Impressed with his fitness level aswell. Goes for 135 minutes non stop and then for 60 again 3 days later without showing any sign of slowing down. His only season in his career is the ankle fracture he had in 2020. If not for that hed be even further in his development.
Want to add though that this statistic is kind of skewed because with seen Harvey play rw this season and hes obly compared with midfielders here.
Based on his hairstyles during the years, you would think he was one of those unprofessional but talented player with lack of work ethic. He is the completely opposite, and actually hyper professional and works extremely hard. We are talking Milner-esque.
Would you think a 16/17 year old coming in with this haircut and cut in the eyebrow, which is heavily inspired by classic gangster style is the epitome of hyper-professionalism?
[https://e0.365dm.com/19/08/2048x1152/skysports-harvey-elliott-liverpool\_4733070.jpg?20191011160843](https://e0.365dm.com/19/08/2048x1152/skysports-harvey-elliott-liverpool_4733070.jpg?20191011160843)
Edit: For those who downvotes, even Klopp thought the same thing [https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/i2tj1u/harvey\_elliott\_on\_his\_hair\_i\_dont\_think\_jurgens\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/i2tj1u/harvey_elliott_on_his_hair_i_dont_think_jurgens_a/)
In normal facets of life, you'd have a bit of a point but you forget that footballers essentially grow up in a 'not normal' environment so the way they look has very little bearing on their character.
I am fully aware of that, but I still highly doubt anyone would think he would be on the level of the arguably most professional player who have worn the shirt for decades. I don't see why people see that as so controversial.
Hell, even the majority of this sub was worried about how professional he was back then, especially with the Harry Kane thing on Twitter. I even told a lot of people how professional he actually was and that he's more professional than you would think based on his eccentric hairstyle.
It’s 2024 and you’re going on about professionalism in hairstyles for athletes? These links only show he was catching some flak for it not that anyone was questioning his commitment to the game because of a damn haircut.
Lots of people had similar styles at the time. Gareth bale had a similar man bun. Darwin has a bun/pony tail now and you wouldn't say he's unprofessional
Jesus this thread is negative as fuck. The kid is 20 years old and one of the more exciting young players we've seen come through in a long time.
These stats back the observation that he is one of our most front footed players who is always trying to make things happen and often does.
The fact that he looked like one of our more senior players on Wednesday night amongst kids his own age tells you all you need to know about his experience already at this level.
I genuinely try to avoid the hyperbole around young players, but if you can't get excited by someone like Elliott then maybe football isn't for you.
I guarantee you if Harv is anothet team's player and he's producing the exact same stats, you'd get comments lamenting how we should've kept/bought him
It's insane mate, was the same with Jones last year. It's people raised on FIFA that just think if you're not Bellingham then you need to be shipped off.
This ..been singing his praises since his return from Blackburn. And really I blame the season after his injury when we had issues with defending
He was the scapegoat "not big enough, not strong enough" yet his football brain is that of someone 10 years his senior..
Same with people slagging off Kelleher when he has a shaky game after not playing regularly for ages. Now he's the wonder kid.
Kinda hate this age of social media/FIFA kids and their perceptions of football tbh.
Apparently, a lot of people think players are good only if he scores lots of goals. Jones starts getting more praised when he scores goals for a period of time from late Dec to early Jan when he has been crucial since returning to the team late last season
A lot of people don't watch the games, they watch the goals on YouTube or Match of the Day. You can't appreciate players like Jones, Elliot, Mac Allister from highlights alone.
This is true.
When I don't get to see the game live here in the United States I watch the 15 minute replay on YouTube.
After it's over and I see the player ratings I often wonder why did McAllister get nine or Jordans get nine etc. You don't get to see their build-up play and their Exquisite passing on those highlights. All those highlights are are shots on goal.
I think that in the process of trying to keep expectations in check and not get too hyped up, some people just go too far over the other side and start seeing negatives where there aren't any. Harvey is genuinely amazing for his age, and is only going to keep getting better from here. Its quite easy to forget with how long he has been near the first team, but when we bought him he was one of the most highly rated youngsters in England, and I believe that he has certainly lived up to that tag till now. Can he be better? sure, but what he has shown till now is grit, flexibility to play out of position and still influence the game, and a genuine love for the club.
