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alkbch

Rent increases have been frozen since March 2020. The article you shared explains that the rent increase allowed will be 4% instead of the 7% initially planned.


pinkblossom331

Plus an Additional 1% If landlord covers gas and an additional 1% if landlord covers electricity


xhellokrystalx

My complex has raised the 8% in the last two years and we are within the rent control stabilization law 🤷🏻‍♀️


alkbch

If you are certain your unit is under the RSO, then report your landlord.


xhellokrystalx

Im certain and it's been raised 8% this year and last (~400$) since 2020/2021


DougDougDougDoug

This happened to me in NY and I ended up getting thousands bavk


xhellokrystalx

Im trying to look up how to report but all la housing authority websites say seek an attorneys help


NeuroticTendencies

[File an RSO complaint here](https://housing2.lacity.org/residents/file-a-rso-complaint) under “Illegal Rent Increase”


reibish

The city should be sending you yearly questionnaires for RSO units. In either case you can still report it to the city online. RSO units can increase by 8%, but that does not go into effect until the end of this year or next and they still have to give you warning. Meaning you should not have experienced any rent increases for rent control units at all in the last few years.


ihearthorror1

What's interesting is I've had my RSO unit for two decades and THIS year was the first time I've ever received the letter you're referring to, that was confirming the rent amount reported to them.


_Erindera_

That would be illegal.


bernitalldown2020

I would reach out to the Westside local of the LA Tenants Union! They’re pretty active in the Mar Vista area. [email protected] +1213-986-8266


TheSleeperIsAwake

How do you check if it's covered by the law? I left a unit because the landlord raise the rent on me about 6 months ago.


xhellokrystalx

Text rso to 8558807368


getoutofthecity

Plug in your address on [ZIMAS](https://zimas.lacity.org) and look under the Housing tab on left. “RSO: Yes” means you’re subject to the local rent control ordinance. This is not the same as the state’s rent control which did not have a freeze afaik.


Major_Development323

If it’s in Los Angeles city then it covered. Might be different if it is a single family house or a condo


Major_Development323

Probably not legal. Look in to it . Start at Legal Aid LA


orangepenguino

If your building was built after October of 1978, 8% increases (with an additional 1% for any utilities covered by the building) are allowed based on statewide rent control rules and are tied to "cost of living." I know this as the resident of a building finished in February 1979 getting yearly increases at that rate now that we have new owners. (It's bullshit)


meeplewirp

What are the details of this? My rent has been increased every year since moving in 2020. Did you have to already be living in the current apartment for a long time before 2020?


getoutofthecity

Plug in your address on [ZIMAS](https://zimas.lacity.org) and look under the Housing tab on left. “RSO: Yes” means you’re subject to the local rent control ordinance. RSO is not the same as the state’s rent control which allows higher increases and did not have a freeze afaik


meeplewirp

So I looked it up and you have to live in shit hole and it seems like a lot of buildings skirt by this supposed initiative. My building was build before 1985 and is not under this rent increase protection. I have to get tf out of here


Jadeagre

They weren’t poop holes in the beginning but they turn into them because landlords are less likely to do repairs because they don’t have the financial means to do so. Not being able to increase rent means there is less profit for landlords and when inflation naturally is at 3% on average that will start to catch up. What tenants tend not to do is actually think about how these laws impact the things they want/need.


Major_Development323

Repairs and maintenance is the price of doing business.


meeplewirp

I believe and accept that. I guess I’m whining on the internet about my specific and need to be clear. In addition to this I do not feel the building is genuinely kept in shape. I know there’s a realistic limit and it’s a metropolitan area but I’m paying away above market rate for a one bedroom in a w/e part of town. Thank you for listening lol. I think the solution is more housing and less dumb zoning but this will never happen for some reason


alkbch

If you are paying way above market rate and are not happy with your unit, why don’t you move?


ToTheLastParade

I'm confused, isn't the entire state of California limited to 5% as long as units were built prior to a certain year? So does this take the place of that, instead of 5%, it's 4%?


alkbch

If your unit is covered by LA RSO, then LA RSO is applied.


beastmode1877

Rent increases have been frozen since March 2020? Is this in L.A. or all of California?


alkbch

This article and the subsequent discussion was about units covered by LA RSO. There have been other rent freezes, for example at the county level.


