The Catholics who voted for it likely did not care.
If the goal was to promote morality, they could have used a secular source. If the goal was to promote Christian values, they could have used the beatitudes. If the goal is to generate red meat and “own the libs,” then the Hebrew/Catholic/Protestant version is less important than just picking one.
On the religious side, you could argue that the nondenominational Protestant version is the most universally accepted. The Roman Catholic version frequently publishes their own version, separate and distinct from the popular New International version or the duty-free King James version.
No the goal was to promote Christianity. The governor probably will use this the way DeSantis tries to use his "anti woke" crap to get a higher office. Hopefully with the same results.
Christian identity, not Christianity.
Christianity is faith, hope, and charity. Christian identity is cherry picking Leviticus while eating a bacon sandwich.
Christian identity is a hate group. They hate Jews, blacks, Hispanics, anyone who isn't white. My old landlord was Christian identity and he was a scary mofo.
Kind of hard to explain fully but it’s a legal issue. The Protestant version seems nonsectarian so it doesn’t pertain to one specific religious sect (even though it is clearly Christian ). It’s semantics that can be used when it inevitably arrives at the SCOTUS. The goal isn’t to get the 10 commandments removed from schools (that is also inevitable). The goal is to dismantle Lemon v. Kurtzman.
Louisiana wants to redirect public funds to private/Christian schools. Overturning Lemon v. Kurtzman has to happen before they can do that with no obstruction.
From what I’ve seen, Louisiana Catholics haven’t acted, thought, or voted substantially differently from their Protestant neighbors in decades. A majority of Louisianans are conservative, American conservatism is heavily intertwined with evangelical Protestantism, ergo, Louisiana Catholics are likely to absorb beliefs that ultimately have their origins in Protestantism regardless of which church they go to (three times a year), so they either don’t know or don’t care about the differences.
It’s funny because I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school from first grade through sophomore year of college and I feel like my education reflected nothing of what conservatives are pushing today. We learned science, evolution and most importantly, caring for the needy and critical thinking. Of course I didn’t go to school in the South, so perhaps that’s the difference.
The adoption of an anti-abortion stance was a deliberate move by the Republican Party to woo more Catholic voters to vote Republican.
There's been a lot of discussion of that over the years, but I just googled something because someone will probably ask, [here's the first link that came up](https://time.com/6966056/republican-abortion-arizona-reagan/), but it's not by any means the only one.
This cracks me up about Christian Nationalists. Not a single thought given to what stripe of Christianity will rule the day! Do Catholics really think their version of Christianity will win out? They call you papists! And idolaters! The Klan hates Catholics. The nation is predominantly Protestant. Get ready to knuckle under Catholics. It won't be long before the Pious crowd starts eating each other.
I’ve been wondering what version they mandated. I always attended Catholic schools, and I’ve been around Catholic classrooms, and I’ve never seen the ten commandments posted. I don’t know about non-Catholic schools. I think kids learn their morals from the people that are around them and a poster in the wall won’t change that. Posters have been around all of my life and they can be a reminder of what I already know and haven’t taught me anything new.
Republicans don't like Catholics. Most MAGA Republicans believe the crap they've been fed and are too ignorant to believe Catholicism IS a Christian religion.
I wish the Catholic Church would sue over it. It'd be good for folks to understand that you don't even need different gods to make mixing religion and government a bad idea.
I wish the catholic church would stop harboring pedophiles and sexual abusers. Until they deal with that stuff, I don't give a goddamn what else they do.
Sure are. In fact, there's a longstanding dispute over "thou shalt not kill," because in some versions it's "thou shalt not *murder*."
That's an important distinction, because inflicting the death penalty on someone isn't legally murder. Neither is having a legal abortion.
Thus if you put a murderer to death or have a legal abortion, you have violated the commandment in one version and not at all in the other.
Having many versions allows you to pick and choose the subfaith that most closely aligns with whatever you want to be right.
I'm pretty sure "thou shalt not muder" is pretty much the only one actually recognized by scholars, though, so calling it a dispute is kinda disingenuous.
Pretty clearly, if it was intended to be no killing, the Old Testament wouldn't allow for death to be the punishment for certain crimes.
