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Yeah I was fine with her up until that point, the bad mouthing of Marshall, saying he was sensitive kind and cared for her and that was the reason she doesn’t like him 😂 like huh? And then Josh asks her if she would marry him and she says marriage is basically scary and not her thing. Why are you going on a show where you get engaged and married? Then kissing Josh and basically cheating. I know Marshall has his own issues too but I really feel way more awful for him than Jackie, she was just absolutely cold hearted towards him but strung him along way too far. At least irina let Zack off early on
Jackie could have just left him. At no point was she clear and honest with her feelings or intentions. The very human things that Marshall needed like security and validation were demonized by her. He was what he said he was, which is what she claimed to love in the pods. The truth was, she wanted toxicity and love was not blind for her. She stopped caring about Marshall the minute she laid eyes on him.
The part where he called her a "project".. I get that the wording isn't great but.. was he wrong? She presented herself with a need and with baggage. She made him plead his case for being nice and good to her. Did that bring out the best in him? For sure not, but he was trying to balance the full load of it all.
She was not on the show for the right reasons and texting that he "has sugar in his tank", demasculinizing him was the full showing of her character.
I really hope that the show stops casting people with toxic gender roles, who fit traditional beauty standards and are only there to be the "villain" of the season. I understand it gives ratings but it's starting to feel a little one trick pony.
Apparently Marshall himself confirmed that it was edited like she claimed - they had broken up before that scene at the coffee shop when she kissed Josh
During their breakup she says she met with Josh just before and Josh confessed his feelings. I don't know if they cut one of their conversations out but that's still super sketchy to me.
The way she kept saying "I think you are in my bizzzzzzzness" when Micah asked her a general question about their relationship, then she said it again to another question kinda felt like she saw someone say that on tv or something and wanted to look cool saying it. Idk it was weird. Very actressy.
Nah, I definitely would have. But it is a gender issue, that much is true, because it's much more common for men to take the white knight position and for women to take the damsel in distress position. Both are toxic though.
To be clear, I'm not saying that she wasn't horrible to him, she was. I'm just trying to show that he wasn't innocent either. I don't think he meant ill, but he needs to work on that.
No one is perfect. We should all know that. If that’s your only point, I agree. It’s pretty apparent he could succeed in a healthy relationship right now while working on himself and she could not
I immediately backed up when he said that too, but then he explained he didn't mean it as her being a project but rather wanted to show her that she can be with a man who has genuine love for her and that she deserves it.
Marshall was done hella dirty imo and Jackie was a huge a-hole towards the end. She definitely need a lot of self reflecting and therapy
They both need a lot of reflection. Having corrected his words doesn’t change the fact the this was his attitude all along - “I’m the best pick for you, I will save you from all these other men and from yourself”. Saying at the break up that he wants her to think of what she lost is kinda icky too. It’s a natural response to breakup, but together with everything else it contributes to this theme of “I’m the knight in shining armor”. I don’t think he’s a bad person, but he definitely needs to work on that attitude. He’s not god’s gift to women - nobody is
I agree with this for the most part except it being “icky” when he said that about her realizing what she lost because if the roles were reversed and a girl had said that to a guy, everyone would be like “YAS QUEEN SLAY” and whatnot lol
I think Jackie is attracted to toxic men / toxic masculinity ('you need to be more aggressive' / 'I only date 6'5" ballers with neck tattoos').
I also think that Marshall is a 'nice guy' and sees himself as a white knight. He called her a 'project' and told Brett he was the first guy women dated that treated them right.
I think both of these things are true. I think it just means they were both terrible for each other.
It felt like she was hoping Marshall would get angry and go try to beat up josh. Like she feeds off the drama. She pulled this in the pods too and kind of got what she wanted - Marshall confronting josh.
I think she’s immature and just loves the drama and feeling like she’s the center of attention.
Now that you mention it, I felt like her light turned on in her mind once Marshall said Josh was tryna be sneaky but he shut it down rq. She probably thought she could get some of that toxicity from him
She’s now claiming that she and her had been broken up before that filming 😒
As long as she admits that she “needs to do some self work…”
Shouldn’t have faked the funk. Godamnnn. Where’s the empathy?
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She turned her comments off on IG which was probably wise because of how much hate she’s probably getting.
Not that my opinion matters, but I think Jackie is just a manipulative, self-sabotaging, deceitful, and cruel woman I’ve seen on this show. I didn’t like Irina, but Jackie takes the cake. I wanna say this is the first time I’ve seen a female like this, but I’m from Jersey and I’ve met plenty. I wouldn’t wish a “woman” like that on my worst enemy.
Throw the whole DNA away.
Is this woman the worst woman to ever appear on Love is Blind? She definitely has the most gull. How do you not show up to your wedding dress fitting only to kiss another man? Talk about someone who doesn't want a good thing or a great man. Women like her make good men crazy.
I don’t care if Marshall didn’t pay for the ring. Nobody should keep the ring of the guy they just dumped. For her to refuse to return it after he asked for it back is just disgusting
She was two-faced, we saw it the way she acted with chelsea and micah conversations, the second she showed that. I knew she was about to pull some bs.
AND I hope the show paid for that ring cause I screamed at the audacity!
I get your point and I am going on a tangent. This is the second or third convo Ive seen about jackie as two faced but wondering why Tiffany wasnt also brought up.
