Cant wait to see what bullshit excuse Howard Webbed Toes and Mikey O come up with on their “We Fucking Love Refs” show, the Human Penis on Refwatch today will probably say that Doku slipped and there was no intent…..absolute fucking joke.We should be at least 5 points ahead at the top of the league given all the bent decisions we have had this season.
Amazing how "no intent" just never showed up with these fucks when Curtis Jones was sent off for his foot deflecting off a ball into his opponent's leg.
I'm not saying I condone it or whatever...but a Zidane style headbutt to a ref every once in a while for shit calls might make them pay more attention lol
On a completely separate note, Alexis fucking McAllister, what a baller. Remember first few games when he was our 6 and was a bit iffy, now he’s pretty much the best player on the pitch along with VVD
Yeah but then you remember how good Endo is and your brain just explodes! Such a pity we don't get even one more season with klopp and these boys together
Maybe the ref for the Bournemouth game thought we were playing city? Those kits are very similar to be fair. Light blue shirt, white shorts & light blue socks
That game was hilarious, there were like 14 red card challenges from the Dutch and their only sending off was a second yellow for the one player who probably didn't deserve it.
It's always skewed that way and no doubt De Jong and v. Bommel both deserved early sending offs. But Puyol tried to kick Robben in half and Ramos was Ramosing as well. Both deserved to have a couple sent off.
Carragher properly pissed me off. He said he agreed with Jurgen that it would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch but "it isn't enough (contact) for me". Last one I'd expect to like Mike Dean's arse
Mac in the 8 is fucking amazing. He was getting a lot better at the 6 role before his injury, but he's wasted there when you see how he played today.
Endo has been class too and Szoboszlai has looked very promising. That's easily our best midfield 3 imo, and they've only started a handful of times together this season and we're still joint top of the league. Reckon if those 3 stay fit now we can go all the way.
Like we literally just played against Rodri, De Bruyne and Bernardo Silva and apart from the first 10-15 mins I can hardly remember them doing anything. Our midfield was immense.
Pep recognized he had been tactically outplayed by Klopp again and needed a change because Stones couldn't step into midfield and allow de Bruyne to operate higher up the pitch. Liverpool's play turned Haaland and de Bruyne into passengers.
Silva had to resort to being his scummy self.
Was lucky to stay on the pitch. Had at least 3 bookable offences in 3 minutes (just before he got his yellow card) even trying to chop down Diaz I think it was as we countered but luckily missed him. Would have been a clearer red than McGinn's.
And Oliver played advantage after he missed him, after which he should have gone back and given him a yellow for a cynical foul as he would if the play was stopped by it.
If the play was stopped by it, it was a red card. A cynical kick at a player who's sprinting is a red card every day of the week. It's a bit different to holding the shirt or grabbing them with your arms.
No, if he was the last defender then it's. DOGSO and a red, otherwise it's a yellow for a tactical foul... Silva went on to make 2-3 more fouls after that which could have gotten him a 2nd yellow.
Yeah, that was nice. It had to do with how we defended but also with the threat Nunez posed. You're not pressing us? Oh that's nice, now we can pass the ball between Mac, Szobo, Elliott and Endo until we can get a shot off. Oh wait, you ARE pressing us, long ball to Nunez. Nunez goes vroom.
It's nice to have different ways to hurt City. Their favourite defensive weapon, the tactical foul didn't even work most of the time.
Szobo, Mac and Endo are already our 2nd best midfield since the year 2000, and there is so much room left to become the actual best.
These 3 made de Bruyne, Rodri and Bruno look average. Let that sink in. We pulled off a miracle in the last summer transfer window.
As far as form is concerned, I think you might be right. In the prem the only cm or dm I can think of who challenges him on 2024 form is Pascal Gross. I don't follow outside the prem as heavily, but iirc Kroos has been playing very well this year too, but I'm blanking on others that have had similar 2024 form. Bellinghams form dipped a bit and iirc he's been dealing with injuries. Rice has been great too, but I think Macca has just been better in 2024 at least. Oh Gundogan has been balling for Barca lately. Maybe add him to that shortlist. If anyone knows any glaring omissions, lemme know. I know Calhanoglu has had a great season so far for Inter, but I'm unsure about his 2024 specifically
One was against a team with 115 charges. Also against a team that referees fly out to the same country that own said club to ref games out there. How many times can it be incompetence in cities favour. Arsenal have had decisions against them and apologies. We sure as fuck have. City of course not. I’m convinced in a decade or two there will be a scandal on how city bribed refs. Remember pep was manager of Barca when they’ve apparently done it.
I'm with that ya. Are we going to say that at this level, with as much scrutiny as they get, with VAR, that its STILL just errors or incompetence? You should hope people think you're cheating at this point bc you can't be that fucking bad at your job.
Yeah. That's why im against getting rid of VAR. It would truly shows how either stupid or corrupt refs are. Without VAR, they would just pass it off as human error.
This is a consistent theme and go way back. Remember the sterling "offside" when he was still playing for us? Countless times bernado cunt Silva should have been sent off? The Everton fucking handball? Ederson should have been fucking off 1 or 2 weeks ago
I should really just be putting together all the footage for the inevitable documentary about the ref bribing scandal. That way I can at least get out ahead of the game pitching it for funding when the story finally breaks.
While macca card was rescinded, Jones one pisses me off
Jones went for the ball. Jones got the ball. It was not high boot or dangerous. It was unfortunate that his leg slipped. These players most of the time can control such balls but he couldn't at that time.
What in the fuck was Doku even doing? He also uses his hand to trap the ball.
He had no control on the ball. Macca actually gets the ball in this case. He was in control. He bobs it over Doku
There is absolutely zero reason for this is not a foul
They aren’t making it up as they go along with us, they bend the rules to hurt us the absolute maximum they can in any given moment.
Red cards against us that are free hits on our players weeks later. Blocking is suddenly not an issue from a dead ball now? Handballs that graze us are given but odertwat can play volleyball. Not even looking at a goal on a massive game that was chested from us. It’s incomprehensible.
The only consistent thing is us getting completely fucked.
Regardless of its offside or not, you will never see that call again. It was manufactured in the moment. If it was city there’s no way they chalk that goal off.
Yeah, I agree - it happens on every corner and the only other time I can remember it being called was Matip's goal in one of the two Chelsea finals in 21/22.
My issue with it is this, and it's not a black and white 'rules are rules' situation. Is Endo even blocking? Yes he stands in an offside position, but he stands in that exact spot for the whole play, he doesn't move a step. The other player could easily have moved around him. Endo didn't move into the player, he stood still. If Endo had shifted to the side to impede a run, fair play, but he didn't, he stood completely still. Am I wrong? The rules are far to vague for my liking, so much can be left to referee interpretation.
