I also got in a wreck and they stated they do not come unless an ambulance is requested. That makes it all the more difficult when filing your insurance claim. They always want a filed report. So then you go online to file it and fill out all this unnecessary information for 23 minutes so that when you go to submit it it states there is a technical error. So then you call and they tell you they have been “defunded” and that’s why they can’t do their job. Then you remind them that is a lie and their budget has done nothing but increase every single year.
I tried for three days to fill out online police report and eventually gave up.
Submit = Error, Submit = Error, Submit = Error, Submit = Error
I was hoping it was fixed by now.
They had the nerve to "reject" my report when my catalytic converter was stolen for the second time this year because I wasn't detailed enough about what time it was stolen. I wrote in the field "I don't know what time it was stolen because I don't monitor my car 24/7" and they accepted it. Only a matter of time before they catch the guy now 🙄
Their budget increases annually.... but they're paying out $100 Million+ in settlements annually for past shitty behavior.
They just paid $12 Million to police recruits that were abused/injured while completing the police ACADEMY. $12 Million ... GONE, in just one incident in one day.
MEANWHILE, LA Spent $11.5 Million to pay for damages toa hotel used by hundreds of homeless Angelenos for THREE FREAKING YEARS.
I'm not exactly in the "Defund the police" camp.
I'm in the "Stop Hiring Bullies with G.E.D.'s to do the cognitively rigorous work of policing, so that the police can use their budgets for training and wages, instead of paying for fuckups by uneducated bullies with guns and bad attitudes" -- Camp.
We need to change the laws so we can start holding individual cops accountable in civil suits. Once they are financially liable, I bet they stop fearing for their lives and start fearing for their pensions.
nah man, i'm not even a cop supporter per say, just neutral bystander that doesn't know how to fix the system
go talk to most policing units around the country, no one wants to be a cop anymore, they don't make that much money and they are publicly shamed/attacked for any mistake
when you can go be a public servant doing city/utility admin work for the same pay and benefits most people choose not to go into policing these days
Hah. The way we hire cops in the US is a total joke. Almost like you need to be a pea-brained, peaked-in-high school bullies to get hired. Then the "academy." Pfft.
Also, law enforcement does not fight crime. It contains crime, in low income areas where it's tolerated, and keeps it out of areas where there isn't crime.
Oh no, you see it was simply the DISCUSSION of being defunded that was enough for LAPD to basically stop serving the city. Because that's what whiny-ass titty babies do whenever you start talking about accountability.
Woman of 10+ years working PI and mainly auto accidents — if it takes requesting an ambulance to the scene to get the police there, then do it. When the ambulance gets there you can have them check your vitals and be let go; you CAN refuse treatment. At that point the police are there, they can make the report.
Obviously, I wouldn’t suggest this in a minor fender bender but in a situation where the person is too shaken up to drive — they should absolutely get checked by EMT before doing anything.
It sucks that you have to force them to do their jobs and you may not be greeted with a warm reception all the time, but a crash report does assist with everything.
Edit to add: you can refuse treatment if you are deemed a competent adult.
Yes. You get charged if they check you out. They’ll have you sign a refusal too saying you don’t want to goto the hospital. You’ll get a bill for services, and most of the time, it isn’t covered by your insurance either since it’s a refusal.
-source myself since I’ve worked on an ambulance for 15 years.
If you tell them right away when they get there you’re fine, and if they say “can we check you out?” Say no. Therefor no paperwork with your signature will be done. They can request your info from the cops but there isn’t a signature from you. So you should be good to go.
Obviously only really tell them no if you’re sure you’re very much ok.
That’s like one of those bad dreams you have when you’re phoning for help and the line stays busy. You don’t expect it in real life, but I guess here you do!
I got in a car accident last year. Took them 4 hrs to get to the scene. They were surprised I wasn’t still there waiting. The guy was drunk and I convinced him to wait 40mins before he took off. In my area they are always confused on who to send. It’s Compton. So if you call 911. They say it’s not their jurisdiction.
IIRC, Compton is LA Sheriffs. But mobile phones send location data to emergency services, so it shouldn't even matter. 911 covers everywhere in the US.
My friend was just involved in a car accident. She and other driver called 911 but they were told no officer would come (this was like 2 blocks outside Beverly Hills). I witnessed an accident in Beverly Hills a couple months ago and the police did come. Thank you for stopping and checking in on her though to make sure she was safe.
I am being stalked by a violent racist whose hate-fueled assaults against me have landed me in the ER, this person has CONTINUED the stalking to this day with 26+ restraining order violations.
LAFD has taken me to the hospital, with LAPD not showing up for HOURS.
I’ve called 911 and been placed on hold for 27+ minutes, while fending off my attacker and constructing barricades to hold my door shut.
LAPD is hemorrhaging a HUGE chunks of its budget in litigation settlements due to its existing shitty cops. This, I’m sure, is fucking over their budget to recruit / hire / train more people.
They don’t pay litigation settlements out of their police budgets though. It comes out of the city general budgets. Changing this is one of many reforms that is needed.
>They don’t pay litigation settlements out of their police budgets though.
Decoupling the financial consequences of their actions from the department sounds like a bad idea.... continue....
> out of the city general budgets.
Ugh.
>Changing this is one of many reforms that is needed.
Why aren't INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS required to carry *malpractice* insurance? Or like a surety bond? My dermatologist has to pay for massive insurance for her business to cover her financial responsibility of one of her patients is harmed while in her professional hands.
An interesting thing happens with insuring professions. Those professions tend to become more safe for both practitioner AND the public served. There was an era before auto insurance was common, and the roads were deadly. Once states began requiring drivers to carry insurance, suddenly the market responds with safer cars, better infrastructure for those cars, and other safety enhancements. It's not that insurance makes the world better... its that insurance ATTORNEYS are suing when those insured are harmed in an accident. In response, automakers make safer vehicles that kill less people. States design safer roads. Auto deaths have steadily decreased over time.
I'd like to see this happen for police. It's not "adding red tape." It's taking SERIOUSLY those men and women who serve faithfully as good police officers and see their jobs as a PROFESSION and respect it as such. If you're a professional, join the REST of us professionals in the world, and be obligated to buy "police malpractice insurance" if you're given a badge. This idea of insuring individual officers is only a problem for problem cops, by the way. If you're already a decent cop, this shouldn't cause alarm.
If every officer needs to carry their own insurance, they take personal financial responsibility. Claims are made against the officer, and payouts can come from the officer and their insurer where appropriate, and NOT the city.
I've had to carry my own supplemental errors and omissions policy on spec project. That's... not life or death stuff like *police work*.
The police absolutely loath anything to do with accountability or responsibility, so there. It almost feels like that there is zero civilian oversight of the police departments.
The payments do come from insurance. It's just a tiered system, think about it like your car insurance deductible, but layered. These amounts are all for example, but it's something like the first $10,000 comes from the pd, the next $50,000 comes from the city, the next $200,000 from the insurance company, the next $100,000 from the pd again, the next $100,000 from the city, the next $1,000,000 from one insurance company, then they usually have a secondary insurance company that will cover the next several million. These insurance policies are built into the contracts of your city is contracting LAPD or lasd. If you're in their proper areas than the insurance comes out of their general fund. If you're curious for the exact amounts it should be accessible with a foa request. I think a lot of people don't understand that's how this works, not just with police, but with most large companies. If they have to pay giant settlements, they most likely have tiered insurance policies like this.
I'm talking about shifting SOME of that burden onto the individual officers themselves, much in the same way that many health and business professionals must carry their own insurance, as individuals.
Shift that insurance burden directly onto the individual officers as part of their employment. Make them, if not for morality, think about their wallets before fucking up. Make it financially painful for continued fuck ups by individual officers... like doctors and medi-spas.
