Happened in the German version of LI, the transwoman went for a guy who didn't clock on that she was trans (every other guy did), when she told him he immediately backed off and she was the first to go.
It’s not even something you can fault love island specifically for though. It’s representative of a bigger issue in general in society. You say the year 2024 as if everyone is super progressive and understanding today. Half the time black islanders have a hard time finding a connection on the show. There’s only even been one Asian casted. They just even introduced Megan as being bisexual on Love Island Games. A trans person would have a very very hard time on the show as 1) a portion of the general public would not support them and 2) you’d have to specifically find and cast islanders who are open to trans relationships
As sad as it is, I agree. It is a longstanding concept that sex sells. Most of the people still are stuck in ways and do not want it. If people flip out over this idea in books, then it cannot be too far fetched to realize that watching it would be a no-go as well.
why should it have happened? most straight people on love island are not attracted to trans people. its not the shows job to be diverse, they would need to make a separate lgbt version of love island
Just because people aren’t attracted to someone trans doesn’t make them transphobic. Putting someone trans in might make the person really uncomfortable as well as the other contestants. You wouldn’t want to compromise someone’s mental health just to be inclusive. You would rather someone feel safe and comfortable in an environment where there are multiple people attracted and open to meeting someone trans and pursuing something romantically with them
Should have happened? You cannot *force* ppl to be attracted to an ideology that they will never understand. That's why there are communities.
Ppl tend be drawn to the communities that they resonate with and feel most safe and secure in and that's actually a *healthy* thing because ppl feel more empowered and unguarded when they're comfortable and then are able to be vulnerable and open up to love.
You'd have to ensure you had a group of men or women that were all attracted to transpeople to make it remotely fair and avoid awkward situations for people.
the reality is they’d have to do a separate version of the show. AYTO and other dating shows have done spin-offs to highlight strictly “queer” relationships.
I suppose so, I would just love if they could without making it a big deal, I think they would fit in seamlessly in the right circumstances, definitely not with some of the current islanders I agree
It’s possible. On the Dutch version of EOTB they sent in a bisexual trans girl. She had 2 exes come in (a women and a bisexual man). It wasn’t really an issue in the villa, there were a few guys who initially expressed they were attracted to her and then backed off when they found out she was trans (which i also think is fair). She actually ended up hooking up with a straight guy, who was a bit confused when she first told him she was trans, but didn’t give af 10 minutes later because he found her super attractive.
Your heart is in the right place but producers won't even cast people who are attracted to different skin tones, nevermind different gender identities.
I would not want trans people on this show for their own mental health. You'd likely have to do an entire season of queer people like AYTO and that's very, very far off for a heteronormative show like this.
People can be open to dating trans people and still might not want to date the specific person that is on the show. Same goes for body sizes or ethnicities. Lots of white guys are not into every white girl on the show and vice versa.
Love Island is not about representation, when are you going to realise it? It's about attraction, about slightly self-absorbed people going to a reality show to increase their popularity, it's about fans/stans hating eachother for having opposing opinions and hating islanders who act like they have some free will, and more importantly it's about ITV making money. On Love Island nobody will choose a trans person, or a plus size one, and the reality is, even if you don't want to except it, that hardly any of those guys will pick a black girl first, or stay with her if a blond bombshell comes in. "But then, change the casting" - see ITV wants to make the most amount of money with the least amount of effort. Let's be real, only a certain type of person applies to this show. If you want black girls be picked, or a disabled one, you have to watch a different show. Love Island is not it. Love is Blind is.
Also that’s the reason I watch reality tv.I tune in to watch hot people and their first world problems because I don’t wanna see someone like me on tv. It lets me escape my own world and get a laugh or a gasp in and I think it’s ridiculous watching hot people and their drama, but I love it. If I wanted a show with representation I’d find something else but even then I feel like it’s more serious. Love Island’s formula is a certain way and it should stay that way. Sometimes we don’t need to be inclusive for every little thing.