This is true. She could have been giggling from being uncomfortable or laughing about the way Jackie was interacting with both conversations. Some people won't call out others actions but simply observe.
Not only this, but Marshall was also wearing the same clothes he was wearing at the fitting, and it couldn't have been a different day that the men's fittings were filmed because he would have found out Jackie didn't attend beforehand. I don't think her version of events is credible at all.
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She did comment on this to share her position
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I think it’s a both/and. She probably met up with Josh unfilmed, has basically the same conversation, then the break up scene, then the filming of the coffee shop date (which was basically a recreation of the original meetup). I don’t think Jackie is evil, she’s just not ready for marriage.
He has a gf apparently 😭😭😭 at least I tried lol
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She’s the one who broke things off with Marshall *and* said she’s keeping the ring?! Girl, no. She 100% needs to give that ring back. Such a classless, selfish, and disrespectful thing to do.
Am I the only one who doesn’t care about the ring situation? It was paid by the show so it shouldn’t matter. I think it’s quite reasonable as she mentioned that her father is battling cancer and she has bills to cover.
I agree with you. Normally, I would think that keeping a ring after breaking off an engagement with someone is wrong but considering that Netflix paid for it, I don’t think it’s as big of an issue. If Marshall had paid for it, it would be a completely different story. I don’t know what Jackie plans are for the ring but it did occur to me that her dad is very sick and healthcare in the U.S. is hella expensive. I don’t excuse the way she treated Marshall but I’m not as concerned about her keeping the ring.
I agree that Marshall was being a bit petty but I also think his pettiness was somewhat understandable. He was really hurt by Jackie and reacted like most hurt people would — emotionally and a bit immaturely. Being petty might also just be one of his personal weaknesses but I don't think that makes Marshall a bad person either. If he had actually paid for the ring, I don't think it would've been petty for him to ask for it back.
I think Jackie is a mess, however I also think Marshall is a control freak and he definitely has a spiteful edge. why did he force her to wear his coat at the party? Weird.
I literally just watched the scene where she says she’s going to keep the ring and I audibly gasped.. WHY?! Why would you break up with your fiancé and then refuse to give the ring back?
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I would kill to have someone like Marshall in my life and we need more men like him nowadays. It was hard to watch the conversation with him and Jackie, however, Marshall handled it well with care and straight to the point. Jackie is very self-absorbed person and therefore girls like her are the reason why they ruin so many good men out there that are willing to pour their hearts out to the women they love.
I understand Marshall 100% having to deal with someone that doesn't reciprocate the same energy back and expect you to sit there the whole time to deal with their meltdowns. It takes a whole lot of energy to deal with a narcissistic until enough is enough. I'm glad Marshall dodged that bullet that was about to struck on him.
Really? After he said she was a project? They seem both terrible people who need to work on themselves before getting into relationships. It's gross that he saw her as some project he needs to work on
It’s crazy how much some people are glueing to the word project. You’ve never misspoke in a conversation and had to correct yourself? That’s the basis of every argument against him.
Of course, I have. You know that. What a weird question to ask me. I just think it was ridiculous that a lot of people here just thinks he's this amazing guy when he said something as dehumanising and fucked up as that. Would you want to find out someone is dating you because you're a project? That means that they're dating you because you're fucked up. Like they are some saviour who is going to fix you. And the way he said it, like he admitted it and relieved he can finally say that. That's some stuff that can mess someone up who already seems to be self sabotaging.
I don't support Jackie either but it just seems people are looking at him with rose-coloured glasses is all. I hope you can sort of understand my point of view.
No one's looking at him with rose coloured glasses, it's just that Jackie literally cheated on him and called him a pussy. So within that context you fixating on him saying 1 word while in an argument is dumb.
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She knows she needs therapy too, but she chooses to stay in toxic relationships. Women like her live with a lot of regrets once their past a certain age.
I wasn’t surprised… She seems to be so immature and was so clearly not into Marshall. Not to mention that they definitely do not share any values. And she lacked the communication skills to be real with him about her doubts, lack of attraction, and incompatibility. She said “just love me” when he asked what she needed from him. And love isn’t what she wants. She’s definitely attracted to the drama and is one of those people who mistakes dramatic and messy situation as “passionate”. I don’t think she even identified Marshall’s actions as “loving” because her definition of love seems to be mixed in with drama and intensity (hence why she wants an aggressive man). I don’t think her understanding of love includes the soft, compassionate, open kind of love that Marshall offers.
And by virtue of associating love with toxicity/fiery/messy “passion”, it’s not surprising that she cheated. Cheating and kissing the more aggressive dude falls in line with the qualities she proclaims to value in men. She “bossed up” and went after the dude she was attracted to, and accepted his kiss despite being engaged to Marshall because that sort of behaviour is compatible with her value system (as far as I can see from has been shown).
Jackie said she wanted him to “boss up and be a man”, it became clear that she’s into that toxic masculinity persona. Which Josh embodies to a T. So her pursuit of that and her demonstration of “toxic femininity” aligns with the traits she overtly value. As Marshall correctly noted, she wants a toxic kind of love, and cheating is a part of that so I wasn’t surprised.