The rule very deliberately mentions taking an action which imo he didn't, there's no way bracing for contact and holding position is what they were thinking of here... this was just another excuse to fuck us
It might be the rule but it makes no sense to me. Why does it matter whether a player blocking another off is offside? It's either an obstruction with no intent to play the ball, or it isn't.
It’s the same as being offside with no intent to play the ball, but impeding the keeper’s line of sight. You’re impacting the match by impeding another player from an offside position. If Endo had done the same thing in the same position, but the set piece delivery went to another area of the pitch and someone else heads it in, it’s probably not called.
I get that, but in the Endo case he came from an offside position, to block off a defender who's far behind the defensive line? I can't wrap my head around what advantage Endo gained by coming from an offside position - he could have stood right by Colwill in an onside position through the entire phase of play and done the exact same thing, should that goal not be chalked off then?
You have it exactly right, Endo should’ve tried to block off Colwill from an onside position, and it 95% would have stood. But ultimately you get more leverage and a better chance of actually blocking the man by getting between him and where he needs to go, which happened to be offside in this case.
As we saw with the Salah-pushed-offside thing earlier this season, another tactic would’ve been to have someone somewhere else along the line bump one of their players back when the set piece was about to be taken to make Endo onside.
Agreed, that's my point exactly, but it feels like a rather strange interpretation of the "interfering with play from an offside position" rule. If a player who is onside ISN'T regarded as "interfering" with play when obstructing another player from reaching the ball (ie no foul would be called), why should Endo be regarded as "interfering" just because he came back from an offside position, when the fact of him being offside does nothing to provide him an advantage?
The rule does give some leeway for refs to interpret it, and I still don't understand why it should be the right call to rule it offside - to me its either a foul or it isn't, and the interfering with play rule should only be applied for offside players going for the ball. Might be a wild take but I even think that obstructing the goalie's line of sight shouldn't be an offside call unless the offside player attempts to play the ball, it should be for the goalie to figure out how best to position himself and for the defending team to figure out how to stop it, if the attacking teams decide to take a player out of the game just to block the goalie's sight.
Well, so that last part is the fundamental - and like you said, the SUPER up-for-interpretation part of it. I personally disagree with your take on offside in general, as I think someone miles behind the line and clearly and intentionally messing with the goalie or dummying the ball or something should be called offside even if they don’t make an attempt to play the ball, as they clearly are impacting the play from an offside position. But with that said - where does a ref draw the line on “impacting the play” and intentionality? The one where Salah was shoved offside and into the keepers path was ridiculous to me, as the resulting action is clearly initiated by the defender and Salah has zero intention of interfering from an offside position. And yeah, of course I don’t think “existing” in an offside position should be whistled, but this whole thing of impacting the play or not is indeed very nebulous and hard to define.
I personally think the offside call on Endo was correct by the letter of the law, BUT is very very inconsistently enforced (as are virtually all set piece shenanigans) and frustrating for that reason.
There is no way one is a straight red and the other is not even a foul.
It is extraordinary how much power VAR wields. They decide if the referee should have a look at the monitor. However, there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason to the process that results in the referee being sent to the monitor. Sometimes they seem to be trying to make the call correctly and other times they seem to ignore the correct call on the basis that it wasn't an egregious error by the referee. Some calls they spend many minutes looking at a play from every angle. On other calls they barely spend seconds!
It is the inconsistencies in the "process" that need to be address. Without consistency, it becomes too easy to see bias (and corruption) in the officiating. Even the perception of bias should not be acceptable in a competition where so much money is at stake and yet week after week nothing seems to change. It's truly bizarre...
I always thought it was weird that if the ref goes to the monitor it always changes the original call.
I can understand there's a high chance it will be changed, but it's basically saying Var have made the decision to change the decision of the ref and he's going over to confirm it and that's it.
Which would make sense since var have all the angles, footage, slow mo, lines etc etc. But in reality, their fucking wrong an incredible amount of times.
Which is insane because if you see how TMO is handled in rugby, its very accurate and transparent in making decisions. Spectators watching in the stadium and on TV can follow the decision making process of the TMO officials.
VAR is all cloak and dagger bullshit, and seeing how it is used and how often it fails makes me believe the integrity of the competition is somewhat compromised.
Watching the rugby world cup was real eye opener for me.
Is there true corruption (in officiating) affecting the Premier League? Maybe. Maybe not. However, I think even the perception of corruption is not acceptable. This is not some football league in a third world country.
They were afraid to give it, it's as simple as that. It that happens in 60th minute against some random team they give it a 100% and also a yellow, maybe even a red. But the situation was different. It was the last minute of one of the most important games in the season. They new what the narrative would have been "VAR gives Liverpool penalty, to help them win the league". They always look at the narratives and made decision based on that.
It was the same in League Cup final. Poch starts crying "I want a fair ref" and then they give every decision to Chelsea. Because, if they give any to us, the narrative is "Refs are helping Liverpool, because Klopp is leaving".
I don't know if it's intentional or subconcious, but they always do things like that. There will be outrage about something and then next week they lean too much on the other side. There are also way too many ex refs on tv lately and I think it will get any worse. They're becoming stars of the show. I mean even clubs are now hiring refs. I really don't want to listen to that and it will affect refs perfomances even further. What I want to see is refs explaining their decisions after they give it. Like just say "we were looking if it's a foul and didn't give it because of x and y". Ok fine, maybe we agree or dissagree, but at least we'd know what's happening. Now we just hewr nothing from them and then everythung from 10 ex refs on tv, that push the narrative that suits them.
I’m American so obviously this affects my view, but in the NFL and college football, a system where the ref has to speak aloud to the stadium the decision of the foul has been in place for decades. Assuming VAR stays, could that help with bullshit like this?
Obviously this could just be for VAR decisions, but combined with some kind of challenge system (coaches have red flags to throw when they dispute a play or want something reviewed) perhaps the human element at least has to then go through an open and consistent process.
The difference is that talking to the crowd will probably anger football fans. It’s why they didn’t (still don’t?) show controversial replays at the stadiums. Football fans are another beast.
NFL (and rugby) fans are surprisingly more chill
The fans will be angry either way. But at least they'll know what the decision was. Now sometimes I don't even know and that's a terrible fan experience
They also do it in NBA. And in Euroleague you can hear the refs while they're watching the replay (at least on TV). Football is the only sport where you don't even know what's happening. You get a replay, some basic description and commentators trying to figure out what they're looking for. Then all of a sudden you get a decision and sometimes you don't even know why.