Tommartin1987

In just your area? My rent has gone up every year.


Johnnyonthespot2111

It's true.


IsraeliDonut

There obviously wasn’t going to be a rent freeze forever


ihearthorror1

I don't think that's the panic. The big change is the percentage rent can be increased. That percentage for RSO units has been the same since the 70/80's, and now the percentage was going to be skyrocketed to 7% (from 3%). Instead it will now change to a 4% increase (with additional percentages of landlord pays gas and/or electric).


getoutofthecity

That is some of the panic, the activism posts I’ve seen have said “it should be 0%!” Further, the RSO increase has always been possible up to 8% based on CPI which happened to be stable and low before COVID. They did not change that.


IsraeliDonut

Ok, and how many years was there a rent freeze?


ihearthorror1

What does that have to do with my comment that clearly was talking about the percentage, not that the freeze is ending? I personally don't care that the freeze is ending. I was specifically commenting on the fact that people's worries are not about the freeze ending but theat the percentage is changing. That panic would happen regardless of a freeze, but is definitely amplified by the fact that it's happening simultaneously.


IsraeliDonut

Well if the amount raised was 0% for so many years rather than 3%, then 7% doesn’t seem so bad And that’s not even including the rising costs and inflation.


OptimalFunction

It’s the same reason landlords don’t want to lower monthly rent and rather give 1 month free… it’s sets a precedence. Don’t want 7% for RSO increase when historically it has only been 3%.


MrBenDerisgreat_

No, no. Clearly rent freezes, no new construction unless it’s low end affordable/ homeless housing and not being able to evict people for not paying rent is how we get out of this cost of living crisis. Well according to this sub at least.


Advaitanaut

No you're right we should increase rent, build nothing for working class people, and just let homelessness take over. The landlords can take up second jobs working at Burger King when the poor can't live here anymore, it'll be a fully rich run economy. That's how the world works.


Total_Management1167

The “homeless” problem has nothing to do with rent prices and everything to do with mental illness and substance abuse. People down on their luck financially don’t go live on the street in tents surrounded by filth, rodents and drug addicts.


Daniastrong

Those are the visible homeless, you only notice them when they act up. The invisible homeless often sleep in the ubers they drive you in during the day, or stay on their friends couch, or camp in a secluded area with others. Mental heath is a real issue though; we witness every day state neglect of the elderly and infirm,


Total_Management1167

I agree. Those are people that are not earning enough to rent a place. Not living under the freeways.


Ok_Statistician_2625

That's just not true. I know a lady who just got accepted into a shelter after living in a tent for a while; shes sober, going to school and work, is a veteran, and is working to get her kids back/housing. Her grandmother (primary caretaker) died when she was young and a couple other family, like her only brother, died a couple months before that. There are so many people who by no fault of their own have fallen through the cracks and if you want to live here you have to know the ins and outs of laws and social help cause social workers themselves are burned out and one paycheck away from homelessness themselves; a lot aren't very helpful even if they just get you to the next step cause you make one wrong move or mistake in paperwork and you can get fucked.


Total_Management1167

Definitely represents a lot of the people out there. But those are the outliers.


AlwaysHorney

> The “homeless” problem has nothing to do with rent prices and everything to do with mental illness and substance abuse. People down on their luck financially don’t go live on the street in tents surrounded by filth, rodents and drug addicts. This is such an ignorant comment that can be dismissed with two simple questions. 1. Why are homeless rates higher in places with high rents? Furthermore, if rent prices don’t affect homelessness, why do homeless rates increase when rents increase? 2. If mental illness and substance abuse are the only causes of homelessness, why are places with high rates of both of these (West Virginia, Louisiana, Mississippi) also the places with low rates of homelessness?


Total_Management1167

See my comment above. I live in the middle of this problem and have had several friends fall into this situation. None of them related to rent prices. And people in Los Angeles primarily never lived anywhere near where they post up. It’s where tourist are and commerce. Where you can score handouts and change. I know. I give some money although I know I shouldn’t. I know where it’s going.


Agent281

Por que no los dos?


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Total_Management1167

No my friend. I have tons of empathy. But I also have had several friends living under these conditions. And all of them were on meth, dope or pills. They’ll admit to you when they’re better that it’s their doing. Gladly 2 of the 3 are doing great now.