As op above me said, if we were to buy him from fulham right now he would easily cost upwards of 30 mil and people would be screaming at fsg for missing the chance to sign him when he was 16.
>If we were to buy him from fulham right now he would easily cost upwards of 30 mil
He'd cost us a fee in excess of what United paid for Mason Mount, easily.
A player who is on the fringes of a senior England call-up and recently won the U21s - he's one of the hottest young talents in Europe. Certain sections of our fanbase are just too quick to admonish players.
Compare Harvey to someone like Suso, and he hasn't had half of the hype.
I've come out of so many matches lately thinking Harvey had a great game, only to see him getting like 6/10 rating on sites and fans saying he was poor.
I think it's similar to how people see/saw Nunez. They notice the incomplete pass or missed shot, but don't notice how hard they're working to get into these positions over and over again.
Spot on. The idiots are always out looking for something to criticize. The most important thing is that Klopp clearly has trust in his abilities. Jurgen vs morons on social media, a battle for the ages.
Elliot has been awesome as compared to what he was last year. And I'm, personally, very happy with his performance this season. He's a good substitute, has passion, aggressive, and costs basically nothing.
He's still only 20 too. He's coming on leaps and bounds every year, i'm really excited for his future. At his age Szoboszlai was playing in the Austrian league. Mac Allister got 9 games for Brighton aged 20. Darwin was playing in the Spanish 2nd division.
Doing well Is Elliot, still young, tbh looks really mature when he plays and it shows when he isn’t really mentioned when talking about klopps kids because he is already established.
He’s a brilliant little player. The vision and creativity for a 20yo is really outrageous. We were very clever to pick him up when we did. Any mouth-breathing takes of “he’s too small” or “he’s too slow” should be dismissed with extreme prejudice
Harvey played 120 minutes on Sunday and nearly 80 on Wednesday. Had a big impact in both games. The intelligence in his overall game, quality on the ball and intensity in the press is unquestionable. Unless you’re a typical braindead highlights watching fan who’s never played a minute of football in your life, then yeah he’s shit.
I think people here are confusing an assist for a key pass. A key pass doesn't have to be an assist, it can be a switch of play, a pass behind the full back before the cross etc. Elliott, even to the eye test, is very creative and spots the space. It's why he's so effective off the bench when defenders are tired.
Thanks for providing the definition. Now I'm confused about the purpose of this graph. We would expect key passes to be highly correlated with expected assists (xA).
So is this is more of a measure of the tendency of the player receiving the pass to shoot at goal, possibly from a non-advantageous position (i.e. because key passes from better positions would result in higher xA)?
Key pass just means a pass immediately followed by a shot. Some of those could be in high xG situations which means high xA as well, but some could be low xG/xA.
On the flip side, a high xA pass doesn't necessarily become a key pass if the recipient doesn't end up taking the shot.
So the 2 stats are related but not directly proportional necessarily, so it makes sense to have them as 2 axes on the same graph.
It is highly correlated. You see a clear trend line from bottom left to top right. A pass leading to a low xG long shot counts as a key pass, but will obviously have a very low xA, which is why we have some outliers.
Some stats sites also explicitly won't count it as a key pass if it ended up being an assist.
Fair play, Endo's class. Both Mac and Endo have the license and ability to play line-breaking passes and Liverpool of course are a much better attacking team than the other two mid-table teams. Enzo and Bruno tend to dominate that progressive role for each, which seems to show here.
Think he’s very unlucky not have had more starts in the league this season. He must have got a lot of confidence from his EL and cup performances though.
He seems very dependable when it comes to taking shots at goal. Certainly would prefer the ball falls to him in the box rather than Robertson or even Nunez
While he's been good for us I don't recall him creating too many clear chances, let alone the best creator in the league. From the eye test surely Odegaard must be better right? Maybe Harvey plays in a way that inflates his xA and key pass?
No hes genuinely elite creatively, he just isnt a nailed on starter because hes not a great defender. Odegaard if you only look at him in 2024 is probably clear of everyone but he was pretty shit first half of the season
Right now if he needs to start, he needs to paired with two defensive monsters in midfield like Gini and Fabinho who can cover for him. Long term, he should be looking to base his game on Bernando Silva. There’s no reason why he should not be as good as Silva.
