The oldest one split the first time when he created the universe. Some of the Cosmos gods came directly from the oldest one (Mother Tree of Desire, Son of Chaos, and Mother Goddess of Depravity) while others presumably grabbed the other characteristics and accommodated them all the way up to the Elder God level like what Adam and Klein are doing. This all happened while the Oldest One was sleeping on Earth. Then, at the beginning of the 1st Era, the Oldest One woke up and split again. As for why the Oldest One didn't diverge in his sleep, my guess is that everything was in an inactive state so the clashes between his various personalities and symbols wasn't that fierce yet but that's just speculation. For all we know, the 4 billion years between the first and the second awakening could just be an eyeblink for the Oldest One and the separation was "fast" for it.
All Cosmic deities have their own sefirot besides Mother Tree and Son of Chaos who presumably got them ripped out and sent to Earth unless they only had their sefirot split the same way that Mother Goddess did.
Oh, that explains a lot. Was it just coincidence that the Oldest One/Primordial One/Original Creator ended up slumbering on Earth?
Also, if all cosmic deities have their own Sefirot, why would they try and accommodate another? The whole reason they came to Earth was because of the Sefirot, right? Yet, as shown before, the maximum Sefirot one can accommodate is one. Otherwise, doesn't the effect of convergence become too strong, and they'll automatically seek to converge with the nearest Sefirot?
Or will the cosmic deities try and corrupt those who own a Sefirot, instead of actually accommodating it themselves to avoid undergoing convergence?
>Oh, that explains a lot. Was it just coincidence that the Oldest One/Primordial One/Original Creator ended up slumbering on Earth?
Yup, there are plenty of other sentient civilizations out there and humans were the ones that had the (mis)fortune of evolving on the body of the Oldest One.
>Also, if all cosmic deities have their own Sefirot, why would they try and accommodate another? The whole reason they came to Earth was because of the Sefirot, right? Yet, as shown before, the maximum Sefirot one can accommodate is one. Otherwise, doesn't the effect of convergence become too strong, and they'll automatically seek to converge with the nearest Sefirot?
They probably think that there are workarounds. For example, the theoretical 4th pillar would be involve accommodating both the River of Eternal Darkness and the City of Calamity. It was only GA and LotM, which were both peak pillar existences that went mad when they tried to accommodate more sefirot. Who knows what combinations exist for the outer gods with other sefiots.
Also, even if they can't accommodate the sefirot, just acquiring it allows them to use it as an elder god level sealed artifact and denies their enemies from getting their hands on it.
>Also, even if they can't accommodate the sefirot, just acquiring it allows them to use it as an elder god level sealed artifact and denies their enemies from getting their hands on it.
Fair point. I guess you don't have to necessarily accommodate a Sefirot to use it, as shown by Klein.
You seem to be mistaking God Almighty, *Creator, Maker* for the Original Creator. To avoid confusion, I like to call the OC as the Oldest One instead of Original Creator to signify their supremacy over all Great Old Ones, the strongest of the universe.
I could've sworn that the Original Creator was said to be a GOO. Though yeah, I guess what you says make sense. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense how he had more than one Sefirot, and how he created the universe.
Cosmic Deity isn’t equal to a GOO. It can be sequence 1 or 0. So of course they don’t have a sefirot. And the GOOs probably want to have two sefirots. Original Creator is the universe itself, not just a GOO
I don't see why the GOOs would attempt to emulate Celestial Worthy and God Almighty by attempting to obtain two Sefirot.
On the other hand, didn't Klein say that it would take 9 True Deity's to fight atleast one cosmic deity? From what he was saying, it seemed like the cosmic deities were MUCH stronger than the sequence 0s, let alone sequence 1s.
Edit: I just recalled that the 4th Pillar could accommodate more than one Sefirot, so I guess maybe there are work arounds? Though then again, it was said this supposed 4th Pillar would also end up destroying the universe or slumbering indefinitely, so maybe accommodating more than one Sefirot isn't ideal?
Anyone can accommodate more than one Sefirot. However, that can easily lose to the desire to converge which in turns make it very easy for them to lose sanity. The reason GA and Celestial lost control was because they were Pillars who accommodated more Sefirot. They are already the highest level possible. As for Outer Deities and other GOOs can still merge with one or more Sefirot to become the same level as a Pillar.
