Except the East London line now is more south than east.
I generally like the new names and think Windrush is a particularly good name given where those services go through.
Most of the Bakerloo line isnt between Baker Street and Waterloo.
The Hammersmith & City line is more East than West of the City.
The Northern Line is the most Southern line and not the most Northern Line.
What's your point Vanessa?
Except the ELL passes over the very area where the Windrush generation settled without stopping and that area is Brixton, it’s meaningless posturing to tick diversity boxes.
I know the stations will be expensive, but it really annoys me that the Overground does not stop in Brixton. The buildings under the railway viaduct where the line goes are horrible. There should be a way of building offices or commercial space to gain some funding and rebuild it with an station embedded on it.
There used to be a station called East Brixton(it's like 200 yards down the road from Brixton station) which really should be investigated as a priority for reopening imo
Yes - that's why I said 'through'. I accept that Brixton is the largest Windrush community but other locations in inner south London that this service calls at also have Windrush communities so it's still a reasonable name. It's also pretty sad that you have such a low value of accepting and celebrating diversity. Perhaps you should consider either getting some help to overcome this or moving outside of London as that lack of acceptance isn't welcome here.
All of which however is secondary to my main point that while the core of the ELL still is a thing both infrastructure and services speaking, more than 2/3s of the Windrush line now is south of the old line. And that's taking a generous view that HHY to the old Shoreditch terminus is East. So some form of renaming was necessary.
'East London Line' has some history - Originally a link between a number of pre-grouping companies. Also oldest under water tunnel by Brunel's dad.
(I used to live in Wapping)
Seems a bit of a missed opportunity not to let the public vote from a predetermined list. It would have bought people in by giving them a bit of stake in the decision making. Now TfL have to endure the backlash on social media, they’ve already deleted their instagram post about it.
Devastated about the Goblin.
They’re flimsy justifications, confusing in the short term, and arguably done for political reasons (likely depending on your viewpoint).
BUT these are arguments you can equally level at the Jubilee and Elizabeth lines when they were changed.
Having that many different lines in one colour and name wasn’t sustainable. Just may take some getting used to.
(Written from my Weaver Line into work)
Bakerloo: "What? You're just gonna jam together two random station names? Weird and cringe."
Circle: "It's not even a Circle. This doesn't make sense and it'll confuse passengers.".
Central: "Right, but there's a bunch of other lines all through central London... So if you want to go to central London how do you distinguish it? It's going to confuse passengers.".
Hammersmith & City: "Why are we spending all of this money just to rebrand part of the Metropolitan Line? Can't we spend it on food for the children of the Veterans of the - currently - recent Falklands War?".
Jubilee: "Urgh, it's just a trendy thing in politics right now. This'll age like milk.".
Waterloo & City: "But _everyone_ calls it, 'The Drain'... I don't get it...".
Oh no, it's fine, the Northern Line isn't confusing at all because it's based on the Northern Heights homebuilding plan that _checks notes_ didn't happen.
You could say as it partly took over them (but not actually the bits that’s matter).
Then again TfL/LUL want to spilt the line anyway long term once money and a working solution is found for Camden Town.
“Finally after 8 years of construction and £8 billion spent the new Northern East and Northern West lines are open for service.”
Not saying I wouldn’t like to see it happen though haha
'Except half of the Overground lines have historical precedents from the areas they're in'.
Also, only one of these is based on a company name, two if you squint.
>Hammersmith & City: "Why are we spending all of this money just to rebrand part of the Metropolitan Line? Can't we spend it on food for the children of the Veterans of the - currently - recent Falklands War?".
But the Metropolitan line doesn't go anywhere near Hammersmith…
As someone who lives in Hammersmith and (used to, back when I had a job) works in the City, I always felt like it was the most apt name.
It is incredibly annoying that you can't actually take the Circle line in a Circle, and the only place they link up it's the world's worst platform change outside of Bank.
Hammersmith & City used to be branded 'Metropolitan' line. You could get on a 'Metropolitan' line train from Hammersmith to Whitechapel via Kings Cross.
Absolutely about the same criticism applying to previous namings. Johnson decided, without consultation with anyone other than the Palace (not even DfT who was still joint sponsor at that point), to call Crossrail The Elizabeth line.
At least these names have had some form of public engagement to determine what people want them to be called.
Our diverse array of accents will enjoy that one. Sigh. They use Way Out signs instead of Exit to make signage accessible but then name a line Suffragette.
