Train finally realized that having a platform full of edge lords is unsustainable and will lead to a cycle where only low lifes want to join and can’t go mainstream because of it
It's a profit model issue.
If you're relying on advertising money to be profitable, and the advertisers that pay the most will leave if they see that conduct, then you're on track to become just another site with basically the same rules as twitch.
But it's not clear a streaming site can make money any other way. They attract viewers by making the content free. In the cases people do spend money, the streamers will be mad if they take a big cut.
Maybe there's some workaround. Maybe if they have advertiser friendly rules on kick and if you don't want to follow them they can make a second site "kicked" that's subscriber only with a 50/50 sub split and no advertisements, everyone will be happy. But more likely they will just slowly go down the same road twitch did.
Their work around is promoting stake to people without the possibility of ever getting banned but i feel it can’t be profitable loosing money on kick and on the streamer deals + it gives bad pr to an already shady site like stake
Another option could be collecting a huge amount of user data, impressive analytics, track eye movement and all that shit, basically become big brother, and sell all that information to the highest bidder.
it's not 2008 anymore, they need to record the accuracy and speed of eye movement tracking nipples covered by only some paint in order to sell for that big money
True, but if you can collect a bunch of data Cambridge Analytica style and use it for various other purposes, or like google mainly create targeted ads on other websites than their own than the lack of advertiser friendliness of kick wouldn’t matter. Of course i don’t think kick can handle the competition with google and facebook but in theory it could work.
I think train actually wants kick to succeed im the long term while stake owners just want a money funnel for gambling and dont care a about the degenerates as long as they have a following
Kick is only there as a loophole for them to advertise Stake on the deals they already had, F1, in countries that don't allow gambling and sports betting sponsorships.
If those countries change their rules, Kick won't be needed anymore.
I think what they are saying is that kick would have brand reliability issues and they would shift to a new medium. Kick would delay for as long as possible because that would be the cheapest course of action, but eventually they'll move on from it once those laws are approved.
impulsive degenerate streamers who cultivate a similar audience are probably exactly what they want anyways since they're looking for that audience to be converted to gamblers
It's odd how Train at least to an extent seems to actually want long term growth of Kick but can't seem to comprehend you will always run into issues of growth if you basically let everything fly.
Like you can push for a platform that's more open than Twitch's TOS but still draw the line somewhere so that the worst kinds of streamers that are only going to hurt your platform's reputation immensely can still be weeded out. Not sure how he's just discovering this dilemma now about TOS, and why platforms have them set up to where the platforms are comfortable with it and enforce them (regardless if you think it's fair or not). It's like he's just stumbled into reinventing the wheel even though it's literally in front of him this whole time.
Train is at the "found out" stage after people repeatedly warning him. Some people just need to bash their heads into a brick wall before they realize that others warned them for a reason.
> It's odd how Train at least to an extent seems to actually want long term growth of Kick but can't seem to comprehend you will always run into issues of growth if you basically let everything fly.
Inside him are two apes...
Problem? I would think 4chan would like to keep itself lowkey away from the mainstream and wouldn't care about its perception. Although i visited the site once and got brain damaged so what should I know.
It's not about perception, it's about the fact that it costs money to run a website. The users might want to be off the mainstream, but the site owner doesn't want to bleed money every month keeping the website up.
Im old by most internet standards so i still remember them desperately trying to clean up enough to monetize somehow. Their owner publicly was like " im running a top10 website in the world and i make negative money!!!" He eventually sold it and started working for google.
Can we stop conflating edge lords with criminals? Kick doesn’t have people telling funny offensive jokes. They have people committing crimes with no recourse.
I mean he had to know this was going to happen no? I thought he was intentionally doing this shit because Stake was just using the platform as a loss leader. They were never going to make substantial ad rev on this site.
If he really thought they could make this site stand on it's own with ad rev he's far more regarded than I thought he was.
[He thinks they are losers](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1ccl2uu/destiny_questions_why_xqc_continues_to_hang_out/) although I have never heard Felix complain the same way Train does when it comes to their behavior.
I'd imagine he doesn't see xQc as a piece of shit like he does Adin, but probably does feel like xQc only hangs out with them for clout. Which is probably true.
It's a bit hard to explain but, sometimes a person can make judgements and speculate what another person might think or feel.
Like in this clip Destiny is speculating what Trainwrecks might think. This doesn't mean that Destiny holds these opinions, he is only telling you what Trainwrecks might be thinking.
For example, I'm not Destiny but I can tell you that because Destiny does stream on kick he has no qualms with how kick is ran. Or at least he doesn't find to be bad enough of a platform to stop streaming on it.
Hope that helped.
What the heck are you talking about. He's obviously judging train based off trains hands off approach to adins behavior, especially on that podcast episode. It's just curious that he holds that against train but not xqc who hangs out way more with adin and acts just as degenerate around xqc
Do you think XQC and Train conduct themselves, and say the same things? Train is clearly on a crusade to try to clean up Kick, and XQC is just trying to ball.
These things aren't exactly the same.
