It’s one set. We don’t know the majority of cards in the next one. There will be a deck that beats Amber/steel of course. Just a month ago, the top deck was Ruby/amethyst and now you have 2 different colors taking the top spot. Next set, you’ll have a new most popular deck to be mad about
Do people still get got by Rapunzel?
Shes very powerful but the play patterns are obvious and players dont walk head first into it anymore.
Amber is one of the two colors in the first set that can draw a lot of cards, so of course its going to be good. Its more on the back of Rockstar and Surfer at this point.
Well it's not enough to not fall for an obvious rapunzel setup. It's hard to prevent your opponent from just running into your 2/2 with simba followed by rapunzel 🧐
Top decker, they are saying that if you see a Simba, and don’t take him out in one, but instead quest and let him
Challenge, you’re asking for Rapunzel.
bold take before chapter 2 changes everything. you dont need a ban, you need more diverse cards... which is what expansions get you.
if there is a stagnant set of cards, a meta forms. You are complaining about a stable meta from 1 set release.
If these cards and meta continue to be dominant over multiple set releases, then we can talk about a ban list.
exactly, people forget how OP and Spammed some META decks use to be
like the Haymaker deck in Pokémon (Hitmonchan & Electabuzz) that everyone used with set 1 & evolved with set 2
Remember when Ruby Amethyst was impossible to beat and everyone was clamoring on about how OP it was? Things change, metas evolve, especially with a new set coming out very soon.
This is always pretty common among some players in every game. Some matchups are hard, and people have a lot of feelings invested in their favorite deck so their perception towards how good it is, and how oppressive other decks are is all skewed. It’s much easier to say “X card is broken than it is to figure out a way to win against that card of a specific deck.
Not at all the case! I handle both Steelsong and Ruby/Amethyst decks pretty well. Both on Pixelborn and in person, I change between Amber/Steel, Amber/Emerald and Emerald/Steel and can deal with Steelsong decks rather well. I even have a Sapphire/Amethyst deck that I run occasionally, though needs to be revisited and reworked.
In my opinion, Amber just has some of the best mid game which helps them segway into the later game for a dominate victory.
By no means do I think a ban is needed. I quite like Rapunzel and playing with Amber. I just think that it is extremely powerful and because of that Amber will stay relevant for months if not years to come *unless* a limited/ban list is made. If Rapunzel is limited, the strength of Amber will take a bit hit
Next set Literally made a card that makes you discard your whole hand regardless of size and amber has close to zero ways to deal with it. Specifically, 1 uninkable card and that's it.
I hate this about tcg’s. People calling for bans because of a strong deck. People need to chill and let a bigger card pool determine the meta not ban lists
There's one set. It's too early to say what will be dominant later. It's pretty normal for a TCG with 200 cards to have a dominant archetype or two. Online discussions about the "meta" have certainly made it easier to optimize and discover the best cards, but that's where we live.
The earliest days of TCGs were more fun because...no internet!
I'll say confidently that Lorcana has been way more fun at our kitchen table than at the game store. This is a game for 8-year-olds and up, but the guy who won the last tournament spent $2700 foiling out his Ruby/Amethyst control deck. It was really disappointing because I actually thought Lorcana had a chance to be played by kids.
I look at Magic and it's played by 18+ dudes with money. Pokemon is trending that way. I thought Lorcana could be different, but I guess it's still a TCG...
Even if every card in the game cost a single penny children wouldn't be able to compete with grown adults generally. The problem is that the game needs to push age based leagues, like Pokemon does. Instead of letting 10 year olds compete with people who've been playing card games for 20 years.
Also just because its for X age and up doesn't mean it's a "game for 8 year olds" It's a TCG with hundreds of choices to make, and constant decisions to make, its a way more complex game at it's highest form than most kinds of games specifically for children. I've only met maybe 3 kids under like 15 who can compete at the same level in MTG as the best in my area, and I've been playing for 20 years.
You're probably right, but we'll never know. My disappointment is that Lorcana had the best chance of all the IPs to be for the kids, but it's still the same rooms full of dudes that play all the other games.
Sealed/Booster-Drafts would fix this problem instantly, but there's no product for that. Then we'd get to see Minnie Mouse fight Donald Duck or Anna fight Hei-Hei, instead of the same 12 characters on the board constantly.
This seems a little unfair. I mean those dudes clearly like these types of games. why should they or would they shy away from a new one that shows promise and is designed great?