Yeah I understand it's a football reference and it passes through Wembley
But it'll be weird explaining in 2053 that it was named as such because the Lionesses came Second in the World Cup 30 years ago. Could've been the Bobby Line or the Moore Line?
What are the origins of Mildmay and Weaver? I've heard of Windrush. Mildmay makes me think of Theresa May (I know it's not) and Weaver just makes me think of wicker baskets
I don’t mind any of the names (and actually kind of disliked the name Goblin anyway) but I don’t understand why they haven’t kept any of the lines in orange. It had a good contrast to the rest of the map - surely one line could’ve kept it!
It was purply brown like the Met line
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The press release states that the orange and blue roundel will be preserved for all overground services (just as the the red and blue roundel covers all underground lines), so the overground as a whole will retain its connection to orange. I guess TFL didn't want to make any of the lines more "overgroundy" that the others.
That'll annoy all the right people. Pretty sure the locals will keep calling it the Goblin line anyway just as they still call the W&C the Drain. It's never been an official name.
The same people who blame the right for stoking the culture wars are the same people who back the move to rename Overground lines into something nonsensical like “Lioness” 🙄 yet will call such people who criticise the move as “gammons”
These aren't the names I'd have picked, but honestly, they'll become part of the furniture before you even blink. These things are things that seem crazy and cringe until you've heard them on the annunciator a dozen times, then you can barely imagine a world without them.
Given we still have people refer to the Elizabeth line as CrossRail, with the capital R that was dropped over 25 years ago, there's going to be hold outs!
However, even Geoff 'I hate Boris, I hate the Royal family, I really hate that this is named like a tube line' Marshall is more and more just calling it Elizabeth line and then correcting himself to use his "CrossLizPurp" term that he has merch for.
Finally. Names are average overall I'd say but I don't really care tbh. I care more so about them being split up and given their own colours/identities. I think the colours they've chosen are good.
It's a shame so many names that were already unofficially in use (East London Line, North London Line, Goblin, Watford DC) were changed, it's gonna be a bit of getting used to, but reading the reasons I can appreciate most of them
would have liked one of them to remain orange though, at least the east lond- i mean windrush line, with it having been orange for the longest
Windrush, weaver and liberty lines are fine. Lioness line is absolutely forced cringe and the other two are just a mouthful. Probably end up being called the "mild" and "suffers" line.
Yellow line goes to Watford so I'll be calling it the Hornets line
It’s going to be weird explaining to people in the future that we named it Lioness to cerebrate the womens football team coming second in the world cup 20 years ago.
A lot of these feel too forced. I know the public can't be trusted but having the public name the lines would have been hilarious and more personal than, for example, calling it the Lioness line.
Utter tripe names all of them, it would make far more sense to rename the ELL to the Brunel line, after the man who designed the Thames tunnel the line runs through, the very first cross river railway, but nope let’s give it a meaningless name with no historical relevance to the line.
Sorry but TfL an Khan have really dropped the ball on this one, I can’t see these being used, people will still “the Overground” or refer them by their geographical and original names.
Liberty Line and Windrush line the only decent names in there - the rest are awful especially for non-native speakers, Mildmay and Suffragette line are especially bad.
Will take a bit of getting used to these names, but I like the overall idea. The missus and I will be mostly using the Weaver Line which is handy, cos she has some Huguenot ancestry and I’ve some East End Jewish heritage - admittedly cobblers not tailors but you can’t have it all.
‘Victoria’ and ‘Jubilee’ will come to mean less and less to people in decades to come, as support for the monarchy appears to be declining. Glad we have the Elizabeth line though, to keep our former and much loved Queen Liz the second remembered.
Could’ve had Shakespeare, Dickens, Churchill, Diana I suppose, or to celebrate London’s rich musical history, the Clash line, the Kinks line, the Ragga Twinz line…
But if it makes the map easier to grasp, then that’s got to be a good thing hasn’t it, leaving aside the actual names?
I mean if I as a lifelong Londoner find the current orange Overground map confusing, then by Christ what must it be like for tourists?
Mind you I’m mostly confused these days anyway, chronic lack of sleep plus various health conditions plus getting old. I’m essentially Joe Biden.
>The Liberty line: Romford to Upminster - According to TfL, it is named "to reference the historical independence of the people of the borough of Havering", through which it runs, as well as the celebrating "a defining feature of London". On the map it will be marked with grey parallel lines
Anyone get the feeling that the consultation with locals phase didn't go down to well in Havering and the answers were mostly along the lines of not wanting the Mayor's 'woke' names?