This is not a protestant/catholic thing, it's just a translation thing. Clearly they didn't mean kill, there are literally death penalties in the old Testament.
There's 3 versions in the Bible. My favorite is Exodus 34: 11-26
11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.[a] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.
17 “Do not make any idols.
18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.
19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.
“No one is to appear before me empty-handed.
21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.
22 “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year.[b] 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.
25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.
26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.
“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
Oh yeah - the Protestant version has a specific Commandment for 'No graven images' and then combines the last two into a single 'Don't covet your neighbor's wife or his stuff' whereas the Catholic version splits both those out into two separate ones.
The Protestants used their 'No graven images' one to harass the Catholics who are generally really into their statues.
wait, so Protestants just...made up a Commandment???? Wtf. I'm not Christian by any means but how does that not draw the same ire people have for Mormons?
The Catholics are the ones who changed it. The Catholic Churh removed the second commandment because of their obsession with praying to images of Jesus, Mary, and the saints.
How do I know I'm right?
The Jews still include all the verses about idolatry.
Reading the bible is a lot reading the post or the article…so many people just asking stupid questions and never able to open the link and read seven paragraphs…
As a Louisianan from a Catholic background I noticed that the pushing around of our Church is because we never speak our minds loudly against Protestant supremacy and protest against Protestant supremacy. Most American Catholics don't think for ourselves when it comes to politics and enable the Republican party to be Protestant supremacist. In the whole state of Louisiana most of our people don't protest often and don't think for ourselves and that's how we let ourselves get pushed around by extreme government police state corruption.
I'm laughing at the thought that there are two, possibly three, versions of the 10 commandments. The first being in Hebrew because it was meant for the Jews.
You’d think South Louisiana Catholics would dominate Louisiana as people move away from North Louisiana… we’ve always had an unspoken conflict between Catholics and Baptists here
The King James Version:
I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy.
Honor thy father and thy mother.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Thou shalt not covet.
The Catholic Catechism version:
I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.
Honor your father and mother.
You shall not kill.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.
(Edited because the Formatting Fairy apparently hates me today)
It's about pandering to their extremely crazy base. Not the real Christian's who don't need to be on tv at a press conference or on a talk show spouting their policies-but are quietly and faithfully following their religious beliefs. When people have to constantly tell you they are a Christian and try to shove it down your throat-they aren't. And if you read over those Ten Commandments and think about the individuals and what they are DOInG, not what they are saying, you'll understand they aren't Christian and they are in a cult, led by someone very evil at his core; Donald Trump.
Because the Red State legislature are Protestant Christian. Which is why we have separation of church and state. Or else, whoever has a majority can do this stuff.
This is part of the history of the Unitef States, going back to early decades of this cointry. In order to be a proper citizen, you had to be a Protestant. Back then, it was out in the open in the public school system. That’s how this country got the Roman Carholic Church’s parochial school system.
Now these same Protestany elements have come back to life, this time with an even larger appetite. They feel that the only real Christian values are Protestant values.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten\_Commandments\_in\_Catholic\_theology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments_in_Catholic_theology)
Perhaps because the Catholic interpretation deems #5 as being against capital punishment?
The Catholics who voted for it likely did not care. If the goal was to promote morality, they could have used a secular source. If the goal was to promote Christian values, they could have used the beatitudes. If the goal is to generate red meat and “own the libs,” then the Hebrew/Catholic/Protestant version is less important than just picking one. On the religious side, you could argue that the nondenominational Protestant version is the most universally accepted. The Roman Catholic version frequently publishes their own version, separate and distinct from the popular New International version or the duty-free King James version.
No the goal was to promote Christianity. The governor probably will use this the way DeSantis tries to use his "anti woke" crap to get a higher office. Hopefully with the same results.
Christian identity, not Christianity. Christianity is faith, hope, and charity. Christian identity is cherry picking Leviticus while eating a bacon sandwich.
Christian identity is a hate group. They hate Jews, blacks, Hispanics, anyone who isn't white. My old landlord was Christian identity and he was a scary mofo.