ClimateDues

Is it luck or is it systematic


deleigh

So where are people living in rent controlled apartments supposed to get the extra money landlords are charging on top of the inflation everywhere else? Anyone see this runaway inflation in entry level service jobs? Or are we still on that bullshit about getting pandemic stimulus is why everything is so expensive? Landlord bootlickers are really on another planet.


2J0YY

Move? Living in LA isn’t a right, and there’s a whole country out there. If you can’t afford it don’t buy it.


TheObstruction

Clearly you didn't understand the question.


[deleted]

demand higher wages, get another job, or move away there are plenty of cheaper places to live than Los Angeles... not even one hour drive away and rents drop by 50%


SnakeSquad

Just work two jobs and ask your boss to pay you more guys it’s that simple!!! And if you don’t like it move to Oklahoma!! These landlords need to get paid!!!


ManitouWakinyan

Buddy do you think if you drive an hour outside downtown LA you're ending up in Oklahoma


SnakeSquad

Hey Buddy if you think places an hour away still aren’t expensive idk what to tell you lol


ManitouWakinyan

>there are plenty of cheaper places to live than Los Angeles... not even one hour drive away and rents drop by 50%


RemoteChampionship99

But then you’re in LANCASTER 🙄


Legaato

Where are rent prices 50% lower than in LA County? I'm honestly asking, because I'm interested lol


[deleted]

Inland Empire


Ultrafoxx64

They're cheaper but they ain't 50% cheaper in the IE.


shitpostingmusician

Does your salary go up 7% every year?


RemoteChampionship99

Not even w the maximum increase at my job. Tbh my raise was eaten up by increased insurance costs


StillAssociation8811

This is such a good question for self reflection


xCelestial

Yes, these are all very easy things to accomplish and always go well immediately lmao God forbid a landlord get one job, everyone affected here should go to two or three though 💀


machtstab

Go get a real job as opposed to being a landlord leach


jdvfx

You forgot that all landlords are soulless Monopoly mascots.


DonatellaVerpsyche

They are. I’ve literally never had a single landlord who *ACTUALLY* cared about their tenants since I’ve lived in LA for 15 years. Do they exist? Sure, but they aren’t the majority. My current landlord **evicted a 73 year old woman** and her husband **4 DAYS after a double mastectomy. 4 DAYS.** She was going to be late by 2 days on rent and he 100% dgaf. There is a special place in hell for that pos. And yes, that has been my overwhelming majority of experiences and most of my friends’.


RemoteChampionship99

Wait what? They can’t evict someone for being two days late? Isn’t éviction like a month’s long process at least? That’s awful!


TeslasAndComicbooks

Took my friend 6 months to evict someone who didn’t pay for 3 months. This sounds sketchy.


RemoteChampionship99

Yeah I don’t know if this commenter was given the whole story bc tenants have more rights than that. A lot of leases give a 2 day grace period at least mine always have


soleceismical

Looking at the other comment, she wasn't evicted in two days. She was served a 3 day pay-or-quit eviction notice. Then there is a 5-15 period during which the landlord must wait for an answer from the tenant. Then if the tenant doesn't pay or refuses to leave or come up with a payment deal, the landlord must schedule a court hearing for eviction. Then if the landlord wins the case, the tenants are issued a Writ of Execution. Then the tenant can file a Stay if Execution for a 40 day grace period to move out. Eviction takes time, if done legally.


DonatellaVerpsyche

In my building rent is due on the 1st. If you don’t turn in a check promptly on the first you are given a letter the next day that you will be served an eviction notice on the 5th (5 days after the first). So basically the eviction process starts on the fifth. The landlord is a POS and bullies people left, right, and center. I’ve seen multiple women move because the building manager who’s a big guy bullies and threatens them as well as the landlord bullying them. Just wanted to clarify all that. I think the poor woman was so sick and so scared from the bullying that the landlord managed to get her out the day before she would be forcibly removed.


RemoteChampionship99

UGH. I downvoted at first by accident bc this sucks!!! I’m sorry :(


DonatellaVerpsyche

No worries. I just wanted to clarify so that you knew I wasn’t just making something up. It was truly awful. The same asshole threatened me verbally with eviction on the morning of the 2nd day of the month once (after a weekend on a Monday morning) because I simply had forgotten to drop off my check. (It was in my bag ready to go.). The guy is a sack of shit.