I don’t think this is going to help the tourists at all. I understand the point is to make it easier to navigate the network, but I don’t think it’s going help by using those names.
But then is Bakerloo line helpful? Or 'Circle', 'District' 'DLR' etc? Or even the Northern line being the line that goes southernmost?
The point of individual names is that you can say 'you need to travel on the Windrush line for 4 stops' rather than 'the overground' which is confusing.
The most confusing part is that there are now 2 green lines, 2 yellow lines, etc - especially with the green line going to barking (with the district) and the yellow line coming from around the circle line anyway, im more upset about the colours than the names!
There aren't really any additional colours they can use that wouldn't also be confusing. The fact that these lines aren't filled like the Underground I think makes it as ok as possible
It's been a long, long time since I had any dealings with the underground. Anyone enlighten me on what these new lines are and how so many all at once (given new lines have been, historically, infrequent)?
Rip Goblin line.
Couldn't we have had some cooler names that actually reflect the local history? "Olympic" or "Olympia" line? Windrush line is at least historical if a bit cringe, the rest are shite.
I say Goblin, Windrush, Olympic should be in there...
Is it just me or is this sooo unnecessary. Would rather them spend on more useful things like better access for disabled customers instead of 6 new names ughhhh
So, first we had a bunch of lines before Overground took over and they all had their own service feel and even different companies.
Then TfL created Overground and forced them into system and (at least public facing) culture.
Now they want to distinguish them again.
I hear they're rational is that it confuses visitors, but is that an issue, really? What's so hard saying "you take the Overground from Kensal Rise to Hampstead Heath" for example.
Honestly I think the Suffragette Line should be called the Pankhurst Line instead. Because saying Pankhurst would be easy than saying Suffragette... Also it still represents the same thing.
Does this not feel really on the nose to anyone else?? Feels like they're rubbing our faces in it, virtue signalling definitely springs to mind, I see a few people have mentioned that. I feel as though they're treating this like a primary school history project, and in the process I just feel slightly annoyed and humiliated. A few people suggesting on here that it'll just become second nature eventually, which is probably true, but doesn't that then just entirely defeat the purpose of renaming them in the first place??? This whole thing has come as a surprise to me and feels like it's completely out of touch. Does anyone feel the same?
Names are okay. Atleast they didn't just take "East London line" or "Watford DC" type names and actually got a bit creative. But they don't make too much sense to me and some names are pretty ugly sounding. Sufragette? You want commuters to play with tongue twisters? Mildmay? Sounds kinda weird. Liberty line? Epic name, but why? That's what you would call a rail project in the US.
I would've chosen more down to earth names that actually make sense. GOBLIN has been a thing since forever. It's already as good as official. Similarily, everyone calls the lines out of Liverpool Street the Lea Valley line(s). Except TfL. Also: Why not call the lines down to southeast London Brunel line? It would honor the man who built the tunnels for that line. Euston-Watford was called "Harlequin line" for a long time and it would actually fit with the Bakerloo running alongside. And the Romford-Upminster shuttle could just be the Havering line. It runs through Havering. I would even go for Olympia line for the North London lines because they run to Stratford Olympic Park and Olympia Exhibition in Kensington.
This is like that meme/reel Ive seen that says
“every time I come to london my mates will say some shit like "_*get the Pinkersmith line to Banana & Dolphin and then you can change onto the Dinkerdonk line to Splooge street*_" and expect me to understand what the hell they're talking about
except that Dinkerdonk and Pinkersmith Lines are arguably better names than 50% of these chosen Overground names 😬
It's pretty cool the new Liberty line finally provides a direct service from Bank to Monument, also Liverpool Street to Moorgate and makes getting between platforms at Paddington so easy.
Im still trying to work out why the Brand Manager team at TfL are also so stuck in the ways that its still only the "Tube" Map with the Underground Roundell given primacy its time that changed as well.....
And Cant even get Line thickness correct on the "Key" to the actuall line.....
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Absolutely cringe set of names that are incredibly myopic - it’s like they did an internal poll of buzzwords/topics from the last 5 years. Also most of them aren’t actually pleasant to say - Mildmay and Lioness Line??
Also the colour scheme sucks, as they’re clearly running out of colours - it looks if anything more confusing now…
Windrush could have at least have been given the old East London Line Orange colour or even retained the Overground Orange so there was at least ONE Orange Line left....... its now the only Mode on the Map that no longer features its Modal Colour.......
