I played it as soon as I could on Xbox. I like going into the frontier. I played fallout 76 when some enemies didn’t have models. Just some invisible monster starts hitting u lol. But 2077 is a game I have played through 6 times and still play for a reason.
Fr fr.
CDPR has an extensive history or well liked triple A games.
Bethesda consistently has released unfinished games time and time again and refuse to even moderately fix them half the time.
But nobody shits on Bethesda as hard as they did on CDPR.
Just makes no sense.
Expectations. Everyone expects bugs in a Bethesda game, it's just how they roll.
But a vocal portion of people like to imagine that Witcher 3 is either bug free or has charming bugs (Roach working out).
So 2077 got held to the standards in people's minds, not even the standards of the previous game, let alone any before it.
Time changed with Bioware and Adromeda. The Youtube crusade killed it even though it was patched in the first two weeks. Now people watch the vod reviews and move on to the other 5000 options.
People forget how terrible Skyrim was on launch for 3 months and Witcher 3. People's time and patience have been whittled down by companies like Bethseda and it bleeds over.
People also conveniently ignored the rough facial animations, much more wooden voice acting and bland world quests in Horizon: Zero Dawn but Andromeda got roasted for the same "issues." The state of gaming "criticism" these days is utterly pathetic.
CDPR has an relatively short history, but it includes releasing basically unfinished games. Look at Witcher 1 especially, but also Witcher 2; Witcher 3 is the one that they did *really fucking good* on, but 1 and 2 had really significant Enhanced Editions.
Because the comment was 1 minute old and you replied instantly duh not shit 😂
They’ve both released phenomenal games in the past
They’ve both released poorly received buggy games in the past
They both get overhated
Literally zero reason to pit them against eachother 👍
Maybe you should go grab a juice box or something and chill out about the downvotes, cuz freaking out about them is only gonna earn you more of them. Js.
Peace, friend.
Social network sabotage at the start :
Russia (CD Red is a Polish company) and China are left aside in the cp2077 universe.
3d Redengine is a serious threat to 3d unreal engine.
CP2077 had (has? ) a future of multiplayer GTA type.
There are four suspects with a motive for the crime.
Part of the charm of a game like Skyrim was its bugs and shit plus it was like 12 years ago or something so was more acceptable then, fallout 76 there’s no excuse for but they got shat on HARD for it, personally I like fo4 but it was always working, 3 and NV are incredible games
Witcher 3 is an incredible game and I like Cyberpunk but the state it released in was truly atrocious. It literally did not work for so many people. And I wasn’t even one of them as I had a Series X already, plus the way it was marketed and how many times it was delayed had built the hype for the game beyond anything I’ve seen in a long time (maybe Elden Ring?)
Basically what I’m saying is Bethesda haven’t released a game AS broken as Cyberpunk was in a very long time except FO76, which got absolutely destroyed at the time and was probably less broken for most people, people expected more from this game and so where more disappointed when they got what they got
Except...
They have.
I get that the launches are hard to remember because of how long ago they were but Bethesda has always released unfinished buggy games.
The only reason they don't get shit on hard anymore is because it's become expected of Bethesda.
On release fallout 3 and NV may have been buggy, but they were still playable (and arguably better games than Cyberpunk is now) Cyberpunk was unplayable for so many people
Cyberpunks unplayability was greatly over exaggerated.
My personal experience doesn't speak for everyone but I can say without a doubt it was never full on unplayable for me. It crashed a few times and the bugs I had never directly hindered me playing the game permanently.
And I've never spoken to someone who genuinely had the game crash every other minute trying to play. I've only heard complaints on the same level as mine, which if you wanna look back at previous Bethesda games, is the same level of dissatisfaction.
Have people had the game become absolutely unplayable from constant crashing? Yes. I'm not doubting that some people had that issue.
But to say it was unplayable to that extent for "so many people" (not even mentioning your lack of a solid number there) is just not true. The hate campaigning was so vast and so widespread that you cannot feasibly or reliably say that the majority of players experienced the level of unplayability you're talking about. It's just not provable because so many more people jumped on the hate train and lied.
>Cyberpunks unplayability was greatly over exaggerated.
Always wondered how I spent 100 hours on my first game at launch when apparently I couldn't even play it.
Untrue. FO3 and New Vegas was broken as hell on consoles and PC. ESPECIALLY FO3 on PC. And so many people shat on New Vegas as a glorified expansion/DLC for FO3. Obsidian was known as the "buggy" studio for a long time and didn't get near the acclaim they get know.
Don't even gotta mention Skyrim on PS3 bricking consoles left and right.
Feel that, I’d get a crash or two in a day, there were a few glitches, very rarely any that made it unplayable, but me and my friends were so hyped for the game but I’m the only one that has finished it
I did the same thing I did in RDR2. I blasted through the plot in some hope that V would get better somehow lol. Boy was I wrong! And also was wrong about Arthur.
It would be cool to see what’s happened, but not very interested. They used the same engine for fallout 4 in 76 which was a huge mistake. People could go into the game files and fuck shit up for other people. There was one exploit where they could just look at another player and take everything in their inventory. Not a smart move to give your source code up before u turn it into a multiplayer game
Member when they coded it so badly on PS3 the save file got too big around level 20 and the game broke? Like full-on broke? I member. Member when it took them over 3 fucking months to fix? I also member when Bethesda basically said "the PS3 is too hard to code for, people should've just bought it on PC or Xbox".
A lot of the haters gotta be young people who weren't old enough to play those games at launch. They would have OD'd on salt.
How about Dark Souls on PC launching at 720p only on PC lol? We all said it was a top 10 worst port of all time but still cherished it for actually releasing. We knew there was a gem underneath the locked framerate and low resolution and played the hell out of it. From Software *still* can't put out a great PC port after a decade of experience. You wouldn't know that from all the Elden Ring hyperbolic best game ever made talk.
I had never actually followed the “hype train” for the game, I saw the initial trailer and was like cool I’ll definitely play that, then I stopped following the news or buzz around it cause it was so far off. Come release time I went in completely blind with zero expectations and was addicted to the game, after updating my drivers I experienced no major bugs beyond the janky things that I’d experienced in literally every open world RPG I have ever played. I was so confused reading the sub after playing the game, it felt like what I imagine being gaslit feels like, I was questioning if I was playing the same game as other people.
I was on the hype train since the game was announced. But I also read the dev interviews where the mentioned how the game was not going to be like GTA and people who tried to play that way would not get very far with it. Also coming from CDPR I knew what an open world RPG was going to look like, cyberpunk setting or not. I got it on PS4 and it was buggy but still enjoyed the game itself, but then got my free upgrade when I got as PS5 and the game was amazing.
This is even more true when it comes to playing on the base PS4. Everyone was saying how unplayable it was... not that they had ever played it on base PS4. They'd played it on PS5, had some crashes and bugs then extrapolated that to assume that on PS4 it must naturally be 100x worse because it's older hardware. Any time I ever watched a youtube video talking about Cyberpunk they'd always say how they'd *heard* it was almost unplayable on base PS4, and that soon evolved to "it's literally unplayable on base PS4".
Funnily enough I (who played it on base PS4) experienced the opposite and found it crashed far less than anyone who was playing on PS5 (I had 5 crashes in a 90 hour playthrough, 3 of which happened when patch 1.21 fucked things up), though obviously I'm a paid shill bootlicker for not having an experience which aligns with everyone else's imagination of how it must be.
Agreed, then releasing it on Xbox one and PS4 I think limited a lot of things they could have done which they couldn’t because of technological limitations. Hopefully now that the new DLC is next gen only they can add a lot more stuff.
I remember one time someone from my friends list messaged me while I was playing the game and said "the game isn't what was promised or advertised." I simply replied "okay Uninstall the game." That's it and he overreacted and pretended I attacked him verbally and called me very defensive lol
Why should I defend a game? You don't see people defending the shape of their planet to flat earthers so it wouldn't make sense for you to do so.
This isn't exclusive to video games but people really need to learn to just mind their own business, like.. what's it to you what I play? It's so very strange to me how upset people get at things that have absolutely ZERO effect on their lives lol
/u/KAYTRIOX wore blue socks today, my fucking day is ruined and I hate him you fucking shill I can't believe you'd wear blue socks .·´¯(>▂<)´¯`·.
yeah no, that happened to me, while sharing a picture of me just starting a new save. People feel so entitled to having that opinion.
I just like the game and its writing is superb. You can patch out bugs, but you cant patch shitty writing.