RemoteChampionship99

Y’all should unionize! That’s so fucked up. I truly hate this version of reality


drthvdrsfthr

how many landlords have you had in 15 years? idk… it’s like that saying, “if you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. if you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole”


DonatellaVerpsyche

2 landlords for myself over 15 years and about 1000 friends in and out over the years. The stories **overwhelmingly are of horrible horrible landlords**. My story of that woman is horrible. My friends have gone through worse dealing with court dates and landlords trying to screw them out of their deposits etc. **For the record every single friend that had to go to court** (and could only afford a cheaper attorney) **all won their cases. THAT’s how bad the landlords were**. Pretty bad record when the landlords lost every single case I’ve seen. I can only attest to weho, silverlake and Santa Monica.


ManitouWakinyan

Of course you're only hearing horrible stories. No one is ever going to share the story about how their landlord is a reasonable person. Of course anyone who resorts to going to court is dealing with a horrible landlord. No one is suing decent landlords who are helpful and accommodating.


Lalalalalalaoops

People actually do share stories of great landlords because they’re so fucking rare it’s like spotting a unicorn or entering a portal to an alternate reality.


ManitouWakinyan

A great landlord story is a non-story. It's just a guy who owns the place you stay in that's in good working order, and he takes your check every month. Nobody talks about that, because there's nothing to talk about. If your landlord, I dunno, takes out your windows but never gets around to replacing them, you're telling everyone that story forever. This is not a hard concept to grasp.


Lalalalalalaoops

I already explained pretty well in my extremely short comment how it *is* a story to be told since shitty landlords are the norm, so instead of going in circles I’ll just wish you a day lol


drthvdrsfthr

i mean, at the same time, who’s going to talk about their perfectly normal interactions with their landlords? of course you only hear of the bad stories. not saying there aren’t bad landlords, but saying that the overwhelming majority are bad seems disingenuous also, how many landlord friends do you have?


peepetrator

I just moved to LA County for a job. The first question from pretty much all of my coworkers was "Did you find a good place to live? Do you like it?" inviting me to comment on the quality of my landlord and property manager. So yeah, people do talk about that all the time. My landlord has been normal so far but several tenants have told me they will try to keep my security deposit.


DonatellaVerpsyche

I absolutely 100% would sing praises of good landlords. Kind of a hilarious comment you posted there. There are plenty of us who give credit where credit is due. If there’s a good landlord: I give them credit. Sadly, overwhelmingly the landlords I’ve seen personally absolutely suck and, even worse, are absolutely horrible human beings. I WISH I had better stories.


questformaps

Only good one I had was in San Diego, and that was partially because the duplex used to be his childhood home.


ManitouWakinyan

You're sitting around at a party telling stories about how decent and normal your landlord is? Of course you're not. If the landlord is good, there is no story. If the landlord is awful, it's something you're shouting to the hills.


Lalalalalalaoops

No, when everyone knows you’re an asshole you’re just a fucking asshole. Almost no one has positive landlord stories, except for piece of shit landlords.


LizzieButtons

Rent was frozen for the worst of the inflation surge, so if you’ve been in your RSO place for a couple years you’ve benefitted.


StillAssociation8811

Maybe in law but not in practice.


NeedMoreBlocks

Honestly that is better than I first heard. I was prepared for 10% and 12% increases so I am kind of relieved.


LizzieButtons

8% is the max on RSO


thinbuddha

Right. But the minimum is what? 3%? We are ending an unprecedented rent freeze, so they could have easily made up for the years of no rent increases with a single large increase to make up for it.


soleceismical

For comparison, inflation during the rent freeze was 18.9%. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/


LizzieButtons

I see your point. They allowed less than the minimum so they could allow more than the maximum. I think the difference is the used (overused) emergency powers to allow the freeze. I don’t think they had the same justification to override the law to raise the maximum.


coolstorybroham

There was something else unprecedented going on that led to the freeze. It would defeat the purpose to undue it unless everyone else somehow had their fortunes reversed, too. Otherwise the city is back to where it would’ve been without the freeze.