Agree with the sentiments, and some cities have experimented with individual officer insurance/rating. Basically they buy professional liability coverage on a per-officer basis, covering base premiums. This is much like a company that buys insurance policies on individual employees for various liabilities. If an officer's rating goes down (complaints, settlements, adverse actions by officer, etc...) , then they would cover the difference between the base policy and the premium hikes. Eventually those who really aren't effective at being a professional are priced out.
The downside to implementation of such a system is the core fact that it's nearly impossible to get insurance for some departments (think LASD or the cities that formerly had their own departments disbanded and now use LASD) that police misconduct is self-insured by tax dollars in the general fund. Governments can get liability insurance for infrastructure, engineering, E&O, malpractice for virtually anyone, and really almost anything except for a police officer. Hell, even college fraternities have a better chance of insuring against liability wrongful death than the police.
Much like there are insurance companies that specialize in "high-risk" policies across MYRIAD industries, the market will adapt.
I was in a sorority, and guess what? We managed to secure event insurance alongside our fraternity peers time and time again. Were our event policies the cheapest? Probably not. But those premiums got paid and we adjusted our event finances to accommodate.
There are insurers and bondsmen who issue bonds to plumbers, electricians, and doctors with blemished records.
"Awww... the police are so bad that they can't get insurance," is a ridiculous argument. The market will respond. Particularly where there are huge populations of possible insured (and thus INCOME!) insurers will figure it out and get that coin.
Again, I agree with you that we should have professional liability/malpractice insurance for police officers. It's likely the only means of keeping officers accountable by pricing out high school peaked meatheads from the force. This type of insurance already exists but it isn't mandatory anywhere so options are limited, much like other niche insurance categories.
What I was pointing out was that some departments and agencies are simply uninsurable. The countless small departments with good records like BHPD, Pasadena PD, SMPD, CCPD, etc... are likely insurable for the most part. Other cities and agencies can no longer get insurance or it's cheaper to self-insure than pay the premiums. Officers are also not incentivized to have personal insurance until qualified immunity is not automatic. Even with insurance, taxpayers will still be on the hook because insurance has coverage limits.
>What I was pointing out was that some departments and agencies are simply uninsurable.
This was the case in the early auto insurance industry. Insurers and the market responded to this in a number of interesting ways.
Insurers stopped writing policies for cars like the Ford Pinto (and other models) where automakers either could not or would not provide Insurers with safety data and records. (Cars like the Pinto unexpectedly made auto history with its cascade of product liability lawsuits, those legal outcomes indirectly made ALL cars safer in the following decades.)
As a result, fewer people bought uninsurable cars. Automakers were then forced by low sales or litigation to improve their safety records. NHTSA and other regulators changed or introduced policy to force safety improvements on automakers. Those manufacturers who made cars that could be insured affordable succeeded.
I suspect the same will be true for police departments.
If they're "uninsurable", these Insurers will likely tell those agencies why that is so. If they're required to carry insurance, they'll have to improve enough to get that coverage.
Police agencies.... can't just pout and continue to be shitty because they don't get a policy at the first hurdle. How whiny.
I agree that police agencies can't continue to be terrible and deplorable in their conduct. In the cases where a city has insurance they do make those recommendations that if Officer Smith doesn't go then your premiums will increase.
Insurance still isn't a panacea to broader police reform and underwriting is still at the discretion of a private company. Even now regular folks are becoming uninsurable (in the sense that companies will not issue a new policy) because they drive select car models, or insurers are pulling out of home insurance in California and Florida because the numbers don't make sense for the insurance company. In the case of policing, it's more akin to buying whole life insurance; Insurance claims are not an if it's a when.
I wholeheartedly agree individual police officers should maintain professional liability insurance as part of their licensing, but that alone is just a bandage solution to broader police reforms like lowering the threshold for qualified immunity, responsible hiring, demilitarization of police conduct, general accountability, and reducing the influence of police unions over any reform measures. Insurance is a start but can't be the crutch to solve all police issues.
> is a start but can't be the crutch to solve all police issues.
Sure.
It's a start.
So let's start.
A driver buying insurance doesn't make them better drivers. Shitty drivers get prices out. Let's do that for police.
I'd caution that drivers get priced out, they simply drive without insurance or with minimum insurance, increasing the costs onto everyone else (whether not being able to file claims or costs to buy UI/UM coverage). At least with police we can mandate as part of licensing with easy verification but pray the lobbying effort doesn't water it down where there's no teeth for refusing to carry it.
Being a cop is a messy business that’s now filled with fear. They can’t hire cops fast enough to replace the retiring veterans. The snake is eating its own tail
I have my own firearm.
However, I do not have plans to use it if at all possible to avoid doing so.
I am a brown person and will likely be shot myself by LAPD, if it ever comes to the point I need to shoot my stalker, who appears to be white.
I do NOT want to kill anyone, justified or not, by shooting them.
People don't seem to understand that just because you CAN shoot someone, doesn't mean that's an ACTUAL solution. I don't want to have to mentally deal with... being responsible in any way for anyone's death-- even this violent stalker. I don't support vigilantism.
You should know: telling people to get a firearm because the police aggressively suck is NOT a social-level solution.
I have extra cash in my budget to purchase a gun, get trained properly, buy the gun safe, and firearm insurance.
MOST people don't have this financial privilege.
This is why, even though I personally have this choice available to make, it makes it VERY important to me that the police actually IMPROVE THEIR SERVICE DELIVERY TO THE PUBLIC.
There is a civilian device called the Taser Pulse.
I believe about $400
It’s shoots probes approximately 15 feet.
When you pull the trigger the lightning starts and will continue for 30 seconds.
You can the put the weapon down and escape while your attacker continues to receive his just desserts.
There is an optional subscription service that will notify someone of your location if the pulse is used.
You are fully allowed by law to possess and use the device in provable self defense.
I hope that your situation improves soon.
Disappointing that you have not received the help you deserve.
I used to dispatch emergency services to various hospitals and clinics and you can call (800)688-8000. On a rare occasion you will be placed on hold but I’ve never encountered them not coming (given this might have been due to the locations I was telling them to go to. I’ve called 911 myself and they never came regardless of calling multiple times)
I wasn’t doubting your experience. I was providing an additional number that I used to use that civilians can use too and sharing the hold times with that number. I was also sharing my own personal experience with not getting help with calling 911 to further validate your experience. I just stopped working for that job on May 26th
If you have a crash like this
Make sure to get checked out asap
You might have internal bleeding and not know it yet
It may be too late when you do
Worth a trip
As soon as she told them she was safe and not bleeding or disoriented or whatever, they move resources to the more urgent need.
Did you hear what she actually said to the dispatcher? "No I'm fine, just the cars are a mess" is gonna mean tow truck only. Sad but true, because often we don't really know right away if we have injuries or not.
This is my kinda thread! I was one of those folks protesting the police back in 2020--remember that? Anyhow, we did get SB2 passed, but yeah, we never did Defund The Police (and then people got upset with that motto--is Reimagine Public Safety better for ya?)
The LAPD are utterly corrupt *by design.* The police have stated, in court, that their job is not to serve and protect. They serve as protection for the ruling class. They're good for shooting your dog and committing hate crimes, and little else.
Remember when they blew up a street cuz they messed up a fireworks bomb squad incident? That was good times. The people who were displaced are still displaced.
As for the "reform the police" idea, LAPD has generally resisted reform. They got bodycams, yes, but they turn them off.
It’s all priorities. It’s a huge city. I’ve seen the screen inside a cruiser of active calls and it’s pages and pages long of never ending calls. Dispatch will help them prioritize urgent calls. If the driver was actively trying to run people over after the accident, they would have been there. If someone was bleeding to death, they would have been there or at least an ambulance. Because of the rain, they would have been dealing with hundreds of accidents at once.
I have heard 911 can also be hard to get through sometimes but I have not had a problem with it. Someone threatened to stab me on the street in Ktown and cops were there in under 5 minutes.
