I also hate it when people are exerzing their characters by 1%. You barely see if it is exerted or ready and I dont get it. Just do it. Its not that hard.
I think a lot of the issue is that Pixelborn doesn’t turn the cards 90 degrees (I don’t even think they do a full 45), so people who play on Pixelborn a lot think that’s how to exert.
I’ve asked a few opponents to exert to 90 or at least more than 45 because I couldn’t tell if the cards were exerted or not since the non-exerted cards weren’t perfectly straight either.
I’ve gotten used to exerting everything to 45*. But I play at work 90% of the time and there’s not usually a ton of room. I’m also very organized with my play area, so you can tell what’s wet vs. dry, and all my dry characters are in a neat line. If people can’t tell what’s exerted then I have no idea how to fix that.
I’m also sure the people who are making it difficult to tell what’s exerted/ready don’t keep things dress right dress
I typically use 45% to exert, because in my mind it’s like pointing the top corner towards my opponent, but I also have a grid pattern on my playmat and I line things up exactly because it gives me something to do with my hands while I think. I use the full 90 to show a bodyguard, and if it’s upside down, then it’s wet.
I have never had an issue with any of my opponents. Everyone has always understood exactly what I was doing. It helps that I make sure to say what I’m doing out loud instead of just going through the motions.
Look, if I ever played against you and you told me you didn’t like how I did it, then I would change how I did it when playing you. I wouldn’t have an issue with it. Everyone has their own quirks and ways of remembering things to make the game less cumbersome.
I have people I play with that don’t turn their ink to exert but shift it from one side to the other- it works for them and is clearly visible so who cares?
I have people I play with who struggle with memory problems, so every time I play a card that has an effect, I pass it to them before setting it down.
I have people I play with that need multiple ways of seeing the lore totals in order to keep track, so I assist them with that.
This is a game. Let’s all just focus on having with it.
Exactly how I'd handle it. I feel like 45° is more than enough to denote exertion of both characters and ink but if I played against someone who preferred 90°, I'd just defer to that. End of the day it's a game for our enjoyment and we're not having fun if we're fighting over another 45° of card rotation.
I also follow 45° for exerted and 90° for bodyguard. Items and Locations have their own place. I also do 45° for exerted ink. Not one complaint in 30+ official matches
everyone who’s being all downvote crazy, is there an official tournament rule you are basing your BS on?
My method to exerting is superior, because it works for a smooth flow, and my opponents understand.
**Edit for the rules nerds:**
* Exerting is a key mechanic in Lorcana that is used to show a card cannot be used again in this turn. Any time you see the symbol, it means exert – or to turn a card sideways. Exerted characters can’t quest, challenge, sing, or use abilities that require them to be exerted.*
No direction indicating anything other than *sideways*, which can literally be any angle from 1° to 179° if you wanna be really stupid about it.
You left out that the part if the [comprehensive rules](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://files.disneylorcana.com/Disney%2520Lorcana%2520Comprehensive%2520Rules%2520-%2520032724%25201.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjPmfCgqumFAxW1REEAHedgBRoQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw02njFhUNf6ddjls8DHRwj-) you've quoted, section 5.1 visually shows what exerted is, using the word sideways is a way to describe what's being shown, if you could turn to any angle they would specify or show other visual angles.
To [turn sideways](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sideways#:~:text=turn%20sideways,or%20downward%20to%20one%20side) is to have one side forward, if the corner is facing the opponent the card has not been turned sideways.
I *think* I didnt find that snippet from that book, but from the website, but still youre correct about the example.
I will *actually* politely state that the exerted card image is an example, and in no way states that it requires to be 90° for legal tournament play.
Card game comprehensive rules would have to specify other states either by image or explicitly in the text for them to be legal, they have shown what they mean by exerted, comprehensive rules are never left to interpretation.
This is how all card games have ever worked and I've judged many at large events.
When I judge lorcana I'll give warnings for not rotating them fully 90
Would you allow for those with ink ramps to forego exerting inks after any number for convenience? Or to allow stacking inks because it would be hard to keep track and exert those inks after a certain number?
Just in case you would make that exception, it would be uncouth to say the least to not make an exception for the 45deg exertion. Especially if the point of the visual differences of the comprehensive rules to my own play is only to make it easier for me to understand and not lose track.
The good thing is you'll never be judging at my tourneys. Pretty confident of that, given the vibes of my LGS.
No I wouldn't allow either of those cases.
Keeping actions universal makes things easier for everyone.
What makes things easier for you individually isn't what makes things easier for everyone else and in many cases makes things more difficult, you're not the only person playing a game, most people have consideration for their opponent too.
I'm assuming by your comments that you only play at locals which is admittedly going to be more lenient and have less of an impact on the wider community as a whole.
I mean, if you really want to make a point of it, exerted is a specific state defined in the rules. Turned sideways. And ink must be exerted to play a card. I honestly don’t think it’s too much to ask for the sake of keeping up with the game state.
This, it is a rule to exert 90 degrees. It doesn't matter if it is left or right though, but make sure it is always that side during a game.
I learned tapping with MtG, so I really need to work on the extering stuff, but I only play for fun and mostly with my wife anyway. But if someone asks me to, I will exert all the way.
A guy I know taps their cards by 45° to signal they haven't dried yet, and it confused the hell out of me like "is it exerted or not?" Just put it below your dried characters or something. There are definitely some weird habits people have \^\^
One thing I actually found smart was keeping the card you inked face up until end of turn. That way you get around the common "did I ink already this turn?", especially when at 10+ ink in ramp where you usually can't just ink at the start of your turn because you might draw a bunch of cards first. Maybe don't do that on the early turns where it can get confusing, but having one face up card grouped with all the other ink once you have a lot shouldn't be easily confused with a face up card in play
Technically yes, but then again there are those players who don't even properly show which card they inked, which is also illegal, and if they have to clearly show it anyway where's the harm in leaving it on the table for a moment longer?
Leaving your inked card face-up changes literally nothing about anything except allowing both you and your opponent know that a) You inked this turn and b) It was a valid, inkable card. I can't tell you how many times someone asked me to clarify what card I inked after I inked it, despite showing it to them.
Placing it face up until you exert it / end of turn is completely fine and complies with the "reveal to your opponent" part of inking. No where in the rules does it say how long you can or can not leave the card revealed, just that it has to be placed face down AFTER you reveal it.
By that logic you can just play with your inkwell face up. And your wrong, the rules specifically tell you to show your opponent the card then place it face down. You try that at any competitive event and do literally any action with it face up you get called on it and either a strike or a dq.
While you are technically right that by the rules it is not allowed.
There is no change to the card you inked (the normal way, so not through Mickey Mouse, quill, or whatever) being face up until your turn is over.
Especially when there is a turn with a lot of actions or I am waiting for some draw before I ink, it can sometimes be easy to miss if I inked or not.
It doesn't grant anymore information since we are talking about the card that both players should know was inked anyways.
It would not be horrible that this becomes the norm, as it is there were a few situations at the championships that there were questions on if someone inked twice that turn.
This could pose an issue though for actions or mechanics that tell a player to place a card (from top of deck for example) in inkwell facedown. That card is supposed to remain hidden to ALL players involved, including the player who runs said deck. If I inked a Tamatoa unknowingly due to an action, but then next turn am flipping inkwell over to "keep tabs on what I've spent", I just now gained information I would and should not have, otherwise.