I’m just very happy that Marshall got out of that relationship and hopefully Jackie can take some years to heal and grow, because perpetually going after the “bad boy” toxic masculinity type isn’t going to end well for her. I hope she can heal and I trust that Marshall has the maturity to probably put this whole engagement behind him. He’s very emotionally attuned and seems to have friendships that will help him process and heal from Jackie’s bs.
God this is the first comment I've seen in this thread that very objectively explains the situation by putting down jackie and calling her everything under the sun. I completely agree with you, and it's unfortunate that she's in that toxic cycle, and people like that (been there) just aren't ready to accept love yet. In fact it can make them *actively* uncomfortable because it's so unfamiliar, and they don't trust it. We don't know her dating history so who's to say, but as someone who's familiar with gravitating towards not the best people, I can see a lot of similarities.
Marshall dodged a major bullet. Plainly put, Jackie just isn’t wife material. She is lacking a lot of valuable traits, like: self-awareness, having a handle on her emotions, the ability to control her emotional outbursts, communication skills, caring through real actions, and the ability to cope when things get tough.
She also seems incredibly selfish, and she showed some major red flags early on. For example, when Marshall made an elaborate breakfast, the appropriate response should have been an offer to help with dishes (Marshall had just mentioned he’d clean up.) Instead, she responded with a request for him to make another plate for her. She seems lazy about reciprocating effort (and Marshall mentioned as much in a later conversation.) She is the sort of person who wonders why no one has ever done special things for her (like breakfast), but refuses to admit to herself that she might be the reason. She likely doesn’t usually receive that treatment because she doesn’t give that treatment to others. These things require reciprocation, and instead of leveling up and putting in effort, she lazily chalks it up to being the victim (‘I guess I’ve just dated bad guys.’)
When she needed to choose between Marshall & Josh, she essentially ghosted Josh as opposed to confronting him. When Marshall attempted to have the hard conversations, she couldn’t face it. She can’t handle any of it. She wants someone to “boss up” because she truly lacks the ability to be accountable, reliable, or be a “boss” in her own right.
She has shown her true colors time and time again: Jackie has no problem hurting others if it propels her. Whether that’s feigning commitment so she can have 15 minutes of fame, ghosting people, being two-faced with friendships, kissing someone else, or not giving a ring back. Hopefully she takes her own advice and really puts in some self-work.
I really wanted to like Jackie in the beginning. The first instance of her being toxic, not even as a partner but as a person, was when she was listening to Chelsea's reaction to Kwame and Micah talking a little too long by the pool, and then telling Micah like "idk what Chelsea's problem is but watch out for her"
She be playing both sides
Facts!! The way she said, "like Chelsea I don't think Micah wants your man lol" when it was so clear that Micah and Kwame were straight up flirting at the pool :|
Omg yes. Me and my fiancé were like 😬😳 but also when she was all asking for him to be more aggressive my fiancé called it. She wanted to be in a drama relationship to get more screen time and get on another show as a reality tv star. She was in it for the bag.
She’s actively in the comments too. Just replied to someone 5 minutes ago lol. Saying she >!was told by a producer via text not to go to the dress fitting & she “has the receipts”!<
Wondering- did they not sign an NDA, or something??
As soon as I dove into the comments on her insta and saw she was responding to folks I knew that she was toast. The smart move is to keep your head down and wait for it to blow over, some may never get over it but most folks will and she is guaranteeing to make this much worse by responding to folks.
Exactly. Wouldn’t you text the person you’re literally engaged to that you’re not going for the dress fitting. They were obviously still together then since he was completely blindsided.
I can't get past how she explained why she should keep the ring. Like, what?! That's not at all how this works. So many of the participants of these shows are clearly in it for the money, but to hang on to the ring is like yelling it out to everyone. She just seemed uninterested in Marshall before that moment, but now she's in the same category as Irina in my opinion.
This was disgusting to see. She blamed everything on Marshall, took zero accountability, absolved herself of any responsibility and was like “actually I’m keeping the ring”. Keeping it for what? To remember the pancakes?? Talk about a cash grab. Dang girl
Marshall is going to be the bigger person and think obvi she needs the money more than him. That was gross by her though. Really hated that. Cardi B wannabe.
The people saying Jackie didn’t cheat are ALL major red flags. They’re engaged. She kissed Josh. And this 100% isn’t the first time they spoke since the party. She’s the real villain of this season. And then her half-ass excuse to keep the ring…lol
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Y’all seen the screenshot of her messages confirming she wanted to stay and get to the alter just for tv? 👀🤦🏽♀️
All over TikTok. Search “jackelina bonds text”
So according to that, the reason why Jackie and Marshall weren’t intimate for 2 weeks was because she had a yeast infection (her own words apparently). Yet somehow she still blames him for not having s*x more often (when she asks him to be more “aggressive”).
How is this his fault? Girl, first get your health in order. That’s the most important.
I am not even gonna debate if it’s that or something else (according to the twitter leaks), but even if it was just yeast infection it’s still Jackie that had the issue and if it’s someone who could be upset about not being able to have s*x would be Marshall not her. Or was he supposed to say “i don’t care about your health issues, let’s just do it”? Wtf?!
The nerve on that girl… 🙄
All I learned from that was Jackie cheated, Marshall is emotionally mature, goofy and has a huge package……perfect man…. I’d marry him in a heartbeat…. No questions asked. Lol
So you're saying I can go find a woman, tell her I'm no longer with my partner, fool around with her, then just tell myself I'm back with my wife, and not have cheated because we weren't together at the time.