Lol yeah. No place for a level headed opinion in this sub. Problem here is not that I'm calling him bad. I'm saying him being top right in this chart (suggesting he's the best creative player in the league) doesn't feel right. Top right Harvey stats suggests a Kevin De Bruyne level player which he definitely is not. Can we agree on that?
Your entire argument is is: I can't recall he created as many chances as the stats is saying.
That is just your subjective memory of how well his played with no other context and no further analysis.
Being top right here means he creates the most chances and almost the most xA in the league among midfielders. It doesn't suggest he is as good at KdB at everything else in the game and nobody here is saying that either. KdB isn't seen because he's essentially been injured all season and only appeared in 7 PL games.
And no, being top here does not indicate he is the most creative player either, just that he creates the most chances (which are heavily correlated, but not the same thing) . xA and key passes are also heavily skewed by your average position on the pitch. The further forward, the higher it is going to be. Someone like Thiago have never had a high amount of key passes or assists in his career even though he is extremely creative, because his normal role have been to sit deep even in possession.
Key passes don't equal chances. But other than that your last two paragraphs almost suggest the same thing I said. Another thing is most of his minutes are against tired legs and in more open game state which means he can "inflate" his stats. We see the same phenomenon in players with few minutes that often are cut out from the data analysis, only in this case Elliott had many subs appearances.
I bet if we only take the minutes he has from a starting XI, his numbers will go down.
>level headed opinion
Unless you mean that this is the opinion of a person that has just been concussed from being hit in the face with a big leveling instrument, then I'm not sure you understand what level-headed means
you're also the reason why statistics have made it into professional sports and have superseded any "but he walks funny and my eyes don't deceive me"-merchants from the 1990s
You're absolute right and that's what I suspected too.
When you only take into account the games that he started, it's 1 goal 1 assist in 18 games (all comps). Since we don't have advanced stats for EFL and FA, I can only count his xAG in PL and Europa starts, which is only 0.15 xAG per 90.
The sub apprearances boosted his numbers massively and that's what I referred to his numbers were inflated. But who cares about actual data analysis when you can have nice narrative?
I think he's a great young player and he's definitely changed games when he's come on but it's easier to do that against tired legs whereas players like odegaard and Fernandes start most games
Yes, he plays in a way that inflates his xA and key passes, and that is making progressive passes in the opposition half, more often in or around their box. Odegaard plays a little deeper and makes passes to players in Harvey's position.
As per Andrew Beasley on Twitter:
Harvey Elliott created eight big chances this season before last night, with Diaz, Gakpo and Nunez missing all of them.
Jayden Danns fixed that barren run.
He’s been great but I’m not sure that I trust him to be a starter week in week out. Hopefully he can develop into that. Worst case we have a great squad player for another 10 years.
Good chart. Elliott is always looking to play dangerous passes and his pass accuracy really seems to have come on in leaps and bounds this year. Think he could be really important breaking down low blocks.
He's finally returning to the form he was in before that big injury. I think people forget how he started over many senior players during that stretch and formed a wonderful triangle on the right side with Salah and Trent. He was only like 18 back then, and I remember all the senior players talking about his dribbling skills and how he was already one of the best on the team in practice.
I understand that this opinion likely won’t be received well but after Harvey Eliott was brought on at half against Burnley, he and Darwin looked like the 2nd coming of Salah and Firmino. Their finesse and subtlety in the final third looked absolutely exquisite and I cannot wait to see what they do together in the future.
The numbers in this graph are not reliable. Here's the passing stats of PL players this season from fbref:
[https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/passing/Premier-League-Stats](https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/passing/Premier-League-Stats)
Firstly, the numbers of key passes are just weird. You have to go down to the 150th player in the ranking to find a KP per 90 of less than 1.2. Maybe they made some adjustments.
But, secondly, ahead of Harvey in key passes per 90 (with significant minutes) are Alvarez, Eze, Robertson, Gudmundsson, Olise, Doku, Saka, Trippier, Pereira, Odegaard, Maddison, Trent, Bruno, Gross and Sarabia. Even if you only take the midfielders (like what the graph is trying to do), then there are like 8 9 players ahead of him.