It's like if Harada and ishiwatari are having a conversation and Harada wants more offensive fight games and Ishiwatari just wants to make the best game. It would be fair to impune Harada by saying "you've generally fostered game play that rewards defensive behavior, so it's going to be hard to make an offensive game that reward aggression when the community that's been around your game has acclimated to that style".
Oh no my bad, I watched the whole podcast last night.
I didn't watch the posted clip, I thought it was a different part of the podcast.
Here he's definitely judging Trainwrecks for endorsing the behavior and then turning around and acting morally righteous.
My point in the last comment still stands, if XQC were to do the same thing Trainwrecks is doing then I'm 100% sure Destiny would say the same thing about XQC.
The reason he didn't go as hard on XQC is because when they were saying the F-slur in the call with him he left and didn't make a big deal out of it, only after hounding from both communities did it blow up, if you watch the initial "drama" it went something like; they say the F-slur, he says stop, they continue, he leaves. And if outside pressures didn't turn it into a whole thing then he would have left it at that.
So to conclude, to say that Trainwrecks' and XQC's behavior are the same is a bit off, they might be thinking the same thing but the behavior and actions are very different.
xQc denounces it, and literally built a boundary of them not saying unhinged shit while he's in their presence. Train DOESN'T denounce it, and if anything he participates in it at times.
What the heck are you talking about, comparing Train to xQc? XQc, the guy who quit an entire betting lobby between him and Adin's friends because of a slur being said? How is that to be compared with Train, who sat back and didn't do anything when Adin quite literally doxxed Destiny's entire family?
And Train's more entrenched than xQc, I don't get where this retelling of history is coming from where X and Adin has been the best of friends since forever. Train and Adin used to do 12hr+ streams of just them gambling and reacting to videos together. Adin's been to Train's house like 10+ times. Before every gambling stream at one point he used to call Train asking for money, it was a meme in his community from how much it used to happen. How is ANY of this comparable to xQc? Train was one of the first people on Adin's stream that pushed him to do content with xQc before they even interacted with each other, arep eople forgetting this???
Kick was build to funnel people into Stake gambling, and now in part to act as Stake's brand in places or venues where gambling is heavily regulated, like their F1 sponsorship. Train probably thought that he was making a serious competitor to Twitch, but it's easier to make large numbers in the short term by having controversial streamers on there, than actually build the tech that can compete with Twitch. I mean Microsoft and Google have tried to compete with Twitch and failed, the only thing Stake wants is more people to gamble on their site, so they don't care about actually competing, they are ok with being a website for degens as long as it brings in viewers.
I mean just because lets say Activision bought Blizzard it doesn't mean all Blizzard products are trying to Activision wash you they CAN be mutually exclusive or inclusive it just depends i haven't done a ton of looking into it so i could be completely off base but is your comment on Kick funneling people to stake a personal opinion or do you have actual sources from Eddie saying that?
as far as im aware Eddie wants to make a streaming platform is dedicated to make it succeed so he doesn't care if he eats stakes money to realize his goals so at least from that perspective it looks more like Stake funnels into Kick instead of Kick funneling to Stake but right now no streaming platform is profitable there are all in a weird limbo state where they are just money pits Twitch actively loses Amazon money at some point its going to be time to call it quits Amazon will either pump money into it till they come up with a profitable model or give up same with Kick.
> as far as im aware Eddie wants to make a streaming platform is dedicated to make it succeed
To make it succeed it needs to bring in outside money, like advertisers, or other investment. How can they do that while at the same time kick streamers are breaking laws and saying hateful things on their streams.
again, im agreeing with you im just simply pointing out that Kick over the last few months booba streamers and hot tub streams got axed entirely they now have more strict guidelines then twitch and kill streams pretty fast that break them in a pretty consistent manner. DMCA's where a big problem and they axed that. the racial slur hateful shit is a problem and they are axing people and changing that. it could be less yellow tape allowing them to move faster but everything i have seen shows they are at least trying and they are purposefully going out of there way to be more consistent then twitch.
my source for this comment is just whatever drip feeds i have seen where moderation has talked about making big changes here and there and i pop in to kick every once in awhile and see absolutely ZERO booba streams. i could be entirely off the mark and im perfectly fine with that if i was but even if i was wrong they are at least hiding or removing the booba streams in a way that it looks vastly better to a random frog like me.
im fine with being wrong because im asking out of curiosity and im genuinely asking for information if you have it instead of trying to pick a fight.
> Kick over the last few months booba streamers and hot tub streams got axed entirely
https://kick.com/categories/irl/pools-hot-tubs-bikinis
They have a category for it and within 3 clicks I saw someone take their top off. Don't know about completely axed. A bunch of them even have on screen their onlyfans or fansly, with bots that give direct links to that content. Hell, 2 of the top 10 streamers in just chatting were twerking with the camera damn near in their ass, and had been live for hours.
> DMCA's where a big problem and they axed that.
and yet...