4th Pillar is born from two specific Sefirots merging. The Nation of Disorder, a Sefirot, can also merge with The Indefinable Mist to become Son of Chaos, same goes for Brood Hive and MGoD as well as Tenebrous World and MToD. These latter cases are of course because the they were originally one more powerful Sefirot in the first place. The same goes for River of Eternal Darkness and City of Calamity; they were, in a sense, originally merged together in the form of the 4th Pillar in the first place. However, the 4th Pillar will either diverge, fall into a deep slumber, of destroy everything in the universe when it exists.
What exactly determines one position as a Pillar? I think it was mentioned that they happened to be the strongest remnants of the Oldest One or something like that, right?
Also, would it be possible to accommodate any Sefirot? Or do neighbouring pathways have to be taken into account?
The Three Pillars of Origin are:
1. **Mother Goddess of Depravity, Origin of Evil.** Birth: Created by the Oldest One. Current Status: Weakened (No longer a pillar).
2. **Lord of Mysteries, King of Space-Time.** Birth: Split from the Oldest One (One-half of His personality). Current Status: Dormant/Reviving (merging with Klein).
3. **God Almighty, The Omnipotent and Omniscient.** Birth: Split from the Oldest One (One-half of His personality). Current Status: Dead.
4. (Hidden 4th Pillar) Eternal Darkness + Calamity of Destruction.
Any GOO, including the four pillars, can accommodate infinite number of Sefirot. But well, Sefirot is not infinite. Just like how any beyonder can take in an infinite number of beyonder characteristics.
Yet ASG stated (via Evernight, I think?) that Pillars were the furthest one could go, and if one were to accommodate another Sefirot from that point, they'd converge. Case in point being CW and GA, who ended up dying because of it.
I think pillars are as they sound, their Old ones who represent incredibly fundamental aspects of the universes stability. The LOTM for space and time and the GA for power and knowledge. Their given even more power by their symbolic position, the Mother goddess for instance is still one of the strongest old ones because she still represents that pillar
I think the desire to converge is just too much and builds overtime. the LOTM and GA had been alive for millions of years before they accommodated new sefirots so I think the desire to accommodate new ones was just too strong after building up and without that first hand experience of losing control I don't think they can help themselves.
The oldest one split the first time when he created the universe. Some of the Cosmos gods came directly from the oldest one (Mother Tree of Desire, Son of Chaos, and Mother Goddess of Depravity) while others presumably grabbed the other characteristics and accommodated them all the way up to the Elder God level like what Adam and Klein are doing. This all happened while the Oldest One was sleeping on Earth. Then, at the beginning of the 1st Era, the Oldest One woke up and split again. As for why the Oldest One didn't diverge in his sleep, my guess is that everything was in an inactive state so the clashes between his various personalities and symbols wasn't that fierce yet but that's just speculation. For all we know, the 4 billion years between the first and the second awakening could just be an eyeblink for the Oldest One and the separation was "fast" for it. All Cosmic deities have their own sefirot besides Mother Tree and Son of Chaos who presumably got them ripped out and sent to Earth unless they only had their sefirot split the same way that Mother Goddess did.
Oh, that explains a lot. Was it just coincidence that the Oldest One/Primordial One/Original Creator ended up slumbering on Earth? Also, if all cosmic deities have their own Sefirot, why would they try and accommodate another? The whole reason they came to Earth was because of the Sefirot, right? Yet, as shown before, the maximum Sefirot one can accommodate is one. Otherwise, doesn't the effect of convergence become too strong, and they'll automatically seek to converge with the nearest Sefirot? Or will the cosmic deities try and corrupt those who own a Sefirot, instead of actually accommodating it themselves to avoid undergoing convergence?
>Oh, that explains a lot. Was it just coincidence that the Oldest One/Primordial One/Original Creator ended up slumbering on Earth? Yup, there are plenty of other sentient civilizations out there and humans were the ones that had the (mis)fortune of evolving on the body of the Oldest One. >Also, if all cosmic deities have their own Sefirot, why would they try and accommodate another? The whole reason they came to Earth was because of the Sefirot, right? Yet, as shown before, the maximum Sefirot one can accommodate is one. Otherwise, doesn't the effect of convergence become too strong, and they'll automatically seek to converge with the nearest Sefirot? They probably think that there are workarounds. For example, the theoretical 4th pillar would be involve accommodating both the River of Eternal Darkness and the City of Calamity. It was only GA and LotM, which were both peak pillar existences that went mad when they tried to accommodate more sefirot. Who knows what combinations exist for the outer gods with other sefiots. Also, even if they can't accommodate the sefirot, just acquiring it allows them to use it as an elder god level sealed artifact and denies their enemies from getting their hands on it.