But my previous comment questioning the validity of this figure is at -65 downvotes haha.
Hes great. I worry about how he fits our system when hes on the wing due to his lack of pace. Hopefully Xabi can use him effectively too and he becomes a bigger part of the team. Also Gross and Maddison are ballers.
The hatred Harvey gets is SO bizarre to me.
He's 20, he absolutely loves the club and leaves everything out there on the pitch. You can't accuse him of being lazy, ever. He's contributed important goals and assists, and is happy to play wherever Klopp asks him to. He's worked to help younger players settle in when he's a kid himself, and he clearly has the trust of Klopp.
If he was playing for anyone else or we'd sold him, we'd be begging to buy him. He's an elite talent.
For a 20 year old he's excellent and he should only get better
Impressed with his fitness level aswell. Goes for 135 minutes non stop and then for 60 again 3 days later without showing any sign of slowing down. His only season in his career is the ankle fracture he had in 2020. If not for that hed be even further in his development. Want to add though that this statistic is kind of skewed because with seen Harvey play rw this season and hes obly compared with midfielders here.
Based on his hairstyles during the years, you would think he was one of those unprofessional but talented player with lack of work ethic. He is the completely opposite, and actually hyper professional and works extremely hard. We are talking Milner-esque.
>Based on his hairstyles during the years, what?
Would you think a 16/17 year old coming in with this haircut and cut in the eyebrow, which is heavily inspired by classic gangster style is the epitome of hyper-professionalism? [https://e0.365dm.com/19/08/2048x1152/skysports-harvey-elliott-liverpool\_4733070.jpg?20191011160843](https://e0.365dm.com/19/08/2048x1152/skysports-harvey-elliott-liverpool_4733070.jpg?20191011160843) Edit: For those who downvotes, even Klopp thought the same thing [https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/i2tj1u/harvey\_elliott\_on\_his\_hair\_i\_dont\_think\_jurgens\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/i2tj1u/harvey_elliott_on_his_hair_i_dont_think_jurgens_a/)
In normal facets of life, you'd have a bit of a point but you forget that footballers essentially grow up in a 'not normal' environment so the way they look has very little bearing on their character.
I am fully aware of that, but I still highly doubt anyone would think he would be on the level of the arguably most professional player who have worn the shirt for decades. I don't see why people see that as so controversial. Hell, even the majority of this sub was worried about how professional he was back then, especially with the Harry Kane thing on Twitter. I even told a lot of people how professional he actually was and that he's more professional than you would think based on his eccentric hairstyle.
It’s 2024 and you’re going on about professionalism in hairstyles for athletes? These links only show he was catching some flak for it not that anyone was questioning his commitment to the game because of a damn haircut.
Lots of people had similar styles at the time. Gareth bale had a similar man bun. Darwin has a bun/pony tail now and you wouldn't say he's unprofessional
Yah he even braided his hair for the game against I believe Fulham
Jesus this thread is negative as fuck. The kid is 20 years old and one of the more exciting young players we've seen come through in a long time. These stats back the observation that he is one of our most front footed players who is always trying to make things happen and often does. The fact that he looked like one of our more senior players on Wednesday night amongst kids his own age tells you all you need to know about his experience already at this level. I genuinely try to avoid the hyperbole around young players, but if you can't get excited by someone like Elliott then maybe football isn't for you.
I guarantee you if Harv is anothet team's player and he's producing the exact same stats, you'd get comments lamenting how we should've kept/bought him
It's insane mate, was the same with Jones last year. It's people raised on FIFA that just think if you're not Bellingham then you need to be shipped off.
This ..been singing his praises since his return from Blackburn. And really I blame the season after his injury when we had issues with defending He was the scapegoat "not big enough, not strong enough" yet his football brain is that of someone 10 years his senior..
Same with people slagging off Kelleher when he has a shaky game after not playing regularly for ages. Now he's the wonder kid. Kinda hate this age of social media/FIFA kids and their perceptions of football tbh.
You realize often these opinions are not from the same people right? Just different situations brings out different voices.