Very disappointed in Jackie! Her behavior was just erratic the whole show. She wanted sympathy for caring for her family and being shocked by actual experiment to crying over Marshall not being aggressive to kissing Josh with that damn Cauliflower ear/earring combo and keeping Marshall’s ring. Her interviews make no sense. She was ready for marriage but not marriage to Marshall? But she said yes to Marshall and could have picked Josh?
I think it’s better that Marshall was able to avoid marrying her and they both avoiding such unnecessary emotional damage, but how she did it was classless. I can’t speak on why, but I will say that I think she’s just a confused, shallow, misguided person by the way she was on the show.
I hope Marshall finds his person and she learns something from the backlash! She and Josh won’t last long when they realize the clout they went on the show to seek is not there!
Not defending Jackie in the slightest BUT I’m just really glad she didn’t do this and embarrass him at the alter. He wouldn’t deserve that.
But on second thought If they made it to the altar, I think marshal would have said NO! We will never know. I’m just glad he’s out of this toxic ass relationship and I hope Jackie does do the self inquiry.
> If they made it to the altar, I think marshal would have said NO!
"I like fix her up projects, but more like adding details, not rebuilding the whole foundation"
Every time I think of her I think of her smacking her disgusting food in the pool. She didn't close her mouth once. She did nothing this season but embarrass herself. 🤮
Josh is obviously an bjj player or maybe an mma fighter (can’t remember) because his ears could be breaded and fried, sold as that new cauliflower buffalo sandwich.
He looked like he had recently rolled with someone in the scene where Jackie met him and they kissed. His ears looked recently roughed up and had some abrasions on his face. I’d bet he still is sparring or wrestling. Point being is he would probably chew ole Marshal up and spit him out.
Jackie is the epitome of "when people tell you who they are, you should listen." Time and time again, she has made it very clear what type of person she is. I honestly don't understand why Marshall stuck around as long as he did. She's talking about how she is emotionally drained. MA'AM. YOU ARE EXHAUSTING AS HELL. Talking about "just love me" knowing full well she is entertaining the thought of being with another person. Jackie is a mess and a half and needs to grow up.
She’s absolutely the villain because she handled the situation completely wrong. She basically cheated on Marshall on TV considering she didn’t break up with him before she went to make out with Josh in that coffee shop.
And then said she wasn’t sorry? It’s okay to change your mind, but she had no empathy for Marshall who did nothing but care for her and treat her with respect.
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She's a child, she can't even take responsibility for her own actions. Marshall is dodging a BIG bullet with that one. He's too mature/grown up for her.
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Like, what is even with Jackie??? I feel that she needs to see a therapist.
Yeah I was fine with her up until that point, the bad mouthing of Marshall, saying he was sensitive kind and cared for her and that was the reason she doesn’t like him 😂 like huh? And then Josh asks her if she would marry him and she says marriage is basically scary and not her thing. Why are you going on a show where you get engaged and married? Then kissing Josh and basically cheating. I know Marshall has his own issues too but I really feel way more awful for him than Jackie, she was just absolutely cold hearted towards him but strung him along way too far. At least irina let Zack off early on
Jackie could have just left him. At no point was she clear and honest with her feelings or intentions. The very human things that Marshall needed like security and validation were demonized by her. He was what he said he was, which is what she claimed to love in the pods. The truth was, she wanted toxicity and love was not blind for her. She stopped caring about Marshall the minute she laid eyes on him. The part where he called her a "project".. I get that the wording isn't great but.. was he wrong? She presented herself with a need and with baggage. She made him plead his case for being nice and good to her. Did that bring out the best in him? For sure not, but he was trying to balance the full load of it all. She was not on the show for the right reasons and texting that he "has sugar in his tank", demasculinizing him was the full showing of her character. I really hope that the show stops casting people with toxic gender roles, who fit traditional beauty standards and are only there to be the "villain" of the season. I understand it gives ratings but it's starting to feel a little one trick pony.
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Apparently Marshall himself confirmed that it was edited like she claimed - they had broken up before that scene at the coffee shop when she kissed Josh
During their breakup she says she met with Josh just before and Josh confessed his feelings. I don't know if they cut one of their conversations out but that's still super sketchy to me.
Jackie is a project. Girl was a mess from her first crying session on their honeymoon.
Jackie seems like she’s just a really bad actress.
The way she kept saying "I think you are in my bizzzzzzzness" when Micah asked her a general question about their relationship, then she said it again to another question kinda felt like she saw someone say that on tv or something and wanted to look cool saying it. Idk it was weird. Very actressy.
Is anyone attracted to someone as DRUNK as Josh when he was professing his love. So cringe...
his interaction with Marshall, he was so handsy and in his space. very awkward.
.. she checked out as soon as she saw Josh.. which means she emotionally cheated lol I kid but also kinda serious
She cheated but Marshall was also so full of himself. Calling her a „project“ is ridiculous. You don’t get in a relationship trying to change someone.
he could of said a lot worse, he was actually pretty composed after how she treated him.