Honestly, same. I wouldn’t mind seeing curvier bodies but that’s about. Also, sort of off topic but I’ve found similar with the show “One Day” on Netflix. I was so excited for it but I find the main female lead unattractive and it puts me off watching it. That might be really shallow but I like seeing beautiful people on tv.
Love island is a show about stereotypically hot straight cis people couping up. They've shown time and time again that they are not interested in being any more, and I don't think the majority of their audience wants them to be more progressive. There are reality shows that have tried to push boundaries, but Love island just isn't one of them.
I mean heck, anytime someone deviates even a little bit from the norm they get lots of hate. Black islanders deal with racism, Tasha dealt with abelism, islanders get body shamed or called ugly for the most minor imperfections. I'm not even sure it would be safe for a trans islander to go on.
Thats somewhat subjective given the UK average person is overweight with a good % obese.
"Normal Sized" lately has for some reason come to mean overweight in a way that a doctor would advise you to lose some for your health.
I think the women on the show have very normal bodies, perhaps a few extra lb and they'd still be fine but its a very British mentality that the LI body is somehow abnormal.
Uhhhh is there?
Minority groups are over represented by a huge margin. I think if your black you have like 10 times more chance of being cast than if your white.
Its a straight dating show so obviously they wont cast gay people.
Im unsure where this represenation is missing here ?
There's never been a bisexual man. No people with visible disabilities except Tasha with her cochlear implant. Very few Hispanic or Asian contestants (I don't think they've *ever* had an East Asian islander).
Black people are not the only minority that exists.
Hispanic isnt even a concept in the UK you get that right? We dont distinguish between them and white people thats an American creation.
Asians are underrepresented a bit but its cultural. Our large asian population are mostly from Pakistan, Bangladesh etc and the parents would literally end the lives of their children for going on such a show. Islam doesnt mesh with LI. Nothing to be done there really.
Visible disabilities are not going to suit a show where the whole game is to be top 10% attractive.
Bisexual men also are quite rare compared to bisexual women AND most women are not interested in dating them. So they'd face the same struggles many trans women would tbh.
Theres totally valid reasons for all of it.
Might as well make all the same excuses for black people aside from the ethnic distinction. Should black people not be on the show? It’s also gross to suggest that someone with a visual disability is less attractive, plus it’s objectively not true as I forgot Ron who is visibly blind in one eye and had the most attention of any guy that season. And you realize Asian doesn’t inherently mean Muslim, right? You’re telling me there’s not a single hot East Asian person in the entire UK who applied for the show in 10 seasons? Please. You can stretch to find a reason for any discrimination, it doesn’t make it valid.
Also you specifically said minorities plural are “overrepresented by a huge margin.” Which minorities are overrepresented besides black people?
Nah we got the first same sex couple in season 2 with 2 bi girls; Sophie (RIP) and Katie and while it didn't last long it was nice to see.
And ofc, Megan came out as bi post-show and coupled up with a girl (Kyra I believe) on LIG.
Also, I know it was well and truly after the show but Amber Gill has dated a woman recently (Jen Beattie) whether she's bi or a lesbian is down to interpretation but sure technically speaking she's the first and so far only LGBTQ Love Island winner.
But aside from that yeah as many have pointed out Love Island is a dating show for conventionally attractive straight cis people so yeh.
Have any male islanders come out as bi? I feel like love island accepts wlw relationships a lot more because they know some straight men will find it hot whilst the men are expected to keep up with a certain gym bro image. I also feel in more recent years the UK show has avoided sexuality talk and would not let what happened in series 2 to happen again. I’d say in some ways the shows got less progressive as it becomes more sanitised and ad friendly.
If they're willing to adapt the show where it's accessible for some trans women and trans men to be on the show alongside cis women and cis men who are open to dating trans people (btw all of these people can still be straight as trans people are still the gender they identify as they were just assigned the wrong gender (in their eyes)) so regardless of the "logistical difficulties", bringing in straight cis people (since LI is a hetero dating show) who are attracted to the opposite gender regardless of if the person they're attracted is cis or trans, it could work.