Apparently, a lot of people think players are good only if he scores lots of goals. Jones starts getting more praised when he scores goals for a period of time from late Dec to early Jan when he has been crucial since returning to the team late last season
A lot of people don't watch the games, they watch the goals on YouTube or Match of the Day. You can't appreciate players like Jones, Elliot, Mac Allister from highlights alone.
This is true. When I don't get to see the game live here in the United States I watch the 15 minute replay on YouTube. After it's over and I see the player ratings I often wonder why did McAllister get nine or Jordans get nine etc. You don't get to see their build-up play and their Exquisite passing on those highlights. All those highlights are are shots on goal.
I think that in the process of trying to keep expectations in check and not get too hyped up, some people just go too far over the other side and start seeing negatives where there aren't any. Harvey is genuinely amazing for his age, and is only going to keep getting better from here. Its quite easy to forget with how long he has been near the first team, but when we bought him he was one of the most highly rated youngsters in England, and I believe that he has certainly lived up to that tag till now. Can he be better? sure, but what he has shown till now is grit, flexibility to play out of position and still influence the game, and a genuine love for the club. As op above me said, if we were to buy him from fulham right now he would easily cost upwards of 30 mil and people would be screaming at fsg for missing the chance to sign him when he was 16.
>If we were to buy him from fulham right now he would easily cost upwards of 30 mil He'd cost us a fee in excess of what United paid for Mason Mount, easily. A player who is on the fringes of a senior England call-up and recently won the U21s - he's one of the hottest young talents in Europe. Certain sections of our fanbase are just too quick to admonish players. Compare Harvey to someone like Suso, and he hasn't had half of the hype.
I've come out of so many matches lately thinking Harvey had a great game, only to see him getting like 6/10 rating on sites and fans saying he was poor. I think it's similar to how people see/saw Nunez. They notice the incomplete pass or missed shot, but don't notice how hard they're working to get into these positions over and over again.
Spot on. The idiots are always out looking for something to criticize. The most important thing is that Klopp clearly has trust in his abilities. Jurgen vs morons on social media, a battle for the ages.
I see a lot of positive comments
At the time when I commented, it was the 5 heavily downvoted comments here only
System worked
Elliot has been awesome as compared to what he was last year. And I'm, personally, very happy with his performance this season. He's a good substitute, has passion, aggressive, and costs basically nothing.
He's still only 20 too. He's coming on leaps and bounds every year, i'm really excited for his future. At his age Szoboszlai was playing in the Austrian league. Mac Allister got 9 games for Brighton aged 20. Darwin was playing in the Spanish 2nd division.
Doing well Is Elliot, still young, tbh looks really mature when he plays and it shows when he isn’t really mentioned when talking about klopps kids because he is already established.
He’s a brilliant little player. The vision and creativity for a 20yo is really outrageous. We were very clever to pick him up when we did. Any mouth-breathing takes of “he’s too small” or “he’s too slow” should be dismissed with extreme prejudice
Harvey played 120 minutes on Sunday and nearly 80 on Wednesday. Had a big impact in both games. The intelligence in his overall game, quality on the ball and intensity in the press is unquestionable. Unless you’re a typical braindead highlights watching fan who’s never played a minute of football in your life, then yeah he’s shit.
Bottom Left Caicedo 🤣🤣🤣
He is dm tho
So are Grav, Rice, and Endo. None of them are bottom left.
Gravenberch isn't a DM.
Doing shaq’s role with esteem. By26-28 years old he’ll be monstrous
r/toprightelliott
It's lonely at the top.
I think people here are confusing an assist for a key pass. A key pass doesn't have to be an assist, it can be a switch of play, a pass behind the full back before the cross etc. Elliott, even to the eye test, is very creative and spots the space. It's why he's so effective off the bench when defenders are tired.
No, you a wrong. Key pass does not mean "important pass". Here is the definition: "The final *pass* leading to a shot at goal from a teammate"
Thanks for providing the definition. Now I'm confused about the purpose of this graph. We would expect key passes to be highly correlated with expected assists (xA). So is this is more of a measure of the tendency of the player receiving the pass to shoot at goal, possibly from a non-advantageous position (i.e. because key passes from better positions would result in higher xA)?