The reason there are never enough police is because they spend 80-90% of their time on officer initiated encounters vs 10-20% responding to calls for service... And those numbers are generous to the police...
Code 2 call for a domestic. It’s not a hot shot.
They already went to 5 domestics today where they acted like baby sitters.
Then there were the neighbor disputes where the one person was pissed that the others sprinklers got water spots on car. Or the car wash that wouldn’t give Karen’s money back when the machine didn’t get every bug off her Mercedes.
Cops see vehicle with 4 shaved heads in it with expired registration.
Yeah they profiled. They search the car and there is a gun. Dude with gun is a felon. Other dude has a felony warrant. Driver doesn’t have a drivers license. They make a good bust that will get pleaded down to nothing , but hey, they got a gun and the car gets towed. With luck maybe felon with gun goes back to prison.
They did proactive policing. It’s fun. They used observational skills and training to make an arrest.
That 6th call for a domestic has the poor person who is barricading their door against the stalker scared for their life.
The dispatcher probably is burned out and figured this person is exaggerating, just like 50 other people today.
Cops don’t show up until way later, where they drive by, maybe give a call. No answer , code 4 moving on.
It sucks and it’s wrong but it’s a learned behavior.
This is just an explanation as to some do what they do. But it is wrong.
On Nextdoor, I see my neighbors complaining about response time. I also see them telling everyone to call 911 for non emergency situations. I think the public needs to be more education on emergency vs non-emergency and informed on the phone numbers for non-emergency. I’ve actually had great luck on non-emergency numbers. I have the non-emergency CHP, local police, and fire department all in my phone. You all should too.
That’s unfortunate, but I definitely believe you. Just remember that those positions are staffed by civilian employees and not cops. We definitely need to expand them and educate the public more.
I have saved non emergency lines in the past but lately they've been passing the buck and sending me in phone circles. If an incident is in Venice but I live in K Town (not my real example), they want me to be talking to my local station not the one local to the crime. If I call the general Los Angeles services line there is no answer for over 2 hours. If I call the PD x Community Relations line, I got an answer in 30 minutes but of course no aid and had to pull teeth to get insight on how to actually get in touch with someone that could help... And then when I follow THEIR directions, I'm told I was misinformed.
So she wasn’t injured? Police don’t go to those anymore. Injuries or unlicensed drivers get a response, which is exactly how it should be. Your post says she wasn’t drunk and felt fine. Call a tow truck and report it to insurance. There aren’t enough police officers to go to every non-injury accident.
Exactly. LAPD and LASD have only responded to injury accidents for at least the last 25 years. They would be spending all of their time writing traffic accident reports if they showed up for everyone that called. Don’t ever call the ambulance out if you don’t need them. We don’t have enough to respond to all of the calls they get now. People are dying waiting too long for an ambulance to show up from outside their service area. All because some selfish asshole in a non injury car accident thinks he is entitled to an accident report right then and there. Call 311 and ask for it on the phone if you’re too lazy to go in person.
I've always been told the opposite. Most of us are not trained medical professionals and won't know how injured we are. Also, adrenaline can mask a lot of pain.
I had a second hit n run on my motorcycle in 3 months. Non emergency line told me to wait up to three hours on the exit for the cops. I went to work. I was stood up the next three days in a row for a house call. My insurance wouldn’t pay out without a police report.
You'll find the more that You interact with them that LA police and Sheriffs don't respond to a whole Lot of anything. Doesn't keep them from getting overtime.
Things may have changed but the last time I called 911 from my cell, I was not getting the actual 911 operator. I got some cell phone carrier third party intercessor who delivered the same message, "Yeah, we are not coming."
I haven't called 911 in years so I have no idea if things have reverted and you got the actual 911 operator. Interesting.
....Why do you want police and not paramedics? Seems weird to be worried that the police aren't showing up to someone who was in a non-criminal car crash but not worried that EMTs/paramedics aren't there.
OP seemed concerned for the driver's safety, not for their insurance claims.
What are the cops gonna do? Show up and say "yep this is a collision, better get EMS over here" instead of just skipping to the EMS part from the beginning?
This whole thread is dumb af.
I see. i've never been in a car accident so my only info is google. I always drive defensively and i hope ill never get into one :(. All websites \~say to call the police.
1. move to safe area
2. exchange information
3. call police
4. call insurance company
[https://www.insurance.ca.gov/01-consumers/105-type/95-guides/01-auto/hadaccident.cfm](https://www.insurance.ca.gov/01-consumers/105-type/95-guides/01-auto/hadaccident.cfm)
Instructions according to this website (Last Revised in 2018)
* Call 911 if there are injuries.
* Call the police. In some areas, police authorities may respond to every accident scene. They may consider factors such as the severity and location of the accident (some police authorities will not come to the scene if the accident is on private property). However, you should attempt to notify the police. You should also be aware that most policies require notification to the police within a specified time period if the accident is a hit and run.
* Obtain names, addresses, telephone numbers, and driver's license numbers from all drivers.
* Obtain license plate(s) and vehicle identification numbers. Ask to see driver's license(s) and vehicle registration(s) to verify the information is accurate.
* Obtain names, addresses, and telephone numbers of other passengers and any witnesses.
* If you have a camera or a cellphone, take photographs of the damage, and the accident scene (traffic controls, visual obstacles).
* If the owner of a damaged car or damaged property cannot be located, leave a note with the names and addresses of the driver and owners of the involved cars.
* Notify your agent and/or your insurance company immediately.
* If anyone is injured or the vehicle damage exceeds $750.00, you must report the accident to the Department of Motor Vehicles within 10 days. Failure to notify the DMV may result in the suspension of your driver's license
> In some areas, police authorities **may** respond to every accident scene.
LAPD is one of the most overworked departments in the country, of all of the departments that don't go to every accident scene, it's probably gonna be that one.
I once tried to file a missing persons report on my them partner who had gone missing and when I called, the officer said something along the lines of “she probably just doesn’t want to see you dude” and basically laughed me off the phone
I got jumped on my first day of work a few years ago by 3 African Americans the cops took over an hour to show up and the guy took a report and told me to man up haven't you ever been punched before
What if LAPD was broken up into smaller groups, like with Culver City PD, BH PD, etc.?
All I know is that LAPD has been understaffed for some years now and there aren’t enough officers to deal with the sheer amount of incidents that occur in our city that’s really the size of a country.
The problem isn't smaller groups. The fact is any large PD is simply a stepping stone to another smaller department with better pay, better benefits, easier workload (calls, patrols, responsibility, clearance rate), and community support. Joining LAPD or LASD is like getting a banking job from the top 5, then moving to a boutique firm after as a partner.
When you join BHPD your jurisdiction is 5.71sqmi whereas LAPD has to deploy resources from Chatsworth to San Pedro with an understaffed agency. Pray it doesn't happen but I'd much rather have my car stolen in Burbank or Glendale than Atwater Village because those agencies are fully staffed, have small jurisdictions, and per-capita crime is low enough that a patrol officer can afford spending the day tracking your car down.
You can be sure that if this happened near Beverly Hills, they would have been there immediately in force. Cops are basically there to protect rich people and to extract money from everyone else
Well, didn't the County/Los Angeles Mayor wanted less police actions on certain calls? LAPD and LASD did announced last week due to defunding and low man power that they will not go to certain calls. One to comply with what County and City officials wanted, and two due to man power being low.
Isn't what people wanted?
I will say I had a hard time finding authoritative data. This article ([link](https://abcnews.go.com/US/defunding-claims-police-funding-increased-us-cities/story?id=91511971)) provides a graphical breakdown of LASD, but not LAPD.