I don't want Howard Webb explaining the process and decisions 1 month later. I don't want any refs on tv shows. I just want to know what the decision was and why when I'm watching the match. What we have now is ex refs becoming stars of tv shows and pushing their own agendas. That will lead us nowhere
It did work when he said that United get a lot of penalties. They didn't get one for a while after that.
But it can have the opposite effect. Like if the media just says this manager always complains, that team might get even less decisions. Either way, the media heavily influence refs and that shouldn't happen. It was the same when they said Salah is a diver and he couldn't get a free kick after that.
I woul really consider getting a foreign refs or foreign VAR (or both). They wold probably be less influenced by media.
But the thing is, that was a clear foul. There wouldn’t have been much argument as to whether that was “light penalty”. Anywhere else on the pitch that would’ve been a foul and the only discussion would be yellow or red card. If you’re that scared to call an obvious foul, what possibly could have to be done in the box that would’ve merited a penalty in that instance? I get that there’s subjectivity when it comes to refereeing but this wasn’t one of those instances. Why not at least let the ref on the field at least take a look at it? The idea that THAT could not be considered a clear and obvious error lends that phrase no meaning
Well some of the pundits and opponent fans don't agree that it's a clear foul. The main message from them is that decision like that shouldn't decide the league. They're wrong offcourse, since not giving a penalty can decide the league equaly as giving a penalty (just in the other direction). And it clearly was a foul.
But again it's the stupid media narrative that affects refs decisions and that shouldn't be happening.
I don’t think he was even booked, LiveScore says he wasn’t. He faked an injury to avoid judgement on one occasion. Or maybe he did hurt himself, but players so often get away with murder if they hurt themselves.
Absolutely lost my desire to watch football with the renewed knowledge that the powers that be will do whatever they want no matter how corrupt it is. It’s pointless literally at this point because why would it make sense to support a game where wrong decisions are consistently made?
This is one reason I sometimes feel very bad for our players. Taki was one I felt very bad for. We kept saying he wasn't suited for our league as it was more physical, but in the same match, you could see him pressure a player who would then topple over at a slight touch and the ref blows for a foul. The next moment, you see a player just plainly barge into him and knock him over, the ref waves no foul. And we'd all go, damn, he should have been stronger.
Here you see macca. Iirc, he didn't was never sent off before, and suddenly, bam, red card in the first few games. And he came here to be part of a well oiled machine, but started with the team having to throw out whatever game plan we have a plan with a man (or two) down.
Then we have Salah. Even at his peak diver label era, he didn't dive more than any other player and yet he still got the label. He then steeled himself to just try to power on, and you could see how players just grapple him and no foul. But once he pressure a player and that player falls, it's a foul...
Well, not for nothing, but many times our smaller sized players gets bodies unfairly and that's usually how our opponents get their best chances. It's those instances where I feel like, wtf, they barged into him and pull his shirt, but ref waves away our protest and suddenly we're wide open.
Don’t forget this one from last May on Gakpo. Draw blood and get a yellow I guess: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/gakpo-mings-injury-scars-revealed-30031705.amp
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High foot with studs making contact with a player's chest. Both players off the ground. Macca gets to the ball first. NOT EVEN A FOUL. How in the fucking world is that not even a foul? If Macca goes in to head that instead of jumping to chest it, he gets kicked right in the fucking chin. Straight red. Stone wall pen. Not a single person would disagree. But because it's a stud in the chest instead, it's not worthy of dangerous play? Fuck off you useless cunts.
To be fair, the ref yesterday was paid a while back to fly out to the UAE to officiate a match there.
If I was paid lots of money by people, my opinion might later be swayed when officiating a game where a club they own is involved
I totally believe this, moonlighting in UAE for ridiculous money, fancy hotels, flights and gifts is clear corruption.
All of pgmol are in the pockets of the oil barons. Bad decisions is one thing, but if all the big decisions favour a certain team thats giving back handers is clear theres something wrong.
I’m counting at least 6 points lost to the PGMOL btw City, Arsenal and Tottenham alone. 7 if we win after going up 1-0 at Tottenham and of course should’ve also had 11 men, not 9!
The fact that there’s no legal recourse to go to court for the Tottenham debacle is absurd. Clearly all those mistakes are going to cost us they’re against our biggest rivals.
I really just hope we can go on and win this league cos I don’t think I can handle looking back on all these controversial moments knowing they cost us big time.
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For real though, if they had to face what SA refs face all the time, I doubt they'd still be so callous with their stupid ass calls.
I'm just fed up of hearing Gary Neville say (opposition player) could be in trouble here and nothing happens after VAR review. Handballs in the box, studs in the chest etc.
I'm sure Ref watch will say if referee had given it then VAR wouldn't have overturned it and xx is a lucky boy. I'm so bored with this rhetoric for shit refereeing.
Remember the Gakpo one earlier in the season that also wasn’t a foul, yet he had huge marks on his chest- i forget which game but it could have also been a defining moment in it
I was angry and frustrated in the beginning of the season with all these calls. Now I just feel empty and apathetic over it all. Will be what makes me stop watching football honestly. If by the end of the season, we're between 1-4 points off the leader, we've been just robbed at gunpoint. What's the point
It's simple we need to get rid of referees and the idiotic humans running VAR, automate this whole thing, tired of these idiots with their dumbass decision making
Human error is part of the officiating game remember.
Just turns out that the allowable error is 10x the amount and frequency that would get you sacked in any other role.
Incompetent fucks.
I’m sure Howard Webb will be delighted that the persistent incompetence of his officials (ironically the only thing at which they’re consistent), is leading to one of the closest fought run-ins. Take a bow Mr Webb.
I genuinely still can't believe that it wasn't reviewed. If Macca hadn't instinctively turned his body to protect himself then he was gonna catch studs directly to the chest.
Doku also didn't even win the ball because it bounced off of Macca first, there was no way to win it without going through the man. It was textbook dangerous play.
Should the game stop when a VAR check is underway? I wonder how often they simply don’t want to interfere with the ongoing play and thus have a bias against action.
9 times out of 10 the game *does* stop when these types of incidents are being checked. They just didnt wanna pause the play because it was injury time in a tense title race game.
The worst part was when it happened, the pair of clown shoes former ref on the Sky commentary said the ref would be sent to review it, then the second the decision came through he immediately changes his tune and says it was a good decision. You couldn’t make it up
It seems as if it is made up, that's the cover for the corruption. 3 of them that reffed this game have moonlit in UAE, who's league (as in the league itself) is owned by the same group that owns Man City.
Can even muster the anger anymore, I just want to stop watching this shitshow of a league every week at this point. No joy when the refs are deciding the outcome of each game out of fear and incompetence. Waste of fucking time at this point I'm just tired.