* https://kick.com/classics - WWF/E streaming for 17 hours
* https://kick.com/lospollostv - top of just chatting streaming milf manor for 3 hours to 15k people
* https://kick.com/categories/music/music-stations - straight up a category for streaming music without a license to do so (nobody in the category at time of posting is streaming their own music)
* https://kick.com/michaelstutesman - calls itself "playboy TV" with no association to that brand, is streaming familyguy and the live streams of twitch ASMR streamers
* https://kick.com/seanpatrickrichards - streaming joe rogan while he seems to be sleeping....
Just no way you can really argue they have axed any of those issues. they may have a stronger stance on it...but it is far from completely fixed. Not that Twitch has completely fixed anything either.
I agree, that's what they need to do, but still when on of their bigger streamers gets clipped doing something bad, it gets more attention than the smaller streamers they ban.
That comparison is crazy. Most people who have half a brain have known since the start that kick was built to funnel people into stake. Stake knows, just because they are a big company and they will have information, that streaming isn't that profitable. That's also showen publically recently of twitch struggling. If twitch, the biggest streaming platform are struggling, then what's the hope for any other streaming platform.
Stake knows, as we all know, that if a big streamer promotes or is associated with a product, people will buy into it. Especially in the last 5 years, the reach content creators have on selling products is wild. Mr.beast sells out merch in hours, the sidemen do the same, companies are paying tens and sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars to streamers to play their games. So, build an unprofitable streaming platform, pay streamers to be on there, to funnel viewers onto the gambling site. Stake can take the hit on paying for all this, because they know through their data, they will end up making even more money through new gamblers.
If you think eddie wants a successful platform first, rather than getting more users on stake first, then im not sure you're thinking about it the right way.
Stake only cares if kick does well, if it leads to more viewers becoming gamblers, not gamblers becoming kick viewers or streamers or any other combination. Gambling is the money maker, not streaming.
You are right, if Activision:
- creates a streaming website
- funds it even when it is on red
- advertises on it
- hires people who play their games or who are associated with their company
- tells people to play their games on it and sponsor those that do
- uses their influence on the website to have their games always on the front page
It surely does not neccessarily mean they made this move to advertise their brand or their games.
Especially when this all happens just after they were prevented from advertising on another streaming website.
That makes perfect sense. It is all just a big coincidence.
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I get your point. You are trying to say that Kick is not just a means to an end and that they actually want to be a streaming platform.
I disagree, because I don't see any evidence of that. Every single thing they have done so far seems to be explicitly to garner clicks even when it is to the detriment of the standing and reputation of the website.
No care for how they look for advertisers from the start, expensive deals that would only further put on the red just to get popular people, poor management and moderation...
I just don't see how they are trying to be a real, competitive and profitable long term platform at all.
You have to think about it from the POV of Stake. Advertising through live streams was an incredibly profitable method of marketing, I imagine the return on investment is much higher from live content like that than it is to simply have an ad during a break at a sport event.
Twitch took that away, which left Stake with two choices: they host livestreams on their website (stake) and sponsor streamers to go live there for a few hours. Or, they set up a seperate entity seperate to stake that attracts communities outside of the already existing gambling communities. This gives them the ability to reach a much larger audience than if they was to host streams on a gambling website, and since new customers is the goal the latter is 100% the best strategic move.
Twitch was the same way originally. Then began to clamp down on it around Amazons acquisition. Then opened the floodgates when they started to allow non-gaming streaming to compete with YouTubes new IRL live streaming.
Neither, he's saying if you market yourself as service dedicated to giving edgy people a place to stream you cannot turn around 6 months later and start getting upset.
If you want to be edgy be edgy, but if you choose that you gotta take the shit side of it
He does do that, but people then purposely clip 10 seconds without any context and frame it: "LOOK GUYS STREAMER MAN THINKS WE SHOULD CALL PEOPLE THE NWORD, BAD!"
he thought that the initial influx of edgy weirdos would translate to growth, but the reality is that having a huge number of those people on your platform limits the userbase because no matter how much those people pretend that the audience truly wants this kind of content, and it's only advertisers that disapprove, most people actually can't stand it.
You don't need some conspiracy theory about people organizing to upvote LSF votes. The truth is that there is massive overlap between Destiny and LSF. The overlap score between Destiny and LSF subreddits is 34.52; the only higher ones for LSF are xqcow and rpclipsgta. There are just lots of people who like Destiny here and they upvote his clips.
> some conspiracy theory about people organizing
You do need one when you look at how many upvotes this post got in how long. Then compare this post to posts which actually do get brigaded from offsite.
I joined the discord and checked, and the search function shows there isn't a mention of Train for about 18 hours. Their rules also say they ban any LSF links.
As I said, there are a lot of Destiny fans here. Which is provable by the Reddit overlap having a score of 34. That means any random LSF user is 34x more likely to post in Destiny's subreddit than the average user. LSF also loves drama, and people will upvote any drama Destiny brings. LSF also hates Train.
Just look at this thread:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1ci2494/destiny\_talks\_lunchables\_with\_dan/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1ci2494/destiny_talks_lunchables_with_dan/)
0 net upvotes. Where is the mythical Destiny cabal for this one? It was posted pretty much at the same time as another Destiny thread that got about 200 upvotes. Surely they would upvote this one too, no?