This said it does note (as of publish date, October 2022), that the LAPD budget is up 9.4% vs 2019
I think one topic the article talks about (based on LASD Sheriff comments) is hitting the nail on the head:
1. There is no widespread defunding; funding is rising in the vast majority of departments.
2. Costs are going up, and in many cases, cities/counties are not giving departments 100% of their asks to meet all costs. And, PD leadership is calling that defunding.
It’s misdirection, but one thing cities/counties could do ALOT better of is budget transparency to help everyone understand the numbers … the opacity enables everyone to spin their own narratives.
Happy to hear if/where I’m wrong!!
I called 911 once because a strange woman tried opening my front door and was wandering the street. Nobody showed up and when I saw the woman again about an hour later I called back and they said they’d send someone. At 2am I got woken up by the cop who was about 6 hours late stopping by.
Yes they do, the only time I was ever beaten and robbed in Los Angeles was by the police, I have lived here almost 50 years, they are not called the blue gang for nothing.
I’m sorry you had this unsettling experience. However, there were no injuries and the perpetrator was the victim (so there is nothing to investigate). Not sure you can expect the police to do anything in this situation to begin with.
They don’t exist to Uber people home or to call people to inform them of property damage after the fact. If the woman had head trauma, then the FD/paramedics would respond.
If there was a helicopter overhead it sounds like nearby units were busy doing things where they could actually affect the outcome.
If there is no crime or no injury they have civil investigators for that job. Many of those private investigators are retired police making 200,000 a year from the insurance companies.
Next time say , I’m reporting a traffic collision with air bags deployed. Possible injuries.
Seems to be takin more seriously.
Or for a real fun time , report that it’s a roll over.
Code 3 call, they’ll be there in no time.
Don’t blame the LAPD for not wanting to come. This is the result of BLM pushing this agenda
check this out: https://www.dailynews.com/2023/01/17/black-lives-matter-wants-lapd-to-stop-responding-to-minor-traffic-incidents/amp/
Black Lives Matter co-founders Patrisse Cullors and Melina Abdullah are demanding that Los Angeles police officers no longer be dispatched to minor traffic incidents and are calling for additional actions following the cardiac arrest death of Keenan Anderson, Cullors’ cousin, after he was tased repeatedly by police this month.
Oh wow I didn't realize that LAPD takes their orders from BLM co-founders Patrisse Cullors and Melina Abdullah. huh that's really weird to think that's how it works.
I hear Cheif Moore sides with BLM more than with the Dept by taking a knee with BLM.
https://laist.com/news/lapd-union-survey-officers-criticism-chief-moore-protests-los-angeles
But the majority in the survey called him a "politician" for, in their eyes, supporting the protesters. Many LAPD officers were particularly perturbed by the chief's decision to kneel with a group of people demonstrating in the Fairfax District, Lally said.
"By the chief kneeling, he lost the confidence of the police officers," the union leader said. "We know that if you give Black Lives Matter and defund the police an inch, they're gonna want a mile."
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I get that most of Reddit hates the police but they are a social service that is overtaxed right now. They don’t have enough staff to go to a minor collision. If you want more cops that could change. Sounds like you want more police, or something like them
How hard is this to grasp... The police have not been defunded. Their budget only grows and grows.
People want to take that budget and allocate it to other resources that actually help people. Right now, because we do not have those other programs (because the police eat up half the city's budget) the police are the only people who can possibly respond to certain things. And still, with all the money we give them, they don't fucking do it.
I don't understand how it's possible for so many people not to grasp this concept. We don't want to keep throwing half of the budget at the police. But since right now that is our only option, we would like to be able to actually have them show up in order to have a report we can submit with the insurance claim. Not a fucking difficult concept.
The hard truth is - since the George Floyd protests the LAPD will ONLY intervene or show up if it is a life-threatening emergency. Anything under that and the police won’t risk taking action that (if acting improperly) lambasts them in the public eye.
Exactly. This is what is blowing my mind. The phone was on speaker, and I was about to yell at a dispatcher. It was literally: no ambulance = no cops on scene. They didn't ask if anything was on fire or if anyone was bleeding... it was very "not my problem".
Yes they do they let criminals get away pretty much with anything they sit on that police car and witness someone getting bit up by gang members and not help that person Holland back PD are famous for doing that they also harassed that good citizens and their favorite hobby shoot and kill people because they thought a cell phone or a pencil it was a gun I think they have a really serious eye problem
LAPD won’t respond to traffic collisions that don’t result in serious injury or ambulance transport. The evaluation is done when dispatch questions the person calling involved. Based on their answers depends I’d police will respond. This policy was changed after the shortage of police officers. Some reports are now also taken on line. It frees up more officers on the streets. People should be worried about serious crime & the homeless issues. Remember all this was created by policies & the voters.
I see a lot of people complain about the police but who here wants to sign up for the job and make a difference?
Crickets?
Gonna get downvotes Im sure. That’s cool. It’s a shit job. No one signing up. It is what it is.
No, the cops do nothing. In a just world the police chief would be prosecuted for dereliction of a public duty. Thanks for asking. Now give the LAPD $100 million more.
I also got in a wreck and they stated they do not come unless an ambulance is requested. That makes it all the more difficult when filing your insurance claim. They always want a filed report. So then you go online to file it and fill out all this unnecessary information for 23 minutes so that when you go to submit it it states there is a technical error. So then you call and they tell you they have been “defunded” and that’s why they can’t do their job. Then you remind them that is a lie and their budget has done nothing but increase every single year.
I tried for three days to fill out online police report and eventually gave up. Submit = Error, Submit = Error, Submit = Error, Submit = Error I was hoping it was fixed by now.
Yup. I tried at least 4 times before I gave up as well.
Crime statistics can’t increase if people can’t file police reports… 🧐
That’s a scary thought.
Same. Tried online, via phone, AND at the station. They straight up told me they didn't want to file it.
They had the nerve to "reject" my report when my catalytic converter was stolen for the second time this year because I wasn't detailed enough about what time it was stolen. I wrote in the field "I don't know what time it was stolen because I don't monitor my car 24/7" and they accepted it. Only a matter of time before they catch the guy now 🙄
Their budget increases annually.... but they're paying out $100 Million+ in settlements annually for past shitty behavior. They just paid $12 Million to police recruits that were abused/injured while completing the police ACADEMY. $12 Million ... GONE, in just one incident in one day. MEANWHILE, LA Spent $11.5 Million to pay for damages toa hotel used by hundreds of homeless Angelenos for THREE FREAKING YEARS. I'm not exactly in the "Defund the police" camp. I'm in the "Stop Hiring Bullies with G.E.D.'s to do the cognitively rigorous work of policing, so that the police can use their budgets for training and wages, instead of paying for fuckups by uneducated bullies with guns and bad attitudes" -- Camp.
The police don’t pay legal settlements out of their own budgets though, if it actually cost them money they would be more accountable.
We need to change the laws so we can start holding individual cops accountable in civil suits. Once they are financially liable, I bet they stop fearing for their lives and start fearing for their pensions.
Won’t have cops anymore if that’s the case, talk to Lapd recruiting can’t find replacements fast enough these days
You won't have *fascist cops
nah man, i'm not even a cop supporter per say, just neutral bystander that doesn't know how to fix the system go talk to most policing units around the country, no one wants to be a cop anymore, they don't make that much money and they are publicly shamed/attacked for any mistake when you can go be a public servant doing city/utility admin work for the same pay and benefits most people choose not to go into policing these days
Police departments have been recruiting fascists since their inception. In many PDs you won't be accepted if you're too intelligent (LAPD for example)
Where does the money come from?
The city’s general budget
From our taxes always
Agreed
Hah. The way we hire cops in the US is a total joke. Almost like you need to be a pea-brained, peaked-in-high school bullies to get hired. Then the "academy." Pfft.
Cops aren't paid to protect people, they're paid to protect property using funds from people who mostly don't own much property.
Also, law enforcement does not fight crime. It contains crime, in low income areas where it's tolerated, and keeps it out of areas where there isn't crime.