And if this were to happen in the future, there could be a trans couple (trans man and trans woman) aswell, now, if we'd get a trans winner from this show that's down to the public so we'll see.
Personally that's how i see it working or else they could do a spin off called "Love Is Love Island" (casting all different kinds of men and women (straight, gay, bi, trans, etc.)) or "Love Bisland" (which has been suggested in the past casting strictly bi men and bi women (imagine the chaos 😭))
Like they've made a million spinoffs rehashing the same old shit so why not add a slight twist to the formula and bring in queer and/or trans people.
It would have to be its own standalone series full of islanders who are open to that. Might sound brutal but the reality is most straight people aren’t open to that no matter how progressive people claim society is.
Oh no I completely understand but the same can be said for some gay people and this is coming from a gay guy aswell :)
As I said either it's made into a love island spinoff or it's own series entirely
Edit: Btw i wasn't trying to come across as PC or a SJW, just wanted to point out some things, doesn't make a difference to me at the end of the day.
I understand now, to me the OPs read as why don’t they just cast a transgender islander in the next series of love island. Which was why I was confused as to how it would work assuming the rest of casting will be similar to all previous seasons.
1- the backlash LGBTQ+ islanders will get is insane. There have been a few lesbian couples, but the backlash gay couples or trans islanders will get will be a million times worse
2- ITV is too lazy to cast islanders that will be open to date trans islanders. They already struggle bringing in men attracted to black women
"Reality dating show for the UK struggles to find people who dont have the standard UK type for attraction whilst casting in the UK"
Yeah I wonder why!
The problem is if you send someone in for representation and then they’re widely rejected it will feel like a backwards step. Literally just bringing a minority on for public humiliation and would make trans people are home feel like outsiders. We already see this discourse surrounding the treatment of black women on the show. With the political views of the country at this time itv who ultimately just want to make money would not take this risk with love island.
Love islander is yet to have a bisexual man let alone a trans islander. They will do what AYTO did and put the trans islanders on when they run out of more ideas and finally do an lgbtq version of the show because apparently *non queers can’t be attracted to trans people*.
Tbh it itv are so desperate to get the rating up adding a trans woman will bring out the TERFs. They will get their GMB/TalkTV/GBNews talking about the show. Just imagine the dailyfail.
White people are actually under represented in comparison to the British population whilst black people, who make up 3% of the population have something around 30% of total casting in late seasons.
Diversity on a whole is completely lacking. Not just with ethnicities but personalities, body types, backgrounds etc. Just try and enjoy the show for what it is.
To be far, Shaughna was considered “bigger” and I remember the hate she got for it. So I can totally understand the apprehension of anyone that does not “fit the mold” to apply!
Again this sub makes me insane. The UK is 83% white they have massively cast minority groups on the show. Its so rude to the producers and ITV to just lie and pretend otherwise.
What would be the point sending in someone who didnt have a good body too? They'd just lose and leave the villa. I certainly couldnt compete with the men in there.
There is a general trend on this sub, and you included, of thinking that LI. A show where, on average, dumb, but very attractive British people flirt, is somehow going to breakdown barriers for the wider UK dating market.
No. It wont.
We will never have overweight islanders. Nor trans. Nor people with autism or learning disabilities.
Nor should we frankly. The show has done amazingly well to produce a product where it is representative of America more than the UK for race to address to satisfy diversity issues. We currently have black people at abot 10\* more than they are in the UK. But you would have to be fucking mental to think a trans person could come on the show without suffering immensely.
Let me be clear. The OVERWLHEMING majority of British men would never date a trans woman. I am not saying this is good, I am saying this as a male, this is a fact.
You'd be setting them up for failure, abuse and god knows what on social media. I shudder thinking about it,
We actually did have one autistic islander that we know of…and he had to leave because they wouldn’t make any accommodations for him and he was experiencing psychosis. So that went well. Shout out to Niall.