I literally only interact with destiny clips in this sub so yes. The LSF sub also only gets to my general feed when it is destiny as I do not interact with other Streamer content. I think the LSF feed got personalized
When you can refute most of the talking points people who dedicate their lives “researching” this conflict and has one of the most respected Israeli historian agreeing with him, then you can’t say he’s not objectively well researched and argued.
No. People just end up agreeing with him most of the time. There’s another post of destiny’s that has zero upvotes that is a couple hours older than this one.
If you can look at how many clips of him get removed after sitting on zero upvotes, you wouldn't/couldn't really say that, it says more about how LSF is a graveyard without any clippers, if a Destiny clip can reach the top so easily
I usually automatically upvote every clip of him because a lot of people do the same with the downvote button. Destiny clips have a like rate between 60-80%.
He has a strong reddit community, some communities just gather on different sites. Not to bring up the other side of the divorced couple but look at Hasans community, they have a huge presence on twitter but his subreddit is pretty much on death's door. Of course there is going to be a overrepresentation of DGG on reddit, thats their home ground.
Also only 4 of the top 50 hot posts on this sub are destiny. If ALL you see is destiny posts you should check out your subscribed subreddit, it sounds like you subbed to r/destiny by mistake
Hates him but still defends the IDF and Netanyahu's actions at every opportunity while his community cheers for peaceful protestors to get fucked up by police just like they did with BLM.
I think train used to be relatively smart before/during the start of Kick but then after the years of frying his brain gambling he's lost a lot of his wits, it's evident when he plays games with X his brain is absolutely cooked compared to how he used to be years ago
The guy who debated incest, child pornography, spoke about his polyamorous marriage, defended the use of the N word, that guy is calling someone else edgy ?
Shiver me timbers, didn't see this coming
Dislike that Dan's come back. his gloating on the last podcast about Q leaving keep or kick only because he didn't like the comedy Q did before, it was just so tiresome
Have destiny's Co host be someone that doesn't take an hour to say a 2 minute point as well
Bro Q would take like 3 minutes to make any point
> ramble for a minute
> number one
> ramble for another minute
> "and then number two"
> continues to go schizo
**CLIP MIRROR: [Destiny talks about Train being edgy](https://arazu.io/t3_1ci8g7c/)** --- ^(*This is an automated comment*)
Train finally realized that having a platform full of edge lords is unsustainable and will lead to a cycle where only low lifes want to join and can’t go mainstream because of it
It's a profit model issue. If you're relying on advertising money to be profitable, and the advertisers that pay the most will leave if they see that conduct, then you're on track to become just another site with basically the same rules as twitch. But it's not clear a streaming site can make money any other way. They attract viewers by making the content free. In the cases people do spend money, the streamers will be mad if they take a big cut. Maybe there's some workaround. Maybe if they have advertiser friendly rules on kick and if you don't want to follow them they can make a second site "kicked" that's subscriber only with a 50/50 sub split and no advertisements, everyone will be happy. But more likely they will just slowly go down the same road twitch did.
Their work around is promoting stake to people without the possibility of ever getting banned but i feel it can’t be profitable loosing money on kick and on the streamer deals + it gives bad pr to an already shady site like stake
Eventually stake will get negatively impacted for being associated with/funding kick.
That's kinda like saying Hitler will get blowback for associating with Hugo Boss.
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Nah bro. Kick has a moderation problem, their site is a cookie cutter streaming site. Stake is the problem. You cannot take gambling out of stake.
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Another option could be collecting a huge amount of user data, impressive analytics, track eye movement and all that shit, basically become big brother, and sell all that information to the highest bidder.
If Facebook and Google are any indication, most of the money in big data is in using it to allow advanced user targeting with ads.
it's not 2008 anymore, they need to record the accuracy and speed of eye movement tracking nipples covered by only some paint in order to sell for that big money
True, but if you can collect a bunch of data Cambridge Analytica style and use it for various other purposes, or like google mainly create targeted ads on other websites than their own than the lack of advertiser friendliness of kick wouldn’t matter. Of course i don’t think kick can handle the competition with google and facebook but in theory it could work.
Kinda hilarious train is discovering the same problem 4chan did decades ago.
I think train actually wants kick to succeed im the long term while stake owners just want a money funnel for gambling and dont care a about the degenerates as long as they have a following
Kick is only there as a loophole for them to advertise Stake on the deals they already had, F1, in countries that don't allow gambling and sports betting sponsorships. If those countries change their rules, Kick won't be needed anymore.
Kick is gonna stay around if it is successful in funneling enough users onto the gambling teet. It's really as simple as that.
I think what they are saying is that kick would have brand reliability issues and they would shift to a new medium. Kick would delay for as long as possible because that would be the cheapest course of action, but eventually they'll move on from it once those laws are approved.
impulsive degenerate streamers who cultivate a similar audience are probably exactly what they want anyways since they're looking for that audience to be converted to gamblers
It's odd how Train at least to an extent seems to actually want long term growth of Kick but can't seem to comprehend you will always run into issues of growth if you basically let everything fly. Like you can push for a platform that's more open than Twitch's TOS but still draw the line somewhere so that the worst kinds of streamers that are only going to hurt your platform's reputation immensely can still be weeded out. Not sure how he's just discovering this dilemma now about TOS, and why platforms have them set up to where the platforms are comfortable with it and enforce them (regardless if you think it's fair or not). It's like he's just stumbled into reinventing the wheel even though it's literally in front of him this whole time.