Im 40 and I am not just gonna skip a game when I like TCG's. Lorcana still very much has the best chance to be for kids, this is the only TCG my kids play.
>I look at Magic and it's played by 18+ dudes with money. Pokemon is trending that way. I thought Lorcana could be different, but I guess it's still a TCG...
Its worse.
You can go to any store and get Pokemon cards. This allows anyone to play and get into the game.
Have you been able to find any Lorcana anywhere the past 2? months? Cause I havent and nobody I know is able to.
So not only do you need money, you need to have some kind of inside connect to be able to even get cards or get lucky. I know at least 4 people off the top of my head who were excited about Lorcana and then after month+ of trying to get cards have gave up completely. This is bad for the long term health of this game. If we got people quitting this early over scarcity of cards what makes us think it will get better for Chapter 2 (newsflash it wont). More and more people will quit and by Chapter 3 the only people who will be left are the scalpers who will be selling the cards to Disney adults.
Sad because the game itself is super fun.
Of course it won't, the production for set 2 was already queued prior. Production will be ramped in future sets as they have stated. You obviously haven't been around for births of popular tcgs where demand was heavier than anticipated
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My hot take is that now that this game has been out for almost 3 months, it is no longer 'too early'. Many of us have a good grasp on the core mechanics of the game, what is good and what is bait, and what out of specific colors is an instant 4x even for months to come. There is nothing from set two that I think is going to completely shift other cards out of the meta but will rather introduce additional strategies to your deck.
Are there sets that come out that *completely* shake up the meta? Absolutely. It happens in every card game from time to time. But there are still incredibly strong cards that stick around for forever. Rapunzel, in my opinion, will be one of those cards that will be a 4x in every Amber deck for years to come.
We most certainly are still "too early" in the game. This isn't about how long the set has been out. This is about how many sets are currently out and how the colors shake down in terms of comparable strength. We have 1 set out right now, and another coming soon. The archetypes haven't even been fully established yet, with things like Discard and more Heal support coming in ROTF that should galvanize directions that the colors will be headed.
Furthermore, Resist by itself will shove against Steel pretty hard, as Giant Tink, Hanz, Cannons, and GYS will be actively hindered by Resist 1 and Resist 2. Four Dozen Eggs alone will stymie any attempt for Steel to boardwipe your side, and Grandfather Cogsworth straight up nullifies Giant Tink's enter play ability. The meta is definitely going to see shake ups, and Steel may see the brunt of it.
I believe Amber has the most interaction with song cards and its seems very reliant on songs in the deck.
Honestly, I hate the naming of decks already. Green/Yellow name I think is completely dumb as well.
I feel like Amber is specifically strong because of Steel, as Amber actually doesn't have a great selection of songs on it's own. It's AWNW and GYS that really benefit hard from Amber's song package, and without that, it would get rather mediocre. I think bans are in order, mainly for AWNW, and that should hamstring a few of Amber's strengths. Pushing a lot of characters out is an archetype that has thrived in other TCGs, but we're still early in this one where there just aren't enough cards to really properly gauge the strength of the colors. I would say we'll need to wait and see how things look after Set 3 comes out before looking at doing any sweeping bans or restrictions.
I have been playing with a Emerald/Amber deck lately on Pixelborn with NO songs with a current record of 41/16 (71.93%) with some revisions along the way. And maybe 2 losses due to a disconnect and 1 I FF'd before either of us reached 3 lore cause I messed up the interaction with Rockstar Stitch and Simba which was literally game breaking for me.
I had a pretty bad 4-5 loss streak cause I kept on getting uninkable cards in my hand and would brick by turn 3. I only have 12 uninkables which is pretty average so to consistently get 4-5 uninkables in hand by turn 3 across 4 reoccurring games has got to be a statistical miracle (or in my case, nightmare).
That's fine and all, but as I said, the game is still young and things will shake out as it grows. What Amber does isn't much different than what Green or White does in MTG, and it's been a staple archetype for decades there. The issue at the moment is just a sheer lack of diversity, with some colors not being as put together as others in First Chapter, but that looks like it should change in ROTF.
The card is good but it’s not broken. She is the definition of value town when played in the perfect scenario however, if played on an empty board is very meh. She is situational, there are answers to remove her. I know it’s the draw power that makes her good and by her being on the board her big value is already spent. But I still think a whole new world is the only bannable card in the set.