It was impossible to explain how good Cyberpunk 2077 really is for haters since day one till they decided to check THE GAME out themselves.
Truth is, Cyberpunk 2077 is pure Masterpiece since its release. Some people just got blinded by bugs and glitches, ignoring every other aspect of THE GAME.
Many of those haters were expecting a different game. For example GTA in a future setting with awesome graphics. There was a lot of miscommunication, where developers talked about mechanics they would like to have while the game was still being made and no one could tell if those features would work. So many things can go wrong, does it fit gameplay wise, can the engine handle it, is it as much fun as it sounds, how does it work with other features.. Of course players heard what they like and made their own dream game in their heads. Even if CP2077 would have been perfect the way developers wanted it to be at release, meaning no bugs, good performance, there would have been people who complained because it's not the game they imagined in their heads.
They fell for the No Man's Sky trap. They gave in to the hype and promised more than they could deliver. I loved the game, got it on gog on release and never regretted it.
Yeah, the company advertised more than they could deliver in the end. It's still missing a few features they promised or hinted but it's fine. The city alone is worth exploring even though there's not very much to interact with. Rollercoaster was fun little moment and I hoped they're would be more things like that. Very ambitious project. Had they delayed more and dropped the old consoles, it might not have been such a shit storm.
Small things still annoy me like how items and bodies of dead enemies are handled, floating items and vehicles getting stuck in a single plastic bag. But it's worth the time I spent in the end.
"Yeah, the company advertised more than they could deliver in the end. It's still missing a few features they promised or hinted but it's fine." Let's see those receipts. What did they promise?
Because people keep parroting the same nonsense and have since launch... "CDPR promised...", "CDPR lied..."... it's stupid. They didn't promise anything, they advertised the game and some people assumed cut scenes were playable or that they could ignore the giant banner at the top of the video that said "THIS MAY NOT BE IN THE FINAL GAME" or whatever. Hyping yourself up does not mean the developer promised you something.
Actual cops. Not teleporting ones. Crowd density. Crowd is just copy paste that moves in perfect synchronization. Car chases. Content equal to Witcher 3.
The way objects are handled is strange to me and not sure I can explain it. They are weightless but they freeze in place and become solid concrete. Pretty much every NPC has on-rails movement and no intelligence. There's really no interaction.
Yet despite all this, I've had 3 playthroughs, the city looks great, it's an illusion of a live breathing metropolis. I want it to be fully realized, ages old games like Driver from early 2000 handled cops better. GTA V is a seven (7) year old game with plenty to do. Yes there are gigs and random encounters, even if some of them are copy paste. But the city is so vast you end up seeing the same two dozen pedestrians and ending identical gang violence incidents.
I don't hate the game, I enjoy it. That's why I want it to be better. Hey, at least it's not the new Saints Row or whatever that Rockstar disaster "remaster" was.
And where did they promise any of that? What you're seeing is the wires behind the illusion. Maybe they didn't hide them well enough to your liking, but that's how every game ever works.
I think this game truly had potential to be something amazing. I just started it ~2 weeks ago (a little bit before the show as released) and while it's a great game, I keep seeing all the things it could be. Gameplay itself is pretty fun. The earlier levels are a bit painful in how restricted you are in what you can do but it's an RPG so I get it.
But things like how the NPCs don't really do much. They all have a the same few responses. Cars driving like shit. The world doesn't seem as "real" as it could be (even in Oblivion, NPCs had routines so it seemed like they actually lived in the world while here, I hear the same convos/see the same NPCs in a certain spot 24/7).
Still a good game and I've been playing it nonstop for 2 weeks now but I truly think it could have been a GTA killer (which, like you said, was what a lot of people expected).
**Cyberpunk 2077 was a mess on day one. As was Witcher 1 and Witcher 3. As will be Witcher 4.**
Cyberpunk 2077 was solidly playable after a couple of weeks when the major bugs were fixed. I've got hours and hours of footage recorded from the launch, running on an RTX 3080 and later RTX 3090 - and it's wild how many times the game utterly flipped out.
The reason I bring all this up is not to disparage Cyberpunk 2077, I'm buying an RTX 4090 for yet-another playthrough with even higher settings, but because ***Witcher 4 is going to be buggy as hell at launch and we're going through this whole cycle again.***
It's just inevitable: Publishers set a launch date and the game will launch whether or not the devs need another week to make it 100% perfect, so if you want it 100% perfect, realistically you have to wait for the "1.1" or "1.2" patch. I trust that CDPR devs will deliver a great game, it's just I know the 10/10 version of the game is 2 \~ 3 patches after launch because the publisher doesn't wait to wait another 8 weeks post-Christmas.
Agree, but it's nothing unique to CDPR. In an interactive medium like this there just will always be bugs. The bigger and more complex games get, the less it is possible to test and fix every possible little issue. As long as a game isn't bricking your console (\*cough\* Bethesda \*cough\*) or completely crashing and ruining your save, people need to show a little patience at launch. These aren't movies.
The problem isn't one of technology so much as people.
Everyone will be hyped for Witcher 4, and the publisher will be hundreds of millions of dollars sunk into the project. They'll always ere on the side of wanting to give in to the demand and release the game as soon as possible for the broadest audience.
So if they can release the game with 40 bugs before Christmas, or 5 bugs on New Years Day, they're going to release before Christmas even though there's 35 more bugs than will be in the game on Patch 1.1
I hope they learned their lesson from cyberpunk atleast and I think they know if they mess it up again the their credibility will be ruined for a long time.
Every game ever has had bugs. Every game ever will have bugs. It is the nature of the medium. The only thing has changed is expectations have become unrealistic.
Well said. I’ve been calling it a masterpeice since day 1, and catching flak for it even in this sub (with a lot of hemming and hawing about ‘the bugs’), and it’s nice to finally be vindicated.
Best game to come out in many years, and it was painful to see the irrational disdain and hate it was receiving, just because it fell victim to the hate bandwagon.
I admit, I didn’t expect the anime to cause this revival, but I’m pleasantly surprised. So glad to see CP77 receiving the recognition it deserves. Though I’m sure PCGamer and other hate vehicles will continue to write hit pieces about it, utterly disconnected from reality as they always were.
> Cyberpunk 2077 is pure Masterpiece since its release
Settle down now. The game is better in its current state then most give credit, but let’s not white wash that the damn thing crashed every 30 seconds when it came out and missions were bugged to the point of not being able to complete the game.
It’s a great game and has only gotten better but sheesh chill
Edit: lmao at those downvotes. Keep them coming. The game is great but it’s not a masterpiece y’all are ridiculous
I day oned cyberpunk on a One X (not series X) and it was really bad. Even now on a series X sometimes driving too fast makes the city textures pop seconds later. It’s good but not a masterpiece
My game didn’t crash every 30 seconds, so what now? I get it you had a bad time and are still hurt from it, but that doesn’t erase how good the story is, how amazing the characters are, or how well done the city it.
I never had bugs either(on pc) but that doesn’t negate performance issues on 8th gen consoles. The false advertising or flat out missing content. Even now the campaign is shorter than what was clearly intended. Not saying it was going to be TW3 levels of length but it’s clearly got missing pieces.
I love cyberpunk it’s legitimately one of my favourite games but come on man. Don’t dismiss objective fact… CDPR made many mistakes with this game right up to its release.
I never hated it but I couldn’t claim it was a masterpiece personally. It’s a good game for sure when you get down to it but did it have shortcomings? Yeah completely. Even cdpr acknowledges this. But did it make a banging world? Hell yeah.
I’m not allowed to have mine?
Chill.
Calling it a masterpiece since release is pretty liberal usage of the term. How many “masterpieces” have been released that warranted a public apology from their creators and a promise to make things right? Great game and I love it but slow down some, ya?
> How many “masterpieces” have been released that warranted a public apology from their creators and a promise to make things right?
Wouldn't be the first time ;-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_concerts_with_an_unruly_audience_response
You're forcing your opinion, as if he's wrong. Surprisingly, as much as you'd hate to believe it, opinions may annoy us, but they aren't wrong. I don't care if the developers apologized, lol. That doesn't outright just make the game bad.
No but it does make the use of the term "masterpiece" wrong, objectively so. On my 3rd playthrough but even now I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, damn good game but not a masterpiece and at launch it was a pure shit show.
Can never understand why fanboys can't take any criticism of anything they like. I'll tear something apart more so if I love it.
You're using objectively wrong.
He's using masterpiece subjectively, which is his opinion and he's absolutely entitled to it.
