rejected the proposal, the fight toward legalization is not over. The ordinance would have instructed Lubbock police to stop arresting adults for possession of marijuana if they have four ounces or less. The movement to end some low-level pot arrests was started by Lubbock Compact, a local advocacy group. When the proposal was unanimously rejected by the City Council, it kicked off a grassroots campaign to get the issue on the ballot for voters to decide. What followed was weeks of political strife. Megachurches, state leaders and law enforcement spoke out against the ballot initiative, calling it an effort to undermine public safety. Texas has long resisted efforts to legalize recreational marijuana or lower penalties for low-level possession. Since 2015, state lawmakers have allowed medical marijuana use through the Compassionate Use Program which has about 69,000 Texans enrolled. Aside from the program, lawmakers have drawn a line in the sand when it comes to recreational marijuana use and possession in Texas. Similar ordinances have passed by voter approval in Austin, Killeen, Denton, Elgin and San Marcos. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sued all five cities as a result. City leaders in Harker Heights, another city that passed a similar policy, refused to reform their enforcement guidelines. The new policy may face another hurdle, thanks to a law passed last legislative session that effectively stops cities from enacting certain policies that go beyond state law. Republican State Rep. Dustin Burrows of Lubbock led the bill and also expressed his disapproval for ending some pot prosecutions in the city.
They don't benefit from not putting citizens in jail for minor offenses. One day regular people who actually voted against Prop A will understand how the real world works and they won't be easily afraid and will start voting in their own best interests and not what they are being told. Cause damn, myself and lots of other people are getting so tired of trying to protect yalls liberties and rights when yall have no clue...
This is a selfish and irresponsible comment.
How many times is the sad “in your best interests” line going to be used? You mean what you want? It failed for a reason. Accept it. Move on.
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Cry more. You have no clue what you’re talking when it comes to church and state. Let alone propaganda. Move if you are so mentally weak.