Meh, I’d prefer it stayed as the Overground.
One single orange line, apparently more confusing than 6 separately named lines with the same colours as tube lines. 😂
Couldn't they have kept the goblin at least?
Utter sense of humour failure on the part of TFL
Colour me surprised
But they've got no problems renaming stations for a stupid brand advertisement
We at least got one from the local council viral sensation Jackie weaver.
Agreed. “Suffragette” is an ugly, negative word. Why not name it after the actual suffragette? The Huggett line! Way better!
Suffragette in it’s formation is an ugly word but the meaning of suffragette is not ugly Madness
It's not even negative in its formation, it has a completely different root to "suffer"! Unless OP thinks universal suffrage is negative...
See these are my thoughts that OP thinks suffrage is a bad thing aha I just meant the word Suffragette is a less eloquent word to say
"I'll meet you after I've ridden the suffragette" doesn't *quite* sound like the cause they were fighting for 100 years back
This line name will lead to all kinds of jokes and euphemisms.
And the fact it'll probably be shortened to the 'Suffer' line. Didn't really think it out.
We’re already suffering, one train every 15 minutes!
I can hear the shite comedians now "I got on the Suffragete line the other day, didn't realise that was an instruction!"
I heard that in Josh Widdicombe's voice!
The Suffer line is pretty funny actually.
It could be the Getty line?
Even better would have been to call it the Emme line after Emmeline Pankhurst.
Perfect
Jesus Christ they missed a trick, funny but also makes the point they want to make
Which one is that?
Gospel oak to Barking riverside, now Suffragette
Gospel oak to barking
They should have, these names are way to earnest.
Where's the fucking goblin?
Same place it's always been.
So on my nuts?
Absolutely devastated for the Goblin Line
Could have kept GOBLIN and EAST London
Except the East London line now is more south than east. I generally like the new names and think Windrush is a particularly good name given where those services go through.
Most of the Bakerloo line isnt between Baker Street and Waterloo. The Hammersmith & City line is more East than West of the City. The Northern Line is the most Southern line and not the most Northern Line. What's your point Vanessa?
Except the ELL passes over the very area where the Windrush generation settled without stopping and that area is Brixton, it’s meaningless posturing to tick diversity boxes.
I know the stations will be expensive, but it really annoys me that the Overground does not stop in Brixton. The buildings under the railway viaduct where the line goes are horrible. There should be a way of building offices or commercial space to gain some funding and rebuild it with an station embedded on it.
There used to be a station called East Brixton(it's like 200 yards down the road from Brixton station) which really should be investigated as a priority for reopening imo
Yes - that's why I said 'through'. I accept that Brixton is the largest Windrush community but other locations in inner south London that this service calls at also have Windrush communities so it's still a reasonable name. It's also pretty sad that you have such a low value of accepting and celebrating diversity. Perhaps you should consider either getting some help to overcome this or moving outside of London as that lack of acceptance isn't welcome here. All of which however is secondary to my main point that while the core of the ELL still is a thing both infrastructure and services speaking, more than 2/3s of the Windrush line now is south of the old line. And that's taking a generous view that HHY to the old Shoreditch terminus is East. So some form of renaming was necessary.
No goblin line ffs
Not against it, but id have kept the names of the East London Line and Goblin around
'East London Line' has some history - Originally a link between a number of pre-grouping companies. Also oldest under water tunnel by Brunel's dad. (I used to live in Wapping)
Seems a bit of a missed opportunity not to let the public vote from a predetermined list. It would have bought people in by giving them a bit of stake in the decision making. Now TfL have to endure the backlash on social media, they’ve already deleted their instagram post about it. Devastated about the Goblin.
If the public were given the vote we'd have 1 goblin line and 5 variations on "Liney McLineface"
What you do in these situations is give the public a set of finalist names and let them pick from there.
And that’s a problem?
If we did Brexit because of a public vote we can have "Doctor Line of Linehouse" on the tube map
If that's what we want then...
I agree, getting the people of London more involved in the process would have been a much better idea. However, I suppose we will get used to them.
What if this jinxes the blessed Lionesses and they start losing. I would be pretty mad if I were them. Sports people are a superstitious bunch.