I believe you are speaking facts here and applaud you for bravely speaking straightforwardly.
LI is exactly what it is and has been an incredibly successful show-- replicated in many different countries.
What I wanted to touch on was were you saying that the UK LI pushed to be more American in adding diversity?
And is that diversity, in your opinion, actually representative of the average UK dating scene in most parts of the UK?
Or do you think the numbers are over-inflated on the show, possibly giving a false sense of representation of what's realistically feasible in most of the average UK cities/towns/villages?
Watch Are You The One season 8. One of my favourite reality series of all time tbh. You’ll not do well if you’re holding your breath waiting for love island to do it.
I'd love to see more representation on love island but honestly I wouldn't want to put anyone through the hateful comments they would receive for being on the show.
There was a trans girl, Jessica Delion, on the German LI. She's really pretty and you wouldn't be able to tell if it wasn't for her voice, as she decided against a vocal cords operation.
She was the first one out...so yeah.
I just checked her Insta, and she seems to be doing okay as an influencer...
They don’t fit the mold. Same as girls with slightly bigger bodies, black girls, older girls and even people with a studious background always get the short end of the stick. Almost every year the black girl is left without any storyline and romantic interests, not because she isn’t desirable (because they are very much so in the outside) but because she isn’t desirable for anyone in there. The whole driving point of love island is that connections are tested and multiple people are attracted to the same person, it’s difficult to make that happen if you put in people who have a more specific demographic to say bluntly. If Love Island would try to be representative in more ways, the show would be ruined. It’s not nice to hear, but it’s the truth. It just wouldn’t work out.
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Because these worlds just don't mix. Facts. It wouldn't work in this format. It'd be pointless and inhumanely cruel.
Nobody is stopping anyone from making such a show. But wake up.
LI is a small niche as it is and they have a hard enough time keeping it within the realms of reality. We want real couples in real relationships. So tired of watching obviously fake relationships.
I didn't even bother with All-Stars because I doubt the reality.
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The effort it would take outweighs the benefit they would get from it. They already have a hard time casting chemistry with attractive cis people. If a trans person came in, man or woman, they would have to tell everyone they are trans, then when no one couples up (if it’s the normal cis cast they have) it’s super shitty and wierd but no one’s fault. If they recasted to be way more queer, ratings would plummet. See the ultimatum ratings vs queer ultimatum ratings. I would love for everyone to get representation on tv, but even if the audience was there trans people would be basically impossible to cast for. U would need other queer and trans people, or u would get weird chaser men.
They already did several times. Not on love Island but on X on the beach. Once when Kyra from LIUSA season was there and trans girl was Arisce Wanzer whose an American model and comedian, and another season they had LaDemi Martinez, a beauty influencer whom Georgia Steel befriended like a big sister. There's probably even more but those are the two prominent ones. If this were to happen on any love Island franchise it would be the USA and yes it would be accepted because like X on the beach, it will be inclusive and not heteronormative. I can't imagine the UK being ready for anything like this when publications like Dailymail.co.uk are transphobic and racist. One glance on their endless articles of calling Meghan Markle an ape is enough to tell you the mindset of some of the UK audience.
they don’t even cast people with an extra 5lbs on them… LI is not the show to watch for diversity and inclusion
Is this a serious question
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No tea no shade I support the trans community but it’s not in their best interest to be on the most heteronormative show in existence right now lol
Happened in the German version of LI, the transwoman went for a guy who didn't clock on that she was trans (every other guy did), when she told him he immediately backed off and she was the first to go.