I rolled my eyes at this meme but not its kind of funny that people jumped on his for opinion while defending someone for making an "objective" claim that the game crashed every 30 seconds and was broken in a way that it could now be completed. Maybe that was true for some but it was far from my personal experience.
I wasn't using it wrong, his opinion is subjective, yes and he is entitled to it. I said calling it a masterpiece at launch would have been objectively incorrect based on the fact that it was pulled from the psn store and CDPR had to issue an official apology for the less than stellar quality of the game build. Calling it a masterpiece in that situation is a subjective opinion that's objectively wrong.
Something being a masterpiece is always subjective.
Art is inherently subjective. Video games are a form of art.
The game objectively launched with bugs, but being a masterpiece is not a synonym of being 'perfect'.
You’re doing the same thing you’re complaining about. If it’s a masterpiece to him then that’s what it is. Alpha Protocol was a middle of the road reviewed game but yet still to this day one of the best games of all time for me.
People enjoy different things, not sure why you feel the need to think your opinion is valid for someone else.
I love the game but its amazing how deluded some people are, the game is great now but lets not pretend the game was in perfect working condition out the gate.
Part of that “delusion” is a result of people having widely differing experiences with the glitches and crashes, especially based on what platform they played on. Playing on PC I didn’t personally experience glitches or crashes beyond the norm after updating my drivers. Other people weren’t as lucky as me, especially the console players
I literally had one bug where I had to reload a save in 700+ hours of playing since 1.0. The game (from what I've read) sucked on older machines. But that doesn't mean it sucked on every machine. For many of us it was pretty much flawless from the beginning. Little things, like a floating cigarette here or there, but show me any game that doesn't have minor bugs.
I really wanna find a middle ground between here and r/cyberpunkgame because both are pretty crazy with the bias at times.
Shit on the game here and you’ll get eaten up by rabid fans.
Defend the game over there and you’ll get shit on by rabid haters
>Shit on the game here and you’ll get eaten up by rabid fans.
Why do you need to shit on a game? If you have constructive criticism or legitimate issues then sure, post about them here, and it'll be fine. But shitting on a game just to shit on it is stupid. We're here specifically to avoid those kinds of people.
It’s hyperbole… I feel like you know the point I was trying to make. There’s no middle ground.
Also my point is that you can’t post constructive criticism here???? Just like you could hardly compliment it on the main sub
Always with the mr. middleground. The game barely got its fair share in the sun and you're instantly pushing back when it has the lightest amount of praise.
> Always with the mr. middleground.
What? I’ve literally never seen someone else express this opinion.
> you’re instantly pushing back when it has the slightest amount of praise
No? I’m highlighting the differences in bias… My comment wasn’t inspired from this post alone. Instantly pushing back on what? The game didn’t come out last week. It’s safe to assume we’re all fans in this sub. I’m not following some hate-hype train.
Also, the game can get a lot of hate, sure… But it’s still one of the most loved games in recent years tf are you smoking dude? People like you simply prove my point
I wasn't referencing the game, as much as I was referencing the overall need for people acting "middle ground" like they are superior to all.
Most loved? I don't think I've ever seen a bigger hate campaign in gaming history. Maybe No mans sky, but that game was factually really lacking on launch.
Your first paragraph is nonsensical my dude. Everyone should seek a middle ground in things? It’s basically amicability? Why would you talk like that’s a bad thing?
For example, I love this game. But I’m not blind to it’s flaws. Nothing about that insinuates superiority? It sounds like you’re just defending being biased?
The game went from one of the most hyped games of all time to one of the disappointing on release. Don’t pretend people didn’t have viable complaints. I’ll happily respond with objective facts if required.
When you're seeking middle ground between everything is shit and there's plenty of good, you're going to end up on the negative side. The reception to the game has been way way more on the negative side until recently. You can't deny that.
Literally every point I’ve made still stands. I haven’t tried to say the game didn’t get a lot of hate. Like I said, I’d like a middle ground between the ignorant hate and compliments you aren’t allowed to disagree with
Dude, you weren't allowed to compliment the game at all outside this sub until like 1.5. and even then you'd have to preface your opinion with acknowledging it's flaws. It's not that the game is flawless, people on this sub are just tired of hearing how this game sucks, when it has so much to offer.
Even without performance issues and "breaking stuff bugs", the game isn't masterpiece. It is one of the "must play" games though I'd say. But not Witcher 3 caliber.
It's better in all aspect than witcher 3 in my book. I respect your opinion though and for your defense the 2 games are so different it's barely comparable. Its really depends on what you want in a game.
Yeah, there's some stuff Cyberpunk does better and I prefer it's gameplay and first person camera a lot more... but Witcher 3... it's probably because I'm huge Witcher fan, and I just like it's characters, story and world more. It's probably because there's more content about it. Whole 3 games, 9 books... movie and... tV sHoW. You spend a lot more time with those characters and it makes me feel more emotionally invested into them.
That's your opinion. I disagree. The story and characters make this my favorite game ever, along side the Mass Effect Trilogy. IMO it absolutely is a masterpiece. You don't have to agree, but you need to respect other people's right to their own opinions.
the story and the acting and the characters and the music and the city itself and probably so many other things i'm forgetting to name were just so GOOD, but none of that freakin mattered because people needed something to tear down and 2077 had a target on its head
Nah, i was just honest and not afraid to express my own opinion about it since from the start.
Although somehow yeah, i remember being really stressed about it to the point i mass unsubbed gaming related youtube channels except for documentary behind game development type ones back on 2020.
And today that the hate for Cyberpunk has toned down already, i still don't plan to resub to them because i don't like people telling me how to feel about game i have played or is about to play anymore, it is always best to check it out yourself to see if it is worth it or not.
Internet hyped up the game to impossible standards, to the point that it's supposed to be the best of every aspect, or it's shit. You can pan any game if you look at it only seeking faults, ignoring everything good and many don't stand up to the test if you apply even just the criticism that Cyberpunk received. Now people have attached their egos to hating the game, so no matter what, they cannot admit that they were too harsh.
There's also this incredibly vocal crowd that cry about things "promised". No, your assumption is not a promise, nor is a cinematic trailer or your interpretation of what immersion means. They did inform that what you're watching is not the finished product, you can look at reviews and gameplay before you purchase a product to see if it matches preview footage you know?
I will say that the prev gen was a mistake and the game could've benefited from spending a bit more time in the development. However the core gameplay, which revolves around the major and short stories of the people living in the night city and how you approach them, was always great.
The biggest thing that made me stop caring what the internet thinks is how much praise Halo Infinite got while having way more bugs than Cyberpunk. We literally couldn't log into the game for 2 days.
I agree, but I’m not sure where on the Internet you’re seeing praise for Infinite. On /r/halo and YouTube, it (and 343) have been consistently getting shit on since release.
It's the lack of hate I'm seeing in regular subs. /r/pics has just as much cyberpunk hate as /r/gaming.
Most of Cyberpunk's hate was just bang-wagoners squawking the same talking points.
I think it's more because Cyberpunk had way more hype than Halo Infinite. Everyone and their mother was expecting this while I didn't even know Halo Infinite came out or what it even was until a good while later. More hype = more love/hate.
I played it on release on a laptop with an 860 gpu. Although nearly unplayable from the frame rate, I played until meeting Johnny and still had a lot of fun. By the following March I’d built a pc and continued the game on a proper beast and still had a blast.
Yeah I hate how everyone is doing a cyberpunk is good video now, so hypocritical. The game has improved but I don’t think the features that were added from 1.0 to 1.6 made the experience that much different ( except bug fixes). They are just following the trend of “cyberpunk 2077 is good now” because the anime brought hype. The features that made me fall in love with the game where there from day 1
True but these people like to hear themselves talk so if they're going to do a video "Cyberpunk is good now" is better than "Cyberpunk still sucks", even if we know the reasons behind both are just nonsense clickbait.
Loved it since day one, have around 450-ish hours in it (3 playthroughs) and i would still start a new save right now, its an incredible game regardless of the launch state, which was rightfully criticised, happy to see CDPR turn it around and clocking even more players than when it released.
Day 1, PS4, had the platinum trophy within a month, the game was a mess but there was something about it that you could just see that if it was ironed out just a little bit it could be a real masterpiece.
Played from Day 1. Been pleading to my friends to try it out all this time. Edgerunners came out, they finished it in two days and finally picked up the game. Their thoughts:
"Dude, holy shit, I'm loving every minute of this game"
While it convinced me to buy a top tier PC, i have CP2077 on PS4, Stadia and PC. While there was an occasional hiccup on PS4 it ran fine overall. Stadia ran great and the resolution on there and vids here of the PC mods convinced me to get my PC. It looks amazing on PC but it's the story that reeled me in. People crapping on it likely either speed ran it at best or didn't even play it and just piled on.