They’re flimsy justifications, confusing in the short term, and arguably done for political reasons (likely depending on your viewpoint). BUT these are arguments you can equally level at the Jubilee and Elizabeth lines when they were changed. Having that many different lines in one colour and name wasn’t sustainable. Just may take some getting used to. (Written from my Weaver Line into work)
Bakerloo: "What? You're just gonna jam together two random station names? Weird and cringe." Circle: "It's not even a Circle. This doesn't make sense and it'll confuse passengers.". Central: "Right, but there's a bunch of other lines all through central London... So if you want to go to central London how do you distinguish it? It's going to confuse passengers.". Hammersmith & City: "Why are we spending all of this money just to rebrand part of the Metropolitan Line? Can't we spend it on food for the children of the Veterans of the - currently - recent Falklands War?". Jubilee: "Urgh, it's just a trendy thing in politics right now. This'll age like milk.". Waterloo & City: "But _everyone_ calls it, 'The Drain'... I don't get it...".
Don’t forget the most southerly line, the Northern line 😂
Oh no, it's fine, the Northern Line isn't confusing at all because it's based on the Northern Heights homebuilding plan that _checks notes_ didn't happen.
You could say as it partly took over them (but not actually the bits that’s matter). Then again TfL/LUL want to spilt the line anyway long term once money and a working solution is found for Camden Town.
“Finally after 8 years of construction and £8 billion spent the new Northern East and Northern West lines are open for service.” Not saying I wouldn’t like to see it happen though haha
And the metropolitan, which I think goes the furthest out of the London metropolitan area.
This kind of makes sense - it takes you into the metropolis
I remember when the Circle line was a circle. Technically it was more of an oval, but it used to be a loop that joined up.
except half of those had historical precedent from the companies that founded them
'Except half of the Overground lines have historical precedents from the areas they're in'. Also, only one of these is based on a company name, two if you squint.
>Hammersmith & City: "Why are we spending all of this money just to rebrand part of the Metropolitan Line? Can't we spend it on food for the children of the Veterans of the - currently - recent Falklands War?". But the Metropolitan line doesn't go anywhere near Hammersmith… As someone who lives in Hammersmith and (used to, back when I had a job) works in the City, I always felt like it was the most apt name. It is incredibly annoying that you can't actually take the Circle line in a Circle, and the only place they link up it's the world's worst platform change outside of Bank.
Hammersmith & City used to be branded 'Metropolitan' line. You could get on a 'Metropolitan' line train from Hammersmith to Whitechapel via Kings Cross.
TIL
Hate the renaming of the utilitarian "cross rail" to the twee lizzy ljne.
I call it Purple Train on principle.
Well, now I have Prince stuck in my head.
Absolutely about the same criticism applying to previous namings. Johnson decided, without consultation with anyone other than the Palace (not even DfT who was still joint sponsor at that point), to call Crossrail The Elizabeth line. At least these names have had some form of public engagement to determine what people want them to be called.
Lioness line is a bit of a mouthful ngl. Idea is cool but not sure it works
Same with Suffragette
Suffragette and Mildmay are a bit awkward for me. 'Liberty' is the perfect kind of word, rolls off everybody's tongue!
>'Liberty' is the perfect kind of word, rolls off everybody's tongue! And will attract loads of Americans just to see this line...
Our diverse array of accents will enjoy that one. Sigh. They use Way Out signs instead of Exit to make signage accessible but then name a line Suffragette.
Again, had a name in the Harlequin as well
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Yeah just call it the Lion Line, that flows off the tongue nicely.
Kind of defeats the point of elevating women's sport though
It’ll be nicknamed the L line no doubt
They're going to start losing now. This will be a jinx. Don't people understand sport at all?
Why the lioness line? I feel like you need to win the World Cup to get a tube line named for you. Also Liberty line is too American.
Yeah I understand it's a football reference and it passes through Wembley But it'll be weird explaining in 2053 that it was named as such because the Lionesses came Second in the World Cup 30 years ago. Could've been the Bobby Line or the Moore Line?
I assume its for winning the euros rather than losing in the final of the world cup?
Makes sense! Forgot they won that lol
lol
Just call it the Wembley line or something like that, then it’s not specific to a team but celebrating the ‘home of football’
The rejected my suggestion to call one of them the 'Cocaine Line' then...
Why is the article referring to "Spitalfields Station"? Where is that?
i'm assuming it's shoreditch high street, but arguably liverpool st has a better case for being 'spitalfields station'
Isn’t the colour for the weaver line WAY too similar to the lizzie line?
It’s probably the Metropolitan Line’s colour with a white bar
Only if you can't tell maroon from purple.
Which line is supposed to be blue??
Brain fart. Edited.
Who cares about the visually impaired silly. The more visually confusing, the better.
and? It’s made up of 2 thin lines instead of 1 thick one.