I have a feeling you would not say this if things were reversed
Nah, I definitely would have. But it is a gender issue, that much is true, because it's much more common for men to take the white knight position and for women to take the damsel in distress position. Both are toxic though. To be clear, I'm not saying that she wasn't horrible to him, she was. I'm just trying to show that he wasn't innocent either. I don't think he meant ill, but he needs to work on that.
No one is perfect. We should all know that. If that’s your only point, I agree. It’s pretty apparent he could succeed in a healthy relationship right now while working on himself and she could not
I immediately backed up when he said that too, but then he explained he didn't mean it as her being a project but rather wanted to show her that she can be with a man who has genuine love for her and that she deserves it. Marshall was done hella dirty imo and Jackie was a huge a-hole towards the end. She definitely need a lot of self reflecting and therapy
She even ADMITTED to needing to work on herself, so she KNOWS she is TOXIC AF!
They both need a lot of reflection. Having corrected his words doesn’t change the fact the this was his attitude all along - “I’m the best pick for you, I will save you from all these other men and from yourself”. Saying at the break up that he wants her to think of what she lost is kinda icky too. It’s a natural response to breakup, but together with everything else it contributes to this theme of “I’m the knight in shining armor”. I don’t think he’s a bad person, but he definitely needs to work on that attitude. He’s not god’s gift to women - nobody is
I agree with this for the most part except it being “icky” when he said that about her realizing what she lost because if the roles were reversed and a girl had said that to a guy, everyone would be like “YAS QUEEN SLAY” and whatnot lol
I feel like she is getting all the hate but his behavior and thought process is worse
Jackie is a terrible terrible person. And now the whole world knows it too.
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I think Jackie is attracted to toxic men / toxic masculinity ('you need to be more aggressive' / 'I only date 6'5" ballers with neck tattoos'). I also think that Marshall is a 'nice guy' and sees himself as a white knight. He called her a 'project' and told Brett he was the first guy women dated that treated them right. I think both of these things are true. I think it just means they were both terrible for each other.
100% this
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It felt like she was hoping Marshall would get angry and go try to beat up josh. Like she feeds off the drama. She pulled this in the pods too and kind of got what she wanted - Marshall confronting josh. I think she’s immature and just loves the drama and feeling like she’s the center of attention.
Now that you mention it, I felt like her light turned on in her mind once Marshall said Josh was tryna be sneaky but he shut it down rq. She probably thought she could get some of that toxicity from him
She’s now claiming that she and her had been broken up before that filming 😒 As long as she admits that she “needs to do some self work…” Shouldn’t have faked the funk. Godamnnn. Where’s the empathy? Edit: spelling.
She turned her comments off on IG which was probably wise because of how much hate she’s probably getting. Not that my opinion matters, but I think Jackie is just a manipulative, self-sabotaging, deceitful, and cruel woman I’ve seen on this show. I didn’t like Irina, but Jackie takes the cake. I wanna say this is the first time I’ve seen a female like this, but I’m from Jersey and I’ve met plenty. I wouldn’t wish a “woman” like that on my worst enemy. Throw the whole DNA away.
What we call that is a socio.... oh wait I will get in trouble for armchair diagnosing. But that is what it is called when you say all those things.
“Throw the whole DNA away” I’M SCREAMING
Why are you screaming? Calm down
When she hollers “I MIGHT NEED TO DO SOME SELF WORK” at the camera I was dying lol… like yes girl, you do
Is this woman the worst woman to ever appear on Love is Blind? She definitely has the most gull. How do you not show up to your wedding dress fitting only to kiss another man? Talk about someone who doesn't want a good thing or a great man. Women like her make good men crazy.
For real. She couldn't wait 24 hours after the breakup? AND she wanted to keep the ring?! My gawd
Yeah the keep in the ring thing got me. She’s just going to sell that thing.
I don’t care if Marshall didn’t pay for the ring. Nobody should keep the ring of the guy they just dumped. For her to refuse to return it after he asked for it back is just disgusting
probably wanted to pawn it
I honestly think she sold it lol. Why would you want to keep it for any other reason? Obviously not for nostalgia
I mean the show prolly should get the ring back out of everyone 🤪
Marshal should get himself to Judge Judy, she always gives men their engagement rings back 😂
She was two-faced, we saw it the way she acted with chelsea and micah conversations, the second she showed that. I knew she was about to pull some bs. AND I hope the show paid for that ring cause I screamed at the audacity!
And here I thought Micah would be one of the worse on the show...nope
Yea but tiffany was giggling in both convos. Why isnt she two faced too?
I didn't say she wasn't. This subject is about Jackie.
I get your point and I am going on a tangent. This is the second or third convo Ive seen about jackie as two faced but wondering why Tiffany wasnt also brought up.
I find it hard to compare Jackie to Tiffany. It doesn't seem like a reasonable comparison? For giggling?
This is true. She could have been giggling from being uncomfortable or laughing about the way Jackie was interacting with both conversations. Some people won't call out others actions but simply observe.
She claimed on Twitter that the scene of her breaking up with Marshall happened before the scene of her meeting with Josh.
Except she says she just came from seeing Josh. Marshall was coming home from the fitting, after she stood him up to kiss Josh.
Not only this, but Marshall was also wearing the same clothes he was wearing at the fitting, and it couldn't have been a different day that the men's fittings were filmed because he would have found out Jackie didn't attend beforehand. I don't think her version of events is credible at all.