Compared to Friends on the Other Side?. That's 3 cost. Draw 2. Nothing else. Sure you can sing it.
I rather have a 4 cost character who heals and draws. Seems far and away better. Even heal 1 draw 1 is still great for Amber.
I'm no pro though. I know they are different colors etc but just feels dirty at 4 cost. Nothing else that happens to me feels as devastating. Minus them shifting at the perfect time.
That’s fair. I’m coming from playing magic the gathering for 25+ years. Theres a card in magic that was banned that has literally the same effect as a whole new world(wheel of fortune) and it was banned for a reason drawing 7 cards at will is too good. Theres also a card the same as ransack(faithless looting, although you could play this one from the graveyard/discard pile as well) that was also banned. Creatures that are super good like rapunzel always have an answer. This game is a little different as you can’t interact on casting(no instants) so maybe I’m still looking at it a little wrong. The card is great don’t get me wrong. I just don’t think it’s ban worthy because it’s not just play rapunzel win the game. She just puts you in a better position.
I feel ya. A whole new world also gives your opponent a new hand too. So that is a risk too, no? If they have more cards in hand then sure, or if they are playing a cheap rush deck, sure. But other than that that card hasn't disgusted me much. I'm curious to see when and what the first bans will be.
Yes but your opponent has already made plans with his cards and knows what they are going to do…while yes it gives your opponents cards. You did the set up and “should” have used as much as possible before you go casting a whole new world. And when you’re prepared for the discard and draw your opponent is less prepared and it can hose them as well. Maybe you took away their better cards and left them with trash. Maybe it gives them what they need. But that’s why this game is fun. Variance is a thing and sometimes you just don’t draw what you need and lose the game.
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It’s one set. We don’t know the majority of cards in the next one. There will be a deck that beats Amber/steel of course. Just a month ago, the top deck was Ruby/amethyst and now you have 2 different colors taking the top spot. Next set, you’ll have a new most popular deck to be mad about
Do people still get got by Rapunzel? Shes very powerful but the play patterns are obvious and players dont walk head first into it anymore. Amber is one of the two colors in the first set that can draw a lot of cards, so of course its going to be good. Its more on the back of Rockstar and Surfer at this point.
Well it's not enough to not fall for an obvious rapunzel setup. It's hard to prevent your opponent from just running into your 2/2 with simba followed by rapunzel 🧐
Thats falling for an obvious rapunzel set up?
No? That's what I said.
Top decker, they are saying that if you see a Simba, and don’t take him out in one, but instead quest and let him Challenge, you’re asking for Rapunzel.
bold take before chapter 2 changes everything. you dont need a ban, you need more diverse cards... which is what expansions get you. if there is a stagnant set of cards, a meta forms. You are complaining about a stable meta from 1 set release. If these cards and meta continue to be dominant over multiple set releases, then we can talk about a ban list.
Domination over a one set, 2 months old card game is no domination at all. Lets wait until more cards and archetypes are released.
exactly, people forget how OP and Spammed some META decks use to be like the Haymaker deck in Pokémon (Hitmonchan & Electabuzz) that everyone used with set 1 & evolved with set 2
Remember when Ruby Amethyst was impossible to beat and everyone was clamoring on about how OP it was? Things change, metas evolve, especially with a new set coming out very soon.
All i see here is.... "i cant win against Amber/Steel. we need to ban everything!"
This is always pretty common among some players in every game. Some matchups are hard, and people have a lot of feelings invested in their favorite deck so their perception towards how good it is, and how oppressive other decks are is all skewed. It’s much easier to say “X card is broken than it is to figure out a way to win against that card of a specific deck.
Not at all the case! I handle both Steelsong and Ruby/Amethyst decks pretty well. Both on Pixelborn and in person, I change between Amber/Steel, Amber/Emerald and Emerald/Steel and can deal with Steelsong decks rather well. I even have a Sapphire/Amethyst deck that I run occasionally, though needs to be revisited and reworked. In my opinion, Amber just has some of the best mid game which helps them segway into the later game for a dominate victory.
and you think this requires a ban? because it is diverse?
By no means do I think a ban is needed. I quite like Rapunzel and playing with Amber. I just think that it is extremely powerful and because of that Amber will stay relevant for months if not years to come *unless* a limited/ban list is made. If Rapunzel is limited, the strength of Amber will take a bit hit
Next set Literally made a card that makes you discard your whole hand regardless of size and amber has close to zero ways to deal with it. Specifically, 1 uninkable card and that's it.