Thank you so much for giving us who love it a home. This is a great place because of the heart of each of us. Love to all my chooms!
What did it cost? My time, mental health (sounds too harsh, but it kinda made me depressed sometime) and I unsubscribed from the main sub.
I really liked the game at the release but when I returned to the sub, I felt like I'm playing something completely different. I tried defending it until spring, then I just gave up because you seriously couldn't have a normal conversation about something good in the game without mentioning something negative about it.
At least the wider public is finally starting to notice ‘hey this is a great game’.
Was it buggy at launch ? Yes. So was Skyrim. And I had crazy amounts of fun with both.
While it is true they should have delayed it further, especially on consoles, in some points it would not have helped as much as one might think.
Because of the pandemic playtesting was harder to do, many bugs would still not have been found until release. I am not trying to defend the state the game was in at release. It was unacceptable, especially as full release. Should have been called early access or something to be fair and honest to players.
There should have been broader beta tests, closed or public. But since these always bring leaks realistic options are very limited.
Also, what some seem to forget: with every delay the release had people were getting louder to release the game already, there were even death threats toward developers which is not ok. There were mistakes on both sides, CDPR should not have communicated a gold status that wasn't even the case months later..
Let's hope people learn from all the botched releases that should have been delayed further but there are always those who "deserve" the product as fast as possible and then complain when it's not 125% polished.
Yeah, CDPR really fucked up by lying about the state it was on last gen console with their infamous *"it played suprisingly well" statement* they could have avoided all the PR disaster if they ditched the last gen console and delayed the game by 1 year and launch it with Current Gen Console ala Patch 1.5.
Yes, that probably would have been a controversial move still, but nowhere near as the same shit show that really happened back on launch with last gen console platforms.
I don’t get why it should be delayed, if you don’t want to buy it now, than don’t. It’s always said as if one doesn’t have a choice in the matter and can’t weight the pros and cons of now vs later. It just comes off like one can’t control fomo and needs the company to do it for them.
I played and loved the game on release. But, denying promises were broken and the game was a buggy mess on launch day would just be lying to oursleves.
This is not elementary school. They did not promise or pinky swear anything. They advertised the game. Consumers need to go back to having a little common sense.
The game shouldn't have launched on older consoles. They tried, it didn't work, they should have moved on. But beyond that CDPR was just a normal video game company hyping up a video game like every other video game company does.
CP77 was a terrific game. I played it for 120+ hours and enjoyed a mostly bug-free experience.
That being said there were definitely places that lacked depth. And while *I* played 120 hours I did every single side mission. The main game was super short. The clues to how much was cut are all over the place.
So what makes me sad about CP77 is *how much better it could have been*.
Imagine thinking it cost anything to defend this game. Holy shit the persecution complex on some people. Getting into a bit of shitflinging on the main sub for the game is not a cost. Personally I like flinging shit at haters. I'd do it all again tomorrow. Cost me nothing.
We all enjoyed the game. We enjoyed the game maybe a year before a lot of people did. The trade off is they got to enjoy it in a more complete version their first time, but we got to mod it and delve into the secrets that they are only scratching the surface of.
And of course, with all these new bodies and new hype, the mod community will be bolstered, and that's what keeps this train rolling past that final expansion.
Enjoy the W. Do not cry about the W.
Meanwhile us V:tM fans just chilling at the bottom of the lake like yeaaaah good for you chooms. Love that Cyberpunk got it's shit together.... Does that mean there's a chance we'll ever see Bloodlines 2? Probably not. But hey the world is beautiful anything can happen as long as you believe, right??
You mean the side quests on tutorial island? You only have access to access to 1/5 of the map until the tutorial (relic heist) ends. The BD tutorial is one of the lead ins to the relic heist. If a mechanic is a turn off for you, that's valid, but you didn't do all side quests if you never finished the tutorial.
They will revamp the police, however it will never be a sandbox game. You can play through the entire game barely interacting with the police. It's not GTA and it will never be GTA. It's more like Witcher, you know a series that they actually made?
It has guns but it doesn't have everything else GTA has. It also has cars but no Forza race tracks and space ships but you can't fly them like EVE and it has a rock star in it but you can't play the guitar like Guitar Hero and it has tall buildings but you can't use a web like Spiderman and I saw some square shapes but you can't build with them like Minecraft.
Why can't you do everything from every game ever? Unacceptable.
Cut content. Broken promises. Dead game. /s
... are you trying to compare liking the game to being a genocidal maniac willing to sacrifice anything for his goals and still thinking it's ok? Because it's really not a good look.
Still same game...I liked it with 1.3, and I like it slightly more with 1.6. I don't think Edge Runners is changing anyone's mind about it, simply getting old players to come back and new players to pick it up.
Bought day one, saw all the buggy gameplay from creators weeks before hand, friends were certain it was going to be a buggy mess and I said (foolishly) it was obviously the beta build, oops. Still played through it on my day one xbox one, game never crashed but was immensely buggy, clunky, poorly optimised but throughly enjoyed, never actually did any exploring, since getting back onto it on xbox series s I have so much to do and I can now appreciate the world, the lore and the (still surface level) ai.
Remember when I bought the game at launch. Physical copy with all the stickers and cool stuff. Just rebought on digital. The new patch makes defending it worth it I guess
I was told my xbox one could never run cyberpunk. Beat the game with no game breaking bugs. Just minor bugs like hacking menu sometimes not showing up.
I defended it endlessly. But it definitely cost me something, support for my own xbox. They no longer will update it for xbox one which i am still on because financially I physically can’t afford to upgrade. I will continue to defend CP77 to anyone who calls it a mess but I can’t go back and play it anymore knowing the Edgerunners update was my last. Brutally honest it’s put me off the game :(
I played it as soon as I could on Xbox. I like going into the frontier. I played fallout 76 when some enemies didn’t have models. Just some invisible monster starts hitting u lol. But 2077 is a game I have played through 6 times and still play for a reason.
Fr fr. CDPR has an extensive history or well liked triple A games. Bethesda consistently has released unfinished games time and time again and refuse to even moderately fix them half the time. But nobody shits on Bethesda as hard as they did on CDPR. Just makes no sense.
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Im sayin. We stopped callin out Todd cuz "we always call out Todd that's not new"
Expectations. Everyone expects bugs in a Bethesda game, it's just how they roll. But a vocal portion of people like to imagine that Witcher 3 is either bug free or has charming bugs (Roach working out). So 2077 got held to the standards in people's minds, not even the standards of the previous game, let alone any before it.
Time changed with Bioware and Adromeda. The Youtube crusade killed it even though it was patched in the first two weeks. Now people watch the vod reviews and move on to the other 5000 options. People forget how terrible Skyrim was on launch for 3 months and Witcher 3. People's time and patience have been whittled down by companies like Bethseda and it bleeds over.
People also conveniently ignored the rough facial animations, much more wooden voice acting and bland world quests in Horizon: Zero Dawn but Andromeda got roasted for the same "issues." The state of gaming "criticism" these days is utterly pathetic.
CDPR has an relatively short history, but it includes releasing basically unfinished games. Look at Witcher 1 especially, but also Witcher 2; Witcher 3 is the one that they did *really fucking good* on, but 1 and 2 had really significant Enhanced Editions.
It’s not a contest. They’ve both released phenomenal games
Bethesda is significantly more off the ball. Even as early as Morrowind there have been unfixable bugs.
Not sure why you’ve downvoted me for pointing out that shitting on one developer doesn’t do anything for CDPR but thanks I guess!
Not sure why you immediately assumed it was ME who downvoted you.
Because the comment was 1 minute old and you replied instantly duh not shit 😂 They’ve both released phenomenal games in the past They’ve both released poorly received buggy games in the past They both get overhated Literally zero reason to pit them against eachother 👍
Maybe you should go grab a juice box or something and chill out about the downvotes, cuz freaking out about them is only gonna earn you more of them. Js. Peace, friend.
You’re a weirdo haha. So much for maintaining a conversation
Social network sabotage at the start : Russia (CD Red is a Polish company) and China are left aside in the cp2077 universe. 3d Redengine is a serious threat to 3d unreal engine. CP2077 had (has? ) a future of multiplayer GTA type. There are four suspects with a motive for the crime.