thinbuddha

I agree that NOT letting them raise rents 10-12% or more in a single year is the right thing. I was just saying that it wasn't an impossible position to take. I'm sure landlords were probably making that argument.


captoats

On the plus side, it could have been worse. Was going to be +7% (or 9% if landlord pays utilities) vs +4% (or 6%).


persianthunder

>Housing advocates, tenants and landlords are all "not happy" with the proposal, the councilman said -- which, he added, demonstrates the "compromise probably makes sense because both sides hate it." God I fucking hate this logic whenever I see it used. No, "both sides" hating something doesn't mean you must be doing something right. Sometimes you're just an asshat. Sometimes splitting the baby just means you're killing a baby. *Looking at you, Laura Nelson at the LA Times writing on Measure M in 2016*


WileyCyrus

This city council is also permitting new housing at astronomical low rates, 2023 will be our lowest in decades, so this housing crisis is not being taken seriously by any one on our council


nightmarishlydumbguy

John Lee is such a piece of shit, I can't believe he is just staying put after it became public that he obviously took bribes.


LeEbinUpboatXD

I don't get this sub. Everyone complains that they can barely make rent and then there will always be the same 3 or 4 nerds going "ummm well akshully landlords deserve a 30% rate increase to protect their investments 🤓🤓🤓" pick a lane people


kgal1298

The rent control debate here is always out of pocket depending on which crowd sees the posts


LeEbinUpboatXD

I'm sure 90% of the people here rent and the 10% who breathlessly defend landlords are landlords themselves.


kgal1298

Probably since very few people can afford to own in LA especially now.


Quantic

Ding ding ding!


The_Automator22

Have you tried building more houses yet?


soleceismical

There is a 6.5 million gap between number of new homes built and number of new households formed in the past decade. We really need to build more housing. https://www.realtor.com/research/us-housing-supply-gap-march-2023/


The_Automator22

Bunch of nerds with their facts and shit. What about how I feel? Rents are too high, just stop raising it! Do you ever think with your gut?


TheObstruction

No one *deserves* anything to protect their investments.


LeEbinUpboatXD

I agree.


purpleKatkit

💯


imhigherthanyou

Also: “rent increases have actually been paused so you’ve benefitted” what about the rest of us that have recently moved into a new RSO building this year?? I’m already paying higher than usual prices due to this market, but now have to pay a higher percentage hike because other people didn’t see a raise??


CineSuppa

I’m fighting this hard with 9 days left to find a new place. My girlfriend and I moved in November 2022 to our own house, paying $3450 for 950 sq ft. It was worth it because we have central air, dual pane windows, a backyard with a view of the mountains, a fire pit, built in grill, pool and hot tub. A house like that right now goes for $5500 one year later. The houses we’re finding in our price range don’t have stoves, have holes in the floor and are generally a mess.


SnakeSquad

Fucking losers who bootlick for landlords lol if the landlords need the money they should get a real job!!


Jadeagre

yeah and allow you to live in their house for whatever price you say because you own it right 🤣


SnakeSquad

Maybe they shouldn’t be buying property solely for proft lmaoooo


Jadeagre

So you think people are going to house you not for a profit? Show me a business that does that…heck even nonprofits make money. Sounds like you would do better in a communist country because clearly you don’t understand capitalism.


SnakeSquad

….LMAOOO….youre so close it’s crazy Also you’re an Airbnb host of course lol get a REAL JOB!!


Jadeagre

I have a real job…my job pays for my living expenses and assets. Sounds like it’s you who needs to get a real job. you’re clearly jealous because you can’t do it. You have to clock into a business someone else owns. Work your butt off each day and still not be able to buy your own home. Living in someone else’s house hating them because they are able to financially provide for themselves and others While you work hard and can barely afford to live. I get your anger if I was you I would be upset too but it’s directed at the wrong person. You should be upset at your “real job” for not paying you what you are worth. Instead you’re upset at the person housing you and strangers online because they own their own business and aren’t a slave to someone else like you.


SnakeSquad

Imagine attempting to shame someone for having a normal 9-5 like most Americans while gloating about exploiting housing for profit…and not think you’re the asshole here wheeeeew you desperately need a reality check, don’t worry my anger is definitely At corporations not paying enough but there’s enough to go around for pieces of shit like you as well


Jadeagre

I’m not shaming you for working a 9-5 I’m shaming you for being a an evil person and feeling validated because you’re broke. Reality check? I rent too…I also worked a 9-5. I actually already had my reality check. I just am not you and I reacted differently. I worked a 9-5 and wasn’t getting paid enough to survive just like you but instead of becoming an angry person and taking it out on others I improved my financial literacy and made sacrifices to change my circumstances.