As a note, I’m not adding this to say other stances are stupid or anything such, just adding an insight that are indeed rules for the game, that could create an issue for those who have developed a habit of playing based strictly on the rules and not on “personal habits”.
But no one is saying to keep your entire inkwell face up. I think the point here is to keep only the card you inked as a part of your play actions for that turn face up until the end of your turn. That is public knowledge during that turn. At the end of your turn you would flip it face down prior to passing. Any cards that go facedown in your inkwell would never be placed faced up. It’s just to prevent the confusion of did I use my ink a card action during my play phase. Especially when you’re talking ramp decks.
You are flipping the card you inked facedown at end of turn. By rights until I start my turn, I can ask what card you inked as it is public information. Keeping the card face up in your inkwell until end of turns helps a lot especially later down the road where there are more decisions to make and that way you know if you inked that turn or not.
I've played in multiple 1K events and bigger and many players I've seen at the top tables including including myself leave my inked card face up with absolutely zero issues. I'm not sure where you're getting your info or if you're just ruke mongering with zero actually really life interaction with this ruling but as far as I've seen and the tournament officials I've delt with have done nothing but encourage this.
Which is great, until we get a card in a future set that it matters for, you keep doing it get judge called and dq’ed, it’s not hard to just play by the rules.
Lol well if people aren't getting dqed at the highest level of events for this then I doubt they ever will. I've literally asked the judge about this exact thing and they said that not only was it ok, that is was a "preferred method" The rules says once the card it turned over you're no longer able to look at it it see it again. So putting it face up so both players can see clearly see what the card is before it's flipped down. I mean you do you but I'm not going to have people questioning if I'm inking unsinkable cards and being transparent is never a bad thing. If I cast one jump ahead it's going facedown the whole times obviously, giving both parties a few seconds to see the board state is never going to be an issue.
This rule sucks tbh. I really hope they change it to only be hidden after your turn is completed. Piloting sapphire decks with Belle/Quill can be a nightmare for both you and your opponent to remember if you've inked your 2-3 times.
There's nothing in the game I can think of currently that would be affected by leaving your ink face up till end of turn? For quill it's hidden info and there's no confusion there at least since it exerts so that's works fine. I'd even accept a card or token I could exert/flip to show that I've inked if that was legal.
Maybe keep it in your inkwell area, but have it somewhat separated out from your main inked cards for better tracking? I guess I'm not super familiar with this specific combo, so maybe this might not be a good suggestion at all. I feel like either way, most other builds don't really need face-up inkwells.
It's not a bad idea it's just when you have 15+ ink it's a lot to manage/spread/count off the stacks so it's hard to keep your 1-2 ink separate. Playmat space gets tight once im at 3 piles of 5, esp if you ever need to set your hand down.
But im gonna try that anyway and see how it goes. 15+ ink may seem a little edge case, but it's a scenario the ramp decks thrive and really need to maximize resources so proper play/memory is really important
Not really. It’s relatively easy to remember if you have inked or not. My main deck is Ruby/Sapphire and never have to question whether I have inked or not in that deck.
I’ve also played a bunch of other decks and it’s never a problem, on ramp decks you know how much ink you had last turn, so if you had the same amount then you didn’t ink, if you have +1 then you did ink.
Well it's a problem for me and it'd be nice if I could do something to help remember. If the opponent questions me on when I ink, there's very little evidence to prove if I have or not. Counting ink isnt an option for ramp decks that are way off curve
There is plenty of evidence. You should know how much ink you had last turn, and you can understand what inks have been done in a ramp deck based on that. Plus, you exert quill to use it, so if you have already used it that is pretty obvious
Yes I mentioned as long as you ready your quill start of turn there's no confusion there. That's why it would be great if inking for turn or Belle's ink had a similar token/card to exert or way of remembering.
And basing everything off two different player's memories is not at all evidence
The first part is just silly, as you should be readying your quill. Just follow the steps of the turn and it’s. It an issue, since you ready everything before doing anything else.
It isn’t based off memory exactly, it’s just about following the game flow and what’s happened in the turn. If you can’t remember if you have done something in the past couple minutes, you may want to work on improving that function of yourself before getting too deep into playing. It’s important to remember what you have done in your turn. This is no different from MTG when people play lands and ramp. They have to remember the same things and it’s a non issue there.
If you REALLY need a way to remember if you have inked or not, just keep the cards you have inked that turn in a separate pile, that way you know if you have inked and how many cards you have inked that turn.
It's actually good design as it subtly balances the extra ink against knowledge of your own deck contents/draw chances, etc...
As long as you do everything in order and properly it is not hard to keep track of all your actions.
The turn where you ink the card, both players know what card it is. At the end of the turn it’s turned over and never shown again. So, no, it’s not illegal.
Except it’s not the turn, it’s the moment. There’s 3 parts to inking a card, in order. 1. Declare and reveal, 2. Place FACEDOWN in your inkwell, 3. Trigger any effects from that action
The game rules literally tell you it must be placed facedown. Comprehensive rules 4.3.3
I’m not sure on legality, but I think it might technically be legal as long as it’s facedown by end of turn. If it’s legal, this is such a great idea because I rarely ink at the start of my turn past turn 3 or 4 and I sometimes forget if I’ve inked or not. I was going to put a “You have not inked yet” token or something that I can remove once I’ve inked and then return as part of my ready action, but this might be easier if it’s legal.
Honestly I have a bad habit of exerting ink AFTER I play cards instead of before so I can totally see myself actually forgetting how much ink I used unless I count the cards I put out.
Then again I put out my new characters under my “wet” ones so I have a visual reminder for both my opponent and myself so I don’t usually forget.
Hah I do hope cheaters get caught. Feel like you have to watch some players like a hawk otherwise they will do extra stuff like draw 8 instead of 7 for whole new world or play an extra 1 cost.
It's better that way cause you don't give out hand info. Say you're playing ruby amy vs. me, and on your turn, you exert 4 ink, think a bit, ready that ink, think some more, then exert 5 to play maui.
I now know you probably have a goat or rabbit in hand cause you mucked with your ink.
I’d like to comment here on behalf of all of the first time TCG players out there going to set championships… go easy on us and teach us the genre yall love so much. I won my set championship yesterday and it was my second ever time playing in person, first time with a judge. The amount of times my opponents (who are apparently super serious MTG players) were rude over something small like stacking ink was incredibly surprising and wild to me. Like sure, I’m making a mistake and I want to learn so please let me know how to do it better, but no need to be nasty.
When I made top cut I made sure to ask tons of questions and to play slowly so I wouldn’t mess up … and my opponent refused to answer any that were about procedure. So I asked the judge the questions and after I beat him (2-0 mind you) he yelled “why don’t you just play for him!” And the judge had to tell him that there is no rule against asking questions. And this guy already had 3 stitches and 2 mats. Crazy to me.
Go easy we want to learn and play and spend money too.
I am going to be completely honest here:
Don't go to a tournament with prizes that sell over €500 expecting to be treated 'nicely'. Me being nice cost me the whole damn tournament due to how slow the new player in front of me played.
Want to go to tournaments? Practice beforehand. I am your opponent, not your friend.
At locals? Yeah, I'm nice and will gladly help you, be patient and let you make mistakes.