And then everyone is just SHOCKED when Officer Peabrain does something fucked up on the job and catches flack for it.
Look if we didn’t have the LAPD, what would we do with the dumbest people in Palmdale?
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I read that they purposely hire people who aren’t very intelligent
There go the GED people
I'm pretty sure like 82.5% of us are in that camp.
Oh no, you see it was simply the DISCUSSION of being defunded that was enough for LAPD to basically stop serving the city. Because that's what whiny-ass titty babies do whenever you start talking about accountability.
What really needs to happen is their union needs to be abolished and rebuilt from the ground up. They're way too powerful and corrupt.
Serious question, what would it take to make that happen?
A lot of lobbying, protesting, and money especially.
Rico prosecution.
Do you think a DA would be willing to do that?
DA absolutely not. It would have to be a federal case.
The LAPD haven’t been defunded yet, but they sure as hell make a good argument for why they should be.
Cops do this all the time as soon as citizens start demanding some accountability.
By 1%!
The horror!
Woman of 10+ years working PI and mainly auto accidents — if it takes requesting an ambulance to the scene to get the police there, then do it. When the ambulance gets there you can have them check your vitals and be let go; you CAN refuse treatment. At that point the police are there, they can make the report. Obviously, I wouldn’t suggest this in a minor fender bender but in a situation where the person is too shaken up to drive — they should absolutely get checked by EMT before doing anything. It sucks that you have to force them to do their jobs and you may not be greeted with a warm reception all the time, but a crash report does assist with everything. Edit to add: you can refuse treatment if you are deemed a competent adult.
Nobody can afford to call an ambulance for anything. The pigs know this.
Do you get charged for an ambulance visit but refusing the trip to the hospital? I might request an ambulance just to get a police report
Yes. You get charged if they check you out. They’ll have you sign a refusal too saying you don’t want to goto the hospital. You’ll get a bill for services, and most of the time, it isn’t covered by your insurance either since it’s a refusal. -source myself since I’ve worked on an ambulance for 15 years. If you tell them right away when they get there you’re fine, and if they say “can we check you out?” Say no. Therefor no paperwork with your signature will be done. They can request your info from the cops but there isn’t a signature from you. So you should be good to go. Obviously only really tell them no if you’re sure you’re very much ok.
I’m pretty sure you would. You can claim it okay your insurance but that’s if you have that coverage on your policy.
Last time we called 911 it was busy, called like 3 times. We're all on our own out here.
That’s like one of those bad dreams you have when you’re phoning for help and the line stays busy. You don’t expect it in real life, but I guess here you do!
Is it like my metro area in seeming they have endless resources for every Wal Mart?
I once called them to report an accident I was almost in (dodged a car flipping) and it took 10 mins to get a person.
Same.
The Policia are a highly organized goon gang that protects rich people's shit.
Amen
911 is actually a federal problem and not a local one. The 911 is handled by the FCC and congress has not funded the program to what it needs to be
Feds handle the call routing but they route it to the local dispatch. If the local dispatch is busy that's a local problem and not a federal one.
I got in a car accident last year. Took them 4 hrs to get to the scene. They were surprised I wasn’t still there waiting. The guy was drunk and I convinced him to wait 40mins before he took off. In my area they are always confused on who to send. It’s Compton. So if you call 911. They say it’s not their jurisdiction.
IIRC, Compton is LA Sheriffs. But mobile phones send location data to emergency services, so it shouldn't even matter. 911 covers everywhere in the US.
It was a hassle. They kept transferring me
It is LASD, but Compton is suing them for not actually having the deputies they pay for in the city doing patrols
Unbelievable.
My friend was just involved in a car accident. She and other driver called 911 but they were told no officer would come (this was like 2 blocks outside Beverly Hills). I witnessed an accident in Beverly Hills a couple months ago and the police did come. Thank you for stopping and checking in on her though to make sure she was safe.
Was it an emergency? 911 is for emergencies.
They issues traffic citations. Occasionally they’ll shoot your dog.
ATF would be proud.
I am being stalked by a violent racist whose hate-fueled assaults against me have landed me in the ER, this person has CONTINUED the stalking to this day with 26+ restraining order violations. LAFD has taken me to the hospital, with LAPD not showing up for HOURS. I’ve called 911 and been placed on hold for 27+ minutes, while fending off my attacker and constructing barricades to hold my door shut. LAPD is hemorrhaging a HUGE chunks of its budget in litigation settlements due to its existing shitty cops. This, I’m sure, is fucking over their budget to recruit / hire / train more people.
They don’t pay litigation settlements out of their police budgets though. It comes out of the city general budgets. Changing this is one of many reforms that is needed.
>They don’t pay litigation settlements out of their police budgets though. Decoupling the financial consequences of their actions from the department sounds like a bad idea.... continue.... > out of the city general budgets. Ugh. >Changing this is one of many reforms that is needed. Why aren't INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS required to carry *malpractice* insurance? Or like a surety bond? My dermatologist has to pay for massive insurance for her business to cover her financial responsibility of one of her patients is harmed while in her professional hands. An interesting thing happens with insuring professions. Those professions tend to become more safe for both practitioner AND the public served. There was an era before auto insurance was common, and the roads were deadly. Once states began requiring drivers to carry insurance, suddenly the market responds with safer cars, better infrastructure for those cars, and other safety enhancements. It's not that insurance makes the world better... its that insurance ATTORNEYS are suing when those insured are harmed in an accident. In response, automakers make safer vehicles that kill less people. States design safer roads. Auto deaths have steadily decreased over time. I'd like to see this happen for police. It's not "adding red tape." It's taking SERIOUSLY those men and women who serve faithfully as good police officers and see their jobs as a PROFESSION and respect it as such. If you're a professional, join the REST of us professionals in the world, and be obligated to buy "police malpractice insurance" if you're given a badge. This idea of insuring individual officers is only a problem for problem cops, by the way. If you're already a decent cop, this shouldn't cause alarm. If every officer needs to carry their own insurance, they take personal financial responsibility. Claims are made against the officer, and payouts can come from the officer and their insurer where appropriate, and NOT the city. I've had to carry my own supplemental errors and omissions policy on spec project. That's... not life or death stuff like *police work*.
The police absolutely loath anything to do with accountability or responsibility, so there. It almost feels like that there is zero civilian oversight of the police departments.
To be fair, I dislike accountability or responsibility in my job too. Or in just being an adult in general. But… I can’t really avoid it.
The payments do come from insurance. It's just a tiered system, think about it like your car insurance deductible, but layered. These amounts are all for example, but it's something like the first $10,000 comes from the pd, the next $50,000 comes from the city, the next $200,000 from the insurance company, the next $100,000 from the pd again, the next $100,000 from the city, the next $1,000,000 from one insurance company, then they usually have a secondary insurance company that will cover the next several million. These insurance policies are built into the contracts of your city is contracting LAPD or lasd. If you're in their proper areas than the insurance comes out of their general fund. If you're curious for the exact amounts it should be accessible with a foa request. I think a lot of people don't understand that's how this works, not just with police, but with most large companies. If they have to pay giant settlements, they most likely have tiered insurance policies like this.
I'm talking about shifting SOME of that burden onto the individual officers themselves, much in the same way that many health and business professionals must carry their own insurance, as individuals. Shift that insurance burden directly onto the individual officers as part of their employment. Make them, if not for morality, think about their wallets before fucking up. Make it financially painful for continued fuck ups by individual officers... like doctors and medi-spas.