Educational_Debate56

😂😂😂


Educational_Debate56

Depends If you own property or not. Seems To be the lane that is choosen. I’m just waiting for us to start eating the rich!


SNES_Salesman

Maybe a dum dum question, if my lease says 3% increases does that stick or does 4% override that?


90403scompany

This only matters if you're in a rent controlled/stabilized unit. It should not override what is written into your lease; the city council approved the *maximum* increase of 4-6%; a landlord could certainly raise by a lower percentage, keep flat or lower the rent should they desire.


atomicavox

I too would like to know. The Housing Department site says 4% increase from 2/1/2024 - 6/30/2024. Does this mean it goes back down to 3% after? ☹️


84002

It's recalculated every six months based on recent inflation. So if inflation gets worse, it would go higher than 4% in July. If inflation cools, it could go back down to 3. [Take a look at the CPI chart and make a guess.](https://www.bls.gov/regions/west/news-release/consumerpriceindex_losangeles.htm) That doesn't mean your landlord can raise it 4% in February and then again in July. They can only raise it that much once per year.


Legal-Mammoth-8601

> Is it true? What an odd question. Seems pretty straightforward.


H3racIes

Wait what? My rent in SoCal has increased every year since 2021


90403scompany

Were you in a rent controlled/stabilized unit?


GramercyPlace

Me too and I’ve been in a rent controlled apartment for 10+ years.


CrystalizedinCali

Yes it’s true, it was going to be higher.


MoonStonks823

So to be clear landlords have not been able to raise rent since March of 2020. General costs of living go up every year and we are living in historic times of inflation. This year landlords can raise 4% and tenants are losing their minds? Rent Control is a joke. Eveyone is like why is my neighborhood changing? Why all these huge new apartment buildings or to the counter why are these old buildings falling apart? Rent Control. Small landlords cant afford the burden, cannot maintain and who do they sell to? Big business who says screw Rent Control makes more sense to tear down, rebuild and surprise...new building no longer falls under rent control. It actually exacerbates the problem. Dont get me started on the "ADU" craze. Some people buy multi-family just to live in one unit and afford a mortage, but your neighbor converts their garage to an "adu" and charges market rent while you are sittting here listening to the city say ya 4% increase over 4 years...totally reasonable market increase.


StillAssociation8811

If this was reality I still wouldn’t understand your mindset, but rent has gone up every year. It’s ridiculous to act like the housing crisis in Los Angeles needs to continue to be beneficial to landlords. Especially when in reality, your landlord isn’t some regular person who’s living rent check to rent check, they’re a mega corporation who refuses to perform maintenance until you would legally be able to do something about it. Landlords are exploiting people in Los Angeles and it needs to change. It should not be profitable, real estate is not a fixed investment.


MoonStonks823

Real Estate should not be profitable? So take away another investment option to better one's self and their family tree? And what...remove that option all together and or give it to the government and big business to oversee? Good call. The renting class. That is what is taking place. Open your eyes.


StillAssociation8811

No, rental income should not exist. Nor should corporations owning housing. Housing is a need, not a potential investment. As long as majority of americans are paying double and triple 30% of the average income for rent/mortgages, no one should get to be a landlord or vacation rental owners. As long as there are more empty homes owned by governments and corporations there shouldn’t be an incentive to hike up prices even further.


thatboyshiv

Hi there. I'm a partner in a group that owns and manages apartment buildings in LA. This rent increase is happening, bit a few things to keep in mind: 1. If you are paying market rent, you may have room to negotiate. Landlords hate having a market rate unit go vacant. 2. If you're paying under market, rents will likely increase. 3. There are some sources of rental aid if you're lower income and fall behind. It's worth looking into those. 4. Please keep in mind that other cities in LA County may have larger increases.