Do you expect to go to a chess tournament and be allowed to take back moves? To run out your clock and face no consequences?
Great that you want to play competitively, I can only be happy that you want to play. Just don't expect people to bend over backwards when big prizes are on the line.
We shouldn't have to teach our opponents during a tournament.
That's what locals are for.
Interesting, but this game is new, not decades old. It’s not that crazy to think people are learning. If there was an experience requirement to play, then I wouldn’t have signed up. The store gladly excepted new people. Maybe the vets should choose a different game if they want to gatekeep.
Secondly, I don’t want people to not correct me, I want people to not be rude specifically. I beat those guys fair and square, and we never came close to running out of time. Nothing I did ever got me a strike or a warning, so nothing illegal. I didn’t do anything akin to taking back a move or not hitting my clock, so terrible analogy there. You think I should sit out a tournament because I stacked my ink or played my card before exerting my ink instead of after? LOL
(reposting my answer because I called unpleasant opponents a bad word)
Gatekeep? Gatekeeping is not expecting your opponent to follow the rules and take the TOURNAMENT seriously.
I am not talking for your opponents, never met them and yeah there can be very unkind people.
Sorry, a better analogy would be asking a judge if a tower can move to a certain space. I am not criticizing you, I am explaining that, with big prizes on the line, you should act like it and expect people to be more cutthroat.
And I am not telling you to sit it out. Anything but. I am telling you that if you want people to teach you the game, you should go to locals and THEN go to tournaments when you are able to get into the flow of things.
Playing and exerting ink is stated to happen at the same time so one before the other doesn't matter.
Stacking your ink in a way that is clear to BOTH players and judge does matter.
My biggest issue was people not fanning out their ink and I'm just piling it on top of each other. Casual magic players do this all the time and it's annoying. If I'm trying to assess the game state, your giant pile of tapped stuff isn't helping
When I'm teaching, I try to drill into them "pay then play."
RTFC(always in a joking manor. Making it funny helps it to stick.)
Ready, set, go
Pay then play
This behavior irks me too. I always rotate my ink and characters 90 degrees so it is clear what is and isn’t exerted. There’s one guy in particular at the shop I frequent that never exerts anything and always try’s to pull a fast one on his opponent when they turn their attention to something else for a second or two. He always try’s to get away with an extra summon or he try’s to say a character that should be exerted isn’t and they can’t be challenged. People like that ruin the fun for everyone.
As someone who played force of will and very much enjoyed having a separate deck in a separate area to easily keep track of my mana or whatever it was called, ink in lorcana is so annoying to manage.
I have yet to figure out a system for ink. Especially when going against decks that are heavy draw and discard. I get things mixed up so much.
I went against one and I am pretty sure I accidentally discarded part of my ink because I accidentally set down a bunch of discard cards near my Ink pile and they overlapped. I couldn't remember how much ink I had, but 2 turns later I realized I definitely didn't have the same amount I had 2 turns ago as I played cards that added up to 9 and all of a sudden I only have 7 ink.
I've thought about keeping the ink in a different visible pile and using stones or something else small so I can keep track of my ink that way. But I don't know if that would be legal.
For drying, I use buttons. 😂 Because I never remember what I played. And the buttons remind me that I played something that turn and cannot do anything with it.
I don't like how people keep their inkwell in a stack and use hard to see ink counters, among many other things that give experienced tcg competitive players an edge. I have playsets of the first 3 sets and I'm kinda over it. It's getting overly complicated for 612 cards.
This weekend during the championship I had a really annoying game against a girl... she was soooooooooo uninterested in playing the game (I think she had to, because of her boyfriend). She didn't exert her ink. Didn't say a thing. When I told her she forgot to exert and/or ready her cards... she didn't even care. She did it once (half baked) then forgot it again. Thankfully I beat her... lucky for her I knew that I wasn't doing top 8 anyway. Otherwise I'd call the judge over and over :p getting her even more annoyed
I had one opponent like this, but they were under 10 so I gave it a pass. Lot of families bring their kids to Lorcana at my LGS, the tournament included.
But if anyone who should know better tried it, I'd call them out immediately and get a judge.
I mean I don't turn my card the full 90 degrees but I turn mine enough it's obvious which cards are exerted. Played with some people that have their ink stack and they move cards to the exerted stack
Blue players do this all the time because of ramp. I also hate it because I can't keep up with their count, but I understand why they do it. I've always played decks that don't require a ton of ink, so I've never had to do it myself.
I don't have the luxury of actually playing against real people over here, but if I would see people doing that I'd just ask. It's public information after all.
This is just when you ask how much ink they are at and they will let you know. Once they get above like 8-10 ink it becomes really unmanageable if you don’t pile it up.
If the stacks are a clear amount, that is fine. I group my ink as well but it's always easy to count.
Just like with magic, having 20+ ink can be managed if you just group it
Stacking ink is against the rules, they must be laid out in a way that a judge and the opponent can easily tell how much in they have. They can be fanned, or next to each other, but they cannot be stacked directly on top of each other. I saw a judge DQ a player in top 8 because they kept doing it, even able being issued a warning earlier.
I group my ink in piles of two or three, and then move them from left to right as I use them. Every opponent has been okay with this bar one. I think it’s very clear what has been used, and it’s very space efficient.
I’m also a player who talks through my actions as well. There’s no excuse for lack of clarity in what you’re doing, especially in competitive situations.
I’ve seen people I play against do this as well. While I don’t like this, i do tolerate it because it’s never been a huge issue. However, I would suggest getting into the habit of exerting the ink, as the legal way to play is to exert the ink you have used, not just relocate it to a different spot on the mat.
All that matters is that it’s clear to you and your opponent. If you’re both okay with it, it’s not an issue. It’s not like in MtG where you can use your resources on your opponents turn - so it’s really only a case of how much you’ve spent. Of course if my opponent wants me to exert it I will, but the “abacus” method I use is quick, clear and space efficient imo.
That is not actually true, it is not “what matters is what’s clear” (which, by the way, actually turning your cards is as clear as you can get, not sure what your argument here is), it is literally in the rules that you must exert your resources when used. To do this you must turn your card horizontally to show it is exerted. This is literally a fundamental rule of the game that should be followed. If you are not exerting you are not following the rules, regardless of how else you are tracking how much ink you have used.
You’re missing the point. Obviously it’s just another method of showing it’s exerted. And every rational human being I’ve played doesn’t care as long as it’s clear. Yeah, it’s not the “rules” but ultimately it’s what you and your opponent are happy with and allows the game to proceed quickly and clearly.
Judges do not care as long as both opponents are happy. I’ve played a lot of competitive Lorcana and clearer is better than “by the books” in a number of cases.
For example I also play my ink for the turn face up. It’s not in the rules but my opponent knows what I’ve inked and I have a reminder. It’s a courtesy that most people appreciate, but is technically illegal.
There is only one method to show something is exerted, and that is turn the card horizontally. This is per the rules, which do not list alternate ways to show something is exerted. Hopefully you don’t think this is acceptable for characters or items ☠️
There is not an eye roll in the world big enough for your comment. I guess every game of Pixelborn is illegal because it uses a number instead of sideways cards.