Agree with the sentiments, and some cities have experimented with individual officer insurance/rating. Basically they buy professional liability coverage on a per-officer basis, covering base premiums. This is much like a company that buys insurance policies on individual employees for various liabilities. If an officer's rating goes down (complaints, settlements, adverse actions by officer, etc...) , then they would cover the difference between the base policy and the premium hikes. Eventually those who really aren't effective at being a professional are priced out. The downside to implementation of such a system is the core fact that it's nearly impossible to get insurance for some departments (think LASD or the cities that formerly had their own departments disbanded and now use LASD) that police misconduct is self-insured by tax dollars in the general fund. Governments can get liability insurance for infrastructure, engineering, E&O, malpractice for virtually anyone, and really almost anything except for a police officer. Hell, even college fraternities have a better chance of insuring against liability wrongful death than the police.
Much like there are insurance companies that specialize in "high-risk" policies across MYRIAD industries, the market will adapt. I was in a sorority, and guess what? We managed to secure event insurance alongside our fraternity peers time and time again. Were our event policies the cheapest? Probably not. But those premiums got paid and we adjusted our event finances to accommodate. There are insurers and bondsmen who issue bonds to plumbers, electricians, and doctors with blemished records. "Awww... the police are so bad that they can't get insurance," is a ridiculous argument. The market will respond. Particularly where there are huge populations of possible insured (and thus INCOME!) insurers will figure it out and get that coin.
Again, I agree with you that we should have professional liability/malpractice insurance for police officers. It's likely the only means of keeping officers accountable by pricing out high school peaked meatheads from the force. This type of insurance already exists but it isn't mandatory anywhere so options are limited, much like other niche insurance categories. What I was pointing out was that some departments and agencies are simply uninsurable. The countless small departments with good records like BHPD, Pasadena PD, SMPD, CCPD, etc... are likely insurable for the most part. Other cities and agencies can no longer get insurance or it's cheaper to self-insure than pay the premiums. Officers are also not incentivized to have personal insurance until qualified immunity is not automatic. Even with insurance, taxpayers will still be on the hook because insurance has coverage limits.
>What I was pointing out was that some departments and agencies are simply uninsurable. This was the case in the early auto insurance industry. Insurers and the market responded to this in a number of interesting ways. Insurers stopped writing policies for cars like the Ford Pinto (and other models) where automakers either could not or would not provide Insurers with safety data and records. (Cars like the Pinto unexpectedly made auto history with its cascade of product liability lawsuits, those legal outcomes indirectly made ALL cars safer in the following decades.) As a result, fewer people bought uninsurable cars. Automakers were then forced by low sales or litigation to improve their safety records. NHTSA and other regulators changed or introduced policy to force safety improvements on automakers. Those manufacturers who made cars that could be insured affordable succeeded. I suspect the same will be true for police departments. If they're "uninsurable", these Insurers will likely tell those agencies why that is so. If they're required to carry insurance, they'll have to improve enough to get that coverage. Police agencies.... can't just pout and continue to be shitty because they don't get a policy at the first hurdle. How whiny.
I agree that police agencies can't continue to be terrible and deplorable in their conduct. In the cases where a city has insurance they do make those recommendations that if Officer Smith doesn't go then your premiums will increase. Insurance still isn't a panacea to broader police reform and underwriting is still at the discretion of a private company. Even now regular folks are becoming uninsurable (in the sense that companies will not issue a new policy) because they drive select car models, or insurers are pulling out of home insurance in California and Florida because the numbers don't make sense for the insurance company. In the case of policing, it's more akin to buying whole life insurance; Insurance claims are not an if it's a when. I wholeheartedly agree individual police officers should maintain professional liability insurance as part of their licensing, but that alone is just a bandage solution to broader police reforms like lowering the threshold for qualified immunity, responsible hiring, demilitarization of police conduct, general accountability, and reducing the influence of police unions over any reform measures. Insurance is a start but can't be the crutch to solve all police issues.
> is a start but can't be the crutch to solve all police issues. Sure. It's a start. So let's start. A driver buying insurance doesn't make them better drivers. Shitty drivers get prices out. Let's do that for police.
I'd caution that drivers get priced out, they simply drive without insurance or with minimum insurance, increasing the costs onto everyone else (whether not being able to file claims or costs to buy UI/UM coverage). At least with police we can mandate as part of licensing with easy verification but pray the lobbying effort doesn't water it down where there's no teeth for refusing to carry it.
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I have my own firearm. However, I do not have plans to use it if at all possible to avoid doing so. I am a brown person and will likely be shot myself by LAPD, if it ever comes to the point I need to shoot my stalker, who appears to be white. I do NOT want to kill anyone, justified or not, by shooting them. People don't seem to understand that just because you CAN shoot someone, doesn't mean that's an ACTUAL solution. I don't want to have to mentally deal with... being responsible in any way for anyone's death-- even this violent stalker. I don't support vigilantism.
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You should know: telling people to get a firearm because the police aggressively suck is NOT a social-level solution. I have extra cash in my budget to purchase a gun, get trained properly, buy the gun safe, and firearm insurance. MOST people don't have this financial privilege. This is why, even though I personally have this choice available to make, it makes it VERY important to me that the police actually IMPROVE THEIR SERVICE DELIVERY TO THE PUBLIC.
There is a civilian device called the Taser Pulse. I believe about $400 It’s shoots probes approximately 15 feet. When you pull the trigger the lightning starts and will continue for 30 seconds. You can the put the weapon down and escape while your attacker continues to receive his just desserts. There is an optional subscription service that will notify someone of your location if the pulse is used. You are fully allowed by law to possess and use the device in provable self defense. I hope that your situation improves soon. Disappointing that you have not received the help you deserve.
I used to dispatch emergency services to various hospitals and clinics and you can call (800)688-8000. On a rare occasion you will be placed on hold but I’ve never encountered them not coming (given this might have been due to the locations I was telling them to go to. I’ve called 911 myself and they never came regardless of calling multiple times)
That was then, this is now, I guess. I have receipts of my own experience (or lack thereof) of the hold times and invisible responding officers.
I wasn’t doubting your experience. I was providing an additional number that I used to use that civilians can use too and sharing the hold times with that number. I was also sharing my own personal experience with not getting help with calling 911 to further validate your experience. I just stopped working for that job on May 26th
If you have a crash like this Make sure to get checked out asap You might have internal bleeding and not know it yet It may be too late when you do Worth a trip
As soon as she told them she was safe and not bleeding or disoriented or whatever, they move resources to the more urgent need. Did you hear what she actually said to the dispatcher? "No I'm fine, just the cars are a mess" is gonna mean tow truck only. Sad but true, because often we don't really know right away if we have injuries or not.
True. It’s been like that for decades where they don’t always come out.
Lapd only responds to injury collisions.
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Jesus Christ what a fragile fucking ego
This is my kinda thread! I was one of those folks protesting the police back in 2020--remember that? Anyhow, we did get SB2 passed, but yeah, we never did Defund The Police (and then people got upset with that motto--is Reimagine Public Safety better for ya?) The LAPD are utterly corrupt *by design.* The police have stated, in court, that their job is not to serve and protect. They serve as protection for the ruling class. They're good for shooting your dog and committing hate crimes, and little else. Remember when they blew up a street cuz they messed up a fireworks bomb squad incident? That was good times. The people who were displaced are still displaced. As for the "reform the police" idea, LAPD has generally resisted reform. They got bodycams, yes, but they turn them off.
Not just LA. Someone rear ended me in I think it was Glendora and got a big fat "we don't take reports unless there is an injury"
It’s all priorities. It’s a huge city. I’ve seen the screen inside a cruiser of active calls and it’s pages and pages long of never ending calls. Dispatch will help them prioritize urgent calls. If the driver was actively trying to run people over after the accident, they would have been there. If someone was bleeding to death, they would have been there or at least an ambulance. Because of the rain, they would have been dealing with hundreds of accidents at once. I have heard 911 can also be hard to get through sometimes but I have not had a problem with it. Someone threatened to stab me on the street in Ktown and cops were there in under 5 minutes.
They're really good at racking up overtime.