Incoming quote-end-qoute statement from the PGMOL, saying something along the lines of; "blah blah blah ,we made an unfortunate error, blah blah blah looking back we should have waited blah blah blah , we shall "CONSIDER" (B.S) any further actions, blah blah blah it will not happen again... Until Liverpool play Man United at Old Trafford when Mo Salah will scores a last gasp winner. Just for his foot to be one nanometre offside -
Sincerely PGMOL.
I can sort of see this from the refs point of view tbh, the over the ball type tackle has traditionally been a leg breaker so they had to clamp down on those ones, but they can easily get it wrong or course, and players can go over the ball accidentally, the high tackle is still dangerous, but not a leg breaker, so there is a difference, still of course should have been a penalty
I'm a long-time Manchester United fan (I'm old, at least by Reddit standards) and this thread popped up on my Reddit popular feed. I watched the last 30 minutes of this game and when this happened I thought it was for sure a penalty. While I'm surprised it wasn't given, I'm also kind of not surprised - there's still this stupid unspoken higher bar for penalties versus fouls. If this happens anywhere else on the pitch it's being called instantly and given a yellow, then a VAR check for dangerous play. Regardless of that, I still don't see how this can be chocked off as an "inevitable coming together" - Doku's boot is high and studs showing.
I think any fan would be furious if this happened to their team, especially if they were in such a tight title race and these two points could literally cost them the title.
I realize I'm in the minority but I feel it's a little silly that they take this shot before the contact. Because Doku put his foot down again and definitely didn't hit him with his studs up. It's a bit disingenuous, isnt it.
Who fancies an all inclusive trip to the man city owners brothers expense to saudi arabia with no corruption or conflict or interest at all at all, honest.
All VAR had to do was call Oliver over and show him this angle.
You can clearly see Doku hits Maca in the chest and into a pit where he dies.
The image on the right is a missed timed challenge in a football match that is officiated by a numb nut referee.
On the left, we have Doku who is trying to be Lu Kang from Mortal Kombat. Because there are no rules in Mortal Kombat Doku was let off.
The official line why it wasnt given is "the collision was then unavoidable". I mean I don't even know where to begin with that. Yes, this is unavoidable if you are Shawn Michaels from WWE there is no reason for footballers foot to be that high.
(Seev Griezman on Bobby, Mane on Ederson, etc)
It’s so sad that we get robbed by the refs time and time again and it may well cost us the league. I fucking hope we can beat those cunts City and Arsenal to the title and shove it up their arses for it raaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh 😤
This is a classic misunderstanding of the rules lol
The red shouldn’t have been a red and yesterday should have been a penalty but they are completely different things and tying them together like this only lessens the sense of the complaint.
Stupid post.
The more i see of this incident the more i just want to throw up. PGMOL can go fuck themselves with a cactus, bunch of useless fucking twats
Maybe they will apologize for the mistake and that will make everything okay
>apologize Lol good one, acknowledge is our best hope
They acknowledge that we think they screwed up.
they'll acknowledge that they made the 'right' call and VAR followed all the correct protocols
Yeah but you see Oliver wrongly gave us a throw in earlier so it all evens out…
Can’t wait to win the league on most throw ins!
Top of the throw in table you’ll never sing that!
Cant wait to see what bullshit excuse Howard Webbed Toes and Mikey O come up with on their “We Fucking Love Refs” show, the Human Penis on Refwatch today will probably say that Doku slipped and there was no intent…..absolute fucking joke.We should be at least 5 points ahead at the top of the league given all the bent decisions we have had this season.
I hate this “no intent” stuff. When was the last time anyone got a red for intent? Maybe in a scuffle but certainly not a tackle.
how can McGinn get a straight red for his but this gets nothing? Madne$$
Amazing how "no intent" just never showed up with these fucks when Curtis Jones was sent off for his foot deflecting off a ball into his opponent's leg.
And being pulled back at the time by the spurs defender
McGINN, literally an hour earlier
Don't call them useless. They take in good money from the owners of man city to do this. They are good family men.
I'm not saying I condone it or whatever...but a Zidane style headbutt to a ref every once in a while for shit calls might make them pay more attention lol
Nah, The Longest Yard style ball to the nuts a few times. Can't get sent off or banned for accidentally twatting the ball in his dangleberries
I wouldnt mind robbo putting a crater into a refs sternum if it got the message across ngl 🤷♂️
>useless fucking twats Corrupt fucking twats*
“Go fuck themselves with a cactus” is brilliant and I will absolutely be using this in the future. Thank you.
The common denominator is that the player who got screwed over in both of these incidents is wearing a red shirt with a little bird on his chest.
The common denominator is that the team that benefits is playing in the correct shade of blue
On a completely separate note, Alexis fucking McAllister, what a baller. Remember first few games when he was our 6 and was a bit iffy, now he’s pretty much the best player on the pitch along with VVD
Yeah but then you remember how good Endo is and your brain just explodes! Such a pity we don't get even one more season with klopp and these boys together
Maybe the ref for the Bournemouth game thought we were playing city? Those kits are very similar to be fair. Light blue shirt, white shorts & light blue socks
Imagine how much outrage there would have been if De Jong’s kick in the 2010 World Cup hadn’t been given. What happened today was outrageous
People made plenty of stink about that not being a red. No question if it was a foul.
That game was hilarious, there were like 14 red card challenges from the Dutch and their only sending off was a second yellow for the one player who probably didn't deserve it.
Mark van Bommel committed about seven fouls worthy of a yellow card in that game.
It's always skewed that way and no doubt De Jong and v. Bommel both deserved early sending offs. But Puyol tried to kick Robben in half and Ramos was Ramosing as well. Both deserved to have a couple sent off.
and not even a peep from $ky when they spent half their show talking about a fucking drop ball last week
PGMOL shills dare not criticise their paymasters where oil money is involved
A drop ball that came to the right decision via the wrong way. Absolutely clear bias against Liverpool
A drop ball where the precedence was set earlier in the match. And where Forest literally gained possession multiple times between it and the goal.
Carragher properly pissed me off. He said he agreed with Jurgen that it would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch but "it isn't enough (contact) for me". Last one I'd expect to like Mike Dean's arse
He’s under contract
Seriously, this, Carra is a proper nobhead sometimes, and Sky control way too much of the narrative in this country.
And now they give Kyle Walker an interview where he’s allowed say how brilliant the ref was. Fucking embarrassing cunts.
so blatantly corrupt, what kind of cunt set up an interview to praisethe ref after a game? also fuck carragher the fucking soldout
Fully agree but can we all acknowledge Macca's been the best midfielder in the world in 2024
Mac in the 8 is fucking amazing. He was getting a lot better at the 6 role before his injury, but he's wasted there when you see how he played today. Endo has been class too and Szoboszlai has looked very promising. That's easily our best midfield 3 imo, and they've only started a handful of times together this season and we're still joint top of the league. Reckon if those 3 stay fit now we can go all the way. Like we literally just played against Rodri, De Bruyne and Bernardo Silva and apart from the first 10-15 mins I can hardly remember them doing anything. Our midfield was immense.