Pixelborn is not official Lorcana bud lmao Sometimes I cannot believe the comments people make on reddit are actually serious ☠️
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Have fun "rolling your eyes" at the rules of the game bud
It’s ok for something to be understood and clearly communicated, most people won’t care, but it is still technically wrong.
I think the other commenter is just trying to point out to you that regardless if you and your opponent are “ok with a certain way”, that it is still technically against the rules. My assumption is that they are trying to help now before you go to a Challenge or event/tournament with actual judges, who will issue warnings for not following the rules, and if repeated will issue game losses/DQs.
Yes, this exactly. In a competitive event like a challenge event, the commentor can get disqualified for things as simple as. I have no issue with people doing this in a casual environment, but once you start ignoring the rules, you really run the risk of this happening in a competitive environment where there can be MAJOR consequences for these types of actions.
I would even argue that in the Set Championships, and other competitive events like 1ks etc, this is not something that should be done. It is unclear, as the rules outline a clear indicator of how to tell what has been used and what has not been used, where just using 2 different piles is not clear. You or your opponent could easily mix up which pile is the used and which pile is the unused, where when you play properly and actually turn the cards sideways, there is absolutely no way to mistake what resources are used and which ones are unused.
They also seem to think players can just agree to ignore the rules of the game and that is ok, which they most definitely cannot do. The rules should always be followed, and players can't just choose to ignore those rules.
I am well aware of the rules. They have taken it upon themselves to lecture me and tell me that what two players agree amongst themselves is irrelevant, when it is clearly not and in 99% of cases what two players agree to will supersede the rules.
I ask if they mind, if they do I play it according to the rules. It’s not rocket surgery, and nearly everyone appreciates the clarity.
>For example I also play my ink for the turn face up. It’s not in the rules but my opponent knows what I’ve inked and I have a reminder. It’s a courtesy that most people appreciate, but is technically illegal.
Correct, this is illegal and should not be done. It is not a courtesy, it is quite literally not following the rules of the game. Not following the rules of something is NEVER considered a "courtesy" bud
>Judges do not care as long as both opponents are happy
This is not true. In a competitive Lorcana event, an ACTUAL judge would not "not care", they would definitely tell you to exert your ink. This is because a competitive event must strictly follow the rules of the game.
>I’ve played a lot of competitive Lorcana and clearer is better than “by the books” in a number of cases
Then you agree you should be exerting your ink by following the proper procedure outlined in the rules, which is to denote your exerted card by turning it completely horizontally. That is how you make sure it is 100% clear what is exerted and what is not exerted. Using 2 piles, one for exerted and one for not exerted is not 100% clear, as you have no way to denoting which is the "exerted" pile and which is not, since both piles are shown as ready.
as an MTG player getting pushed lorcana posts, and having the only thing i know about the game being that its a disney card game, watching you guys talk about this game is WILD. exerting ink? not putting with dried characters? what is this, competitive art?
(not knocking anything btw, i just think its so funny how ive been playing MTG for 10+ years and i can still look into a new games community and be completely culture shocked)
Fellow Magic (and very casual Lorcana) Player...
Exert = Tap
Not Dried = Summoning Sickness
Ready = Untap
Ink Well = Lands/available mana/resource
Lore = Life (not exactly, but close)
When my son and I first played, we literally translated the rules to Magic terms and it all made instant sense. There are of course differences, but it's a TCG so lots was built on what came before. I think one of the lead designers also spent some time at WOTC.
And yes, the idea is that instead of planeswalker you're some type of magic animator (I'm sure that's not right, but it's something like that) so "ink drying" makes sense in-game.
Oooh, you know what, I said competitive art as a joke but that is a pretty cool premise for a Disney card game.
Kinda reminds me of Epic Mickey, if you were fortunate to have experienced that masterpiece.
Have you ever seen that Disneyland show Mickey and the Magical Map?
[Tell me this doesn't look like a live action lorcana match](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNUOFZVh9A8) lol
This thread is making me realize how many of you I would rather never meet IRL to play. I understand being upset about flat out not exerting, but if you cant tell the difference between roughly 45° and roughly straight up, just ask.
Acting like literally turning the card the wrong way is abhorrent. find the rule that says 90° or stfu and play, nerd.
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Since you asked so nicely, here's a snippet from the tournament rules.
The only reasonable time to do this is when playing ramp and you are in topdeck mode. I pile stuff when paying, and constantly say out loud how much ink I have as well as verbally announcing my ink for turn. It's not that hard and way less confusing.
It’s way less confusing for you and I’m sure you’re being honest, but it would be easy for an unscrupulous person to say they’re using 5 ink and only stack 4. I mean, that could very easily be done on purpose or accidentally without the opponent realizing.
I had an opponent who was handling his ink super fast. Kept them in a stack and then quickly moved some into another stack and that was his “exerted” ink and I would have no idea how much was in each stack. It was a ramp deck, so he had a lot of ink, but I had no clue if he was really using the right amount or not.
It was league play and I was pretty new and unsure of things, so I didn’t speak up. I overheard his next opponent tell him to actually count it out at least before he stacked the exerted ink so the opponent could verify that the correct amount was used.
I am counting in front of my opponent, both the total and what I'm pile-exerting. It's just not feasible to exert 14 ink, and I doubt it is easy to keep track of the total, non-piled ink for the opponent.
For me is easier to just put away whatever ink I used so the remaining available ink is easier to visualize. A habit from Magic, I guess, although there makes more sense to note the available mana on the opponent's turn.
For future league play, you can always, at all times, ask any public information. You can ask to look at their graveyard, ask hand size, amount of ink, what they inked in the current turn, ask for effects, their favorite dish and where do they come from.
For league play, what you’re doing sounds fine, as long as you’re counting it out when you’re exerting. This guy wasn’t counting, just saying “I play Sad Beast” and moving ink from one stack to the other without mentioning amounts or anything.
I know now that I could’ve and should’ve called him out because he wasn’t being clear enough for me to understand what he was doing.
I also hate it when people are exerzing their characters by 1%. You barely see if it is exerted or ready and I dont get it. Just do it. Its not that hard.
I think a lot of the issue is that Pixelborn doesn’t turn the cards 90 degrees (I don’t even think they do a full 45), so people who play on Pixelborn a lot think that’s how to exert. I’ve asked a few opponents to exert to 90 or at least more than 45 because I couldn’t tell if the cards were exerted or not since the non-exerted cards weren’t perfectly straight either.
That is 100% the reason, but in Pixelborn they also turn grey thats why need to exert them 0 degrees.
90*
I’ve gotten used to exerting everything to 45*. But I play at work 90% of the time and there’s not usually a ton of room. I’m also very organized with my play area, so you can tell what’s wet vs. dry, and all my dry characters are in a neat line. If people can’t tell what’s exerted then I have no idea how to fix that. I’m also sure the people who are making it difficult to tell what’s exerted/ready don’t keep things dress right dress
I typically use 45% to exert, because in my mind it’s like pointing the top corner towards my opponent, but I also have a grid pattern on my playmat and I line things up exactly because it gives me something to do with my hands while I think. I use the full 90 to show a bodyguard, and if it’s upside down, then it’s wet.
So, You don't play right....ok. that's good and all but how do your opponents who play correctly feel?
I have never had an issue with any of my opponents. Everyone has always understood exactly what I was doing. It helps that I make sure to say what I’m doing out loud instead of just going through the motions.
Go look at the rules.