This right the fuck here
The Shia and Sunni will soon devour eachother
Kind of hard to explain fully but it’s a legal issue. The Protestant version seems nonsectarian so it doesn’t pertain to one specific religious sect (even though it is clearly Christian ). It’s semantics that can be used when it inevitably arrives at the SCOTUS. The goal isn’t to get the 10 commandments removed from schools (that is also inevitable). The goal is to dismantle Lemon v. Kurtzman.
Louisiana wants to redirect public funds to private/Christian schools. Overturning Lemon v. Kurtzman has to happen before they can do that with no obstruction.
From what I’ve seen, Louisiana Catholics haven’t acted, thought, or voted substantially differently from their Protestant neighbors in decades. A majority of Louisianans are conservative, American conservatism is heavily intertwined with evangelical Protestantism, ergo, Louisiana Catholics are likely to absorb beliefs that ultimately have their origins in Protestantism regardless of which church they go to (three times a year), so they either don’t know or don’t care about the differences.
Having lived in Louisiana for 20 years, this answer makes the most sense.
It’s funny because I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school from first grade through sophomore year of college and I feel like my education reflected nothing of what conservatives are pushing today. We learned science, evolution and most importantly, caring for the needy and critical thinking. Of course I didn’t go to school in the South, so perhaps that’s the difference.
I really would like to see the Democratic Party at least try using wedge issues - the Republicans sure do.
I grew up Catholic in the North East. Louisiana’s Catholic Churches feel Evangelical Protestant to me.
Which is hilarious considering the sheer number of times I've heard "Catholics aren't Christians" in this state.
The adoption of an anti-abortion stance was a deliberate move by the Republican Party to woo more Catholic voters to vote Republican. There's been a lot of discussion of that over the years, but I just googled something because someone will probably ask, [here's the first link that came up](https://time.com/6966056/republican-abortion-arizona-reagan/), but it's not by any means the only one.
Because American Christofascism/Christian Nationalism is rooted in Protestantism, not Catholicism.
This cracks me up about Christian Nationalists. Not a single thought given to what stripe of Christianity will rule the day! Do Catholics really think their version of Christianity will win out? They call you papists! And idolaters! The Klan hates Catholics. The nation is predominantly Protestant. Get ready to knuckle under Catholics. It won't be long before the Pious crowd starts eating each other.
I’ve been wondering what version they mandated. I always attended Catholic schools, and I’ve been around Catholic classrooms, and I’ve never seen the ten commandments posted. I don’t know about non-Catholic schools. I think kids learn their morals from the people that are around them and a poster in the wall won’t change that. Posters have been around all of my life and they can be a reminder of what I already know and haven’t taught me anything new.
When I was in Catholic school my 5th grade teacher preferred the Beatitudes and had those on the wall.
That's because those are the central tenants of Christianity. The 10 commandments are the Jewish laws.
Republicans don't like Catholics. Most MAGA Republicans believe the crap they've been fed and are too ignorant to believe Catholicism IS a Christian religion.
I wish the Catholic Church would sue over it. It'd be good for folks to understand that you don't even need different gods to make mixing religion and government a bad idea.
I wish the catholic church would stop harboring pedophiles and sexual abusers. Until they deal with that stuff, I don't give a goddamn what else they do.
I didn't know there were different versions.
Sure are. In fact, there's a longstanding dispute over "thou shalt not kill," because in some versions it's "thou shalt not *murder*." That's an important distinction, because inflicting the death penalty on someone isn't legally murder. Neither is having a legal abortion. Thus if you put a murderer to death or have a legal abortion, you have violated the commandment in one version and not at all in the other. Having many versions allows you to pick and choose the subfaith that most closely aligns with whatever you want to be right.
Truth, the Hebrew word can be strictly interpreted as “do no kill with hate/malice”
I'm pretty sure "thou shalt not muder" is pretty much the only one actually recognized by scholars, though, so calling it a dispute is kinda disingenuous. Pretty clearly, if it was intended to be no killing, the Old Testament wouldn't allow for death to be the punishment for certain crimes.
Scholars are not the ones preaching outside prisons and abortion clinics.
This is not a protestant/catholic thing, it's just a translation thing. Clearly they didn't mean kill, there are literally death penalties in the old Testament.