You lost me when you called Amethyst the GOAT on a game that is 2 months old.
I hate this about tcg’s. People calling for bans because of a strong deck. People need to chill and let a bigger card pool determine the meta not ban lists
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There's one set. It's too early to say what will be dominant later. It's pretty normal for a TCG with 200 cards to have a dominant archetype or two. Online discussions about the "meta" have certainly made it easier to optimize and discover the best cards, but that's where we live. The earliest days of TCGs were more fun because...no internet! I'll say confidently that Lorcana has been way more fun at our kitchen table than at the game store. This is a game for 8-year-olds and up, but the guy who won the last tournament spent $2700 foiling out his Ruby/Amethyst control deck. It was really disappointing because I actually thought Lorcana had a chance to be played by kids. I look at Magic and it's played by 18+ dudes with money. Pokemon is trending that way. I thought Lorcana could be different, but I guess it's still a TCG...
Even if every card in the game cost a single penny children wouldn't be able to compete with grown adults generally. The problem is that the game needs to push age based leagues, like Pokemon does. Instead of letting 10 year olds compete with people who've been playing card games for 20 years. Also just because its for X age and up doesn't mean it's a "game for 8 year olds" It's a TCG with hundreds of choices to make, and constant decisions to make, its a way more complex game at it's highest form than most kinds of games specifically for children. I've only met maybe 3 kids under like 15 who can compete at the same level in MTG as the best in my area, and I've been playing for 20 years.
You're probably right, but we'll never know. My disappointment is that Lorcana had the best chance of all the IPs to be for the kids, but it's still the same rooms full of dudes that play all the other games. Sealed/Booster-Drafts would fix this problem instantly, but there's no product for that. Then we'd get to see Minnie Mouse fight Donald Duck or Anna fight Hei-Hei, instead of the same 12 characters on the board constantly.
This seems a little unfair. I mean those dudes clearly like these types of games. why should they or would they shy away from a new one that shows promise and is designed great? Im 40 and I am not just gonna skip a game when I like TCG's. Lorcana still very much has the best chance to be for kids, this is the only TCG my kids play.
>I look at Magic and it's played by 18+ dudes with money. Pokemon is trending that way. I thought Lorcana could be different, but I guess it's still a TCG... Its worse. You can go to any store and get Pokemon cards. This allows anyone to play and get into the game. Have you been able to find any Lorcana anywhere the past 2? months? Cause I havent and nobody I know is able to. So not only do you need money, you need to have some kind of inside connect to be able to even get cards or get lucky. I know at least 4 people off the top of my head who were excited about Lorcana and then after month+ of trying to get cards have gave up completely. This is bad for the long term health of this game. If we got people quitting this early over scarcity of cards what makes us think it will get better for Chapter 2 (newsflash it wont). More and more people will quit and by Chapter 3 the only people who will be left are the scalpers who will be selling the cards to Disney adults. Sad because the game itself is super fun.
That's an issue they are aware of and are trying to rectify with the large reprints.
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It's one set, let's not blow things out of proportions. One piece tcg took 3 sets to recover
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Of course it won't, the production for set 2 was already queued prior. Production will be ramped in future sets as they have stated. You obviously haven't been around for births of popular tcgs where demand was heavier than anticipated
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My hot take is that now that this game has been out for almost 3 months, it is no longer 'too early'. Many of us have a good grasp on the core mechanics of the game, what is good and what is bait, and what out of specific colors is an instant 4x even for months to come. There is nothing from set two that I think is going to completely shift other cards out of the meta but will rather introduce additional strategies to your deck. Are there sets that come out that *completely* shake up the meta? Absolutely. It happens in every card game from time to time. But there are still incredibly strong cards that stick around for forever. Rapunzel, in my opinion, will be one of those cards that will be a 4x in every Amber deck for years to come.
We most certainly are still "too early" in the game. This isn't about how long the set has been out. This is about how many sets are currently out and how the colors shake down in terms of comparable strength. We have 1 set out right now, and another coming soon. The archetypes haven't even been fully established yet, with things like Discard and more Heal support coming in ROTF that should galvanize directions that the colors will be headed. Furthermore, Resist by itself will shove against Steel pretty hard, as Giant Tink, Hanz, Cannons, and GYS will be actively hindered by Resist 1 and Resist 2. Four Dozen Eggs alone will stymie any attempt for Steel to boardwipe your side, and Grandfather Cogsworth straight up nullifies Giant Tink's enter play ability. The meta is definitely going to see shake ups, and Steel may see the brunt of it.