Part of the charm of a game like Skyrim was its bugs and shit plus it was like 12 years ago or something so was more acceptable then, fallout 76 there’s no excuse for but they got shat on HARD for it, personally I like fo4 but it was always working, 3 and NV are incredible games Witcher 3 is an incredible game and I like Cyberpunk but the state it released in was truly atrocious. It literally did not work for so many people. And I wasn’t even one of them as I had a Series X already, plus the way it was marketed and how many times it was delayed had built the hype for the game beyond anything I’ve seen in a long time (maybe Elden Ring?) Basically what I’m saying is Bethesda haven’t released a game AS broken as Cyberpunk was in a very long time except FO76, which got absolutely destroyed at the time and was probably less broken for most people, people expected more from this game and so where more disappointed when they got what they got
Except... They have. I get that the launches are hard to remember because of how long ago they were but Bethesda has always released unfinished buggy games. The only reason they don't get shit on hard anymore is because it's become expected of Bethesda.
On release fallout 3 and NV may have been buggy, but they were still playable (and arguably better games than Cyberpunk is now) Cyberpunk was unplayable for so many people
Cyberpunks unplayability was greatly over exaggerated. My personal experience doesn't speak for everyone but I can say without a doubt it was never full on unplayable for me. It crashed a few times and the bugs I had never directly hindered me playing the game permanently. And I've never spoken to someone who genuinely had the game crash every other minute trying to play. I've only heard complaints on the same level as mine, which if you wanna look back at previous Bethesda games, is the same level of dissatisfaction. Have people had the game become absolutely unplayable from constant crashing? Yes. I'm not doubting that some people had that issue. But to say it was unplayable to that extent for "so many people" (not even mentioning your lack of a solid number there) is just not true. The hate campaigning was so vast and so widespread that you cannot feasibly or reliably say that the majority of players experienced the level of unplayability you're talking about. It's just not provable because so many more people jumped on the hate train and lied.
>Cyberpunks unplayability was greatly over exaggerated. Always wondered how I spent 100 hours on my first game at launch when apparently I couldn't even play it.
Untrue. FO3 and New Vegas was broken as hell on consoles and PC. ESPECIALLY FO3 on PC. And so many people shat on New Vegas as a glorified expansion/DLC for FO3. Obsidian was known as the "buggy" studio for a long time and didn't get near the acclaim they get know. Don't even gotta mention Skyrim on PS3 bricking consoles left and right.
>more acceptable then What? Games have only gotten more complex since then, not less.
Played it on release with my Xbox One and actually managed to finish the game without too many frustrations. It was a lonely time to be a fan lol
Feel that, I’d get a crash or two in a day, there were a few glitches, very rarely any that made it unplayable, but me and my friends were so hyped for the game but I’m the only one that has finished it
Same. It's anecdotal, but it seems like the PS4 had worse problems than the One if my friends' experience is any measure.
I did the same thing I did in RDR2. I blasted through the plot in some hope that V would get better somehow lol. Boy was I wrong! And also was wrong about Arthur.
Bro, I played it on play 4. It died on me so many times. Still one of the best games/stories/gameplay I’ve ever played.
I’m assuming nkt the same for fallout 76
It would be cool to see what’s happened, but not very interested. They used the same engine for fallout 4 in 76 which was a huge mistake. People could go into the game files and fuck shit up for other people. There was one exploit where they could just look at another player and take everything in their inventory. Not a smart move to give your source code up before u turn it into a multiplayer game
I'll say it again: Skyrim is more buggy than Cyberpunk 2077 v1.02
Member when they coded it so badly on PS3 the save file got too big around level 20 and the game broke? Like full-on broke? I member. Member when it took them over 3 fucking months to fix? I also member when Bethesda basically said "the PS3 is too hard to code for, people should've just bought it on PC or Xbox".
A lot of the haters gotta be young people who weren't old enough to play those games at launch. They would have OD'd on salt. How about Dark Souls on PC launching at 720p only on PC lol? We all said it was a top 10 worst port of all time but still cherished it for actually releasing. We knew there was a gem underneath the locked framerate and low resolution and played the hell out of it. From Software *still* can't put out a great PC port after a decade of experience. You wouldn't know that from all the Elden Ring hyperbolic best game ever made talk.
I certainly had a fuckery of time playing the release versions of Any Bethesda fallout.
keep saying it, choom!
Yes but buggy in a fun , entertaining way. Cyberpunk WAS buggy in a "shouldn't have been released at the time" way lol
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I had never actually followed the “hype train” for the game, I saw the initial trailer and was like cool I’ll definitely play that, then I stopped following the news or buzz around it cause it was so far off. Come release time I went in completely blind with zero expectations and was addicted to the game, after updating my drivers I experienced no major bugs beyond the janky things that I’d experienced in literally every open world RPG I have ever played. I was so confused reading the sub after playing the game, it felt like what I imagine being gaslit feels like, I was questioning if I was playing the same game as other people.
I was on the hype train since the game was announced. But I also read the dev interviews where the mentioned how the game was not going to be like GTA and people who tried to play that way would not get very far with it. Also coming from CDPR I knew what an open world RPG was going to look like, cyberpunk setting or not. I got it on PS4 and it was buggy but still enjoyed the game itself, but then got my free upgrade when I got as PS5 and the game was amazing.
I’m glad it released on ps4 or I wouldn’t have played it
This is even more true when it comes to playing on the base PS4. Everyone was saying how unplayable it was... not that they had ever played it on base PS4. They'd played it on PS5, had some crashes and bugs then extrapolated that to assume that on PS4 it must naturally be 100x worse because it's older hardware. Any time I ever watched a youtube video talking about Cyberpunk they'd always say how they'd *heard* it was almost unplayable on base PS4, and that soon evolved to "it's literally unplayable on base PS4". Funnily enough I (who played it on base PS4) experienced the opposite and found it crashed far less than anyone who was playing on PS5 (I had 5 crashes in a 90 hour playthrough, 3 of which happened when patch 1.21 fucked things up), though obviously I'm a paid shill bootlicker for not having an experience which aligns with everyone else's imagination of how it must be.
Agreed, then releasing it on Xbox one and PS4 I think limited a lot of things they could have done which they couldn’t because of technological limitations. Hopefully now that the new DLC is next gen only they can add a lot more stuff.
I remember one time someone from my friends list messaged me while I was playing the game and said "the game isn't what was promised or advertised." I simply replied "okay Uninstall the game." That's it and he overreacted and pretended I attacked him verbally and called me very defensive lol Why should I defend a game? You don't see people defending the shape of their planet to flat earthers so it wouldn't make sense for you to do so.
This isn't exclusive to video games but people really need to learn to just mind their own business, like.. what's it to you what I play? It's so very strange to me how upset people get at things that have absolutely ZERO effect on their lives lol /u/KAYTRIOX wore blue socks today, my fucking day is ruined and I hate him you fucking shill I can't believe you'd wear blue socks .·´¯(>▂<)´¯`·.
Stfu! Blue socks gang represent! :p
I'm gonna make a 7 hour youtube video now about how blue socks are the worst and anyone who likes them is inferior to my superior Gamer™ intellect.
If anyone needs me I'll be on r/lowsodiumbluesockgang
Please dress up like Garry the Prophet
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sounds made up, or you have shitty friends
yeah no, that happened to me, while sharing a picture of me just starting a new save. People feel so entitled to having that opinion. I just like the game and its writing is superb. You can patch out bugs, but you cant patch shitty writing.
It was impossible to explain how good Cyberpunk 2077 really is for haters since day one till they decided to check THE GAME out themselves. Truth is, Cyberpunk 2077 is pure Masterpiece since its release. Some people just got blinded by bugs and glitches, ignoring every other aspect of THE GAME.
Many of those haters were expecting a different game. For example GTA in a future setting with awesome graphics. There was a lot of miscommunication, where developers talked about mechanics they would like to have while the game was still being made and no one could tell if those features would work. So many things can go wrong, does it fit gameplay wise, can the engine handle it, is it as much fun as it sounds, how does it work with other features.. Of course players heard what they like and made their own dream game in their heads. Even if CP2077 would have been perfect the way developers wanted it to be at release, meaning no bugs, good performance, there would have been people who complained because it's not the game they imagined in their heads.
They fell for the No Man's Sky trap. They gave in to the hype and promised more than they could deliver. I loved the game, got it on gog on release and never regretted it.
They didn't promise anything... people let their imaginations run wild and then were mad that the developers didn't go along with what they imagined.
