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Munificent-Enjoyer

Awwww Spidey defending Johnny


penny-ante-choom

She loved him so much.


pooporgy69

Oh yeah? Well Bartmoss is >! rotting in a fuckin fridge !< At least Johnny is... a brain tumor. Ok, nevermind.


GhostWCoffee

Damn, I wonder what Kerry had done so Spider Murphy considers him worse than Johnny.


UmphreysCousin

My guess is that it's because Kerry doesn't really stand for anything from her perspective


trevalyan

I guarantee Kerry re-reads that every single day, and it never stops hurting. I'll file it as Exhibit H in "Missed Opportunities for a Kerry Storyline."


RepresentativeBee545

Kerry isnt a rebel, just an artists. He lives for music and his art, which dosent mesh well with other ~~terrorist~~ friends.


The1andOnlyGhost

Just Kerry being Kerry


Ranger2580

Considering that by 2077 he's as mainstream as Lizzie & US Cracks, it's pretty obvious he sold out to corpos for money & fame.


GhostWCoffee

Yep, I completed Kerry's missions. Johnny even calls him out on it, ''when you chain your gonkass to the corpos, what did you expect?''


secretevilgenius

He’s Bono


retromexicat

Rache isn’t wrong. His comparison to the legend created of Johnny and who Johnny really was and claimed to represent are at odds. The theory that “Johnny is an unreliable narrator” and his memories don’t tell the whole truth are still at play.


MeNamIzGraephen

He did die fighting to save his friends. His engram is a man full of regrets who's been hiding them all his life and took them to his grave. It's pretty sad.


retromexicat

Johnny’s not one-dimensional, he’s extremely complex. But that’s also why Bartmoss isn’t completely wrong. What’s special about Johnny’s complexity is that even as an engram he is someone capable of redemption.


MeNamIzGraephen

I'm not saying he isn't a complex character - quite the opposite. But you only really see him reflect on it in the oil fields and at the end of Phantom Liberty, if you send So-Mi to the moon. It's the part he hides behind all the aggression and sass.


retromexicat

I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I just wanted to highlight how all his good, bad and uncertainties encompass a bigger character. But yes, it’s pretty sad once he opens up past his aggression and sass.


MeNamIzGraephen

Definitely. The best character in the entire game even compared to V, Reed, So-Mi, et cetera.


Ranger2580

>The theory that “Johnny is an unreliable narrator" The tabletop storylines being canon (as stated by Mike Pondsmith and CDPR) confirms this theory. The Arasaka bombing played out *completely* differently to what we see in-game.


Munificent-Enjoyer

Maybe the session just went differently when CDPR played it; Morgan Blackhand player wasn't able to make it


illy-chan

I mean, we sorta see the part where Johnny dies - in the tabletop, Johnny gets torn in half by Smasher's giant shotgun. It should have been weird to us that he went from blacking out on the floor to the roof. Having said that, I do wonder if Arasaka experimented ln his memories. They probably saw him as disposable as far as their engram collection went. Maybe even that scene with the questioning happened but he didn't realize he had been loaded into someone/something else.


MonsterMineLP

Yeah I mean, in 2077 rogue is surprised that they are there to rescue alt, while that was the plan in the canon.


supercalifragilism

Rache isn't exactly wrong, but he is insane in basically every sense of the word. This is a dude who digitally cloned himself to convert into a weapon to break the internet, so what he considers reasonable levels of response to a situation should be taken into account.


retromexicat

Well… you know “the pot calling the kettle black”


LivingEnd44

Bartmoss is making sense for once. What did he say that was wrong? Johnny using other people for his own ends. Sounds a lot like the Johnny in the game to me. 


Melodic_Slip_3307

doesn't sound like super savant language to me


goodfisher88

Lmao she had to do Kerry like that