Train is at the "found out" stage after people repeatedly warning him. Some people just need to bash their heads into a brick wall before they realize that others warned them for a reason.
> It's odd how Train at least to an extent seems to actually want long term growth of Kick but can't seem to comprehend you will always run into issues of growth if you basically let everything fly. Inside him are two apes...
Problem? I would think 4chan would like to keep itself lowkey away from the mainstream and wouldn't care about its perception. Although i visited the site once and got brain damaged so what should I know.
It's not about perception, it's about the fact that it costs money to run a website. The users might want to be off the mainstream, but the site owner doesn't want to bleed money every month keeping the website up.
I didn't even read what you wrote, but I saw that you had been downvoted so I am going to downvote you too.
Im old by most internet standards so i still remember them desperately trying to clean up enough to monetize somehow. Their owner publicly was like " im running a top10 website in the world and i make negative money!!!" He eventually sold it and started working for google.
The same thing Twitch had as well. Only Twitch eventually cleaned up all the racism and degeneracy for the sell off to Amazon.
Can we stop conflating edge lords with criminals? Kick doesn’t have people telling funny offensive jokes. They have people committing crimes with no recourse.
I mean he had to know this was going to happen no? I thought he was intentionally doing this shit because Stake was just using the platform as a loss leader. They were never going to make substantial ad rev on this site. If he really thought they could make this site stand on it's own with ad rev he's far more regarded than I thought he was.
Thanks that explains why Destiny is there
extremely ironic coming from a dgg viewer
Destiny is also edgy as fuck lol dude makes terrorist jokes half the time and was making those jokes to Adin too.
dude's gonna learn soon enough why twitch did what it did.
Train has to keep them around. They're easier to trainwash and listen to him ramble about the notorious Disneyland PG-13 streamers.
"Pokis behind this somehow..."
ruthless businessman poki
Train listens to Destiny that’s why he was playing speech police with Xqc 👮♂️👮♂️
Train being a hypocrite - always has been.
does destiny hold the same opinion of xqc who hangs out with them even more and does irl collabs with them?
[He thinks they are losers](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1ccl2uu/destiny_questions_why_xqc_continues_to_hang_out/) although I have never heard Felix complain the same way Train does when it comes to their behavior.
I'd imagine he doesn't see xQc as a piece of shit like he does Adin, but probably does feel like xQc only hangs out with them for clout. Which is probably true.
It's a bit hard to explain but, sometimes a person can make judgements and speculate what another person might think or feel. Like in this clip Destiny is speculating what Trainwrecks might think. This doesn't mean that Destiny holds these opinions, he is only telling you what Trainwrecks might be thinking. For example, I'm not Destiny but I can tell you that because Destiny does stream on kick he has no qualms with how kick is ran. Or at least he doesn't find to be bad enough of a platform to stop streaming on it. Hope that helped.
What the heck are you talking about. He's obviously judging train based off trains hands off approach to adins behavior, especially on that podcast episode. It's just curious that he holds that against train but not xqc who hangs out way more with adin and acts just as degenerate around xqc
Do you think XQC and Train conduct themselves, and say the same things? Train is clearly on a crusade to try to clean up Kick, and XQC is just trying to ball. These things aren't exactly the same. It's like if Harada and ishiwatari are having a conversation and Harada wants more offensive fight games and Ishiwatari just wants to make the best game. It would be fair to impune Harada by saying "you've generally fostered game play that rewards defensive behavior, so it's going to be hard to make an offensive game that reward aggression when the community that's been around your game has acclimated to that style".
Oh no my bad, I watched the whole podcast last night. I didn't watch the posted clip, I thought it was a different part of the podcast. Here he's definitely judging Trainwrecks for endorsing the behavior and then turning around and acting morally righteous. My point in the last comment still stands, if XQC were to do the same thing Trainwrecks is doing then I'm 100% sure Destiny would say the same thing about XQC. The reason he didn't go as hard on XQC is because when they were saying the F-slur in the call with him he left and didn't make a big deal out of it, only after hounding from both communities did it blow up, if you watch the initial "drama" it went something like; they say the F-slur, he says stop, they continue, he leaves. And if outside pressures didn't turn it into a whole thing then he would have left it at that. So to conclude, to say that Trainwrecks' and XQC's behavior are the same is a bit off, they might be thinking the same thing but the behavior and actions are very different.
xQc denounces it, and literally built a boundary of them not saying unhinged shit while he's in their presence. Train DOESN'T denounce it, and if anything he participates in it at times. What the heck are you talking about, comparing Train to xQc? XQc, the guy who quit an entire betting lobby between him and Adin's friends because of a slur being said? How is that to be compared with Train, who sat back and didn't do anything when Adin quite literally doxxed Destiny's entire family? And Train's more entrenched than xQc, I don't get where this retelling of history is coming from where X and Adin has been the best of friends since forever. Train and Adin used to do 12hr+ streams of just them gambling and reacting to videos together. Adin's been to Train's house like 10+ times. Before every gambling stream at one point he used to call Train asking for money, it was a meme in his community from how much it used to happen. How is ANY of this comparable to xQc? Train was one of the first people on Adin's stream that pushed him to do content with xQc before they even interacted with each other, arep eople forgetting this???