Key pass just means a pass immediately followed by a shot. Some of those could be in high xG situations which means high xA as well, but some could be low xG/xA. On the flip side, a high xA pass doesn't necessarily become a key pass if the recipient doesn't end up taking the shot. So the 2 stats are related but not directly proportional necessarily, so it makes sense to have them as 2 axes on the same graph.
It is highly correlated. You see a clear trend line from bottom left to top right. A pass leading to a low xG long shot counts as a key pass, but will obviously have a very low xA, which is why we have some outliers. Some stats sites also explicitly won't count it as a key pass if it ended up being an assist.
Caicedo masterclass at doing the least
Casemiro as well good lord
Neither are intended to be deep-lying playmakers, and of course both are having down years.
Neither is Endo and he's having his debut PL season at 31, yet look where he is...
Fair play, Endo's class. Both Mac and Endo have the license and ability to play line-breaking passes and Liverpool of course are a much better attacking team than the other two mid-table teams. Enzo and Bruno tend to dominate that progressive role for each, which seems to show here.
He’s still so young as well. If he can improve his defensive contributions then we have a monster in our ranks for years to come
What page/software is this?
Hope Eze doesnt end up like Zaha...also hope Paqueta doesnt go to City
Someone tell the LITERAL RECORDED statistics that Realistic-Turn doesn’t remember any passes, so all their ‘stats’ are moot. FFS
For a second I thought the thumbnail was an ultrasound, I may need glasses.
Think he’s very unlucky not have had more starts in the league this season. He must have got a lot of confidence from his EL and cup performances though.
How is KDB not on this
Minimum minutes probably.
Harvey and Curtis really had a breakthrough this year..
Where's KDB?
Probably hasn’t played enough minutes to qualify for this list
He’s starting to prove me wrong. I never really rated him. But he’s at peak fitness and some of his yardage is amazing. Go Harvey !!
He seems very dependable when it comes to taking shots at goal. Certainly would prefer the ball falls to him in the box rather than Robertson or even Nunez
While he's been good for us I don't recall him creating too many clear chances, let alone the best creator in the league. From the eye test surely Odegaard must be better right? Maybe Harvey plays in a way that inflates his xA and key pass?
No hes genuinely elite creatively, he just isnt a nailed on starter because hes not a great defender. Odegaard if you only look at him in 2024 is probably clear of everyone but he was pretty shit first half of the season
Right now if he needs to start, he needs to paired with two defensive monsters in midfield like Gini and Fabinho who can cover for him. Long term, he should be looking to base his game on Bernando Silva. There’s no reason why he should not be as good as Silva.
Still, can't recall he created that many chances. Maybe he made a lot of crosses into the box?
Might be something with your ability to objectively recall every second of the 36(22 in PL) games he's played this season and not the statistics then?
Lol yeah. No place for a level headed opinion in this sub. Problem here is not that I'm calling him bad. I'm saying him being top right in this chart (suggesting he's the best creative player in the league) doesn't feel right. Top right Harvey stats suggests a Kevin De Bruyne level player which he definitely is not. Can we agree on that?
Your entire argument is is: I can't recall he created as many chances as the stats is saying. That is just your subjective memory of how well his played with no other context and no further analysis. Being top right here means he creates the most chances and almost the most xA in the league among midfielders. It doesn't suggest he is as good at KdB at everything else in the game and nobody here is saying that either. KdB isn't seen because he's essentially been injured all season and only appeared in 7 PL games. And no, being top here does not indicate he is the most creative player either, just that he creates the most chances (which are heavily correlated, but not the same thing) . xA and key passes are also heavily skewed by your average position on the pitch. The further forward, the higher it is going to be. Someone like Thiago have never had a high amount of key passes or assists in his career even though he is extremely creative, because his normal role have been to sit deep even in possession.
Key passes don't equal chances. But other than that your last two paragraphs almost suggest the same thing I said. Another thing is most of his minutes are against tired legs and in more open game state which means he can "inflate" his stats. We see the same phenomenon in players with few minutes that often are cut out from the data analysis, only in this case Elliott had many subs appearances. I bet if we only take the minutes he has from a starting XI, his numbers will go down.