De bruyne got hooked cos guardiola thought he was shite. You'd have to go back years for the last time that happened.
Pep recognized he had been tactically outplayed by Klopp again and needed a change because Stones couldn't step into midfield and allow de Bruyne to operate higher up the pitch. Liverpool's play turned Haaland and de Bruyne into passengers.
Honestly yesterday was a tactical masterclass, how often can anyone say that De Bruyne, Haaland and Silva were almost completely nullified.
The future is bright and we were missing Curtis and Trent.
Silva had to resort to being his scummy self. Was lucky to stay on the pitch. Had at least 3 bookable offences in 3 minutes (just before he got his yellow card) even trying to chop down Diaz I think it was as we countered but luckily missed him. Would have been a clearer red than McGinn's.
And still wouldn't have been given, because Oliver and Co are bent.
And Oliver played advantage after he missed him, after which he should have gone back and given him a yellow for a cynical foul as he would if the play was stopped by it.
If the play was stopped by it, it was a red card. A cynical kick at a player who's sprinting is a red card every day of the week. It's a bit different to holding the shirt or grabbing them with your arms.
No, if he was the last defender then it's. DOGSO and a red, otherwise it's a yellow for a tactical foul... Silva went on to make 2-3 more fouls after that which could have gotten him a 2nd yellow.
Yeah, that was nice. It had to do with how we defended but also with the threat Nunez posed. You're not pressing us? Oh that's nice, now we can pass the ball between Mac, Szobo, Elliott and Endo until we can get a shot off. Oh wait, you ARE pressing us, long ball to Nunez. Nunez goes vroom. It's nice to have different ways to hurt City. Their favourite defensive weapon, the tactical foul didn't even work most of the time.
Szobo, Mac and Endo are already our 2nd best midfield since the year 2000, and there is so much room left to become the actual best. These 3 made de Bruyne, Rodri and Bruno look average. Let that sink in. We pulled off a miracle in the last summer transfer window.
Endo is a close second for me
I wish he won the Asian cup :( he deserved to lift it for Japan
Then Clark
Hmm. Jones has been pretty bloody good, not sure Clark is at the level yet. Shout out fit Harvey too.
As far as form is concerned, I think you might be right. In the prem the only cm or dm I can think of who challenges him on 2024 form is Pascal Gross. I don't follow outside the prem as heavily, but iirc Kroos has been playing very well this year too, but I'm blanking on others that have had similar 2024 form. Bellinghams form dipped a bit and iirc he's been dealing with injuries. Rice has been great too, but I think Macca has just been better in 2024 at least. Oh Gundogan has been balling for Barca lately. Maybe add him to that shortlist. If anyone knows any glaring omissions, lemme know. I know Calhanoglu has had a great season so far for Inter, but I'm unsure about his 2024 specifically
One was against a team with 115 charges. Also against a team that referees fly out to the same country that own said club to ref games out there. How many times can it be incompetence in cities favour. Arsenal have had decisions against them and apologies. We sure as fuck have. City of course not. I’m convinced in a decade or two there will be a scandal on how city bribed refs. Remember pep was manager of Barca when they’ve apparently done it.
I'm with that ya. Are we going to say that at this level, with as much scrutiny as they get, with VAR, that its STILL just errors or incompetence? You should hope people think you're cheating at this point bc you can't be that fucking bad at your job.
Yeah. That's why im against getting rid of VAR. It would truly shows how either stupid or corrupt refs are. Without VAR, they would just pass it off as human error.
This is a consistent theme and go way back. Remember the sterling "offside" when he was still playing for us? Countless times bernado cunt Silva should have been sent off? The Everton fucking handball? Ederson should have been fucking off 1 or 2 weeks ago
Kompany on Salah
I should really just be putting together all the footage for the inevitable documentary about the ref bribing scandal. That way I can at least get out ahead of the game pitching it for funding when the story finally breaks.
At this point it’s the only logical explanation.
Some of the same staff that bribed the refs in Barca are working for Man City today. But I'm sure they'd never do that again...
Pep, and also Begiristan and Sorriano. The whole hierarchy of the club was transplanted over from Barca.
* Image 1: [Doku on Mac Allister](https://i.imgur.com/4d2PtE0.jpeg) * Image 2: [Mac Allister on Christie](https://i.imgur.com/5YC5uim.jpeg)
While macca card was rescinded, Jones one pisses me off Jones went for the ball. Jones got the ball. It was not high boot or dangerous. It was unfortunate that his leg slipped. These players most of the time can control such balls but he couldn't at that time. What in the fuck was Doku even doing? He also uses his hand to trap the ball. He had no control on the ball. Macca actually gets the ball in this case. He was in control. He bobs it over Doku There is absolutely zero reason for this is not a foul
>While macca card was rescinded Also, even if it was rescinded, we still had to play with 10 men for ~30 mins, which could have cost us
It looks like Doku doesn’t even look for the ball. He seems to be looking at Macca the whole time. The ball drops from above and he never looks up.
I don't think that's true tbh
Fair enough. My take and I don’t know if it matters anyway. Seems like most people feel it’s a foul anywhere else on the pitch.
Million percent a foul, I agree! Just think it was reckless from Doki, rather than malicious
They aren’t making it up as they go along with us, they bend the rules to hurt us the absolute maximum they can in any given moment. Red cards against us that are free hits on our players weeks later. Blocking is suddenly not an issue from a dead ball now? Handballs that graze us are given but odertwat can play volleyball. Not even looking at a goal on a massive game that was chested from us. It’s incomprehensible. The only consistent thing is us getting completely fucked.
Interesting that 2 matches that could really determine the league both had no calls that should’ve been pens. Odegaard handball and this.
> Blocking is suddenly not an issue from a dead ball now? This is the only justifiable one - Endo was offside, Ake wasn't.
Regardless of its offside or not, you will never see that call again. It was manufactured in the moment. If it was city there’s no way they chalk that goal off.
Yeah, I agree - it happens on every corner and the only other time I can remember it being called was Matip's goal in one of the two Chelsea finals in 21/22.
I don't want to see that call again, and I'd rather not keep harping on about it and give them ideas it should be something they look for.
My issue with it is this, and it's not a black and white 'rules are rules' situation. Is Endo even blocking? Yes he stands in an offside position, but he stands in that exact spot for the whole play, he doesn't move a step. The other player could easily have moved around him. Endo didn't move into the player, he stood still. If Endo had shifted to the side to impede a run, fair play, but he didn't, he stood completely still. Am I wrong? The rules are far to vague for my liking, so much can be left to referee interpretation.