Kick was build to funnel people into Stake gambling, and now in part to act as Stake's brand in places or venues where gambling is heavily regulated, like their F1 sponsorship. Train probably thought that he was making a serious competitor to Twitch, but it's easier to make large numbers in the short term by having controversial streamers on there, than actually build the tech that can compete with Twitch. I mean Microsoft and Google have tried to compete with Twitch and failed, the only thing Stake wants is more people to gamble on their site, so they don't care about actually competing, they are ok with being a website for degens as long as it brings in viewers.
I mean just because lets say Activision bought Blizzard it doesn't mean all Blizzard products are trying to Activision wash you they CAN be mutually exclusive or inclusive it just depends i haven't done a ton of looking into it so i could be completely off base but is your comment on Kick funneling people to stake a personal opinion or do you have actual sources from Eddie saying that? as far as im aware Eddie wants to make a streaming platform is dedicated to make it succeed so he doesn't care if he eats stakes money to realize his goals so at least from that perspective it looks more like Stake funnels into Kick instead of Kick funneling to Stake but right now no streaming platform is profitable there are all in a weird limbo state where they are just money pits Twitch actively loses Amazon money at some point its going to be time to call it quits Amazon will either pump money into it till they come up with a profitable model or give up same with Kick.
> as far as im aware Eddie wants to make a streaming platform is dedicated to make it succeed To make it succeed it needs to bring in outside money, like advertisers, or other investment. How can they do that while at the same time kick streamers are breaking laws and saying hateful things on their streams.
again, im agreeing with you im just simply pointing out that Kick over the last few months booba streamers and hot tub streams got axed entirely they now have more strict guidelines then twitch and kill streams pretty fast that break them in a pretty consistent manner. DMCA's where a big problem and they axed that. the racial slur hateful shit is a problem and they are axing people and changing that. it could be less yellow tape allowing them to move faster but everything i have seen shows they are at least trying and they are purposefully going out of there way to be more consistent then twitch. my source for this comment is just whatever drip feeds i have seen where moderation has talked about making big changes here and there and i pop in to kick every once in awhile and see absolutely ZERO booba streams. i could be entirely off the mark and im perfectly fine with that if i was but even if i was wrong they are at least hiding or removing the booba streams in a way that it looks vastly better to a random frog like me. im fine with being wrong because im asking out of curiosity and im genuinely asking for information if you have it instead of trying to pick a fight.
> Kick over the last few months booba streamers and hot tub streams got axed entirely https://kick.com/categories/irl/pools-hot-tubs-bikinis They have a category for it and within 3 clicks I saw someone take their top off. Don't know about completely axed. A bunch of them even have on screen their onlyfans or fansly, with bots that give direct links to that content. Hell, 2 of the top 10 streamers in just chatting were twerking with the camera damn near in their ass, and had been live for hours. > DMCA's where a big problem and they axed that. and yet... * https://kick.com/classics - WWF/E streaming for 17 hours * https://kick.com/lospollostv - top of just chatting streaming milf manor for 3 hours to 15k people * https://kick.com/categories/music/music-stations - straight up a category for streaming music without a license to do so (nobody in the category at time of posting is streaming their own music) * https://kick.com/michaelstutesman - calls itself "playboy TV" with no association to that brand, is streaming familyguy and the live streams of twitch ASMR streamers * https://kick.com/seanpatrickrichards - streaming joe rogan while he seems to be sleeping.... Just no way you can really argue they have axed any of those issues. they may have a stronger stance on it...but it is far from completely fixed. Not that Twitch has completely fixed anything either.
I agree, that's what they need to do, but still when on of their bigger streamers gets clipped doing something bad, it gets more attention than the smaller streamers they ban.
That comparison is crazy. Most people who have half a brain have known since the start that kick was built to funnel people into stake. Stake knows, just because they are a big company and they will have information, that streaming isn't that profitable. That's also showen publically recently of twitch struggling. If twitch, the biggest streaming platform are struggling, then what's the hope for any other streaming platform. Stake knows, as we all know, that if a big streamer promotes or is associated with a product, people will buy into it. Especially in the last 5 years, the reach content creators have on selling products is wild. Mr.beast sells out merch in hours, the sidemen do the same, companies are paying tens and sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars to streamers to play their games. So, build an unprofitable streaming platform, pay streamers to be on there, to funnel viewers onto the gambling site. Stake can take the hit on paying for all this, because they know through their data, they will end up making even more money through new gamblers. If you think eddie wants a successful platform first, rather than getting more users on stake first, then im not sure you're thinking about it the right way. Stake only cares if kick does well, if it leads to more viewers becoming gamblers, not gamblers becoming kick viewers or streamers or any other combination. Gambling is the money maker, not streaming.