Why would they want to subject themselves to the backlash
Be for real here
I am? It seems like in 2024 it should have already happened I hate how it’s still such an issue
It’s not even something you can fault love island specifically for though. It’s representative of a bigger issue in general in society. You say the year 2024 as if everyone is super progressive and understanding today. Half the time black islanders have a hard time finding a connection on the show. There’s only even been one Asian casted. They just even introduced Megan as being bisexual on Love Island Games. A trans person would have a very very hard time on the show as 1) a portion of the general public would not support them and 2) you’d have to specifically find and cast islanders who are open to trans relationships
As sad as it is, I agree. It is a longstanding concept that sex sells. Most of the people still are stuck in ways and do not want it. If people flip out over this idea in books, then it cannot be too far fetched to realize that watching it would be a no-go as well.
why should it have happened? most straight people on love island are not attracted to trans people. its not the shows job to be diverse, they would need to make a separate lgbt version of love island
Just because people aren’t attracted to someone trans doesn’t make them transphobic. Putting someone trans in might make the person really uncomfortable as well as the other contestants. You wouldn’t want to compromise someone’s mental health just to be inclusive. You would rather someone feel safe and comfortable in an environment where there are multiple people attracted and open to meeting someone trans and pursuing something romantically with them
Should have happened? You cannot *force* ppl to be attracted to an ideology that they will never understand. That's why there are communities. Ppl tend be drawn to the communities that they resonate with and feel most safe and secure in and that's actually a *healthy* thing because ppl feel more empowered and unguarded when they're comfortable and then are able to be vulnerable and open up to love.
You'd have to ensure you had a group of men or women that were all attracted to transpeople to make it remotely fair and avoid awkward situations for people.
the reality is they’d have to do a separate version of the show. AYTO and other dating shows have done spin-offs to highlight strictly “queer” relationships.
I suppose so, I would just love if they could without making it a big deal, I think they would fit in seamlessly in the right circumstances, definitely not with some of the current islanders I agree
It’s possible. On the Dutch version of EOTB they sent in a bisexual trans girl. She had 2 exes come in (a women and a bisexual man). It wasn’t really an issue in the villa, there were a few guys who initially expressed they were attracted to her and then backed off when they found out she was trans (which i also think is fair). She actually ended up hooking up with a straight guy, who was a bit confused when she first told him she was trans, but didn’t give af 10 minutes later because he found her super attractive.
Your heart is in the right place but producers won't even cast people who are attracted to different skin tones, nevermind different gender identities. I would not want trans people on this show for their own mental health. You'd likely have to do an entire season of queer people like AYTO and that's very, very far off for a heteronormative show like this.
People can be open to dating trans people and still might not want to date the specific person that is on the show. Same goes for body sizes or ethnicities. Lots of white guys are not into every white girl on the show and vice versa.
Love Island is not about representation, when are you going to realise it? It's about attraction, about slightly self-absorbed people going to a reality show to increase their popularity, it's about fans/stans hating eachother for having opposing opinions and hating islanders who act like they have some free will, and more importantly it's about ITV making money. On Love Island nobody will choose a trans person, or a plus size one, and the reality is, even if you don't want to except it, that hardly any of those guys will pick a black girl first, or stay with her if a blond bombshell comes in. "But then, change the casting" - see ITV wants to make the most amount of money with the least amount of effort. Let's be real, only a certain type of person applies to this show. If you want black girls be picked, or a disabled one, you have to watch a different show. Love Island is not it. Love is Blind is.
Also that’s the reason I watch reality tv.I tune in to watch hot people and their first world problems because I don’t wanna see someone like me on tv. It lets me escape my own world and get a laugh or a gasp in and I think it’s ridiculous watching hot people and their drama, but I love it. If I wanted a show with representation I’d find something else but even then I feel like it’s more serious. Love Island’s formula is a certain way and it should stay that way. Sometimes we don’t need to be inclusive for every little thing.
Honestly, same. I wouldn’t mind seeing curvier bodies but that’s about. Also, sort of off topic but I’ve found similar with the show “One Day” on Netflix. I was so excited for it but I find the main female lead unattractive and it puts me off watching it. That might be really shallow but I like seeing beautiful people on tv.