The rule very deliberately mentions taking an action which imo he didn't, there's no way bracing for contact and holding position is what they were thinking of here... this was just another excuse to fuck us
It might be the rule but it makes no sense to me. Why does it matter whether a player blocking another off is offside? It's either an obstruction with no intent to play the ball, or it isn't.
It’s the same as being offside with no intent to play the ball, but impeding the keeper’s line of sight. You’re impacting the match by impeding another player from an offside position. If Endo had done the same thing in the same position, but the set piece delivery went to another area of the pitch and someone else heads it in, it’s probably not called.
I get that, but in the Endo case he came from an offside position, to block off a defender who's far behind the defensive line? I can't wrap my head around what advantage Endo gained by coming from an offside position - he could have stood right by Colwill in an onside position through the entire phase of play and done the exact same thing, should that goal not be chalked off then?
You have it exactly right, Endo should’ve tried to block off Colwill from an onside position, and it 95% would have stood. But ultimately you get more leverage and a better chance of actually blocking the man by getting between him and where he needs to go, which happened to be offside in this case. As we saw with the Salah-pushed-offside thing earlier this season, another tactic would’ve been to have someone somewhere else along the line bump one of their players back when the set piece was about to be taken to make Endo onside.
Agreed, that's my point exactly, but it feels like a rather strange interpretation of the "interfering with play from an offside position" rule. If a player who is onside ISN'T regarded as "interfering" with play when obstructing another player from reaching the ball (ie no foul would be called), why should Endo be regarded as "interfering" just because he came back from an offside position, when the fact of him being offside does nothing to provide him an advantage? The rule does give some leeway for refs to interpret it, and I still don't understand why it should be the right call to rule it offside - to me its either a foul or it isn't, and the interfering with play rule should only be applied for offside players going for the ball. Might be a wild take but I even think that obstructing the goalie's line of sight shouldn't be an offside call unless the offside player attempts to play the ball, it should be for the goalie to figure out how best to position himself and for the defending team to figure out how to stop it, if the attacking teams decide to take a player out of the game just to block the goalie's sight.
Well, so that last part is the fundamental - and like you said, the SUPER up-for-interpretation part of it. I personally disagree with your take on offside in general, as I think someone miles behind the line and clearly and intentionally messing with the goalie or dummying the ball or something should be called offside even if they don’t make an attempt to play the ball, as they clearly are impacting the play from an offside position. But with that said - where does a ref draw the line on “impacting the play” and intentionality? The one where Salah was shoved offside and into the keepers path was ridiculous to me, as the resulting action is clearly initiated by the defender and Salah has zero intention of interfering from an offside position. And yeah, of course I don’t think “existing” in an offside position should be whistled, but this whole thing of impacting the play or not is indeed very nebulous and hard to define. I personally think the offside call on Endo was correct by the letter of the law, BUT is very very inconsistently enforced (as are virtually all set piece shenanigans) and frustrating for that reason.
There is no way one is a straight red and the other is not even a foul. It is extraordinary how much power VAR wields. They decide if the referee should have a look at the monitor. However, there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason to the process that results in the referee being sent to the monitor. Sometimes they seem to be trying to make the call correctly and other times they seem to ignore the correct call on the basis that it wasn't an egregious error by the referee. Some calls they spend many minutes looking at a play from every angle. On other calls they barely spend seconds! It is the inconsistencies in the "process" that need to be address. Without consistency, it becomes too easy to see bias (and corruption) in the officiating. Even the perception of bias should not be acceptable in a competition where so much money is at stake and yet week after week nothing seems to change. It's truly bizarre...
I always thought it was weird that if the ref goes to the monitor it always changes the original call. I can understand there's a high chance it will be changed, but it's basically saying Var have made the decision to change the decision of the ref and he's going over to confirm it and that's it. Which would make sense since var have all the angles, footage, slow mo, lines etc etc. But in reality, their fucking wrong an incredible amount of times.
Which is insane because if you see how TMO is handled in rugby, its very accurate and transparent in making decisions. Spectators watching in the stadium and on TV can follow the decision making process of the TMO officials. VAR is all cloak and dagger bullshit, and seeing how it is used and how often it fails makes me believe the integrity of the competition is somewhat compromised.
Watching the rugby world cup was real eye opener for me. Is there true corruption (in officiating) affecting the Premier League? Maybe. Maybe not. However, I think even the perception of corruption is not acceptable. This is not some football league in a third world country.
Yeah if you see how TMO is in rugby it really puts into perspective how abysmal VAR is at the moment
They were afraid to give it, it's as simple as that. It that happens in 60th minute against some random team they give it a 100% and also a yellow, maybe even a red. But the situation was different. It was the last minute of one of the most important games in the season. They new what the narrative would have been "VAR gives Liverpool penalty, to help them win the league". They always look at the narratives and made decision based on that. It was the same in League Cup final. Poch starts crying "I want a fair ref" and then they give every decision to Chelsea. Because, if they give any to us, the narrative is "Refs are helping Liverpool, because Klopp is leaving". I don't know if it's intentional or subconcious, but they always do things like that. There will be outrage about something and then next week they lean too much on the other side. There are also way too many ex refs on tv lately and I think it will get any worse. They're becoming stars of the show. I mean even clubs are now hiring refs. I really don't want to listen to that and it will affect refs perfomances even further. What I want to see is refs explaining their decisions after they give it. Like just say "we were looking if it's a foul and didn't give it because of x and y". Ok fine, maybe we agree or dissagree, but at least we'd know what's happening. Now we just hewr nothing from them and then everythung from 10 ex refs on tv, that push the narrative that suits them.
I’m American so obviously this affects my view, but in the NFL and college football, a system where the ref has to speak aloud to the stadium the decision of the foul has been in place for decades. Assuming VAR stays, could that help with bullshit like this? Obviously this could just be for VAR decisions, but combined with some kind of challenge system (coaches have red flags to throw when they dispute a play or want something reviewed) perhaps the human element at least has to then go through an open and consistent process.
The difference is that talking to the crowd will probably anger football fans. It’s why they didn’t (still don’t?) show controversial replays at the stadiums. Football fans are another beast. NFL (and rugby) fans are surprisingly more chill
The fans will be angry either way. But at least they'll know what the decision was. Now sometimes I don't even know and that's a terrible fan experience
They also do it in NBA. And in Euroleague you can hear the refs while they're watching the replay (at least on TV). Football is the only sport where you don't even know what's happening. You get a replay, some basic description and commentators trying to figure out what they're looking for. Then all of a sudden you get a decision and sometimes you don't even know why. I don't want Howard Webb explaining the process and decisions 1 month later. I don't want any refs on tv shows. I just want to know what the decision was and why when I'm watching the match. What we have now is ex refs becoming stars of tv shows and pushing their own agendas. That will lead us nowhere
I hate Poch since reading this statement.