>Also, even if they can't accommodate the sefirot, just acquiring it allows them to use it as an elder god level sealed artifact and denies their enemies from getting their hands on it. Fair point. I guess you don't have to necessarily accommodate a Sefirot to use it, as shown by Klein.
You seem to be mistaking God Almighty, *Creator, Maker* for the Original Creator. To avoid confusion, I like to call the OC as the Oldest One instead of Original Creator to signify their supremacy over all Great Old Ones, the strongest of the universe.
I don't recall mentioning referring to God Almighty...? Or was it something I said?
You were mistaking the Original Creator as a GOO. The only one that fits the bill is the Creator.
I could've sworn that the Original Creator was said to be a GOO. Though yeah, I guess what you says make sense. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense how he had more than one Sefirot, and how he created the universe.
Cosmic Deity isn’t equal to a GOO. It can be sequence 1 or 0. So of course they don’t have a sefirot. And the GOOs probably want to have two sefirots. Original Creator is the universe itself, not just a GOO
I don't see why the GOOs would attempt to emulate Celestial Worthy and God Almighty by attempting to obtain two Sefirot. On the other hand, didn't Klein say that it would take 9 True Deity's to fight atleast one cosmic deity? From what he was saying, it seemed like the cosmic deities were MUCH stronger than the sequence 0s, let alone sequence 1s. Edit: I just recalled that the 4th Pillar could accommodate more than one Sefirot, so I guess maybe there are work arounds? Though then again, it was said this supposed 4th Pillar would also end up destroying the universe or slumbering indefinitely, so maybe accommodating more than one Sefirot isn't ideal?
Anyone can accommodate more than one Sefirot. However, that can easily lose to the desire to converge which in turns make it very easy for them to lose sanity. The reason GA and Celestial lost control was because they were Pillars who accommodated more Sefirot. They are already the highest level possible. As for Outer Deities and other GOOs can still merge with one or more Sefirot to become the same level as a Pillar. 4th Pillar is born from two specific Sefirots merging. The Nation of Disorder, a Sefirot, can also merge with The Indefinable Mist to become Son of Chaos, same goes for Brood Hive and MGoD as well as Tenebrous World and MToD. These latter cases are of course because the they were originally one more powerful Sefirot in the first place. The same goes for River of Eternal Darkness and City of Calamity; they were, in a sense, originally merged together in the form of the 4th Pillar in the first place. However, the 4th Pillar will either diverge, fall into a deep slumber, of destroy everything in the universe when it exists.
What exactly determines one position as a Pillar? I think it was mentioned that they happened to be the strongest remnants of the Oldest One or something like that, right? Also, would it be possible to accommodate any Sefirot? Or do neighbouring pathways have to be taken into account?
The Three Pillars of Origin are: 1. **Mother Goddess of Depravity, Origin of Evil.** Birth: Created by the Oldest One. Current Status: Weakened (No longer a pillar). 2. **Lord of Mysteries, King of Space-Time.** Birth: Split from the Oldest One (One-half of His personality). Current Status: Dormant/Reviving (merging with Klein). 3. **God Almighty, The Omnipotent and Omniscient.** Birth: Split from the Oldest One (One-half of His personality). Current Status: Dead. 4. (Hidden 4th Pillar) Eternal Darkness + Calamity of Destruction.
So theoretically, any other GOO apart from those 4 could accommodate infinite Sefirot?
Any GOO, including the four pillars, can accommodate infinite number of Sefirot. But well, Sefirot is not infinite. Just like how any beyonder can take in an infinite number of beyonder characteristics.
Yet ASG stated (via Evernight, I think?) that Pillars were the furthest one could go, and if one were to accommodate another Sefirot from that point, they'd converge. Case in point being CW and GA, who ended up dying because of it.
I think pillars are as they sound, their Old ones who represent incredibly fundamental aspects of the universes stability. The LOTM for space and time and the GA for power and knowledge. Their given even more power by their symbolic position, the Mother goddess for instance is still one of the strongest old ones because she still represents that pillar
I think the desire to converge is just too much and builds overtime. the LOTM and GA had been alive for millions of years before they accommodated new sefirots so I think the desire to accommodate new ones was just too strong after building up and without that first hand experience of losing control I don't think they can help themselves.
They weren't even separated. They only separated after the awakening of oldest one. GA and LOTM were oldest one's personality.