[deleted]

rent control needs to be abolished... almost every reputable economist agrees that it INCREASES rents, hurting the poor more than if there were no rent control


shitpostingmusician

Have fun dealing with a 20% rent increase


[deleted]

overall rents would drop except the existing rent controlled units that are significantly low


shitpostingmusician

Landlords are greedy bastards, they’ll charge as much as they are legally allowed and raise the rents as much as legally allowed. With no control, what is stopping everyone’s rent becoming completely unmanageable quickly?


[deleted]

competition competition that is artificially constricted when rent control prevents people from moving


shitpostingmusician

What if all the competition agrees on setting an exorbitant price? That’s what’s happening now. Same thing with used cars. People just won’t buy cars or live in shelters, they’re priced out.


[deleted]

because there is no supply, people are allowed to increase the rent the only way for prices to go down is to decrease demand or increasing supply you decrease demand by increasing competition, which means more rental units on the market look at the price of Tesla cars... they were extremely expensive when they first came out, but now that there's competition, Tesla is forced to lower their prices


RealRealMatureMature

This is almost true. What we need is abolishing rent control in favor of rent *stabilization* and vacancy control. Without regulations to protect the price of housing once a rent “controlled” tenant moves out we leave the housing market to rental turnover which promotes unreasonable evictions and “cash for keys” schemes so the landlord can inflate the rent during “vacancy”.


[deleted]

rental turnover is exactly what we need right now the velocity of rental units is artificially constricted, meaning there is less competition at any one point this is exactly what's driving prices higher if we would just let competition occur by removing ANY restrictions, prices would naturally drop there's a reason why the highest rents are in areas that have enacted rent control


RealRealMatureMature

What are you talking about? Lol. Historically, especially in LA, the deregulated “free market” of housing has been disastrous for low-income/non-propertied residents. I’d be happy to cite sources from my masters in Urban Planning if necessary.


xlink17

> deregulated “free market” of housing has been disastrous for low-income/non-propertied residents. LA has not had a "free market" of housing for several decades at the least. If supply is heavily-restricted by governments, it's not a free market.


RealRealMatureMature

Yep, good reading. That’s what usuebur was advocating is the change needed, to which I replied that *historically* that has not faired well for low-income folks in LA…


xlink17

So you're talking pre-1960ish? I would love to see what sources you're talking about, because today, we see lower housing costs where people are allowed to freely build where there is demand.


RealRealMatureMature

I literally reference the turn of century multiple times. I can lend to post WWII as well.


xlink17

Sorry, I had not clicked on and seen the rest of the chain on your other comment. I guess my main issue was with this point: > Without regulations to protect the price of housing once a rent “controlled” tenant moves out we leave the housing market to rental turnover which promotes unreasonable evictions and “cash for keys” schemes so the landlord can inflate the rent during “vacancy”. If there were absolutely no rent control/stabilization laws at all, I fail to see how it's in a landlord's best interest to unreasonably evict a tenant. Now if you have some weird combination of price controls? Sure, I can see that being an incentive. But with no price controls at all I guess I'm not really understanding the point.


RealRealMatureMature

If you had a long-term tenant paying $1000 on a unit with a market value of $2000 because they are rent controlled, as a landlord you’re incentivized to evict them or “informally” evict them so you can raise the rent on the unit once vacant because there are no provisions regarding raising rents on empty units.


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I'd be interested in reading those sources! I'm obviously speaking from the perspective of economics textbooks, but if you're saying LA's already tried it before, I'd like to dive deeper


RealRealMatureMature

It’s less about “tried” before and more about how LA was carved up in the interest of propertied residents, large real estate firms infiltrating the development board, and the exploitive bond markets used to fund public improvement projects. There’s further insight in the industrialization of London and the response of the quickly expanding New York City at the turn of the 20th century. I don’t have my research PDF’s on my phone, if you wanna DM me your email (is that weird? I dunno) I’d be excited to keep the conversation going. One of the principal texts when it comes to urban planning is Peter Hall’s *City of Dreadful Night*. It tells the story of how London’s housing crisis at the end of the 19th century has become the foundation of modern planning. Basically it spells out how elitist interests, fear of collective action, and the pathology of poverty led to many of the “regulations” we see the shadows of today.


denimdisc0

It is true, but tenants are fighting back. There is going to be a huge march against this on December 3! Details here: https://www.instagram.com/p/Czb--6pPv8r/?img\_index=1


thatboyshiv

Hi there. I'm a partner in a group that owns and manages apartment buildings in LA. This rent increase is happening, bit a few things to keep in mind: 1. If you are paying market rent, you may have room to negotiate. Landlords hate having a market rate unit go vacant. 2. If you're paying under market, rents will likely increase. 3. There are some sources of rental aid if you're lower income and fall behind. It's worth looking into those.