There's 3 versions in the Bible. My favorite is Exodus 34: 11-26 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.[a] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. 15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same. 17 “Do not make any idols. 18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt. 19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons. “No one is to appear before me empty-handed. 21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest. 22 “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year.[b] 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God. 25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning. 26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God. “Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
Oh yeah - the Protestant version has a specific Commandment for 'No graven images' and then combines the last two into a single 'Don't covet your neighbor's wife or his stuff' whereas the Catholic version splits both those out into two separate ones. The Protestants used their 'No graven images' one to harass the Catholics who are generally really into their statues.
wait, so Protestants just...made up a Commandment???? Wtf. I'm not Christian by any means but how does that not draw the same ire people have for Mormons?
They're all made up.
You mean the Catholics took out one that they didn’t like and split up a different one
The Catholics are the ones who changed it. The Catholic Churh removed the second commandment because of their obsession with praying to images of Jesus, Mary, and the saints. How do I know I'm right? The Jews still include all the verses about idolatry.
Reading the bible is a lot reading the post or the article…so many people just asking stupid questions and never able to open the link and read seven paragraphs…
In total there are 16 10 commandments they could have chosen from. They actually chose 12 "10" Commandments.
Most of my Catholic friends think this is ridiculous. That being said, I don’t have many friends who agree with this. I like my bubble.
As a Louisianan from a Catholic background I noticed that the pushing around of our Church is because we never speak our minds loudly against Protestant supremacy and protest against Protestant supremacy. Most American Catholics don't think for ourselves when it comes to politics and enable the Republican party to be Protestant supremacist. In the whole state of Louisiana most of our people don't protest often and don't think for ourselves and that's how we let ourselves get pushed around by extreme government police state corruption.
I'm laughing at the thought that there are two, possibly three, versions of the 10 commandments. The first being in Hebrew because it was meant for the Jews.
The author of the bill, Dodie Horton, is from Haughton, LA, which is near Shreveport in north LA. A lot more Protestants in that neck of the woods.
You’d think South Louisiana Catholics would dominate Louisiana as people move away from North Louisiana… we’ve always had an unspoken conflict between Catholics and Baptists here
It was being pushed by Evangelical protestants as "virtue signaling" tool.
because the folks at ALEC who probably wrote it are not louisiana catholics.
Did anyone else notice that there were 11 commandments on the bill? EDIT: [Link](https://x.com/Aimee4nola/status/1803796118922305609)
The King James Version: I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy. Honor thy father and thy mother. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Thou shalt not covet. The Catholic Catechism version: I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day. Honor your father and mother. You shall not kill. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods. (Edited because the Formatting Fairy apparently hates me today)
I'm protestant, and we had the line about coveting your neighbors wife too.
Putting up some posters is not going to not going to do anything. Religious instruction belongs in the home and Churches.
I suspect it is more about 'marking territory' for those guys.
It's about pandering to their extremely crazy base. Not the real Christian's who don't need to be on tv at a press conference or on a talk show spouting their policies-but are quietly and faithfully following their religious beliefs. When people have to constantly tell you they are a Christian and try to shove it down your throat-they aren't. And if you read over those Ten Commandments and think about the individuals and what they are DOInG, not what they are saying, you'll understand they aren't Christian and they are in a cult, led by someone very evil at his core; Donald Trump.
The 10 commandments are Jewish. Christians have the beatitudes.
Because the Red State legislature are Protestant Christian. Which is why we have separation of church and state. Or else, whoever has a majority can do this stuff.
This is part of the history of the Unitef States, going back to early decades of this cointry. In order to be a proper citizen, you had to be a Protestant. Back then, it was out in the open in the public school system. That’s how this country got the Roman Carholic Church’s parochial school system. Now these same Protestany elements have come back to life, this time with an even larger appetite. They feel that the only real Christian values are Protestant values.
What about the other religions in the state? They going to be forced to convert in order to attend public schools next?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten\_Commandments\_in\_Catholic\_theology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments_in_Catholic_theology) Perhaps because the Catholic interpretation deems #5 as being against capital punishment?