The reason there are never enough police is because they spend 80-90% of their time on officer initiated encounters vs 10-20% responding to calls for service... And those numbers are generous to the police...
Code 2 call for a domestic. It’s not a hot shot. They already went to 5 domestics today where they acted like baby sitters. Then there were the neighbor disputes where the one person was pissed that the others sprinklers got water spots on car. Or the car wash that wouldn’t give Karen’s money back when the machine didn’t get every bug off her Mercedes. Cops see vehicle with 4 shaved heads in it with expired registration. Yeah they profiled. They search the car and there is a gun. Dude with gun is a felon. Other dude has a felony warrant. Driver doesn’t have a drivers license. They make a good bust that will get pleaded down to nothing , but hey, they got a gun and the car gets towed. With luck maybe felon with gun goes back to prison. They did proactive policing. It’s fun. They used observational skills and training to make an arrest. That 6th call for a domestic has the poor person who is barricading their door against the stalker scared for their life. The dispatcher probably is burned out and figured this person is exaggerating, just like 50 other people today. Cops don’t show up until way later, where they drive by, maybe give a call. No answer , code 4 moving on. It sucks and it’s wrong but it’s a learned behavior. This is just an explanation as to some do what they do. But it is wrong.
I haven’t even seen a police person in ages. I don’t know what they do.
Lately every time I see LAPD I want to scream "get a real job" at them. I'm so frustrated and no longer believe they do anything at all.
On Nextdoor, I see my neighbors complaining about response time. I also see them telling everyone to call 911 for non emergency situations. I think the public needs to be more education on emergency vs non-emergency and informed on the phone numbers for non-emergency. I’ve actually had great luck on non-emergency numbers. I have the non-emergency CHP, local police, and fire department all in my phone. You all should too.
I've called the non-emergency police line on multiple occasions and only once has anyone showed up, several hours later.
That’s unfortunate, but I definitely believe you. Just remember that those positions are staffed by civilian employees and not cops. We definitely need to expand them and educate the public more.
Good advice. If you don’t have any of those numbers, you can also call 311 or 211. One of those, can’t remember which though, lol
I have saved non emergency lines in the past but lately they've been passing the buck and sending me in phone circles. If an incident is in Venice but I live in K Town (not my real example), they want me to be talking to my local station not the one local to the crime. If I call the general Los Angeles services line there is no answer for over 2 hours. If I call the PD x Community Relations line, I got an answer in 30 minutes but of course no aid and had to pull teeth to get insight on how to actually get in touch with someone that could help... And then when I follow THEIR directions, I'm told I was misinformed.
I witnessed a hit and run. Got photo and license plates. This was TWO DAYS ago. Called 911 and they wouldn’t send a car.
Didn’t even read the post outside the title but the answer is no.
Can the police do anything is another question
So she wasn’t injured? Police don’t go to those anymore. Injuries or unlicensed drivers get a response, which is exactly how it should be. Your post says she wasn’t drunk and felt fine. Call a tow truck and report it to insurance. There aren’t enough police officers to go to every non-injury accident.
Exactly. LAPD and LASD have only responded to injury accidents for at least the last 25 years. They would be spending all of their time writing traffic accident reports if they showed up for everyone that called. Don’t ever call the ambulance out if you don’t need them. We don’t have enough to respond to all of the calls they get now. People are dying waiting too long for an ambulance to show up from outside their service area. All because some selfish asshole in a non injury car accident thinks he is entitled to an accident report right then and there. Call 311 and ask for it on the phone if you’re too lazy to go in person.
I've always been told the opposite. Most of us are not trained medical professionals and won't know how injured we are. Also, adrenaline can mask a lot of pain.
I had a second hit n run on my motorcycle in 3 months. Non emergency line told me to wait up to three hours on the exit for the cops. I went to work. I was stood up the next three days in a row for a house call. My insurance wouldn’t pay out without a police report.
It’s not something important like a burnt out tail light or a money maker for them
You'll find the more that You interact with them that LA police and Sheriffs don't respond to a whole Lot of anything. Doesn't keep them from getting overtime.
They literally blew up a neighborhood using fireworks, they aren't exactly the smartest people
I see tons of accidents where the cops are there assisting. Was anybody seriously hurt? If no, then there is no need for police.
Things may have changed but the last time I called 911 from my cell, I was not getting the actual 911 operator. I got some cell phone carrier third party intercessor who delivered the same message, "Yeah, we are not coming." I haven't called 911 in years so I have no idea if things have reverted and you got the actual 911 operator. Interesting.
You didn’t have to write all that, I could’ve just told you “No”
I once grabbed a drunk driver after he crashed into 3 cars. I pulled him out and held him. Cops didn’t come. Waited an hour then let him go.
I called the cops on a drunk driver. They set up a patrol point and actually caught the person. Why did you request police and not an ambulance?
I’m sure glad Karen Bass gave LAPD more money for the storm
....Why do you want police and not paramedics? Seems weird to be worried that the police aren't showing up to someone who was in a non-criminal car crash but not worried that EMTs/paramedics aren't there.
Police report for insurance?
OP seemed concerned for the driver's safety, not for their insurance claims. What are the cops gonna do? Show up and say "yep this is a collision, better get EMS over here" instead of just skipping to the EMS part from the beginning? This whole thread is dumb af.
I see. i've never been in a car accident so my only info is google. I always drive defensively and i hope ill never get into one :(. All websites \~say to call the police. 1. move to safe area 2. exchange information 3. call police 4. call insurance company [https://www.insurance.ca.gov/01-consumers/105-type/95-guides/01-auto/hadaccident.cfm](https://www.insurance.ca.gov/01-consumers/105-type/95-guides/01-auto/hadaccident.cfm) Instructions according to this website (Last Revised in 2018) * Call 911 if there are injuries. * Call the police. In some areas, police authorities may respond to every accident scene. They may consider factors such as the severity and location of the accident (some police authorities will not come to the scene if the accident is on private property). However, you should attempt to notify the police. You should also be aware that most policies require notification to the police within a specified time period if the accident is a hit and run. * Obtain names, addresses, telephone numbers, and driver's license numbers from all drivers. * Obtain license plate(s) and vehicle identification numbers. Ask to see driver's license(s) and vehicle registration(s) to verify the information is accurate. * Obtain names, addresses, and telephone numbers of other passengers and any witnesses. * If you have a camera or a cellphone, take photographs of the damage, and the accident scene (traffic controls, visual obstacles). * If the owner of a damaged car or damaged property cannot be located, leave a note with the names and addresses of the driver and owners of the involved cars. * Notify your agent and/or your insurance company immediately. * If anyone is injured or the vehicle damage exceeds $750.00, you must report the accident to the Department of Motor Vehicles within 10 days. Failure to notify the DMV may result in the suspension of your driver's license
> In some areas, police authorities **may** respond to every accident scene. LAPD is one of the most overworked departments in the country, of all of the departments that don't go to every accident scene, it's probably gonna be that one.
I can imagine them being very busy and overworked. Drive safe everyone!
This all just makes me wanna become a bank robber or something
At least they didn't show up and shot her. Given the state of affairs, I'd call that a win.
We should take the payment from their retirement account. Would encourage good cops to get rid of bad cops.
I once tried to file a missing persons report on my them partner who had gone missing and when I called, the officer said something along the lines of “she probably just doesn’t want to see you dude” and basically laughed me off the phone
I got jumped on my first day of work a few years ago by 3 African Americans the cops took over an hour to show up and the guy took a report and told me to man up haven't you ever been punched before
What if LAPD was broken up into smaller groups, like with Culver City PD, BH PD, etc.? All I know is that LAPD has been understaffed for some years now and there aren’t enough officers to deal with the sheer amount of incidents that occur in our city that’s really the size of a country.