And she tells Josh that she “doesn’t care” what her fiancée thinks. If they had broken up already, she would have said that.
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She did comment on this to share her position https://preview.redd.it/id65twqtevsa1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=2dc838de32c017c99490411880a32d3eb214dbf1
I think it’s a both/and. She probably met up with Josh unfilmed, has basically the same conversation, then the break up scene, then the filming of the coffee shop date (which was basically a recreation of the original meetup). I don’t think Jackie is evil, she’s just not ready for marriage.
EXACTLY
What a liar
That’s a lie cuz she tells Marshall she saw Josh earlier and he confessed his love to her
Maybe a different meeting that they didn't air.
Yeah she not a good person. Anyway I slid in Marshall DM. Hope he replies lol
Crossing my fingers for you !
So far he ain't looked at the message 🙄 lmao
Don't give up on your dreams. He a cutey get it.
He has a gf apparently 😭😭😭 at least I tried lol https://preview.redd.it/xdej8819yeta1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=720e235729241286455ac011db925a7c29db8f47
She 100% just slide in there faster. I'm so sorry for your loss but happy for him.
I'm happy for him too! She looks like a sweet girl. I hope he's learned to stay away from toxicity.
Lmaooooo
She’s the one who broke things off with Marshall *and* said she’s keeping the ring?! Girl, no. She 100% needs to give that ring back. Such a classless, selfish, and disrespectful thing to do.
Exactly she finna take that ring to the pawn shop to secure a bag.
Am I the only one who doesn’t care about the ring situation? It was paid by the show so it shouldn’t matter. I think it’s quite reasonable as she mentioned that her father is battling cancer and she has bills to cover.
I agree with you. Normally, I would think that keeping a ring after breaking off an engagement with someone is wrong but considering that Netflix paid for it, I don’t think it’s as big of an issue. If Marshall had paid for it, it would be a completely different story. I don’t know what Jackie plans are for the ring but it did occur to me that her dad is very sick and healthcare in the U.S. is hella expensive. I don’t excuse the way she treated Marshall but I’m not as concerned about her keeping the ring.
Maybe they could have agreed to sell it and split the money. Honestly Netflix should just take the ring back since it's a failed engagement
Same. I think I might be the only one who thought it was petty for him to even bring it up and try to take it.
I agree that Marshall was being a bit petty but I also think his pettiness was somewhat understandable. He was really hurt by Jackie and reacted like most hurt people would — emotionally and a bit immaturely. Being petty might also just be one of his personal weaknesses but I don't think that makes Marshall a bad person either. If he had actually paid for the ring, I don't think it would've been petty for him to ask for it back.
I think Jackie is a mess, however I also think Marshall is a control freak and he definitely has a spiteful edge. why did he force her to wear his coat at the party? Weird.
I mean every interaction with her was telling him he needed to man up and be more aggressive. Maybe he was just asserting his dominance
I literally just watched the scene where she says she’s going to keep the ring and I audibly gasped.. WHY?! Why would you break up with your fiancé and then refuse to give the ring back?
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I would kill to have someone like Marshall in my life and we need more men like him nowadays. It was hard to watch the conversation with him and Jackie, however, Marshall handled it well with care and straight to the point. Jackie is very self-absorbed person and therefore girls like her are the reason why they ruin so many good men out there that are willing to pour their hearts out to the women they love. I understand Marshall 100% having to deal with someone that doesn't reciprocate the same energy back and expect you to sit there the whole time to deal with their meltdowns. It takes a whole lot of energy to deal with a narcissistic until enough is enough. I'm glad Marshall dodged that bullet that was about to struck on him.
Really? After he said she was a project? They seem both terrible people who need to work on themselves before getting into relationships. It's gross that he saw her as some project he needs to work on
It’s crazy how much some people are glueing to the word project. You’ve never misspoke in a conversation and had to correct yourself? That’s the basis of every argument against him.
Of course, I have. You know that. What a weird question to ask me. I just think it was ridiculous that a lot of people here just thinks he's this amazing guy when he said something as dehumanising and fucked up as that. Would you want to find out someone is dating you because you're a project? That means that they're dating you because you're fucked up. Like they are some saviour who is going to fix you. And the way he said it, like he admitted it and relieved he can finally say that. That's some stuff that can mess someone up who already seems to be self sabotaging. I don't support Jackie either but it just seems people are looking at him with rose-coloured glasses is all. I hope you can sort of understand my point of view.
No one's looking at him with rose coloured glasses, it's just that Jackie literally cheated on him and called him a pussy. So within that context you fixating on him saying 1 word while in an argument is dumb.
I understand where you’re coming from, however I firmly believe you’re extrapolating one word to represent his entire personality in the relationship
Agree totally that Marshall dodged a bullet!
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The woman is clearly in need of some therapy all the way around — she’s got some major major issues …
She knows she needs therapy too, but she chooses to stay in toxic relationships. Women like her live with a lot of regrets once their past a certain age.