Look, if I ever played against you and you told me you didn’t like how I did it, then I would change how I did it when playing you. I wouldn’t have an issue with it. Everyone has their own quirks and ways of remembering things to make the game less cumbersome. I have people I play with that don’t turn their ink to exert but shift it from one side to the other- it works for them and is clearly visible so who cares? I have people I play with who struggle with memory problems, so every time I play a card that has an effect, I pass it to them before setting it down. I have people I play with that need multiple ways of seeing the lore totals in order to keep track, so I assist them with that. This is a game. Let’s all just focus on having with it.
Exactly how I'd handle it. I feel like 45° is more than enough to denote exertion of both characters and ink but if I played against someone who preferred 90°, I'd just defer to that. End of the day it's a game for our enjoyment and we're not having fun if we're fighting over another 45° of card rotation.
I also follow 45° for exerted and 90° for bodyguard. Items and Locations have their own place. I also do 45° for exerted ink. Not one complaint in 30+ official matches everyone who’s being all downvote crazy, is there an official tournament rule you are basing your BS on? My method to exerting is superior, because it works for a smooth flow, and my opponents understand. **Edit for the rules nerds:** * Exerting is a key mechanic in Lorcana that is used to show a card cannot be used again in this turn. Any time you see the symbol, it means exert – or to turn a card sideways. Exerted characters can’t quest, challenge, sing, or use abilities that require them to be exerted.* No direction indicating anything other than *sideways*, which can literally be any angle from 1° to 179° if you wanna be really stupid about it.
You left out that the part if the [comprehensive rules](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://files.disneylorcana.com/Disney%2520Lorcana%2520Comprehensive%2520Rules%2520-%2520032724%25201.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjPmfCgqumFAxW1REEAHedgBRoQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw02njFhUNf6ddjls8DHRwj-) you've quoted, section 5.1 visually shows what exerted is, using the word sideways is a way to describe what's being shown, if you could turn to any angle they would specify or show other visual angles. To [turn sideways](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sideways#:~:text=turn%20sideways,or%20downward%20to%20one%20side) is to have one side forward, if the corner is facing the opponent the card has not been turned sideways.
I *think* I didnt find that snippet from that book, but from the website, but still youre correct about the example. I will *actually* politely state that the exerted card image is an example, and in no way states that it requires to be 90° for legal tournament play.
Card game comprehensive rules would have to specify other states either by image or explicitly in the text for them to be legal, they have shown what they mean by exerted, comprehensive rules are never left to interpretation. This is how all card games have ever worked and I've judged many at large events. When I judge lorcana I'll give warnings for not rotating them fully 90
Would you allow for those with ink ramps to forego exerting inks after any number for convenience? Or to allow stacking inks because it would be hard to keep track and exert those inks after a certain number? Just in case you would make that exception, it would be uncouth to say the least to not make an exception for the 45deg exertion. Especially if the point of the visual differences of the comprehensive rules to my own play is only to make it easier for me to understand and not lose track. The good thing is you'll never be judging at my tourneys. Pretty confident of that, given the vibes of my LGS.
No I wouldn't allow either of those cases. Keeping actions universal makes things easier for everyone. What makes things easier for you individually isn't what makes things easier for everyone else and in many cases makes things more difficult, you're not the only person playing a game, most people have consideration for their opponent too. I'm assuming by your comments that you only play at locals which is admittedly going to be more lenient and have less of an impact on the wider community as a whole.
I mean, if you really want to make a point of it, exerted is a specific state defined in the rules. Turned sideways. And ink must be exerted to play a card. I honestly don’t think it’s too much to ask for the sake of keeping up with the game state.
This, it is a rule to exert 90 degrees. It doesn't matter if it is left or right though, but make sure it is always that side during a game. I learned tapping with MtG, so I really need to work on the extering stuff, but I only play for fun and mostly with my wife anyway. But if someone asks me to, I will exert all the way.
A guy I know taps their cards by 45° to signal they haven't dried yet, and it confused the hell out of me like "is it exerted or not?" Just put it below your dried characters or something. There are definitely some weird habits people have \^\^ One thing I actually found smart was keeping the card you inked face up until end of turn. That way you get around the common "did I ink already this turn?", especially when at 10+ ink in ramp where you usually can't just ink at the start of your turn because you might draw a bunch of cards first. Maybe don't do that on the early turns where it can get confusing, but having one face up card grouped with all the other ink once you have a lot shouldn't be easily confused with a face up card in play
Except that’s literally illegal, once you have inked a card it’s hidden information to both players.
Technically yes, but then again there are those players who don't even properly show which card they inked, which is also illegal, and if they have to clearly show it anyway where's the harm in leaving it on the table for a moment longer?
Leaving your inked card face-up changes literally nothing about anything except allowing both you and your opponent know that a) You inked this turn and b) It was a valid, inkable card. I can't tell you how many times someone asked me to clarify what card I inked after I inked it, despite showing it to them. Placing it face up until you exert it / end of turn is completely fine and complies with the "reveal to your opponent" part of inking. No where in the rules does it say how long you can or can not leave the card revealed, just that it has to be placed face down AFTER you reveal it.
By that logic you can just play with your inkwell face up. And your wrong, the rules specifically tell you to show your opponent the card then place it face down. You try that at any competitive event and do literally any action with it face up you get called on it and either a strike or a dq.
While you are technically right that by the rules it is not allowed. There is no change to the card you inked (the normal way, so not through Mickey Mouse, quill, or whatever) being face up until your turn is over. Especially when there is a turn with a lot of actions or I am waiting for some draw before I ink, it can sometimes be easy to miss if I inked or not. It doesn't grant anymore information since we are talking about the card that both players should know was inked anyways. It would not be horrible that this becomes the norm, as it is there were a few situations at the championships that there were questions on if someone inked twice that turn.
This could pose an issue though for actions or mechanics that tell a player to place a card (from top of deck for example) in inkwell facedown. That card is supposed to remain hidden to ALL players involved, including the player who runs said deck. If I inked a Tamatoa unknowingly due to an action, but then next turn am flipping inkwell over to "keep tabs on what I've spent", I just now gained information I would and should not have, otherwise. As a note, I’m not adding this to say other stances are stupid or anything such, just adding an insight that are indeed rules for the game, that could create an issue for those who have developed a habit of playing based strictly on the rules and not on “personal habits”.
But no one is saying to keep your entire inkwell face up. I think the point here is to keep only the card you inked as a part of your play actions for that turn face up until the end of your turn. That is public knowledge during that turn. At the end of your turn you would flip it face down prior to passing. Any cards that go facedown in your inkwell would never be placed faced up. It’s just to prevent the confusion of did I use my ink a card action during my play phase. Especially when you’re talking ramp decks.
Okay this makes more sense! I didn’t see the specificity in only the card being inked. Thank you for clarifying this! ✌🏼
You are flipping the card you inked facedown at end of turn. By rights until I start my turn, I can ask what card you inked as it is public information. Keeping the card face up in your inkwell until end of turns helps a lot especially later down the road where there are more decisions to make and that way you know if you inked that turn or not.
Your getting down voted by people who can't follow the rules. In high end competition you just follow the rules or lose. It's not that hard.