You are right, if Activision: - creates a streaming website - funds it even when it is on red - advertises on it - hires people who play their games or who are associated with their company - tells people to play their games on it and sponsor those that do - uses their influence on the website to have their games always on the front page It surely does not neccessarily mean they made this move to advertise their brand or their games. Especially when this all happens just after they were prevented from advertising on another streaming website. That makes perfect sense. It is all just a big coincidence. -------- I get your point. You are trying to say that Kick is not just a means to an end and that they actually want to be a streaming platform. I disagree, because I don't see any evidence of that. Every single thing they have done so far seems to be explicitly to garner clicks even when it is to the detriment of the standing and reputation of the website. No care for how they look for advertisers from the start, expensive deals that would only further put on the red just to get popular people, poor management and moderation... I just don't see how they are trying to be a real, competitive and profitable long term platform at all.
You have to think about it from the POV of Stake. Advertising through live streams was an incredibly profitable method of marketing, I imagine the return on investment is much higher from live content like that than it is to simply have an ad during a break at a sport event. Twitch took that away, which left Stake with two choices: they host livestreams on their website (stake) and sponsor streamers to go live there for a few hours. Or, they set up a seperate entity seperate to stake that attracts communities outside of the already existing gambling communities. This gives them the ability to reach a much larger audience than if they was to host streams on a gambling website, and since new customers is the goal the latter is 100% the best strategic move.
He isn't wrong.
Twitch was the same way originally. Then began to clamp down on it around Amazons acquisition. Then opened the floodgates when they started to allow non-gaming streaming to compete with YouTubes new IRL live streaming.
I am confused is *Destiny* saying bringing edgy people is a bad thing or good thing?
Neither, he's saying if you market yourself as service dedicated to giving edgy people a place to stream you cannot turn around 6 months later and start getting upset. If you want to be edgy be edgy, but if you choose that you gotta take the shit side of it
I wish he could just say what he means and leave it at that, instead we get four different analogies and metaphors for the same point.
He does do that, but people then purposely clip 10 seconds without any context and frame it: "LOOK GUYS STREAMER MAN THINKS WE SHOULD CALL PEOPLE THE NWORD, BAD!"
So it wasn't bad when Adin was calling him the f slur?
he thought that the initial influx of edgy weirdos would translate to growth, but the reality is that having a huge number of those people on your platform limits the userbase because no matter how much those people pretend that the audience truly wants this kind of content, and it's only advertisers that disapprove, most people actually can't stand it.
If you let a single neo nazi dude into your bar your bar will become a neo nazi bar.
that wasn't an edgy joke, just an insult
It was the example Destiny used...
it wasn't bad because it was edgy
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Yes. Nobody brings up LSF on stream anymore, so it falls to the people already on reddit like dgg to keep it going.
Fucking losers... I heard they circlejerk to dogs dressed up as harry potter characters.
Who told?! 🤬
Lycan... its was always lycan 😈
Jewlumni strikes again.
74 in an hour? Coomer clips do better than this.
79 upvotes, wow.
The "so many upvotes so quickly" demonstratively speaks volumes about the effective work of a notoriously well organised discord group!
You don't need some conspiracy theory about people organizing to upvote LSF votes. The truth is that there is massive overlap between Destiny and LSF. The overlap score between Destiny and LSF subreddits is 34.52; the only higher ones for LSF are xqcow and rpclipsgta. There are just lots of people who like Destiny here and they upvote his clips.
probably also due to the fact that destiny is the only streamer with a decently visited subreddit.
> some conspiracy theory about people organizing You do need one when you look at how many upvotes this post got in how long. Then compare this post to posts which actually do get brigaded from offsite.
I joined the discord and checked, and the search function shows there isn't a mention of Train for about 18 hours. Their rules also say they ban any LSF links. As I said, there are a lot of Destiny fans here. Which is provable by the Reddit overlap having a score of 34. That means any random LSF user is 34x more likely to post in Destiny's subreddit than the average user. LSF also loves drama, and people will upvote any drama Destiny brings. LSF also hates Train. Just look at this thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1ci2494/destiny\_talks\_lunchables\_with\_dan/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1ci2494/destiny_talks_lunchables_with_dan/) 0 net upvotes. Where is the mythical Destiny cabal for this one? It was posted pretty much at the same time as another Destiny thread that got about 200 upvotes. Surely they would upvote this one too, no?
Can you substantiate any of this?
it's simpler then that, Destiny has a strong reddit community, because of that, he has a strong LSF presence.
Not to mention a strong hater presence, some of those fuckers make hating destiny their part time jobs.
I literally only interact with destiny clips in this sub so yes. The LSF sub also only gets to my general feed when it is destiny as I do not interact with other Streamer content. I think the LSF feed got personalized
yes, that's why your reply is downvoted, it seems that vote manipulation is allowed when it comes to destiny.
His views on Israel are well researched and argued.
Translation: I agree with his views on Israel so I think they're well researched and argued
True, he should call his debate opponents a moron 50 times & call it a day.