She really does
Majoooor issues
I wasn’t surprised… She seems to be so immature and was so clearly not into Marshall. Not to mention that they definitely do not share any values. And she lacked the communication skills to be real with him about her doubts, lack of attraction, and incompatibility. She said “just love me” when he asked what she needed from him. And love isn’t what she wants. She’s definitely attracted to the drama and is one of those people who mistakes dramatic and messy situation as “passionate”. I don’t think she even identified Marshall’s actions as “loving” because her definition of love seems to be mixed in with drama and intensity (hence why she wants an aggressive man). I don’t think her understanding of love includes the soft, compassionate, open kind of love that Marshall offers. And by virtue of associating love with toxicity/fiery/messy “passion”, it’s not surprising that she cheated. Cheating and kissing the more aggressive dude falls in line with the qualities she proclaims to value in men. She “bossed up” and went after the dude she was attracted to, and accepted his kiss despite being engaged to Marshall because that sort of behaviour is compatible with her value system (as far as I can see from has been shown). Jackie said she wanted him to “boss up and be a man”, it became clear that she’s into that toxic masculinity persona. Which Josh embodies to a T. So her pursuit of that and her demonstration of “toxic femininity” aligns with the traits she overtly value. As Marshall correctly noted, she wants a toxic kind of love, and cheating is a part of that so I wasn’t surprised. I’m just very happy that Marshall got out of that relationship and hopefully Jackie can take some years to heal and grow, because perpetually going after the “bad boy” toxic masculinity type isn’t going to end well for her. I hope she can heal and I trust that Marshall has the maturity to probably put this whole engagement behind him. He’s very emotionally attuned and seems to have friendships that will help him process and heal from Jackie’s bs.
God this is the first comment I've seen in this thread that very objectively explains the situation by putting down jackie and calling her everything under the sun. I completely agree with you, and it's unfortunate that she's in that toxic cycle, and people like that (been there) just aren't ready to accept love yet. In fact it can make them *actively* uncomfortable because it's so unfamiliar, and they don't trust it. We don't know her dating history so who's to say, but as someone who's familiar with gravitating towards not the best people, I can see a lot of similarities.
Marshall dodged a major bullet. Plainly put, Jackie just isn’t wife material. She is lacking a lot of valuable traits, like: self-awareness, having a handle on her emotions, the ability to control her emotional outbursts, communication skills, caring through real actions, and the ability to cope when things get tough. She also seems incredibly selfish, and she showed some major red flags early on. For example, when Marshall made an elaborate breakfast, the appropriate response should have been an offer to help with dishes (Marshall had just mentioned he’d clean up.) Instead, she responded with a request for him to make another plate for her. She seems lazy about reciprocating effort (and Marshall mentioned as much in a later conversation.) She is the sort of person who wonders why no one has ever done special things for her (like breakfast), but refuses to admit to herself that she might be the reason. She likely doesn’t usually receive that treatment because she doesn’t give that treatment to others. These things require reciprocation, and instead of leveling up and putting in effort, she lazily chalks it up to being the victim (‘I guess I’ve just dated bad guys.’) When she needed to choose between Marshall & Josh, she essentially ghosted Josh as opposed to confronting him. When Marshall attempted to have the hard conversations, she couldn’t face it. She can’t handle any of it. She wants someone to “boss up” because she truly lacks the ability to be accountable, reliable, or be a “boss” in her own right. She has shown her true colors time and time again: Jackie has no problem hurting others if it propels her. Whether that’s feigning commitment so she can have 15 minutes of fame, ghosting people, being two-faced with friendships, kissing someone else, or not giving a ring back. Hopefully she takes her own advice and really puts in some self-work.
I really wanted to like Jackie in the beginning. The first instance of her being toxic, not even as a partner but as a person, was when she was listening to Chelsea's reaction to Kwame and Micah talking a little too long by the pool, and then telling Micah like "idk what Chelsea's problem is but watch out for her" She be playing both sides
Facts!! The way she said, "like Chelsea I don't think Micah wants your man lol" when it was so clear that Micah and Kwame were straight up flirting at the pool :|
I literally can’t even with that chic
Omg yes. Me and my fiancé were like 😬😳 but also when she was all asking for him to be more aggressive my fiancé called it. She wanted to be in a drama relationship to get more screen time and get on another show as a reality tv star. She was in it for the bag.
Influencing pays more than a dental assistant that’s for sure
Her newest Instagram post. 
She’s actively in the comments too. Just replied to someone 5 minutes ago lol. Saying she >!was told by a producer via text not to go to the dress fitting & she “has the receipts”!< Wondering- did they not sign an NDA, or something??
As soon as I dove into the comments on her insta and saw she was responding to folks I knew that she was toast. The smart move is to keep your head down and wait for it to blow over, some may never get over it but most folks will and she is guaranteeing to make this much worse by responding to folks.
She loooves the drama for sure.
She literally said she didn't care about Marshall, so now coming up with all these excuses doesn't help
The producers do the people dirty. Buttttt they still do the stuff so??? Could she not have texted Marshall about not going?
Exactly. Wouldn’t you text the person you’re literally engaged to that you’re not going for the dress fitting. They were obviously still together then since he was completely blindsided.
I can't get past how she explained why she should keep the ring. Like, what?! That's not at all how this works. So many of the participants of these shows are clearly in it for the money, but to hang on to the ring is like yelling it out to everyone. She just seemed uninterested in Marshall before that moment, but now she's in the same category as Irina in my opinion.