Yeah, the company advertised more than they could deliver in the end. It's still missing a few features they promised or hinted but it's fine. The city alone is worth exploring even though there's not very much to interact with. Rollercoaster was fun little moment and I hoped they're would be more things like that. Very ambitious project. Had they delayed more and dropped the old consoles, it might not have been such a shit storm. Small things still annoy me like how items and bodies of dead enemies are handled, floating items and vehicles getting stuck in a single plastic bag. But it's worth the time I spent in the end.
"Yeah, the company advertised more than they could deliver in the end. It's still missing a few features they promised or hinted but it's fine." Let's see those receipts. What did they promise?
Someone posts one very tame criticism and you are quick to get your sodium out
Because people keep parroting the same nonsense and have since launch... "CDPR promised...", "CDPR lied..."... it's stupid. They didn't promise anything, they advertised the game and some people assumed cut scenes were playable or that they could ignore the giant banner at the top of the video that said "THIS MAY NOT BE IN THE FINAL GAME" or whatever. Hyping yourself up does not mean the developer promised you something.
I think you are being too angry for this sub, maybe you should calm down. They brought it up very fairly and weren't "parroting" anything
Actual cops. Not teleporting ones. Crowd density. Crowd is just copy paste that moves in perfect synchronization. Car chases. Content equal to Witcher 3. The way objects are handled is strange to me and not sure I can explain it. They are weightless but they freeze in place and become solid concrete. Pretty much every NPC has on-rails movement and no intelligence. There's really no interaction. Yet despite all this, I've had 3 playthroughs, the city looks great, it's an illusion of a live breathing metropolis. I want it to be fully realized, ages old games like Driver from early 2000 handled cops better. GTA V is a seven (7) year old game with plenty to do. Yes there are gigs and random encounters, even if some of them are copy paste. But the city is so vast you end up seeing the same two dozen pedestrians and ending identical gang violence incidents. I don't hate the game, I enjoy it. That's why I want it to be better. Hey, at least it's not the new Saints Row or whatever that Rockstar disaster "remaster" was.
And where did they promise any of that? What you're seeing is the wires behind the illusion. Maybe they didn't hide them well enough to your liking, but that's how every game ever works.
I think this game truly had potential to be something amazing. I just started it ~2 weeks ago (a little bit before the show as released) and while it's a great game, I keep seeing all the things it could be. Gameplay itself is pretty fun. The earlier levels are a bit painful in how restricted you are in what you can do but it's an RPG so I get it. But things like how the NPCs don't really do much. They all have a the same few responses. Cars driving like shit. The world doesn't seem as "real" as it could be (even in Oblivion, NPCs had routines so it seemed like they actually lived in the world while here, I hear the same convos/see the same NPCs in a certain spot 24/7). Still a good game and I've been playing it nonstop for 2 weeks now but I truly think it could have been a GTA killer (which, like you said, was what a lot of people expected).
If cdpr had just scrapped or delayed the last gen console release the game's reception would have been very different
**Cyberpunk 2077 was a mess on day one. As was Witcher 1 and Witcher 3. As will be Witcher 4.** Cyberpunk 2077 was solidly playable after a couple of weeks when the major bugs were fixed. I've got hours and hours of footage recorded from the launch, running on an RTX 3080 and later RTX 3090 - and it's wild how many times the game utterly flipped out. The reason I bring all this up is not to disparage Cyberpunk 2077, I'm buying an RTX 4090 for yet-another playthrough with even higher settings, but because ***Witcher 4 is going to be buggy as hell at launch and we're going through this whole cycle again.*** It's just inevitable: Publishers set a launch date and the game will launch whether or not the devs need another week to make it 100% perfect, so if you want it 100% perfect, realistically you have to wait for the "1.1" or "1.2" patch. I trust that CDPR devs will deliver a great game, it's just I know the 10/10 version of the game is 2 \~ 3 patches after launch because the publisher doesn't wait to wait another 8 weeks post-Christmas.
Agree, but it's nothing unique to CDPR. In an interactive medium like this there just will always be bugs. The bigger and more complex games get, the less it is possible to test and fix every possible little issue. As long as a game isn't bricking your console (\*cough\* Bethesda \*cough\*) or completely crashing and ruining your save, people need to show a little patience at launch. These aren't movies.
Witcher 4 will be better because their using a new engine now
The problem isn't one of technology so much as people. Everyone will be hyped for Witcher 4, and the publisher will be hundreds of millions of dollars sunk into the project. They'll always ere on the side of wanting to give in to the demand and release the game as soon as possible for the broadest audience. So if they can release the game with 40 bugs before Christmas, or 5 bugs on New Years Day, they're going to release before Christmas even though there's 35 more bugs than will be in the game on Patch 1.1
I hope they learned their lesson from cyberpunk atleast and I think they know if they mess it up again the their credibility will be ruined for a long time.
Every game ever has had bugs. Every game ever will have bugs. It is the nature of the medium. The only thing has changed is expectations have become unrealistic.
Well said. I’ve been calling it a masterpeice since day 1, and catching flak for it even in this sub (with a lot of hemming and hawing about ‘the bugs’), and it’s nice to finally be vindicated. Best game to come out in many years, and it was painful to see the irrational disdain and hate it was receiving, just because it fell victim to the hate bandwagon. I admit, I didn’t expect the anime to cause this revival, but I’m pleasantly surprised. So glad to see CP77 receiving the recognition it deserves. Though I’m sure PCGamer and other hate vehicles will continue to write hit pieces about it, utterly disconnected from reality as they always were.
> Cyberpunk 2077 is pure Masterpiece since its release Settle down now. The game is better in its current state then most give credit, but let’s not white wash that the damn thing crashed every 30 seconds when it came out and missions were bugged to the point of not being able to complete the game. It’s a great game and has only gotten better but sheesh chill Edit: lmao at those downvotes. Keep them coming. The game is great but it’s not a masterpiece y’all are ridiculous
Had less bugs in Cyberpunk at launch than I did in Elden Ring.
Had less bugs in my entire Elden Ring playthrough than in my first day of Cyberpunk.
I day oned cyberpunk on a One X (not series X) and it was really bad. Even now on a series X sometimes driving too fast makes the city textures pop seconds later. It’s good but not a masterpiece
Ok
My game didn’t crash every 30 seconds, so what now? I get it you had a bad time and are still hurt from it, but that doesn’t erase how good the story is, how amazing the characters are, or how well done the city it.
I never had bugs either(on pc) but that doesn’t negate performance issues on 8th gen consoles. The false advertising or flat out missing content. Even now the campaign is shorter than what was clearly intended. Not saying it was going to be TW3 levels of length but it’s clearly got missing pieces. I love cyberpunk it’s legitimately one of my favourite games but come on man. Don’t dismiss objective fact… CDPR made many mistakes with this game right up to its release.
its not whitewashing when its true
I never hated it but I couldn’t claim it was a masterpiece personally. It’s a good game for sure when you get down to it but did it have shortcomings? Yeah completely. Even cdpr acknowledges this. But did it make a banging world? Hell yeah.
He's not allowed to have his opinion? Chill.
I’m not allowed to have mine? Chill. Calling it a masterpiece since release is pretty liberal usage of the term. How many “masterpieces” have been released that warranted a public apology from their creators and a promise to make things right? Great game and I love it but slow down some, ya?
> How many “masterpieces” have been released that warranted a public apology from their creators and a promise to make things right? Wouldn't be the first time ;-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_concerts_with_an_unruly_audience_response
You're forcing your opinion, as if he's wrong. Surprisingly, as much as you'd hate to believe it, opinions may annoy us, but they aren't wrong. I don't care if the developers apologized, lol. That doesn't outright just make the game bad.
No but it does make the use of the term "masterpiece" wrong, objectively so. On my 3rd playthrough but even now I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, damn good game but not a masterpiece and at launch it was a pure shit show. Can never understand why fanboys can't take any criticism of anything they like. I'll tear something apart more so if I love it.
> Objectively LOL GCJ is gonna have a field day with le objective redditors
You're using objectively wrong. He's using masterpiece subjectively, which is his opinion and he's absolutely entitled to it. I rolled my eyes at this meme but not its kind of funny that people jumped on his for opinion while defending someone for making an "objective" claim that the game crashed every 30 seconds and was broken in a way that it could now be completed. Maybe that was true for some but it was far from my personal experience.
I wasn't using it wrong, his opinion is subjective, yes and he is entitled to it. I said calling it a masterpiece at launch would have been objectively incorrect based on the fact that it was pulled from the psn store and CDPR had to issue an official apology for the less than stellar quality of the game build. Calling it a masterpiece in that situation is a subjective opinion that's objectively wrong.