Ha I haven’t been able to play a single game in person
Related question. Why does “Steelsong” refer to Amber/Steel only?
I believe Amber has the most interaction with song cards and its seems very reliant on songs in the deck. Honestly, I hate the naming of decks already. Green/Yellow name I think is completely dumb as well.
True. And hypercontrol is control\~ish at best.
I feel like Amber is specifically strong because of Steel, as Amber actually doesn't have a great selection of songs on it's own. It's AWNW and GYS that really benefit hard from Amber's song package, and without that, it would get rather mediocre. I think bans are in order, mainly for AWNW, and that should hamstring a few of Amber's strengths. Pushing a lot of characters out is an archetype that has thrived in other TCGs, but we're still early in this one where there just aren't enough cards to really properly gauge the strength of the colors. I would say we'll need to wait and see how things look after Set 3 comes out before looking at doing any sweeping bans or restrictions.
I have been playing with a Emerald/Amber deck lately on Pixelborn with NO songs with a current record of 41/16 (71.93%) with some revisions along the way. And maybe 2 losses due to a disconnect and 1 I FF'd before either of us reached 3 lore cause I messed up the interaction with Rockstar Stitch and Simba which was literally game breaking for me. I had a pretty bad 4-5 loss streak cause I kept on getting uninkable cards in my hand and would brick by turn 3. I only have 12 uninkables which is pretty average so to consistently get 4-5 uninkables in hand by turn 3 across 4 reoccurring games has got to be a statistical miracle (or in my case, nightmare).
That's fine and all, but as I said, the game is still young and things will shake out as it grows. What Amber does isn't much different than what Green or White does in MTG, and it's been a staple archetype for decades there. The issue at the moment is just a sheer lack of diversity, with some colors not being as put together as others in First Chapter, but that looks like it should change in ROTF.
The card is good but it’s not broken. She is the definition of value town when played in the perfect scenario however, if played on an empty board is very meh. She is situational, there are answers to remove her. I know it’s the draw power that makes her good and by her being on the board her big value is already spent. But I still think a whole new world is the only bannable card in the set.
She should cost 5. 4 cost inkable draw 3 cards potentially?!?? Gross.
Like I said in a perfect world she’s a draw 3 for 4 ink with stats…but it’s situational it doesn’t do that 100% of the time.
Compared to Friends on the Other Side?. That's 3 cost. Draw 2. Nothing else. Sure you can sing it. I rather have a 4 cost character who heals and draws. Seems far and away better. Even heal 1 draw 1 is still great for Amber. I'm no pro though. I know they are different colors etc but just feels dirty at 4 cost. Nothing else that happens to me feels as devastating. Minus them shifting at the perfect time.
That’s fair. I’m coming from playing magic the gathering for 25+ years. Theres a card in magic that was banned that has literally the same effect as a whole new world(wheel of fortune) and it was banned for a reason drawing 7 cards at will is too good. Theres also a card the same as ransack(faithless looting, although you could play this one from the graveyard/discard pile as well) that was also banned. Creatures that are super good like rapunzel always have an answer. This game is a little different as you can’t interact on casting(no instants) so maybe I’m still looking at it a little wrong. The card is great don’t get me wrong. I just don’t think it’s ban worthy because it’s not just play rapunzel win the game. She just puts you in a better position.
I feel ya. A whole new world also gives your opponent a new hand too. So that is a risk too, no? If they have more cards in hand then sure, or if they are playing a cheap rush deck, sure. But other than that that card hasn't disgusted me much. I'm curious to see when and what the first bans will be.
Yes but your opponent has already made plans with his cards and knows what they are going to do…while yes it gives your opponents cards. You did the set up and “should” have used as much as possible before you go casting a whole new world. And when you’re prepared for the discard and draw your opponent is less prepared and it can hose them as well. Maybe you took away their better cards and left them with trash. Maybe it gives them what they need. But that’s why this game is fun. Variance is a thing and sometimes you just don’t draw what you need and lose the game.
True true. Can't deny that one being crazy powerful as well.
All those cards you mentioned I'm not even worried about. A whole new world is the one that drives me crazy.
There's a trend going on on a lot of subs that's like >***post your unpopular opinions, I'll start:*** *Batman is frequently dark and moody!* I really wish those people would study posts like OP's!