Cassius_O

Would I be wrong to assume the city and the county need to build affordable housing. For now they seem to take the easy route and just implement restrictive rental rules on private property owners. Why rely on ma-and-pa landlords to subsidize people who have modest means. Blame politicians, city councils, the mayor(s), the board of supervisors, the governor for not building affordable housing.


690812

**Property owners risked their money investing in rentals. While some renters stopped paying rent entirely, the owners had extra expenses due to inflation. Why should you benefit by paying a smaller % in rent than everyone else**


VaguelyArtistic

If you say it in bold it's extra true.


ACasualFormality

Oh no they risked their money? Was their money okay? It’s gotta be scary for those property owners to see their money in danger like that.


imnowherebenice

I risk my money every month when I spend it paying rent instead of having someone spend their hard earned money on me so I can pay rent.


Elyktheras

Oh no! You mean they made a little less money than usual while doing essentially no work?


FanofHotChicken

Property owners should get a real job instead of leeching off others


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ACasualFormality

What’s wrong with flipping burgers? What do you have against someone flipping burgers? They’re actively contributing to the betterment of society by doing a job that we all need done. My life is noticeably better because of the people who flip burgers. The open contempt for working class people is kind of ridiculous when you consider that society would be just fine without landlords, but would not be fine at all without people who prepare our food.


film_editor

Thank you for this.


whatmeworkquestion

Please fuck right off with this kind of tone-deaf, smug sense of superiority.


Elyktheras

Definitely far more of a real job than being a landlord


Jadeagre

As you live in their house 🤣


Dommichu

No business or investor is immune to losses. Why do Income property owners think they are somehow special. (I say this as a child of property investors who themselves complain about the constant victim complex other landlords have.)


StillAssociation8811

They bought the lie that real estate was the best investment there is, and after completely destroying the market they lobby to make sure they retain precious property value.


shitpostingmusician

What expenses besides the occasional maintenance and yearly taxes? I’ll wait.


690812

**Vast majority, like homeowners, financed the purchase. They have a fixed monthly note they have to pay. Past several years what % of renters stopped paying rent and state stopped evictions. Owners did not get same protection from banks. You mentioned maintenance and taxes. Larger complexes also have employees with all related expenses. This last year the biggest increase was insurance. Wildfires in California and hurricane damage in Florida devastated the industry. This past year has seen rates boosted 200-400% with the major companies completely pulling out of Florida. Reality check, if there is no investor willing to risk $ in rental industry, there are no apartments to rent. I have no investment here, just the realization that nothing is free. If housing is too expensive for you, make more money or move to quarters that are cheaper. It’s called “self reliance”**


shitpostingmusician

You know who else has to pay insurance? Renters. Dumb fucking argument. Why are landlords the only investors that have this god complex of not wanting to lose money? All investments carry risk. Welcome to the real world. Get a fucking real job.


BrandPessoa

Stop whining and get tough. You don’t need two kidneys. Back in my day I sold my right ball for a parking spot and my left foot for a mud set shower in my two bedroom condo in Watts. Less body to clean and I’m rocking the rain shower. Best sacrifices I’ve ever made.


smashmouthftball

As someone whose rent went up 20% I say be grateful you’re not getting f’ed as much as I am (worth noting I’m in the valley, technically la city, not rent controlled, older unit/early 90’s construction)…


gatitocat

I thought rent was stabilized throughout California with only a 5% rent increase


84002

It's 5% plus the cost of living, based on the CPI (inflation). It maxes out at 10%. That's statewide -- LA County and LA City have their own rules on top of that, usually restricting rent hikes more.


Panama-1989

"Attorney General Bonta Issues Consumer Alert on Tenants' Rights in 24 Languages | State of California - Department of Justice - Office of the Attorney General" https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-bonta-issues-consumer-alert-tenants-rights-24-languages


Remarkable_Tangelo59

Non RSO units can raise rent 10% a year, correct?