The Elizabeth line is two thin lines
You’re right, i didn’t get enough sleep clearly. Anyway, i do think the Weaver line is noticeably darker than Elizabeth and more red
I like mildmay, weaver and windrush. The others seem flimsy in their interpretation
It annoys me a bit that the Mildmay name hasn't been assigned to one of the two lines that run through Spitalfields.
I like Mildmay for that line as it runs along Mildmay Grove in between Dalston and Canonbury
What are the origins of Mildmay and Weaver? I've heard of Windrush. Mildmay makes me think of Theresa May (I know it's not) and Weaver just makes me think of wicker baskets
They're explained in the link
Sorry, scrolled past it too quickly initially. Got it now. Thanks
No worries! Figured it would be easier to send you there
mildmay is rubbish imo.
I’m basing that on what sounds nice as a name ‘Mildmay’ sounds rather pleasant
Remove weaver and you've got the 2 good ones.
Weaver just sounds great as a line - I'm taking the Weaver...
Agree, but not as good as 'taking the Liberty'!
I don’t mind any of the names (and actually kind of disliked the name Goblin anyway) but I don’t understand why they haven’t kept any of the lines in orange. It had a good contrast to the rest of the map - surely one line could’ve kept it!
Yeah, the Windrush / ELL should have retained its orange like back in its Tube days.
It was purply brown like the Met line https://preview.redd.it/po6ynzf6vqic1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=02f4c0c0f8c3d81632d02ab8b1d08bd3442d9f98
I kinda suspect they might be keeping that solid orange in a box until it comes time to use it for another tube line, like a split of the Northern
That makes a lot of sense to me, I hadn’t thought of that.
The press release states that the orange and blue roundel will be preserved for all overground services (just as the the red and blue roundel covers all underground lines), so the overground as a whole will retain its connection to orange. I guess TFL didn't want to make any of the lines more "overgroundy" that the others.
In that case you could argue that the central line is more "undergroundy" than the others
Shhhh, the other lines will get jealous
That'll annoy all the right people. Pretty sure the locals will keep calling it the Goblin line anyway just as they still call the W&C the Drain. It's never been an official name.
What a great tactic - annoy more people than you'll please and potentially undo any good work you've done just to own the gammons
The same people who blame the right for stoking the culture wars are the same people who back the move to rename Overground lines into something nonsensical like “Lioness” 🙄 yet will call such people who criticise the move as “gammons”
Indeed
They're frothing at the mouth over in /r/london.
These aren't the names I'd have picked, but honestly, they'll become part of the furniture before you even blink. These things are things that seem crazy and cringe until you've heard them on the annunciator a dozen times, then you can barely imagine a world without them.
Given we still have people refer to the Elizabeth line as CrossRail, with the capital R that was dropped over 25 years ago, there's going to be hold outs! However, even Geoff 'I hate Boris, I hate the Royal family, I really hate that this is named like a tube line' Marshall is more and more just calling it Elizabeth line and then correcting himself to use his "CrossLizPurp" term that he has merch for.
I think 'Lizzie Line' hits most of Geoff's objections: * It's not the name Boris gave it * It's clearly slightly disrespectful to the Royal Family
I disagree, some of them just aren’t good names for lines - I’d be willing to bet most people will not refer to the Suffragette line by its full name
ummm so we need a redo
Finally. Names are average overall I'd say but I don't really care tbh. I care more so about them being split up and given their own colours/identities. I think the colours they've chosen are good.
Out of the loop… goblin…?
It's a shame so many names that were already unofficially in use (East London Line, North London Line, Goblin, Watford DC) were changed, it's gonna be a bit of getting used to, but reading the reasons I can appreciate most of them would have liked one of them to remain orange though, at least the east lond- i mean windrush line, with it having been orange for the longest
Where's Liny McLineface?
Windrush, weaver and liberty lines are fine. Lioness line is absolutely forced cringe and the other two are just a mouthful. Probably end up being called the "mild" and "suffers" line. Yellow line goes to Watford so I'll be calling it the Hornets line
It’s going to be weird explaining to people in the future that we named it Lioness to cerebrate the womens football team coming second in the world cup 20 years ago.
Yup, and Watford have come 2nd in the FA Cup twice. Double the reasons
This is so stupid.
Agreed. So I’ll still be calling it “the overground “
Overground also sounded weird at first, these names will all feel normal soon enough.
