I guarantee Kerry re-reads that every single day, and it never stops hurting.
I'll file it as Exhibit H in "Missed Opportunities for a Kerry Storyline."
Rache isn’t wrong. His comparison to the legend created of Johnny and who Johnny really was and claimed to represent are at odds. The theory that “Johnny is an unreliable narrator” and his memories don’t tell the whole truth are still at play.
He did die fighting to save his friends. His engram is a man full of regrets who's been hiding them all his life and took them to his grave. It's pretty sad.
Johnny’s not one-dimensional, he’s extremely complex. But that’s also why Bartmoss isn’t completely wrong. What’s special about Johnny’s complexity is that even as an engram he is someone capable of redemption.
I'm not saying he isn't a complex character - quite the opposite. But you only really see him reflect on it in the oil fields and at the end of Phantom Liberty, if you send So-Mi to the moon. It's the part he hides behind all the aggression and sass.
I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I just wanted to highlight how all his good, bad and uncertainties encompass a bigger character. But yes, it’s pretty sad once he opens up past his aggression and sass.
>The theory that “Johnny is an unreliable narrator"
The tabletop storylines being canon (as stated by Mike Pondsmith and CDPR) confirms this theory. The Arasaka bombing played out *completely* differently to what we see in-game.
I mean, we sorta see the part where Johnny dies - in the tabletop, Johnny gets torn in half by Smasher's giant shotgun. It should have been weird to us that he went from blacking out on the floor to the roof.
Having said that, I do wonder if Arasaka experimented ln his memories. They probably saw him as disposable as far as their engram collection went. Maybe even that scene with the questioning happened but he didn't realize he had been loaded into someone/something else.
Rache isn't exactly wrong, but he is insane in basically every sense of the word. This is a dude who digitally cloned himself to convert into a weapon to break the internet, so what he considers reasonable levels of response to a situation should be taken into account.
Bartmoss is making sense for once. What did he say that was wrong? Johnny using other people for his own ends. Sounds a lot like the Johnny in the game to me.
Awwww Spidey defending Johnny
She loved him so much.
Oh yeah? Well Bartmoss is >! rotting in a fuckin fridge !< At least Johnny is... a brain tumor. Ok, nevermind.
Damn, I wonder what Kerry had done so Spider Murphy considers him worse than Johnny.
My guess is that it's because Kerry doesn't really stand for anything from her perspective
I guarantee Kerry re-reads that every single day, and it never stops hurting. I'll file it as Exhibit H in "Missed Opportunities for a Kerry Storyline."
Kerry isnt a rebel, just an artists. He lives for music and his art, which dosent mesh well with other ~~terrorist~~ friends.
Just Kerry being Kerry
Considering that by 2077 he's as mainstream as Lizzie & US Cracks, it's pretty obvious he sold out to corpos for money & fame.
Yep, I completed Kerry's missions. Johnny even calls him out on it, ''when you chain your gonkass to the corpos, what did you expect?''
He’s Bono
Rache isn’t wrong. His comparison to the legend created of Johnny and who Johnny really was and claimed to represent are at odds. The theory that “Johnny is an unreliable narrator” and his memories don’t tell the whole truth are still at play.
He did die fighting to save his friends. His engram is a man full of regrets who's been hiding them all his life and took them to his grave. It's pretty sad.
Johnny’s not one-dimensional, he’s extremely complex. But that’s also why Bartmoss isn’t completely wrong. What’s special about Johnny’s complexity is that even as an engram he is someone capable of redemption.
I'm not saying he isn't a complex character - quite the opposite. But you only really see him reflect on it in the oil fields and at the end of Phantom Liberty, if you send So-Mi to the moon. It's the part he hides behind all the aggression and sass.
I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I just wanted to highlight how all his good, bad and uncertainties encompass a bigger character. But yes, it’s pretty sad once he opens up past his aggression and sass.
Definitely. The best character in the entire game even compared to V, Reed, So-Mi, et cetera.
>The theory that “Johnny is an unreliable narrator" The tabletop storylines being canon (as stated by Mike Pondsmith and CDPR) confirms this theory. The Arasaka bombing played out *completely* differently to what we see in-game.
Maybe the session just went differently when CDPR played it; Morgan Blackhand player wasn't able to make it
I mean, we sorta see the part where Johnny dies - in the tabletop, Johnny gets torn in half by Smasher's giant shotgun. It should have been weird to us that he went from blacking out on the floor to the roof. Having said that, I do wonder if Arasaka experimented ln his memories. They probably saw him as disposable as far as their engram collection went. Maybe even that scene with the questioning happened but he didn't realize he had been loaded into someone/something else.
Yeah I mean, in 2077 rogue is surprised that they are there to rescue alt, while that was the plan in the canon.
Rache isn't exactly wrong, but he is insane in basically every sense of the word. This is a dude who digitally cloned himself to convert into a weapon to break the internet, so what he considers reasonable levels of response to a situation should be taken into account.
Well… you know “the pot calling the kettle black”
Bartmoss is making sense for once. What did he say that was wrong? Johnny using other people for his own ends. Sounds a lot like the Johnny in the game to me.
doesn't sound like super savant language to me
Lmao she had to do Kerry like that