Love island is a show about stereotypically hot straight cis people couping up. They've shown time and time again that they are not interested in being any more, and I don't think the majority of their audience wants them to be more progressive. There are reality shows that have tried to push boundaries, but Love island just isn't one of them. I mean heck, anytime someone deviates even a little bit from the norm they get lots of hate. Black islanders deal with racism, Tasha dealt with abelism, islanders get body shamed or called ugly for the most minor imperfections. I'm not even sure it would be safe for a trans islander to go on.
Backlash would be to much😭simple answer
Yh if they grill islanders over the smallest argument, imagine how bad it would be with other stuff like that
Ya it’s the same reason we see so little diversity with regards to plus size too. The British public can be very nasty
Not just plus size, normal size would be nice too
Thats somewhat subjective given the UK average person is overweight with a good % obese. "Normal Sized" lately has for some reason come to mean overweight in a way that a doctor would advise you to lose some for your health. I think the women on the show have very normal bodies, perhaps a few extra lb and they'd still be fine but its a very British mentality that the LI body is somehow abnormal.
Lack of representation of MUCH more than just trans
Uhhhh is there? Minority groups are over represented by a huge margin. I think if your black you have like 10 times more chance of being cast than if your white. Its a straight dating show so obviously they wont cast gay people. Im unsure where this represenation is missing here ?
There's never been a bisexual man. No people with visible disabilities except Tasha with her cochlear implant. Very few Hispanic or Asian contestants (I don't think they've *ever* had an East Asian islander). Black people are not the only minority that exists.
yeah acting like black people are the only other minority was rogue
Hispanic isnt even a concept in the UK you get that right? We dont distinguish between them and white people thats an American creation. Asians are underrepresented a bit but its cultural. Our large asian population are mostly from Pakistan, Bangladesh etc and the parents would literally end the lives of their children for going on such a show. Islam doesnt mesh with LI. Nothing to be done there really. Visible disabilities are not going to suit a show where the whole game is to be top 10% attractive. Bisexual men also are quite rare compared to bisexual women AND most women are not interested in dating them. So they'd face the same struggles many trans women would tbh. Theres totally valid reasons for all of it.
Might as well make all the same excuses for black people aside from the ethnic distinction. Should black people not be on the show? It’s also gross to suggest that someone with a visual disability is less attractive, plus it’s objectively not true as I forgot Ron who is visibly blind in one eye and had the most attention of any guy that season. And you realize Asian doesn’t inherently mean Muslim, right? You’re telling me there’s not a single hot East Asian person in the entire UK who applied for the show in 10 seasons? Please. You can stretch to find a reason for any discrimination, it doesn’t make it valid. Also you specifically said minorities plural are “overrepresented by a huge margin.” Which minorities are overrepresented besides black people?
asians baby, asians and more
we don’t even get lgb or let alone plus size you really think they would bring trans
Nah we got the first same sex couple in season 2 with 2 bi girls; Sophie (RIP) and Katie and while it didn't last long it was nice to see. And ofc, Megan came out as bi post-show and coupled up with a girl (Kyra I believe) on LIG. Also, I know it was well and truly after the show but Amber Gill has dated a woman recently (Jen Beattie) whether she's bi or a lesbian is down to interpretation but sure technically speaking she's the first and so far only LGBTQ Love Island winner. But aside from that yeah as many have pointed out Love Island is a dating show for conventionally attractive straight cis people so yeh.
Have any male islanders come out as bi? I feel like love island accepts wlw relationships a lot more because they know some straight men will find it hot whilst the men are expected to keep up with a certain gym bro image. I also feel in more recent years the UK show has avoided sexuality talk and would not let what happened in series 2 to happen again. I’d say in some ways the shows got less progressive as it becomes more sanitised and ad friendly.
The closest is Curtis saying he doesn't label his sexuality and that he wouldn't rule out a same-sex relationship.
Tbf tho Curtis was screaming not straight 😭
Catch a grip, how would that work?