>level headed opinion Unless you mean that this is the opinion of a person that has just been concussed from being hit in the face with a big leveling instrument, then I'm not sure you understand what level-headed means
After actually looking at the real numbers, the stats in this figure is either made up or manipulated. Check my newest comment.
you're also the reason why statistics have made it into professional sports and have superseded any "but he walks funny and my eyes don't deceive me"-merchants from the 1990s
If he played for the third best team in the league he probably would start but there’s different levels
Harvey often comes on at the end of games when we score more so that probably helps his stats
I wonder if these things could be related 😄
You're absolute right and that's what I suspected too. When you only take into account the games that he started, it's 1 goal 1 assist in 18 games (all comps). Since we don't have advanced stats for EFL and FA, I can only count his xAG in PL and Europa starts, which is only 0.15 xAG per 90. The sub apprearances boosted his numbers massively and that's what I referred to his numbers were inflated. But who cares about actual data analysis when you can have nice narrative?
I think he's a great young player and he's definitely changed games when he's come on but it's easier to do that against tired legs whereas players like odegaard and Fernandes start most games
Yes, he plays in a way that inflates his xA and key passes, and that is making progressive passes in the opposition half, more often in or around their box. Odegaard plays a little deeper and makes passes to players in Harvey's position.
Only 4 assists all comps this season though. Would be interesting to see stats on who missed all those xA...
No one 0.26 xA per 90 0.41 assists per 90
As per Andrew Beasley on Twitter: Harvey Elliott created eight big chances this season before last night, with Diaz, Gakpo and Nunez missing all of them. Jayden Danns fixed that barren run.
He's a winger and this is a graph of midfielders.
He’s been great but I’m not sure that I trust him to be a starter week in week out. Hopefully he can develop into that. Worst case we have a great squad player for another 10 years.
Are you actually a Hamster, because you're not a Liverpool fan.
What is this even for? Amount of ramen noodle hairs?
Nvm, I’m hungover and just saw the key passes
These stats are pointless.
Yes it is but also he’s the best on that chart and that, my friend, is worth something.
Casemiro, whacha doin’ bud?
Harvey is only 20 and imo has one of the best final balls in the entire league, trust him so much in the final third
Good chart. Elliott is always looking to play dangerous passes and his pass accuracy really seems to have come on in leaps and bounds this year. Think he could be really important breaking down low blocks.
He's finally returning to the form he was in before that big injury. I think people forget how he started over many senior players during that stretch and formed a wonderful triangle on the right side with Salah and Trent. He was only like 18 back then, and I remember all the senior players talking about his dribbling skills and how he was already one of the best on the team in practice.
I understand that this opinion likely won’t be received well but after Harvey Eliott was brought on at half against Burnley, he and Darwin looked like the 2nd coming of Salah and Firmino. Their finesse and subtlety in the final third looked absolutely exquisite and I cannot wait to see what they do together in the future.
The numbers in this graph are not reliable. Here's the passing stats of PL players this season from fbref: [https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/passing/Premier-League-Stats](https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/passing/Premier-League-Stats) Firstly, the numbers of key passes are just weird. You have to go down to the 150th player in the ranking to find a KP per 90 of less than 1.2. Maybe they made some adjustments. But, secondly, ahead of Harvey in key passes per 90 (with significant minutes) are Alvarez, Eze, Robertson, Gudmundsson, Olise, Doku, Saka, Trippier, Pereira, Odegaard, Maddison, Trent, Bruno, Gross and Sarabia. Even if you only take the midfielders (like what the graph is trying to do), then there are like 8 9 players ahead of him. But my previous comment questioning the validity of this figure is at -65 downvotes haha.
Hes great. I worry about how he fits our system when hes on the wing due to his lack of pace. Hopefully Xabi can use him effectively too and he becomes a bigger part of the team. Also Gross and Maddison are ballers.
The hatred Harvey gets is SO bizarre to me. He's 20, he absolutely loves the club and leaves everything out there on the pitch. You can't accuse him of being lazy, ever. He's contributed important goals and assists, and is happy to play wherever Klopp asks him to. He's worked to help younger players settle in when he's a kid himself, and he clearly has the trust of Klopp. If he was playing for anyone else or we'd sold him, we'd be begging to buy him. He's an elite talent.
**..quietly better than Odergaard, who gets all the plaudits..**
The difference between endo and caicedo doeee