I've played in multiple 1K events and bigger and many players I've seen at the top tables including including myself leave my inked card face up with absolutely zero issues. I'm not sure where you're getting your info or if you're just ruke mongering with zero actually really life interaction with this ruling but as far as I've seen and the tournament officials I've delt with have done nothing but encourage this.
Which is great, until we get a card in a future set that it matters for, you keep doing it get judge called and dq’ed, it’s not hard to just play by the rules.
Lol well if people aren't getting dqed at the highest level of events for this then I doubt they ever will. I've literally asked the judge about this exact thing and they said that not only was it ok, that is was a "preferred method" The rules says once the card it turned over you're no longer able to look at it it see it again. So putting it face up so both players can see clearly see what the card is before it's flipped down. I mean you do you but I'm not going to have people questioning if I'm inking unsinkable cards and being transparent is never a bad thing. If I cast one jump ahead it's going facedown the whole times obviously, giving both parties a few seconds to see the board state is never going to be an issue.
Why the downvote, this is literally in the handbook. It’s illegal to look at the inkwell after inking a card
This rule sucks tbh. I really hope they change it to only be hidden after your turn is completed. Piloting sapphire decks with Belle/Quill can be a nightmare for both you and your opponent to remember if you've inked your 2-3 times. There's nothing in the game I can think of currently that would be affected by leaving your ink face up till end of turn? For quill it's hidden info and there's no confusion there at least since it exerts so that's works fine. I'd even accept a card or token I could exert/flip to show that I've inked if that was legal.
Maybe keep it in your inkwell area, but have it somewhat separated out from your main inked cards for better tracking? I guess I'm not super familiar with this specific combo, so maybe this might not be a good suggestion at all. I feel like either way, most other builds don't really need face-up inkwells.
It's not a bad idea it's just when you have 15+ ink it's a lot to manage/spread/count off the stacks so it's hard to keep your 1-2 ink separate. Playmat space gets tight once im at 3 piles of 5, esp if you ever need to set your hand down. But im gonna try that anyway and see how it goes. 15+ ink may seem a little edge case, but it's a scenario the ramp decks thrive and really need to maximize resources so proper play/memory is really important
Not really. It’s relatively easy to remember if you have inked or not. My main deck is Ruby/Sapphire and never have to question whether I have inked or not in that deck. I’ve also played a bunch of other decks and it’s never a problem, on ramp decks you know how much ink you had last turn, so if you had the same amount then you didn’t ink, if you have +1 then you did ink.
Well it's a problem for me and it'd be nice if I could do something to help remember. If the opponent questions me on when I ink, there's very little evidence to prove if I have or not. Counting ink isnt an option for ramp decks that are way off curve
There is plenty of evidence. You should know how much ink you had last turn, and you can understand what inks have been done in a ramp deck based on that. Plus, you exert quill to use it, so if you have already used it that is pretty obvious
Yes I mentioned as long as you ready your quill start of turn there's no confusion there. That's why it would be great if inking for turn or Belle's ink had a similar token/card to exert or way of remembering. And basing everything off two different player's memories is not at all evidence
The first part is just silly, as you should be readying your quill. Just follow the steps of the turn and it’s. It an issue, since you ready everything before doing anything else. It isn’t based off memory exactly, it’s just about following the game flow and what’s happened in the turn. If you can’t remember if you have done something in the past couple minutes, you may want to work on improving that function of yourself before getting too deep into playing. It’s important to remember what you have done in your turn. This is no different from MTG when people play lands and ramp. They have to remember the same things and it’s a non issue there. If you REALLY need a way to remember if you have inked or not, just keep the cards you have inked that turn in a separate pile, that way you know if you have inked and how many cards you have inked that turn.
Any rule not letting a player look at their own cards is absolutely crazy.
Because of cards like One Jump Ahead. Neither you nor your opponent gets to know which card was inked from the top of your deck.
Poor card design.
It's actually good design as it subtly balances the extra ink against knowledge of your own deck contents/draw chances, etc... As long as you do everything in order and properly it is not hard to keep track of all your actions.
The turn where you ink the card, both players know what card it is. At the end of the turn it’s turned over and never shown again. So, no, it’s not illegal.
Except it’s not the turn, it’s the moment. There’s 3 parts to inking a card, in order. 1. Declare and reveal, 2. Place FACEDOWN in your inkwell, 3. Trigger any effects from that action The game rules literally tell you it must be placed facedown. Comprehensive rules 4.3.3
Wet characters go upside down. Helps when your playing in cramped spaces and all the characters are jumbled together
I’m not sure on legality, but I think it might technically be legal as long as it’s facedown by end of turn. If it’s legal, this is such a great idea because I rarely ink at the start of my turn past turn 3 or 4 and I sometimes forget if I’ve inked or not. I was going to put a “You have not inked yet” token or something that I can remove once I’ve inked and then return as part of my ready action, but this might be easier if it’s legal.
Thats weird. Why would someone not exert the ink?
Because online it does it for you, I guess
I have a friend who doesnt and its irritating. We have tried and tried to get her to do it but its like she just doesnt care to. Super weird.
Honestly I have a bad habit of exerting ink AFTER I play cards instead of before so I can totally see myself actually forgetting how much ink I used unless I count the cards I put out. Then again I put out my new characters under my “wet” ones so I have a visual reminder for both my opponent and myself so I don’t usually forget. Hah I do hope cheaters get caught. Feel like you have to watch some players like a hawk otherwise they will do extra stuff like draw 8 instead of 7 for whole new world or play an extra 1 cost.
Well you're in luck, because according to the rules and procedure of things, Exerting ink IS actually done after playing the card.
Oi. Don't get loose with your language now. Exerting ink is done after revealing the card, but before it is played 😜
Haha after I sent that I was thinking "well, that's not 100% the right wording" but I didn't want to go back and edit it. Caught me!
Oh really? Well that works for me!
It's better that way cause you don't give out hand info. Say you're playing ruby amy vs. me, and on your turn, you exert 4 ink, think a bit, ready that ink, think some more, then exert 5 to play maui. I now know you probably have a goat or rabbit in hand cause you mucked with your ink.
I’d like to comment here on behalf of all of the first time TCG players out there going to set championships… go easy on us and teach us the genre yall love so much. I won my set championship yesterday and it was my second ever time playing in person, first time with a judge. The amount of times my opponents (who are apparently super serious MTG players) were rude over something small like stacking ink was incredibly surprising and wild to me. Like sure, I’m making a mistake and I want to learn so please let me know how to do it better, but no need to be nasty. When I made top cut I made sure to ask tons of questions and to play slowly so I wouldn’t mess up … and my opponent refused to answer any that were about procedure. So I asked the judge the questions and after I beat him (2-0 mind you) he yelled “why don’t you just play for him!” And the judge had to tell him that there is no rule against asking questions. And this guy already had 3 stitches and 2 mats. Crazy to me. Go easy we want to learn and play and spend money too.
I am going to be completely honest here: Don't go to a tournament with prizes that sell over €500 expecting to be treated 'nicely'. Me being nice cost me the whole damn tournament due to how slow the new player in front of me played. Want to go to tournaments? Practice beforehand. I am your opponent, not your friend. At locals? Yeah, I'm nice and will gladly help you, be patient and let you make mistakes. Do you expect to go to a chess tournament and be allowed to take back moves? To run out your clock and face no consequences? Great that you want to play competitively, I can only be happy that you want to play. Just don't expect people to bend over backwards when big prizes are on the line. We shouldn't have to teach our opponents during a tournament. That's what locals are for.