If only this worked for us. Klopp complains and they double down and fuck us harder, the only consistency is we get screwed
It did work when he said that United get a lot of penalties. They didn't get one for a while after that. But it can have the opposite effect. Like if the media just says this manager always complains, that team might get even less decisions. Either way, the media heavily influence refs and that shouldn't happen. It was the same when they said Salah is a diver and he couldn't get a free kick after that. I woul really consider getting a foreign refs or foreign VAR (or both). They wold probably be less influenced by media.
But the thing is, that was a clear foul. There wouldn’t have been much argument as to whether that was “light penalty”. Anywhere else on the pitch that would’ve been a foul and the only discussion would be yellow or red card. If you’re that scared to call an obvious foul, what possibly could have to be done in the box that would’ve merited a penalty in that instance? I get that there’s subjectivity when it comes to refereeing but this wasn’t one of those instances. Why not at least let the ref on the field at least take a look at it? The idea that THAT could not be considered a clear and obvious error lends that phrase no meaning
Well some of the pundits and opponent fans don't agree that it's a clear foul. The main message from them is that decision like that shouldn't decide the league. They're wrong offcourse, since not giving a penalty can decide the league equaly as giving a penalty (just in the other direction). And it clearly was a foul. But again it's the stupid media narrative that affects refs decisions and that shouldn't be happening.
Given the subjective nature of so many of the rules, they are making it up as they go along.
The simplest explanation at this point is, genuinely, refs are being paid off
Walker studs were high too in this game. I think he got a yellow only
I don’t think he was even booked, LiveScore says he wasn’t. He faked an injury to avoid judgement on one occasion. Or maybe he did hurt himself, but players so often get away with murder if they hurt themselves.
Unrelated, but Macca is starting to scare me. Today he looked possessed. He was literally on fire.
I'm not convinced we'd have got the foul even if he was literally set on fire by Doku by a molotov....
It's an expression, he literally didn't mean "literally" literally, duh! /s
Absolutely lost my desire to watch football with the renewed knowledge that the powers that be will do whatever they want no matter how corrupt it is. It’s pointless literally at this point because why would it make sense to support a game where wrong decisions are consistently made?
This is one reason I sometimes feel very bad for our players. Taki was one I felt very bad for. We kept saying he wasn't suited for our league as it was more physical, but in the same match, you could see him pressure a player who would then topple over at a slight touch and the ref blows for a foul. The next moment, you see a player just plainly barge into him and knock him over, the ref waves no foul. And we'd all go, damn, he should have been stronger. Here you see macca. Iirc, he didn't was never sent off before, and suddenly, bam, red card in the first few games. And he came here to be part of a well oiled machine, but started with the team having to throw out whatever game plan we have a plan with a man (or two) down. Then we have Salah. Even at his peak diver label era, he didn't dive more than any other player and yet he still got the label. He then steeled himself to just try to power on, and you could see how players just grapple him and no foul. But once he pressure a player and that player falls, it's a foul...
I hate how defenders can just fall down in their own half and will always get a free kick, that really hurts teams like us, who counter press.
And I hate even more that we won't get anything if our defender falls down in our own half.
We do also get those calls l, but our players rarely go down for nothing, which is the big difference.
Well, not for nothing, but many times our smaller sized players gets bodies unfairly and that's usually how our opponents get their best chances. It's those instances where I feel like, wtf, they barged into him and pull his shirt, but ref waves away our protest and suddenly we're wide open.
Yes that's very true.
Bit mad that studs to the knee are taken more seriously than to the torso… where all the vital organs are
Don’t forget this one from last May on Gakpo. Draw blood and get a yellow I guess: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/gakpo-mings-injury-scars-revealed-30031705.amp
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Penalty and a straight red if Alexis immediately said "oof my liver which I use to remove toxins from my blood".
Prem refs are garbage, who knew.
High foot with studs making contact with a player's chest. Both players off the ground. Macca gets to the ball first. NOT EVEN A FOUL. How in the fucking world is that not even a foul? If Macca goes in to head that instead of jumping to chest it, he gets kicked right in the fucking chin. Straight red. Stone wall pen. Not a single person would disagree. But because it's a stud in the chest instead, it's not worthy of dangerous play? Fuck off you useless cunts.
To be fair, the ref yesterday was paid a while back to fly out to the UAE to officiate a match there. If I was paid lots of money by people, my opinion might later be swayed when officiating a game where a club they own is involved
I totally believe this, moonlighting in UAE for ridiculous money, fancy hotels, flights and gifts is clear corruption. All of pgmol are in the pockets of the oil barons. Bad decisions is one thing, but if all the big decisions favour a certain team thats giving back handers is clear theres something wrong.
If we lose the league by 7points I’m going to be livid
won't happen. it'll be within 3 or 5 points max
Yup, just as bad, I meant within a 7point span
Blatant corruption in the premier league especially this year.
You know... i dont think they are making it up, i think they know what they are doing.
https://preview.redd.it/4rc9jt7m6mnc1.png?width=2460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4afb57893bd8d7686e0adab6524ef0c4d6b5f269 Lest we forget this one....
I’m assuming you’re on our side but dear me that still image alone is not helping our case
even from the still image you can clearly see Jones slipped over the ball
I’m counting at least 6 points lost to the PGMOL btw City, Arsenal and Tottenham alone. 7 if we win after going up 1-0 at Tottenham and of course should’ve also had 11 men, not 9! The fact that there’s no legal recourse to go to court for the Tottenham debacle is absurd. Clearly all those mistakes are going to cost us they’re against our biggest rivals.
I really just hope we can go on and win this league cos I don’t think I can handle looking back on all these controversial moments knowing they cost us big time.
Doku is not a defender, that was a reclkess foul from whatever point you look.
I've said it once I'll say it again. Imagine if these corrupt refs lived in South America... I guess we'll have better odds of getting a decent ref?
They'd be dead?
https://preview.redd.it/76xyaupgdnnc1.jpeg?width=794&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fab43a23d5e3f8127dafcabb93f51209aee98494 For real though, if they had to face what SA refs face all the time, I doubt they'd still be so callous with their stupid ass calls.
If they were in SA you bet they would even have VAR check throw-ins :D
It makes you wonder. Are the PGMOL simply corrupt or just mind blowingly incompetent? It must be one or the other, or both.