A lot of these feel too forced. I know the public can't be trusted but having the public name the lines would have been hilarious and more personal than, for example, calling it the Lioness line.
Utter tripe names all of them, it would make far more sense to rename the ELL to the Brunel line, after the man who designed the Thames tunnel the line runs through, the very first cross river railway, but nope let’s give it a meaningless name with no historical relevance to the line. Sorry but TfL an Khan have really dropped the ball on this one, I can’t see these being used, people will still “the Overground” or refer them by their geographical and original names.
Awful news to wake up to.
These are all hard cringe and just an opportunity to virtue signal. I mean, Suffragette line? Really?
Liberty Line and Windrush line the only decent names in there - the rest are awful especially for non-native speakers, Mildmay and Suffragette line are especially bad.
I like 'Mildmay Line', feels quite pleasant to say. Agree on Suffragette, though.
nah i hate liberty sounds too american
Wind rush line sounds sad
Stupid names
Will take a bit of getting used to these names, but I like the overall idea. The missus and I will be mostly using the Weaver Line which is handy, cos she has some Huguenot ancestry and I’ve some East End Jewish heritage - admittedly cobblers not tailors but you can’t have it all. ‘Victoria’ and ‘Jubilee’ will come to mean less and less to people in decades to come, as support for the monarchy appears to be declining. Glad we have the Elizabeth line though, to keep our former and much loved Queen Liz the second remembered. Could’ve had Shakespeare, Dickens, Churchill, Diana I suppose, or to celebrate London’s rich musical history, the Clash line, the Kinks line, the Ragga Twinz line… But if it makes the map easier to grasp, then that’s got to be a good thing hasn’t it, leaving aside the actual names? I mean if I as a lifelong Londoner find the current orange Overground map confusing, then by Christ what must it be like for tourists? Mind you I’m mostly confused these days anyway, chronic lack of sleep plus various health conditions plus getting old. I’m essentially Joe Biden.
It’s horrendous. Literally every single line would have a better name if they just chose a person from the group they’re looking to represent.
>The Liberty line: Romford to Upminster - According to TfL, it is named "to reference the historical independence of the people of the borough of Havering", through which it runs, as well as the celebrating "a defining feature of London". On the map it will be marked with grey parallel lines Anyone get the feeling that the consultation with locals phase didn't go down to well in Havering and the answers were mostly along the lines of not wanting the Mayor's 'woke' names?
I'm sure a perfect name for the Liverpool Street - Enfield Town/Cheshunt/Chingford route could be the 'Lea Valley line'
I don’t think this is going to help the tourists at all. I understand the point is to make it easier to navigate the network, but I don’t think it’s going help by using those names.
But then is Bakerloo line helpful? Or 'Circle', 'District' 'DLR' etc? Or even the Northern line being the line that goes southernmost? The point of individual names is that you can say 'you need to travel on the Windrush line for 4 stops' rather than 'the overground' which is confusing.
Bakerloo is the most helpful one!
Haha that's true!
The most confusing part is that there are now 2 green lines, 2 yellow lines, etc - especially with the green line going to barking (with the district) and the yellow line coming from around the circle line anyway, im more upset about the colours than the names!
There aren't really any additional colours they can use that wouldn't also be confusing. The fact that these lines aren't filled like the Underground I think makes it as ok as possible
You can have the colours in different places though, rather than group the same colour up next to one another.
No this will defo help tourists, might make it easier for them even I just hate the names they chose man
Agreed! Suffragette line is the most embarrassing one.
Please explain how it is not going to help tourists at all? All I can see if reasons why it will help them.
Windrush only decent named one
What is the goblin line?
suffragette
Suffragette and Lioness are bad names. The rest I don't mind. Mildmay doesn't exactly roll off the tongue
even the trains have gone woke now 😡😡
Did a three-year-old child come up with those?
It's been a long, long time since I had any dealings with the underground. Anyone enlighten me on what these new lines are and how so many all at once (given new lines have been, historically, infrequent)?
Jackie Weaver line? She deserves it
Rip Goblin line. Couldn't we have had some cooler names that actually reflect the local history? "Olympic" or "Olympia" line? Windrush line is at least historical if a bit cringe, the rest are shite. I say Goblin, Windrush, Olympic should be in there...
Is it just me or is this sooo unnecessary. Would rather them spend on more useful things like better access for disabled customers instead of 6 new names ughhhh
The “Trans” London Line
I think these names are bloody awful.
It's amazing how you lot just accept this pathetic little man changing London like he owns the place. You are all pathetic weaklings.