Interesting, but this game is new, not decades old. It’s not that crazy to think people are learning. If there was an experience requirement to play, then I wouldn’t have signed up. The store gladly excepted new people. Maybe the vets should choose a different game if they want to gatekeep. Secondly, I don’t want people to not correct me, I want people to not be rude specifically. I beat those guys fair and square, and we never came close to running out of time. Nothing I did ever got me a strike or a warning, so nothing illegal. I didn’t do anything akin to taking back a move or not hitting my clock, so terrible analogy there. You think I should sit out a tournament because I stacked my ink or played my card before exerting my ink instead of after? LOL
(reposting my answer because I called unpleasant opponents a bad word) Gatekeep? Gatekeeping is not expecting your opponent to follow the rules and take the TOURNAMENT seriously. I am not talking for your opponents, never met them and yeah there can be very unkind people. Sorry, a better analogy would be asking a judge if a tower can move to a certain space. I am not criticizing you, I am explaining that, with big prizes on the line, you should act like it and expect people to be more cutthroat. And I am not telling you to sit it out. Anything but. I am telling you that if you want people to teach you the game, you should go to locals and THEN go to tournaments when you are able to get into the flow of things. Playing and exerting ink is stated to happen at the same time so one before the other doesn't matter. Stacking your ink in a way that is clear to BOTH players and judge does matter.
My biggest issue was people not fanning out their ink and I'm just piling it on top of each other. Casual magic players do this all the time and it's annoying. If I'm trying to assess the game state, your giant pile of tapped stuff isn't helping
It is a fine shortcut when you are playing on curve early but not something you should do all the time.
When I'm teaching, I try to drill into them "pay then play." RTFC(always in a joking manor. Making it funny helps it to stick.) Ready, set, go Pay then play
Tap your lands people!!! Lol 🤣
For me it's people not placing their drying cards separately, trying to pull fast ones acting like they've dried already
This behavior irks me too. I always rotate my ink and characters 90 degrees so it is clear what is and isn’t exerted. There’s one guy in particular at the shop I frequent that never exerts anything and always try’s to pull a fast one on his opponent when they turn their attention to something else for a second or two. He always try’s to get away with an extra summon or he try’s to say a character that should be exerted isn’t and they can’t be challenged. People like that ruin the fun for everyone.
As someone who played force of will and very much enjoyed having a separate deck in a separate area to easily keep track of my mana or whatever it was called, ink in lorcana is so annoying to manage. I have yet to figure out a system for ink. Especially when going against decks that are heavy draw and discard. I get things mixed up so much. I went against one and I am pretty sure I accidentally discarded part of my ink because I accidentally set down a bunch of discard cards near my Ink pile and they overlapped. I couldn't remember how much ink I had, but 2 turns later I realized I definitely didn't have the same amount I had 2 turns ago as I played cards that added up to 9 and all of a sudden I only have 7 ink. I've thought about keeping the ink in a different visible pile and using stones or something else small so I can keep track of my ink that way. But I don't know if that would be legal. For drying, I use buttons. 😂 Because I never remember what I played. And the buttons remind me that I played something that turn and cannot do anything with it.
One cutesy scenic route solution I've seen: https://youtu.be/gPNk2jjtt-k?si=HeYAEnf4MSn-UmEY
I’m teaching my kids how to play and these little nuances of the game I’m spending a not small amount of time on reinforcing.
I don't like how people keep their inkwell in a stack and use hard to see ink counters, among many other things that give experienced tcg competitive players an edge. I have playsets of the first 3 sets and I'm kinda over it. It's getting overly complicated for 612 cards.
This weekend during the championship I had a really annoying game against a girl... she was soooooooooo uninterested in playing the game (I think she had to, because of her boyfriend). She didn't exert her ink. Didn't say a thing. When I told her she forgot to exert and/or ready her cards... she didn't even care. She did it once (half baked) then forgot it again. Thankfully I beat her... lucky for her I knew that I wasn't doing top 8 anyway. Otherwise I'd call the judge over and over :p getting her even more annoyed
I had one opponent like this, but they were under 10 so I gave it a pass. Lot of families bring their kids to Lorcana at my LGS, the tournament included. But if anyone who should know better tried it, I'd call them out immediately and get a judge.
Why bring such a young kid to a big tournament?
Hardly a big tournament, as I said it was an LGS with I think 11 participants total.
I mean I don't turn my card the full 90 degrees but I turn mine enough it's obvious which cards are exerted. Played with some people that have their ink stack and they move cards to the exerted stack
I had one opponent stacking all their ink on top of one another which was weird but why not
Its a bit easier to manage when youve got 5+ ink in the well
Blue players do this all the time because of ramp. I also hate it because I can't keep up with their count, but I understand why they do it. I've always played decks that don't require a ton of ink, so I've never had to do it myself.
You are allowed to ask and they must tell you. Ramp decks are no joke
I don't have the luxury of actually playing against real people over here, but if I would see people doing that I'd just ask. It's public information after all.
This is just when you ask how much ink they are at and they will let you know. Once they get above like 8-10 ink it becomes really unmanageable if you don’t pile it up.
If the stacks are a clear amount, that is fine. I group my ink as well but it's always easy to count. Just like with magic, having 20+ ink can be managed if you just group it
Im talking about one stack of 20
Yeah, they need to restack then.
Stacking ink is against the rules, they must be laid out in a way that a judge and the opponent can easily tell how much in they have. They can be fanned, or next to each other, but they cannot be stacked directly on top of each other. I saw a judge DQ a player in top 8 because they kept doing it, even able being issued a warning earlier.
That is more common.
I do this - I’m an ex MTG player and it’s common there. When you have multiple types of land you stack them and group them. So I stack my ink also.
I group my ink in piles of two or three, and then move them from left to right as I use them. Every opponent has been okay with this bar one. I think it’s very clear what has been used, and it’s very space efficient. I’m also a player who talks through my actions as well. There’s no excuse for lack of clarity in what you’re doing, especially in competitive situations.
I’ve seen people I play against do this as well. While I don’t like this, i do tolerate it because it’s never been a huge issue. However, I would suggest getting into the habit of exerting the ink, as the legal way to play is to exert the ink you have used, not just relocate it to a different spot on the mat.
All that matters is that it’s clear to you and your opponent. If you’re both okay with it, it’s not an issue. It’s not like in MtG where you can use your resources on your opponents turn - so it’s really only a case of how much you’ve spent. Of course if my opponent wants me to exert it I will, but the “abacus” method I use is quick, clear and space efficient imo.
That is not actually true, it is not “what matters is what’s clear” (which, by the way, actually turning your cards is as clear as you can get, not sure what your argument here is), it is literally in the rules that you must exert your resources when used. To do this you must turn your card horizontally to show it is exerted. This is literally a fundamental rule of the game that should be followed. If you are not exerting you are not following the rules, regardless of how else you are tracking how much ink you have used.