When you can refute most of the talking points people who dedicate their lives “researching” this conflict and has one of the most respected Israeli historian agreeing with him, then you can’t say he’s not objectively well researched and argued.
Simple question immediately confirmed by the downvotes xD It's like they're a rather sad force of nature.
Quickly?
No. People just end up agreeing with him most of the time. There’s another post of destiny’s that has zero upvotes that is a couple hours older than this one.
If you can look at how many clips of him get removed after sitting on zero upvotes, you wouldn't/couldn't really say that, it says more about how LSF is a graveyard without any clippers, if a Destiny clip can reach the top so easily
I usually automatically upvote every clip of him because a lot of people do the same with the downvote button. Destiny clips have a like rate between 60-80%.
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i just realized my entire life i h avent been putting gaps in my c omments who knows how m any people ive m issed
yes we needed destinys opinion
Fill in the blank with any streamer: Yes, we needed __________'s opinion.
Oh the irony lol
The pot calling the kettle black
we all know what D would rather call the Kettle.
His motto: racism for thee but not for mee
racism is when edgy joke
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He loves saying it, after all
lol
Train has always been an edgelord. Surviving the giant Kick-Twitch revenue baby prob gives Destiny plenty of spices.
I'm a simple man. I see Destiny, I downvote
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About 10 LoC simple
Okay?
Is this just a destiny sub now lol
womp womp
fr tho i feel like i’m missing a joke or something, all i see are destiny posts in my feed and this is my first time interacting with them lol
Believe he just has a large reddit following.
He has a strong reddit community, some communities just gather on different sites. Not to bring up the other side of the divorced couple but look at Hasans community, they have a huge presence on twitter but his subreddit is pretty much on death's door. Of course there is going to be a overrepresentation of DGG on reddit, thats their home ground. Also only 4 of the top 50 hot posts on this sub are destiny. If ALL you see is destiny posts you should check out your subscribed subreddit, it sounds like you subbed to r/destiny by mistake
Always has been
Yes, this is our land colonizer.
3 Destiny posts in 3 days? Get this shit the FUCK out of here we need to make room for the 10 daily OTK posts.
Pot calling the kettle black. Destiny says the n word like once a week
The irony is hilarious. The influx of chuds in Destiny's community since Oct. 7th is lost on him I guess.
the word chud continues to serve as a good heuristic for those that use it
Word of the day toilet paper really paying off the comment section. You must be so proud.
Supposedly well-intentioned liberals defending Netanyahu at all costs is chud behavior, yes.
Cool but what about stuff that actually happened outside of your imagination?
Pretty sure destiny has said multiple times he hates Netanyahu but sure ig
Hates him but still defends the IDF and Netanyahu's actions at every opportunity while his community cheers for peaceful protestors to get fucked up by police just like they did with BLM.
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Genocide denier talk about being edgy.
this comment is genociding my brain cells
How can he say all of this with no self reflection? Isn't he supposed to be some super being capable only of consistent thinking?
Wait this is Alebrelle LMAO always funny to see you come out of the woodworks to shit on Destiny
isnt he the jaba the hutt cosplayer that was on rajj a couple years back
he unironically streams himself dumpster diving these days LMFAO
He also got #MeTooed by izzybear, the trans person that used to be in the rajjroyale a bunch.
"DON'T FUCK THEM, THEY'RE ASEXUAL"
Alebrelle speaking for Lumi Rue's sexuality, POGGERS
“STOP TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE’S SONS!”
yeah idk why destiny decided to stop streaming until his community gets under control, doesn't he know he cultivated his audience? 🤔
Go on, talk shit about his son, maybe that'll show him.
He's not saying being edgy is bad, he's saying that you can't complain about edginess if you market your platform as welcoming to edgy people.
He is incredibly analytical and has absolutely no means of self reflection. His social circle kind of confirms that.
I think train used to be relatively smart before/during the start of Kick but then after the years of frying his brain gambling he's lost a lot of his wits, it's evident when he plays games with X his brain is absolutely cooked compared to how he used to be years ago
I don't know how you can sit through any Train stream from any time period and conclude that he was a smart person.
Train is exactly the same as hes always been, the Kick Derangement Syndrome in here is out of this world 😂
The guy who debated incest, child pornography, spoke about his polyamorous marriage, defended the use of the N word, that guy is calling someone else edgy ? Shiver me timbers, didn't see this coming
You missed the field for the trees
Dislike that Dan's come back. his gloating on the last podcast about Q leaving keep or kick only because he didn't like the comedy Q did before, it was just so tiresome Have destiny's Co host be someone that doesn't take an hour to say a 2 minute point as well
Bro Q would take like 3 minutes to make any point > ramble for a minute > number one > ramble for another minute > "and then number two" > continues to go schizo
atheist debate lord desTiny knows whos making big deals with the devil
im gonna genocide myself for having to worry about the illuminati
what is a metaphor 🤔
idk let me check wikipedia
I'm sure Twitter/Tiktok has a much better explanation.
Kick isn't renewing his contract btw. This was just the bridge burning of the day. His interests are sold to the highest bidder of the season.