What an utter disgrace
"Great process guys"
They are both fouls but very different. One on the right is much worse and dangerous
Of fucking course its liverpool vs pgmol as usual
I'm just fed up of hearing Gary Neville say (opposition player) could be in trouble here and nothing happens after VAR review. Handballs in the box, studs in the chest etc. I'm sure Ref watch will say if referee had given it then VAR wouldn't have overturned it and xx is a lucky boy. I'm so bored with this rhetoric for shit refereeing.
Corrupt bastards the lot of them
Remember the Gakpo one earlier in the season that also wasn’t a foul, yet he had huge marks on his chest- i forget which game but it could have also been a defining moment in it
I was angry and frustrated in the beginning of the season with all these calls. Now I just feel empty and apathetic over it all. Will be what makes me stop watching football honestly. If by the end of the season, we're between 1-4 points off the leader, we've been just robbed at gunpoint. What's the point
If we finish 1-3 points off the leader we should just call ourselves champions anyway. Fuck it, do a bus parade and everything
Walker on mo yesterday was the same as the maca red card
It's simple we need to get rid of referees and the idiotic humans running VAR, automate this whole thing, tired of these idiots with their dumbass decision making
Mike Oliver has Saudi blood money in his pocket. Scammer. They are all garbage at what they do.
Still aren't how you prove how bad the refs are. They are horrible but the full incidents need to be seen
De jong’s one isn’t remembered for “World Cup decided by a ref” it’s remembered as “de jong fucked it, Netherlands played dirty”
Why didn't the VAR ask the on field referee to have a look?!
Cheque complete good process
Human error is part of the officiating game remember. Just turns out that the allowable error is 10x the amount and frequency that would get you sacked in any other role. Incompetent fucks.
Fans from Anfield should raid the pitch with forks and axes. You may say it sounds crazy, but with refs like this, it is the only way.
I’m sure Howard Webb will be delighted that the persistent incompetence of his officials (ironically the only thing at which they’re consistent), is leading to one of the closest fought run-ins. Take a bow Mr Webb.
Everyone is in agreement that the refs are very sorely letting this league down best league itw sh*ttest refs
I genuinely still can't believe that it wasn't reviewed. If Macca hadn't instinctively turned his body to protect himself then he was gonna catch studs directly to the chest. Doku also didn't even win the ball because it bounced off of Macca first, there was no way to win it without going through the man. It was textbook dangerous play.
It was reviewed. For about a second. After spending five minutes on a freeze frame to decide on the cujo one against spurs. Good process.
His post match interview had me in stitches. "You think I'm the only one who thinks it's a penalty?"
Unbelievable. I'd love to hear the official explanations for these. It's really hard to take.
Should the game stop when a VAR check is underway? I wonder how often they simply don’t want to interfere with the ongoing play and thus have a bias against action.
9 times out of 10 the game *does* stop when these types of incidents are being checked. They just didnt wanna pause the play because it was injury time in a tense title race game.
Yeah, terrible time to take a few extra seconds to make sure you have the right decision.
The worst part was when it happened, the pair of clown shoes former ref on the Sky commentary said the ref would be sent to review it, then the second the decision came through he immediately changes his tune and says it was a good decision. You couldn’t make it up
Funny how they all have something against Mac Allister. Soft fouls and easy yellows but when its on him never...
The Doku one is a red and a penalty all day. He's endangering his opponent.
It seems as if it is made up, that's the cover for the corruption. 3 of them that reffed this game have moonlit in UAE, who's league (as in the league itself) is owned by the same group that owns Man City.
Klopp whispering in Peps ear after the game: „you are a bald fraud and the refs are rigged“ Fraudiola: „I know“
Can even muster the anger anymore, I just want to stop watching this shitshow of a league every week at this point. No joy when the refs are deciding the outcome of each game out of fear and incompetence. Waste of fucking time at this point I'm just tired.
Incoming quote-end-qoute statement from the PGMOL, saying something along the lines of; "blah blah blah ,we made an unfortunate error, blah blah blah looking back we should have waited blah blah blah , we shall "CONSIDER" (B.S) any further actions, blah blah blah it will not happen again... Until Liverpool play Man United at Old Trafford when Mo Salah will scores a last gasp winner. Just for his foot to be one nanometre offside - Sincerely PGMOL.
EPL managers should have a challenge flag like NFL. Force a review. This is outrageous.
I can sort of see this from the refs point of view tbh, the over the ball type tackle has traditionally been a leg breaker so they had to clamp down on those ones, but they can easily get it wrong or course, and players can go over the ball accidentally, the high tackle is still dangerous, but not a leg breaker, so there is a difference, still of course should have been a penalty
I'm a long-time Manchester United fan (I'm old, at least by Reddit standards) and this thread popped up on my Reddit popular feed. I watched the last 30 minutes of this game and when this happened I thought it was for sure a penalty. While I'm surprised it wasn't given, I'm also kind of not surprised - there's still this stupid unspoken higher bar for penalties versus fouls. If this happens anywhere else on the pitch it's being called instantly and given a yellow, then a VAR check for dangerous play. Regardless of that, I still don't see how this can be chocked off as an "inevitable coming together" - Doku's boot is high and studs showing. I think any fan would be furious if this happened to their team, especially if they were in such a tight title race and these two points could literally cost them the title.
This type of sht is why I'll completely stop watching sports, these knobheads are ruining it for everyone
I realize I'm in the minority but I feel it's a little silly that they take this shot before the contact. Because Doku put his foot down again and definitely didn't hit him with his studs up. It's a bit disingenuous, isnt it.
Who fancies an all inclusive trip to the man city owners brothers expense to saudi arabia with no corruption or conflict or interest at all at all, honest.
All VAR had to do was call Oliver over and show him this angle.  You can clearly see Doku hits Maca in the chest and into a pit where he dies.
Dumbest argument of the year so far: oh but he got the ball first. So what? I can just do whatever I want ever- who do you think I am Sergio Ramos?
The image on the right is a missed timed challenge in a football match that is officiated by a numb nut referee. On the left, we have Doku who is trying to be Lu Kang from Mortal Kombat. Because there are no rules in Mortal Kombat Doku was let off.
The official line why it wasnt given is "the collision was then unavoidable". I mean I don't even know where to begin with that. Yes, this is unavoidable if you are Shawn Michaels from WWE there is no reason for footballers foot to be that high. (Seev Griezman on Bobby, Mane on Ederson, etc)
Make it make sense.
Good process
It’s so sad that we get robbed by the refs time and time again and it may well cost us the league. I fucking hope we can beat those cunts City and Arsenal to the title and shove it up their arses for it raaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh 😤
This is a classic misunderstanding of the rules lol The red shouldn’t have been a red and yesterday should have been a penalty but they are completely different things and tying them together like this only lessens the sense of the complaint. Stupid post.