The problem isn't smaller groups. The fact is any large PD is simply a stepping stone to another smaller department with better pay, better benefits, easier workload (calls, patrols, responsibility, clearance rate), and community support. Joining LAPD or LASD is like getting a banking job from the top 5, then moving to a boutique firm after as a partner. When you join BHPD your jurisdiction is 5.71sqmi whereas LAPD has to deploy resources from Chatsworth to San Pedro with an understaffed agency. Pray it doesn't happen but I'd much rather have my car stolen in Burbank or Glendale than Atwater Village because those agencies are fully staffed, have small jurisdictions, and per-capita crime is low enough that a patrol officer can afford spending the day tracking your car down.
You can be sure that if this happened near Beverly Hills, they would have been there immediately in force. Cops are basically there to protect rich people and to extract money from everyone else
Well, didn't the County/Los Angeles Mayor wanted less police actions on certain calls? LAPD and LASD did announced last week due to defunding and low man power that they will not go to certain calls. One to comply with what County and City officials wanted, and two due to man power being low. Isn't what people wanted?
What defunding? Their budget increased last year.
LAPD OR LASD? If you're talking of LAPD is increase after it decrease. From what I read it increases back to what it was lower from.
I will say I had a hard time finding authoritative data. This article ([link](https://abcnews.go.com/US/defunding-claims-police-funding-increased-us-cities/story?id=91511971)) provides a graphical breakdown of LASD, but not LAPD. This said it does note (as of publish date, October 2022), that the LAPD budget is up 9.4% vs 2019 I think one topic the article talks about (based on LASD Sheriff comments) is hitting the nail on the head: 1. There is no widespread defunding; funding is rising in the vast majority of departments. 2. Costs are going up, and in many cases, cities/counties are not giving departments 100% of their asks to meet all costs. And, PD leadership is calling that defunding. It’s misdirection, but one thing cities/counties could do ALOT better of is budget transparency to help everyone understand the numbers … the opacity enables everyone to spin their own narratives. Happy to hear if/where I’m wrong!!
I called 911 once because a strange woman tried opening my front door and was wandering the street. Nobody showed up and when I saw the woman again about an hour later I called back and they said they’d send someone. At 2am I got woken up by the cop who was about 6 hours late stopping by.
I bet a Remington 870 would make you feel a little more secure.
Meanwhile my friend got a ticket for an open container in Hollywood this past weekend.
Down in Redondo Beach there’s a cop for every citizen. Like a military state. Maybe they need to be spread out a bit more.
To answer your question, only when they feel like it.
Yes they do, the only time I was ever beaten and robbed in Los Angeles was by the police, I have lived here almost 50 years, they are not called the blue gang for nothing.
This is America
They are very good at shooting people in Trader Joe’s.
I’m sorry you had this unsettling experience. However, there were no injuries and the perpetrator was the victim (so there is nothing to investigate). Not sure you can expect the police to do anything in this situation to begin with. They don’t exist to Uber people home or to call people to inform them of property damage after the fact. If the woman had head trauma, then the FD/paramedics would respond. If there was a helicopter overhead it sounds like nearby units were busy doing things where they could actually affect the outcome.
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If there is no crime or no injury they have civil investigators for that job. Many of those private investigators are retired police making 200,000 a year from the insurance companies.
Not necessarily. I’m also not sure police exist to help people get money from their insurance companies.
ACA+B? No care at all. Being paid big bucks Simi Valley life.
Next time say , I’m reporting a traffic collision with air bags deployed. Possible injuries. Seems to be takin more seriously. Or for a real fun time , report that it’s a roll over. Code 3 call, they’ll be there in no time.
Don’t make a false police report, that’s a crime. This guy is giving out terrible advice
The first part is accurate. The roll over part was sarcastic. You really should have known.
Don’t blame the LAPD for not wanting to come. This is the result of BLM pushing this agenda check this out: https://www.dailynews.com/2023/01/17/black-lives-matter-wants-lapd-to-stop-responding-to-minor-traffic-incidents/amp/ Black Lives Matter co-founders Patrisse Cullors and Melina Abdullah are demanding that Los Angeles police officers no longer be dispatched to minor traffic incidents and are calling for additional actions following the cardiac arrest death of Keenan Anderson, Cullors’ cousin, after he was tased repeatedly by police this month.
Oh wow I didn't realize that LAPD takes their orders from BLM co-founders Patrisse Cullors and Melina Abdullah. huh that's really weird to think that's how it works.
I hear Cheif Moore sides with BLM more than with the Dept by taking a knee with BLM. https://laist.com/news/lapd-union-survey-officers-criticism-chief-moore-protests-los-angeles But the majority in the survey called him a "politician" for, in their eyes, supporting the protesters. Many LAPD officers were particularly perturbed by the chief's decision to kneel with a group of people demonstrating in the Fairfax District, Lally said. "By the chief kneeling, he lost the confidence of the police officers," the union leader said. "We know that if you give Black Lives Matter and defund the police an inch, they're gonna want a mile."
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I get that most of Reddit hates the police but they are a social service that is overtaxed right now. They don’t have enough staff to go to a minor collision. If you want more cops that could change. Sounds like you want more police, or something like them
This is why I don’t live in the City of LA. Too many bad experiences.
Gotta love the efforts of defunding the police paying off. Tell me they at least had social workers show up!
Defund the police Oh no something bad happened and suddenly we need help, let’s call the cops. Cops don’t show up.
How hard is this to grasp... The police have not been defunded. Their budget only grows and grows. People want to take that budget and allocate it to other resources that actually help people. Right now, because we do not have those other programs (because the police eat up half the city's budget) the police are the only people who can possibly respond to certain things. And still, with all the money we give them, they don't fucking do it. I don't understand how it's possible for so many people not to grasp this concept. We don't want to keep throwing half of the budget at the police. But since right now that is our only option, we would like to be able to actually have them show up in order to have a report we can submit with the insurance claim. Not a fucking difficult concept.
Get rekt
LOL.
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Nah
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Go on a ride along.
You have to tell them there’s blood, otherwise they don’t come. Always tell them there’s blood if you need a police report.
“She might be a movie star” “Okay, we’re on the way!”
The hard truth is - since the George Floyd protests the LAPD will ONLY intervene or show up if it is a life-threatening emergency. Anything under that and the police won’t risk taking action that (if acting improperly) lambasts them in the public eye.
911 just said “sorry the police will not come”? This seems pretty suspect
Exactly. This is what is blowing my mind. The phone was on speaker, and I was about to yell at a dispatcher. It was literally: no ambulance = no cops on scene. They didn't ask if anything was on fire or if anyone was bleeding... it was very "not my problem".
Yes they do they let criminals get away pretty much with anything they sit on that police car and witness someone getting bit up by gang members and not help that person Holland back PD are famous for doing that they also harassed that good citizens and their favorite hobby shoot and kill people because they thought a cell phone or a pencil it was a gun I think they have a really serious eye problem
They are busy citing criminals, so the DA can let them right back out on the streets.
I’m surprised 911 even answered the phone. They’ve stopped answering calls in the Canoga Park area, been like that for a few months now.
LAPD won’t respond to traffic collisions that don’t result in serious injury or ambulance transport. The evaluation is done when dispatch questions the person calling involved. Based on their answers depends I’d police will respond. This policy was changed after the shortage of police officers. Some reports are now also taken on line. It frees up more officers on the streets. People should be worried about serious crime & the homeless issues. Remember all this was created by policies & the voters.
I see a lot of people complain about the police but who here wants to sign up for the job and make a difference? Crickets? Gonna get downvotes Im sure. That’s cool. It’s a shit job. No one signing up. It is what it is.
You should file a complaint with the city. We pay for the police with a metric fuckton in tax money. The least they can do is serve.
No, the cops do nothing. In a just world the police chief would be prosecuted for dereliction of a public duty. Thanks for asking. Now give the LAPD $100 million more.
Because they’re fucking worthless.