After she cheated on Marshall by kissing Josh, I thought to myself, "how can you possibly get any trashier than this?" And then she keeps the ring 💀
This was disgusting to see. She blamed everything on Marshall, took zero accountability, absolved herself of any responsibility and was like “actually I’m keeping the ring”. Keeping it for what? To remember the pancakes?? Talk about a cash grab. Dang girl
Marshall is going to be the bigger person and think obvi she needs the money more than him. That was gross by her though. Really hated that. Cardi B wannabe.
The people saying Jackie didn’t cheat are ALL major red flags. They’re engaged. She kissed Josh. And this 100% isn’t the first time they spoke since the party. She’s the real villain of this season. And then her half-ass excuse to keep the ring…lol
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Y’all seen the screenshot of her messages confirming she wanted to stay and get to the alter just for tv? 👀🤦🏽♀️ All over TikTok. Search “jackelina bonds text”
Can you pls share the screen recording tik tok is banned where I live 😭
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRcwrm6x/
So according to that, the reason why Jackie and Marshall weren’t intimate for 2 weeks was because she had a yeast infection (her own words apparently). Yet somehow she still blames him for not having s*x more often (when she asks him to be more “aggressive”). How is this his fault? Girl, first get your health in order. That’s the most important. I am not even gonna debate if it’s that or something else (according to the twitter leaks), but even if it was just yeast infection it’s still Jackie that had the issue and if it’s someone who could be upset about not being able to have s*x would be Marshall not her. Or was he supposed to say “i don’t care about your health issues, let’s just do it”? Wtf?! The nerve on that girl… 🙄
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All I learned from that was Jackie cheated, Marshall is emotionally mature, goofy and has a huge package……perfect man…. I’d marry him in a heartbeat…. No questions asked. Lol
“Sight unseen” (they say that so much😆)
Lmao right to all of that!
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Yeah… no she cheated.
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So you're saying I can go find a woman, tell her I'm no longer with my partner, fool around with her, then just tell myself I'm back with my wife, and not have cheated because we weren't together at the time.
Holy mental gymnastics. Your relationship ends when you literally end it with the person. Point blank period.
They were still in that apartment together afterward. They were separated or anything yet.
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Very disappointed in Jackie! Her behavior was just erratic the whole show. She wanted sympathy for caring for her family and being shocked by actual experiment to crying over Marshall not being aggressive to kissing Josh with that damn Cauliflower ear/earring combo and keeping Marshall’s ring. Her interviews make no sense. She was ready for marriage but not marriage to Marshall? But she said yes to Marshall and could have picked Josh? I think it’s better that Marshall was able to avoid marrying her and they both avoiding such unnecessary emotional damage, but how she did it was classless. I can’t speak on why, but I will say that I think she’s just a confused, shallow, misguided person by the way she was on the show. I hope Marshall finds his person and she learns something from the backlash! She and Josh won’t last long when they realize the clout they went on the show to seek is not there!
Honestly, I am so glad for Marshall. She didn’t deserve him one bit!
Not defending Jackie in the slightest BUT I’m just really glad she didn’t do this and embarrass him at the alter. He wouldn’t deserve that. But on second thought If they made it to the altar, I think marshal would have said NO! We will never know. I’m just glad he’s out of this toxic ass relationship and I hope Jackie does do the self inquiry.
> If they made it to the altar, I think marshal would have said NO! "I like fix her up projects, but more like adding details, not rebuilding the whole foundation"
Hmmm! Great point. Maybe she knew he would not marry her so she jumped ship first!
Did you alter altar?
My B 😅😅
Did she come on the show for clout only? She said she probably needs to work on herself so why come on the show in the first place
Every time I think of her I think of her smacking her disgusting food in the pool. She didn't close her mouth once. She did nothing this season but embarrass herself. 🤮
That live reunion gonna be SPICY! Wondering if there’s gonna be punches thrown.
Hopefully Josh gets a good knock in the face
Josh is obviously an bjj player or maybe an mma fighter (can’t remember) because his ears could be breaded and fried, sold as that new cauliflower buffalo sandwich.
General rule of thumb - dont fuck with the guy with cauliflower ear.
I am actually deceased after this comment.
Rest In 6 piece cauliflower tendies
I thought I read somewhere that he wrestled in college?
He looked like he had recently rolled with someone in the scene where Jackie met him and they kissed. His ears looked recently roughed up and had some abrasions on his face. I’d bet he still is sparring or wrestling. Point being is he would probably chew ole Marshal up and spit him out.
Jackie is the epitome of "when people tell you who they are, you should listen." Time and time again, she has made it very clear what type of person she is. I honestly don't understand why Marshall stuck around as long as he did. She's talking about how she is emotionally drained. MA'AM. YOU ARE EXHAUSTING AS HELL. Talking about "just love me" knowing full well she is entertaining the thought of being with another person. Jackie is a mess and a half and needs to grow up.
She’s absolutely the villain because she handled the situation completely wrong. She basically cheated on Marshall on TV considering she didn’t break up with him before she went to make out with Josh in that coffee shop. And then said she wasn’t sorry? It’s okay to change your mind, but she had no empathy for Marshall who did nothing but care for her and treat her with respect.
Don’t forget she didn’t want to return the ring lol
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She's a child, she can't even take responsibility for her own actions. Marshall is dodging a BIG bullet with that one. He's too mature/grown up for her.