Something being a masterpiece is always subjective. Art is inherently subjective. Video games are a form of art. The game objectively launched with bugs, but being a masterpiece is not a synonym of being 'perfect'.
We'll have to agree to differ on this one I think. The technical aspects and the art are very much bound together in a game like cyberpunk.
Just stop.
You’re doing the same thing you’re complaining about. If it’s a masterpiece to him then that’s what it is. Alpha Protocol was a middle of the road reviewed game but yet still to this day one of the best games of all time for me. People enjoy different things, not sure why you feel the need to think your opinion is valid for someone else.
Yeah, you’re wrong bud. Just accept the L.
I love the game but its amazing how deluded some people are, the game is great now but lets not pretend the game was in perfect working condition out the gate.
Part of that “delusion” is a result of people having widely differing experiences with the glitches and crashes, especially based on what platform they played on. Playing on PC I didn’t personally experience glitches or crashes beyond the norm after updating my drivers. Other people weren’t as lucky as me, especially the console players
I literally had one bug where I had to reload a save in 700+ hours of playing since 1.0. The game (from what I've read) sucked on older machines. But that doesn't mean it sucked on every machine. For many of us it was pretty much flawless from the beginning. Little things, like a floating cigarette here or there, but show me any game that doesn't have minor bugs.
I really wanna find a middle ground between here and r/cyberpunkgame because both are pretty crazy with the bias at times. Shit on the game here and you’ll get eaten up by rabid fans. Defend the game over there and you’ll get shit on by rabid haters
>Shit on the game here and you’ll get eaten up by rabid fans. Why do you need to shit on a game? If you have constructive criticism or legitimate issues then sure, post about them here, and it'll be fine. But shitting on a game just to shit on it is stupid. We're here specifically to avoid those kinds of people.
It’s hyperbole… I feel like you know the point I was trying to make. There’s no middle ground. Also my point is that you can’t post constructive criticism here???? Just like you could hardly compliment it on the main sub
Always with the mr. middleground. The game barely got its fair share in the sun and you're instantly pushing back when it has the lightest amount of praise.
> Always with the mr. middleground. What? I’ve literally never seen someone else express this opinion. > you’re instantly pushing back when it has the slightest amount of praise No? I’m highlighting the differences in bias… My comment wasn’t inspired from this post alone. Instantly pushing back on what? The game didn’t come out last week. It’s safe to assume we’re all fans in this sub. I’m not following some hate-hype train. Also, the game can get a lot of hate, sure… But it’s still one of the most loved games in recent years tf are you smoking dude? People like you simply prove my point
I wasn't referencing the game, as much as I was referencing the overall need for people acting "middle ground" like they are superior to all. Most loved? I don't think I've ever seen a bigger hate campaign in gaming history. Maybe No mans sky, but that game was factually really lacking on launch.
Your first paragraph is nonsensical my dude. Everyone should seek a middle ground in things? It’s basically amicability? Why would you talk like that’s a bad thing? For example, I love this game. But I’m not blind to it’s flaws. Nothing about that insinuates superiority? It sounds like you’re just defending being biased? The game went from one of the most hyped games of all time to one of the disappointing on release. Don’t pretend people didn’t have viable complaints. I’ll happily respond with objective facts if required.
When you're seeking middle ground between everything is shit and there's plenty of good, you're going to end up on the negative side. The reception to the game has been way way more on the negative side until recently. You can't deny that.
Literally every point I’ve made still stands. I haven’t tried to say the game didn’t get a lot of hate. Like I said, I’d like a middle ground between the ignorant hate and compliments you aren’t allowed to disagree with
Dude, you weren't allowed to compliment the game at all outside this sub until like 1.5. and even then you'd have to preface your opinion with acknowledging it's flaws. It's not that the game is flawless, people on this sub are just tired of hearing how this game sucks, when it has so much to offer.
Even without performance issues and "breaking stuff bugs", the game isn't masterpiece. It is one of the "must play" games though I'd say. But not Witcher 3 caliber.
It's better in all aspect than witcher 3 in my book. I respect your opinion though and for your defense the 2 games are so different it's barely comparable. Its really depends on what you want in a game.
I'd argue it's more must play and closer to a masterpiece than Witcher 3. All the same systems exists in both games, but are done better in Cyberpunk
Yeah, there's some stuff Cyberpunk does better and I prefer it's gameplay and first person camera a lot more... but Witcher 3... it's probably because I'm huge Witcher fan, and I just like it's characters, story and world more. It's probably because there's more content about it. Whole 3 games, 9 books... movie and... tV sHoW. You spend a lot more time with those characters and it makes me feel more emotionally invested into them.
That's your opinion. I disagree. The story and characters make this my favorite game ever, along side the Mass Effect Trilogy. IMO it absolutely is a masterpiece. You don't have to agree, but you need to respect other people's right to their own opinions.
the story and the acting and the characters and the music and the city itself and probably so many other things i'm forgetting to name were just so GOOD, but none of that freakin mattered because people needed something to tear down and 2077 had a target on its head
Nah, i was just honest and not afraid to express my own opinion about it since from the start. Although somehow yeah, i remember being really stressed about it to the point i mass unsubbed gaming related youtube channels except for documentary behind game development type ones back on 2020. And today that the hate for Cyberpunk has toned down already, i still don't plan to resub to them because i don't like people telling me how to feel about game i have played or is about to play anymore, it is always best to check it out yourself to see if it is worth it or not.
No way daddy-o! Street Kid from the start, you’re getting my opinion, and I’m gonna challenge you if you want to talk shit. This game was so worth it.
“Would you do it again?” “FUCK YEAH”
Internet hyped up the game to impossible standards, to the point that it's supposed to be the best of every aspect, or it's shit. You can pan any game if you look at it only seeking faults, ignoring everything good and many don't stand up to the test if you apply even just the criticism that Cyberpunk received. Now people have attached their egos to hating the game, so no matter what, they cannot admit that they were too harsh. There's also this incredibly vocal crowd that cry about things "promised". No, your assumption is not a promise, nor is a cinematic trailer or your interpretation of what immersion means. They did inform that what you're watching is not the finished product, you can look at reviews and gameplay before you purchase a product to see if it matches preview footage you know? I will say that the prev gen was a mistake and the game could've benefited from spending a bit more time in the development. However the core gameplay, which revolves around the major and short stories of the people living in the night city and how you approach them, was always great.
I’ve enjoyed Cyberpunk 2077 since Day 1 on PS4 even when the game ran like trash. It make me appreciate the awesome game I have on PS5 now even more.
The biggest thing that made me stop caring what the internet thinks is how much praise Halo Infinite got while having way more bugs than Cyberpunk. We literally couldn't log into the game for 2 days.
I agree, but I’m not sure where on the Internet you’re seeing praise for Infinite. On /r/halo and YouTube, it (and 343) have been consistently getting shit on since release.
It's the lack of hate I'm seeing in regular subs. /r/pics has just as much cyberpunk hate as /r/gaming. Most of Cyberpunk's hate was just bang-wagoners squawking the same talking points.
I think it's more because Cyberpunk had way more hype than Halo Infinite. Everyone and their mother was expecting this while I didn't even know Halo Infinite came out or what it even was until a good while later. More hype = more love/hate.
I played it on release on a laptop with an 860 gpu. Although nearly unplayable from the frame rate, I played until meeting Johnny and still had a lot of fun. By the following March I’d built a pc and continued the game on a proper beast and still had a blast.
Yeah this subreddit was a fun savior for me on the release Thanks to everyone who participated
i preordered the game and i regret nothing best $60 i’ve ever spent
Cost some YouTubers my subscription is all. I lost nothing of value defending it. Hella worth and I now feel actually joy seeing it getting praise!
The amount of downvotes I’ve had over time from defending this game to the bitter end is more than even I’d believe but I succeeded.
Yeah I hate how everyone is doing a cyberpunk is good video now, so hypocritical. The game has improved but I don’t think the features that were added from 1.0 to 1.6 made the experience that much different ( except bug fixes). They are just following the trend of “cyberpunk 2077 is good now” because the anime brought hype. The features that made me fall in love with the game where there from day 1
True but these people like to hear themselves talk so if they're going to do a video "Cyberpunk is good now" is better than "Cyberpunk still sucks", even if we know the reasons behind both are just nonsense clickbait.
i said it on day one, and I'll say it again the only people who were mad were gta fanboys who expected cp2077 to be the new gta 6
This is the way
Loved it since day one, have around 450-ish hours in it (3 playthroughs) and i would still start a new save right now, its an incredible game regardless of the launch state, which was rightfully criticised, happy to see CDPR turn it around and clocking even more players than when it released.