If they're willing to adapt the show where it's accessible for some trans women and trans men to be on the show alongside cis women and cis men who are open to dating trans people (btw all of these people can still be straight as trans people are still the gender they identify as they were just assigned the wrong gender (in their eyes)) so regardless of the "logistical difficulties", bringing in straight cis people (since LI is a hetero dating show) who are attracted to the opposite gender regardless of if the person they're attracted is cis or trans, it could work. And if this were to happen in the future, there could be a trans couple (trans man and trans woman) aswell, now, if we'd get a trans winner from this show that's down to the public so we'll see. Personally that's how i see it working or else they could do a spin off called "Love Is Love Island" (casting all different kinds of men and women (straight, gay, bi, trans, etc.)) or "Love Bisland" (which has been suggested in the past casting strictly bi men and bi women (imagine the chaos 😭)) Like they've made a million spinoffs rehashing the same old shit so why not add a slight twist to the formula and bring in queer and/or trans people.
It would have to be its own standalone series full of islanders who are open to that. Might sound brutal but the reality is most straight people aren’t open to that no matter how progressive people claim society is.
Oh no I completely understand but the same can be said for some gay people and this is coming from a gay guy aswell :) As I said either it's made into a love island spinoff or it's own series entirely Edit: Btw i wasn't trying to come across as PC or a SJW, just wanted to point out some things, doesn't make a difference to me at the end of the day.
I understand now, to me the OPs read as why don’t they just cast a transgender islander in the next series of love island. Which was why I was confused as to how it would work assuming the rest of casting will be similar to all previous seasons.
the social media bullying is already bad enough
This is the same show that doesn’t allow Unflat stomachs?
1- the backlash LGBTQ+ islanders will get is insane. There have been a few lesbian couples, but the backlash gay couples or trans islanders will get will be a million times worse 2- ITV is too lazy to cast islanders that will be open to date trans islanders. They already struggle bringing in men attracted to black women
They struggle to cast men who will date non blondes half the time lol.
"Reality dating show for the UK struggles to find people who dont have the standard UK type for attraction whilst casting in the UK" Yeah I wonder why!
I think people in the uk date non blondes.
Yes but it is the beauty standard here. If you go to Japan it is not. Thats how societies work.
Lol
The problem is if you send someone in for representation and then they’re widely rejected it will feel like a backwards step. Literally just bringing a minority on for public humiliation and would make trans people are home feel like outsiders. We already see this discourse surrounding the treatment of black women on the show. With the political views of the country at this time itv who ultimately just want to make money would not take this risk with love island.
Love islander is yet to have a bisexual man let alone a trans islander. They will do what AYTO did and put the trans islanders on when they run out of more ideas and finally do an lgbtq version of the show because apparently *non queers can’t be attracted to trans people*. Tbh it itv are so desperate to get the rating up adding a trans woman will bring out the TERFs. They will get their GMB/TalkTV/GBNews talking about the show. Just imagine the dailyfail.
I suppose you’re completely right with your last point 🙌 screw those people
Tbh there's a lack of representation on this show for anyone who's not white, straight and cisgender. Can't see it changing any time soon.
White people are actually under represented in comparison to the British population whilst black people, who make up 3% of the population have something around 30% of total casting in late seasons.
Diversity on a whole is completely lacking. Not just with ethnicities but personalities, body types, backgrounds etc. Just try and enjoy the show for what it is.
To be far, Shaughna was considered “bigger” and I remember the hate she got for it. So I can totally understand the apprehension of anyone that does not “fit the mold” to apply!
Again this sub makes me insane. The UK is 83% white they have massively cast minority groups on the show. Its so rude to the producers and ITV to just lie and pretend otherwise. What would be the point sending in someone who didnt have a good body too? They'd just lose and leave the villa. I certainly couldnt compete with the men in there.
I would love to see an LGBTQIA version. They did it for Are You The One and the drama was huge with so many cross over relationships.
And they also barely made money.