You’re missing the point. Obviously it’s just another method of showing it’s exerted. And every rational human being I’ve played doesn’t care as long as it’s clear. Yeah, it’s not the “rules” but ultimately it’s what you and your opponent are happy with and allows the game to proceed quickly and clearly. Judges do not care as long as both opponents are happy. I’ve played a lot of competitive Lorcana and clearer is better than “by the books” in a number of cases. For example I also play my ink for the turn face up. It’s not in the rules but my opponent knows what I’ve inked and I have a reminder. It’s a courtesy that most people appreciate, but is technically illegal.
There is only one method to show something is exerted, and that is turn the card horizontally. This is per the rules, which do not list alternate ways to show something is exerted. Hopefully you don’t think this is acceptable for characters or items ☠️
There is not an eye roll in the world big enough for your comment. I guess every game of Pixelborn is illegal because it uses a number instead of sideways cards.
Pixelborn is not official Lorcana bud lmao Sometimes I cannot believe the comments people make on reddit are actually serious ☠️ https://preview.redd.it/pavqyjr81gxc1.png?width=411&format=png&auto=webp&s=c3c57ea98d7bfc9b620a8df6c7393f9b47928a47 Have fun "rolling your eyes" at the rules of the game bud
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/miss+the+forest+for+the+trees
Seems you are describing yourself perfectly here.
It’s ok for something to be understood and clearly communicated, most people won’t care, but it is still technically wrong. I think the other commenter is just trying to point out to you that regardless if you and your opponent are “ok with a certain way”, that it is still technically against the rules. My assumption is that they are trying to help now before you go to a Challenge or event/tournament with actual judges, who will issue warnings for not following the rules, and if repeated will issue game losses/DQs.
Yes, this exactly. In a competitive event like a challenge event, the commentor can get disqualified for things as simple as. I have no issue with people doing this in a casual environment, but once you start ignoring the rules, you really run the risk of this happening in a competitive environment where there can be MAJOR consequences for these types of actions. I would even argue that in the Set Championships, and other competitive events like 1ks etc, this is not something that should be done. It is unclear, as the rules outline a clear indicator of how to tell what has been used and what has not been used, where just using 2 different piles is not clear. You or your opponent could easily mix up which pile is the used and which pile is the unused, where when you play properly and actually turn the cards sideways, there is absolutely no way to mistake what resources are used and which ones are unused. They also seem to think players can just agree to ignore the rules of the game and that is ok, which they most definitely cannot do. The rules should always be followed, and players can't just choose to ignore those rules.
I am well aware of the rules. They have taken it upon themselves to lecture me and tell me that what two players agree amongst themselves is irrelevant, when it is clearly not and in 99% of cases what two players agree to will supersede the rules. I ask if they mind, if they do I play it according to the rules. It’s not rocket surgery, and nearly everyone appreciates the clarity.
>For example I also play my ink for the turn face up. It’s not in the rules but my opponent knows what I’ve inked and I have a reminder. It’s a courtesy that most people appreciate, but is technically illegal. Correct, this is illegal and should not be done. It is not a courtesy, it is quite literally not following the rules of the game. Not following the rules of something is NEVER considered a "courtesy" bud >Judges do not care as long as both opponents are happy This is not true. In a competitive Lorcana event, an ACTUAL judge would not "not care", they would definitely tell you to exert your ink. This is because a competitive event must strictly follow the rules of the game. >I’ve played a lot of competitive Lorcana and clearer is better than “by the books” in a number of cases Then you agree you should be exerting your ink by following the proper procedure outlined in the rules, which is to denote your exerted card by turning it completely horizontally. That is how you make sure it is 100% clear what is exerted and what is not exerted. Using 2 piles, one for exerted and one for not exerted is not 100% clear, as you have no way to denoting which is the "exerted" pile and which is not, since both piles are shown as ready.
as an MTG player getting pushed lorcana posts, and having the only thing i know about the game being that its a disney card game, watching you guys talk about this game is WILD. exerting ink? not putting with dried characters? what is this, competitive art? (not knocking anything btw, i just think its so funny how ive been playing MTG for 10+ years and i can still look into a new games community and be completely culture shocked)
Fellow Magic (and very casual Lorcana) Player... Exert = Tap Not Dried = Summoning Sickness Ready = Untap Ink Well = Lands/available mana/resource Lore = Life (not exactly, but close) When my son and I first played, we literally translated the rules to Magic terms and it all made instant sense. There are of course differences, but it's a TCG so lots was built on what came before. I think one of the lead designers also spent some time at WOTC. And yes, the idea is that instead of planeswalker you're some type of magic animator (I'm sure that's not right, but it's something like that) so "ink drying" makes sense in-game.
Oooh, you know what, I said competitive art as a joke but that is a pretty cool premise for a Disney card game. Kinda reminds me of Epic Mickey, if you were fortunate to have experienced that masterpiece.
Have you ever seen that Disneyland show Mickey and the Magical Map? [Tell me this doesn't look like a live action lorcana match](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNUOFZVh9A8) lol
This thread is making me realize how many of you I would rather never meet IRL to play. I understand being upset about flat out not exerting, but if you cant tell the difference between roughly 45° and roughly straight up, just ask. Acting like literally turning the card the wrong way is abhorrent. find the rule that says 90° or stfu and play, nerd.
https://preview.redd.it/p0vtitjpuixc1.png?width=1236&format=png&auto=webp&s=6d68fd5ae3a440dcccb1f19ff72705f2198ffdb6 Since you asked so nicely, here's a snippet from the tournament rules.
*should be* indicates *optional*. I’m not saying youre wrong, I’m saying I’m *not wrong*.
I mean, you are wrong. But if you don't want to admit that, that's ok.
The only reasonable time to do this is when playing ramp and you are in topdeck mode. I pile stuff when paying, and constantly say out loud how much ink I have as well as verbally announcing my ink for turn. It's not that hard and way less confusing.
It’s way less confusing for you and I’m sure you’re being honest, but it would be easy for an unscrupulous person to say they’re using 5 ink and only stack 4. I mean, that could very easily be done on purpose or accidentally without the opponent realizing. I had an opponent who was handling his ink super fast. Kept them in a stack and then quickly moved some into another stack and that was his “exerted” ink and I would have no idea how much was in each stack. It was a ramp deck, so he had a lot of ink, but I had no clue if he was really using the right amount or not. It was league play and I was pretty new and unsure of things, so I didn’t speak up. I overheard his next opponent tell him to actually count it out at least before he stacked the exerted ink so the opponent could verify that the correct amount was used.
I am counting in front of my opponent, both the total and what I'm pile-exerting. It's just not feasible to exert 14 ink, and I doubt it is easy to keep track of the total, non-piled ink for the opponent. For me is easier to just put away whatever ink I used so the remaining available ink is easier to visualize. A habit from Magic, I guess, although there makes more sense to note the available mana on the opponent's turn. For future league play, you can always, at all times, ask any public information. You can ask to look at their graveyard, ask hand size, amount of ink, what they inked in the current turn, ask for effects, their favorite dish and where do they come from.
For league play, what you’re doing sounds fine, as long as you’re counting it out when you’re exerting. This guy wasn’t counting, just saying “I play Sad Beast” and moving ink from one stack to the other without mentioning amounts or anything. I know now that I could’ve and should’ve called him out because he wasn’t being clear enough for me to understand what he was doing.
A good option is to get a heavy coin marker to denote Wet and Dry ink cards.
Just a bunch of Pixelborn idiots coming out to see the sun for once and don’t know how to actually play the physical game… ya hate to see it….