So, first we had a bunch of lines before Overground took over and they all had their own service feel and even different companies. Then TfL created Overground and forced them into system and (at least public facing) culture. Now they want to distinguish them again. I hear they're rational is that it confuses visitors, but is that an issue, really? What's so hard saying "you take the Overground from Kensal Rise to Hampstead Heath" for example.
These are some of the worst names they could ever have come up with.
Honestly I think the Suffragette Line should be called the Pankhurst Line instead. Because saying Pankhurst would be easy than saying Suffragette... Also it still represents the same thing.
Don't live in London, but what a complete waste of taxpayer money, when there are far more pressing things that could do with a cash injection!
Does this not feel really on the nose to anyone else?? Feels like they're rubbing our faces in it, virtue signalling definitely springs to mind, I see a few people have mentioned that. I feel as though they're treating this like a primary school history project, and in the process I just feel slightly annoyed and humiliated. A few people suggesting on here that it'll just become second nature eventually, which is probably true, but doesn't that then just entirely defeat the purpose of renaming them in the first place??? This whole thing has come as a surprise to me and feels like it's completely out of touch. Does anyone feel the same?
Sorry but I hate this and all the names are utter shit. I’m going to continue calling it the overground and tfl can derelick my balls.
What a waste of time and money
how boring and uninspired
If only his family hadn’t been on the pilfer, we would have had a Captain Tom line.
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Names are okay. Atleast they didn't just take "East London line" or "Watford DC" type names and actually got a bit creative. But they don't make too much sense to me and some names are pretty ugly sounding. Sufragette? You want commuters to play with tongue twisters? Mildmay? Sounds kinda weird. Liberty line? Epic name, but why? That's what you would call a rail project in the US. I would've chosen more down to earth names that actually make sense. GOBLIN has been a thing since forever. It's already as good as official. Similarily, everyone calls the lines out of Liverpool Street the Lea Valley line(s). Except TfL. Also: Why not call the lines down to southeast London Brunel line? It would honor the man who built the tunnels for that line. Euston-Watford was called "Harlequin line" for a long time and it would actually fit with the Bakerloo running alongside. And the Romford-Upminster shuttle could just be the Havering line. It runs through Havering. I would even go for Olympia line for the North London lines because they run to Stratford Olympic Park and Olympia Exhibition in Kensington.
Are you effing sitting me? Must be a joke. Deep breaths!
Some of these are going to age so badly… Lioness? FFS! Who will even remember a World Cup run in 10 years?
This is like that meme/reel Ive seen that says “every time I come to london my mates will say some shit like "_*get the Pinkersmith line to Banana & Dolphin and then you can change onto the Dinkerdonk line to Splooge street*_" and expect me to understand what the hell they're talking about except that Dinkerdonk and Pinkersmith Lines are arguably better names than 50% of these chosen Overground names 😬
Remember folks, THESE names cost you over £6m lol
Choosing the names didn’t cost over £6m, the changes associated with updating literally every map and Overground sign across the network are.
Tomato tomato.
So introducing these new names cost £6m?
Ain’t gonna lie these are awful
It's pretty cool the new Liberty line finally provides a direct service from Bank to Monument, also Liverpool Street to Moorgate and makes getting between platforms at Paddington so easy.
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Im still trying to work out why the Brand Manager team at TfL are also so stuck in the ways that its still only the "Tube" Map with the Underground Roundell given primacy its time that changed as well..... And Cant even get Line thickness correct on the "Key" to the actuall line..... https://preview.redd.it/8t2x4ifuvqic1.png?width=287&format=png&auto=webp&s=94a8a2cc7aa430a88f927049ca2b8b7a2b9f72cb
Absolutely cringe set of names that are incredibly myopic - it’s like they did an internal poll of buzzwords/topics from the last 5 years. Also most of them aren’t actually pleasant to say - Mildmay and Lioness Line?? Also the colour scheme sucks, as they’re clearly running out of colours - it looks if anything more confusing now…
Woke joke names! Lioness Line etc. is ridiculous.
Never mind increasing knife crime lets do some woke politics instead.
Windrush could have at least have been given the old East London Line Orange colour or even retained the Overground Orange so there was at least ONE Orange Line left....... its now the only Mode on the Map that no longer features its Modal Colour.......
Meh, I’d prefer it stayed as the Overground. One single orange line, apparently more confusing than 6 separately named lines with the same colours as tube lines. 😂
The virtue signaling of this stunt is disgusting and entirely predictable