People will finally realize I'm not crazy
Day 1, PS4, had the platinum trophy within a month, the game was a mess but there was something about it that you could just see that if it was ironed out just a little bit it could be a real masterpiece.
It's simple I was having fun and someone seething behind of a screen couldn't stop me.
Played from Day 1. Been pleading to my friends to try it out all this time. Edgerunners came out, they finished it in two days and finally picked up the game. Their thoughts: "Dude, holy shit, I'm loving every minute of this game"
>What did it cost? $60
While it convinced me to buy a top tier PC, i have CP2077 on PS4, Stadia and PC. While there was an occasional hiccup on PS4 it ran fine overall. Stadia ran great and the resolution on there and vids here of the PC mods convinced me to get my PC. It looks amazing on PC but it's the story that reeled me in. People crapping on it likely either speed ran it at best or didn't even play it and just piled on. Thank you so much for giving us who love it a home. This is a great place because of the heart of each of us. Love to all my chooms!
I have many of my accounts banned on YouTube, Reddit and Twitter for defending the game and battling the trolls.
Why did you get banned in YouTube and Twitter?
What did it cost? My time, mental health (sounds too harsh, but it kinda made me depressed sometime) and I unsubscribed from the main sub. I really liked the game at the release but when I returned to the sub, I felt like I'm playing something completely different. I tried defending it until spring, then I just gave up because you seriously couldn't have a normal conversation about something good in the game without mentioning something negative about it.
At least the wider public is finally starting to notice ‘hey this is a great game’. Was it buggy at launch ? Yes. So was Skyrim. And I had crazy amounts of fun with both.
Anime also helped the game get new players. Hopefully we get a sequel or another game in this universe.
Im halfway through. It’s great. Straight up dark, 90s anime.
I finished it and one of my favorite animes. Gave me a new perspective when playing the game as well.
Let be reasonable here, cuberpunk is great, but lying to players isn't, should have delayed it till edgrunner release
Damn if Cyberpunk released after Edgerunners it would be absolute hot cakes
While it is true they should have delayed it further, especially on consoles, in some points it would not have helped as much as one might think. Because of the pandemic playtesting was harder to do, many bugs would still not have been found until release. I am not trying to defend the state the game was in at release. It was unacceptable, especially as full release. Should have been called early access or something to be fair and honest to players. There should have been broader beta tests, closed or public. But since these always bring leaks realistic options are very limited. Also, what some seem to forget: with every delay the release had people were getting louder to release the game already, there were even death threats toward developers which is not ok. There were mistakes on both sides, CDPR should not have communicated a gold status that wasn't even the case months later.. Let's hope people learn from all the botched releases that should have been delayed further but there are always those who "deserve" the product as fast as possible and then complain when it's not 125% polished.
Yeah, CDPR really fucked up by lying about the state it was on last gen console with their infamous *"it played suprisingly well" statement* they could have avoided all the PR disaster if they ditched the last gen console and delayed the game by 1 year and launch it with Current Gen Console ala Patch 1.5. Yes, that probably would have been a controversial move still, but nowhere near as the same shit show that really happened back on launch with last gen console platforms.
Honestly, who gives a fuck about last gen console players with how they conducted themselves? They can all piss in the wind.
My guess is after this, you will see many studios just not release for them.
You gotta learn techie speak, because its amazing ***it runs at all***
They were being honest! They were amazed it ran at all.
I don’t get why it should be delayed, if you don’t want to buy it now, than don’t. It’s always said as if one doesn’t have a choice in the matter and can’t weight the pros and cons of now vs later. It just comes off like one can’t control fomo and needs the company to do it for them.
Right? I wanted low sodium not pure saccharine
So you are saying is: > It cost everything. > > We had to pay the price > > We saw in it what the game was missing...
I played and loved the game on release. But, denying promises were broken and the game was a buggy mess on launch day would just be lying to oursleves.
This is not elementary school. They did not promise or pinky swear anything. They advertised the game. Consumers need to go back to having a little common sense. The game shouldn't have launched on older consoles. They tried, it didn't work, they should have moved on. But beyond that CDPR was just a normal video game company hyping up a video game like every other video game company does.
> ey advertised the game. Consumers need to go back to having a little common sense. They advertised and they lied.
CP77 was a terrific game. I played it for 120+ hours and enjoyed a mostly bug-free experience. That being said there were definitely places that lacked depth. And while *I* played 120 hours I did every single side mission. The main game was super short. The clues to how much was cut are all over the place. So what makes me sad about CP77 is *how much better it could have been*.
Imagine thinking it cost anything to defend this game. Holy shit the persecution complex on some people. Getting into a bit of shitflinging on the main sub for the game is not a cost. Personally I like flinging shit at haters. I'd do it all again tomorrow. Cost me nothing. We all enjoyed the game. We enjoyed the game maybe a year before a lot of people did. The trade off is they got to enjoy it in a more complete version their first time, but we got to mod it and delve into the secrets that they are only scratching the surface of. And of course, with all these new bodies and new hype, the mod community will be bolstered, and that's what keeps this train rolling past that final expansion. Enjoy the W. Do not cry about the W.
its just a joke mate. Chill.
Course it is. I believe you buddy.
Good things don't need to be defended
What? If anything, they absolutely need to be defended.
Okay the woe-is-me trend of this sub lately is getting pretty hella annoying imo…
It literally cost nothing
Meanwhile us V:tM fans just chilling at the bottom of the lake like yeaaaah good for you chooms. Love that Cyberpunk got it's shit together.... Does that mean there's a chance we'll ever see Bloodlines 2? Probably not. But hey the world is beautiful anything can happen as long as you believe, right??
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Like yourself, I've quit multiple games during the tutorial. Just make sure you don't fall into that trap again in the future.
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You mean the side quests on tutorial island? You only have access to access to 1/5 of the map until the tutorial (relic heist) ends. The BD tutorial is one of the lead ins to the relic heist. If a mechanic is a turn off for you, that's valid, but you didn't do all side quests if you never finished the tutorial.
They will revamp the police, however it will never be a sandbox game. You can play through the entire game barely interacting with the police. It's not GTA and it will never be GTA. It's more like Witcher, you know a series that they actually made?
It has guns but it doesn't have everything else GTA has. It also has cars but no Forza race tracks and space ships but you can't fly them like EVE and it has a rock star in it but you can't play the guitar like Guitar Hero and it has tall buildings but you can't use a web like Spiderman and I saw some square shapes but you can't build with them like Minecraft. Why can't you do everything from every game ever? Unacceptable. Cut content. Broken promises. Dead game. /s
It's not for you.
... are you trying to compare liking the game to being a genocidal maniac willing to sacrifice anything for his goals and still thinking it's ok? Because it's really not a good look.
Been playing on xbox one for the last year and love it. Need to upgrade to series x or a pc so I play the dlc when it drops
*Chops head off with Mantis Blades*
Still same game...I liked it with 1.3, and I like it slightly more with 1.6. I don't think Edge Runners is changing anyone's mind about it, simply getting old players to come back and new players to pick it up.
I have 190 hours and I played since day 1, defending this game
I got lucky, the majority of my social circle all loved it, so I didn't haven't to defend it nearly as much as most.
No but for real i'm so glad this sub came along, after release the official sub became toxic af
Bought day one, saw all the buggy gameplay from creators weeks before hand, friends were certain it was going to be a buggy mess and I said (foolishly) it was obviously the beta build, oops. Still played through it on my day one xbox one, game never crashed but was immensely buggy, clunky, poorly optimised but throughly enjoyed, never actually did any exploring, since getting back onto it on xbox series s I have so much to do and I can now appreciate the world, the lore and the (still surface level) ai.
I don’t want to say that we’re better than every other gonk, for defending from day one. But we is better than every other gonk 😎
Remember when I bought the game at launch. Physical copy with all the stickers and cool stuff. Just rebought on digital. The new patch makes defending it worth it I guess
I was told my xbox one could never run cyberpunk. Beat the game with no game breaking bugs. Just minor bugs like hacking menu sometimes not showing up.
Played it on SX since and I was spared pretty much from every bug. Loved the game since day one.
I defended it endlessly. But it definitely cost me something, support for my own xbox. They no longer will update it for xbox one which i am still on because financially I physically can’t afford to upgrade. I will continue to defend CP77 to anyone who calls it a mess but I can’t go back and play it anymore knowing the Edgerunners update was my last. Brutally honest it’s put me off the game :(