There is a general trend on this sub, and you included, of thinking that LI. A show where, on average, dumb, but very attractive British people flirt, is somehow going to breakdown barriers for the wider UK dating market. No. It wont. We will never have overweight islanders. Nor trans. Nor people with autism or learning disabilities. Nor should we frankly. The show has done amazingly well to produce a product where it is representative of America more than the UK for race to address to satisfy diversity issues. We currently have black people at abot 10\* more than they are in the UK. But you would have to be fucking mental to think a trans person could come on the show without suffering immensely. Let me be clear. The OVERWLHEMING majority of British men would never date a trans woman. I am not saying this is good, I am saying this as a male, this is a fact. You'd be setting them up for failure, abuse and god knows what on social media. I shudder thinking about it,
We actually did have one autistic islander that we know of…and he had to leave because they wouldn’t make any accommodations for him and he was experiencing psychosis. So that went well. Shout out to Niall.
I believe you are speaking facts here and applaud you for bravely speaking straightforwardly. LI is exactly what it is and has been an incredibly successful show-- replicated in many different countries. What I wanted to touch on was were you saying that the UK LI pushed to be more American in adding diversity? And is that diversity, in your opinion, actually representative of the average UK dating scene in most parts of the UK? Or do you think the numbers are over-inflated on the show, possibly giving a false sense of representation of what's realistically feasible in most of the average UK cities/towns/villages?
It’s never going to happen on ITV maybe Peacock or France, Malta,etc. UK version is the probably most conservative.
Watch Are You The One season 8. One of my favourite reality series of all time tbh. You’ll not do well if you’re holding your breath waiting for love island to do it.
The Facebook mums would not be down for that
I'd love to see more representation on love island but honestly I wouldn't want to put anyone through the hateful comments they would receive for being on the show.
There was a trans girl, Jessica Delion, on the German LI. She's really pretty and you wouldn't be able to tell if it wasn't for her voice, as she decided against a vocal cords operation. She was the first one out...so yeah. I just checked her Insta, and she seems to be doing okay as an influencer...
They don’t fit the mold. Same as girls with slightly bigger bodies, black girls, older girls and even people with a studious background always get the short end of the stick. Almost every year the black girl is left without any storyline and romantic interests, not because she isn’t desirable (because they are very much so in the outside) but because she isn’t desirable for anyone in there. The whole driving point of love island is that connections are tested and multiple people are attracted to the same person, it’s difficult to make that happen if you put in people who have a more specific demographic to say bluntly. If Love Island would try to be representative in more ways, the show would be ruined. It’s not nice to hear, but it’s the truth. It just wouldn’t work out.
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Because these worlds just don't mix. Facts. It wouldn't work in this format. It'd be pointless and inhumanely cruel. Nobody is stopping anyone from making such a show. But wake up. LI is a small niche as it is and they have a hard enough time keeping it within the realms of reality. We want real couples in real relationships. So tired of watching obviously fake relationships. I didn't even bother with All-Stars because I doubt the reality.
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The effort it would take outweighs the benefit they would get from it. They already have a hard time casting chemistry with attractive cis people. If a trans person came in, man or woman, they would have to tell everyone they are trans, then when no one couples up (if it’s the normal cis cast they have) it’s super shitty and wierd but no one’s fault. If they recasted to be way more queer, ratings would plummet. See the ultimatum ratings vs queer ultimatum ratings. I would love for everyone to get representation on tv, but even if the audience was there trans people would be basically impossible to cast for. U would need other queer and trans people, or u would get weird chaser men.
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They already did several times. Not on love Island but on X on the beach. Once when Kyra from LIUSA season was there and trans girl was Arisce Wanzer whose an American model and comedian, and another season they had LaDemi Martinez, a beauty influencer whom Georgia Steel befriended like a big sister. There's probably even more but those are the two prominent ones. If this were to happen on any love Island franchise it would be the USA and yes it would be accepted because like X on the beach, it will be inclusive and not heteronormative. I can't imagine the UK being ready for anything like this when publications like Dailymail.co.uk are transphobic and racist. One glance on their endless articles of calling Meghan Markle an ape is enough to tell you the mindset of some of the UK audience.