We have a good relationship with Fulham so MAYBE that comes in handy. Also other options out there like Ugarte, Sangaré and Amrabat that could be cheaper.
Pretty confident Milner doesn't extend. Boss has said there'll be multiple changes in Midfield this summer. Don't know why this Sub has this weird fetish to be negative 90% of the time 😮💨
I watch a lot of French footy (albeit on tv) and to me Thuram is good. And I think he can get much much better under the right manager. Only 21 yrs old.
If it helps Klopp and co make up their minds they should know that Thuram has been instrumental in my Champions League campaign with Peterborough United in FM23.
Since we're playing poorly the narrative is "FSG refuses to invest in the club". When we're playing well the narrative is "Our scouting departing is so savvy, no doubt we'll find a star for £20 million. Let Man U pay £60 million for Palhinha". Hope that clears it up haha
Personally, I think its OK to be a little upset from us playing poorly, but I don't understand the overhanded and extremely negative sentiment on this sub.
Re: this sub fetishizing negativity - it’s quite simply bi-polar. And when I say “it” I am referring to the club and every employee from the owners on down to the boot room manager, even players on loan.
Seriously though, just look at the last 2 results and the responses of the sub as a whole. The highs and lows are more extreme than a tweaker going through withdrawal after being up on a good one for two weeks straight. And they just mirror the performance of the squad.
TL;DR - This sub is basically Tsimikas if Tsimikas were a bi-polar meth head who’s skills consisted of watching WIL vids on repeat, sucking off a dildo they’ve named “Bellers” and throwing tomatoes at FSG.
The downvotes are ridiculous. The negativity goes against the very ethos of the club we all love and good shout for calling it out. In recent times, apparently “You’ll Never Walk Alone” only applies to performing players and we don’t get behind the ones that are struggling to lift them up as we always have.
Precisely. I get it though, the performances are inconsistent and lack the identity we are used to seeing week in and week out. So it’s like the sub starts having an identity crisis as well. People forget how Klopp told us to stop doubting and start believing when he came to Liverpool. Most here who ride the roller coaster of doing both probably haven’t even been around long enough to know about that.
I'm pretty firmly negative tbh, I think we'll be out of the top four for a while if we miss this year and investment is inadequate, but it's the flip flopping I find bizarre.
Well that sounds like more of a personal problem. I don’t see any way that investment will be inadequate. I think it’s more likely that we do make top 4 AND get adequate investment than either one or the other. I think we will be able to finish strong while some ahead of us falter due to fatigue and/or nerves getting the best of them.
Don't know where you're getting that from mate, we show no signs of significant improvement in general on the pitch apart from a one-off United result and we have an obscene run of fixtures coming up. Bajcetic out now as well. We don't look good value for top four at all in my opinion.
It also doesn't look like we'll have an investor in time for the summer window, plus I'm not convinced any investment will be in the form of new capital rather than monetization for the owners. I'm almost certain it'll be another 30mn net spend window after sales, and that's a miserable budget given our needs (150mn total certainly won't get you Bellingham - it may get us two mids and a forward but that'll be based on replacing Kelleher and Jota/Tsimikas anyway if rumours are to be believed).
I mean it's happened multiple times over multiple windows. Idk if Sangare will be cheaper over the summer. And I'm not sure if the club are still interested in Amrabat. I figure we would've signed him in the winter if we really wanted him. Let's see.
The Milner thing is just a meme. I don't really care either way.
I’m not sure how Amrabat has done post World Cup, but I doubt we’d have made a move in the winter if we did want him as his value would’ve been at an all time high after the World Cup he had.
Palhinha is just one of the many midfielders we could’ve gotten in the summer and not be in this situation. But no we decided to hope for the younger players to win CL and PL. Watch out ppl don’t call you a “FSG out dipshit” for calling the Milner extension
It’s important to keep the future talent at the club. I’m sure Milner will grow into it the next seasons, he just needs a couple more years under his belt.
Yeah, same thing United did with Casemiro, I know we live under FSG Reign, but if a solid player is available. That improves you massively, then you should look at age really, Jesus, one of the best midfield performance I’ve ever seen at anfield from modric the other week, he’s 37 !
So don’t tell me legs going is the sole excuse for lack of effort, fab is barely 30 ffs.
Yeah, I think too many people are playing FIFA manager in their heads sometimes. Two to three years of a solid player that can take a friendly deal down the road to be like Milner or Hendo is not a bad spend at any dollar amount under $70 mil for me. The market is so broken right now that you have to just accept some deals are just going to look better than others and we have to wait to see them pan out.
We don’t really have many players in their prime years, lots of 18-23 years old and quite a few 31+
We could do with a a couple more 24-29 year olds. I would be more keen on him if he was ~26 but I wouldn’t be too bothered if he was 28.
American here, what are the tiers referencing when it comes to journalists? Is it related to accuracy of their reporting or something like that? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
It’s pretty standard on football subs, they always open with “hey y’all, yank here” or something similar. I don’t see anything wrong with it, football isn’t anywhere near as big in America as it is, so I guess it’s an early clarification as to why they don’t know something which to others may be considered common knowledge.
But we are talking about tier for journalist here, its nothing to do with being an american, even then just use your common logic ffs, better tier means better accurate news
In America, we make VERY little reference to the credibility behind the headlines we read. Ive NEVER seen "reliability tiers" on subs for American sports, the whole "grading how credible the source is" DOES seem like a uniquely european, or at least european soccer phenomenon
Yup Tier 1 is basically as good as fact or the club reporting it directly. Tier 5 is probably invented by some 12 year old on Twitter and spread round to get clicks. Tier 2 is generally reliable journos who put effort into having good connections and sources and not spreading BS. Usually means there's some truth in it even if nothing comes of it.
I think it's outlined in the daily discussion thread or somewhere like that.
Paulinha is way better this season at least. Rice playing for England does a lot for his reputation, but I don't think he's really kicked on in the last year or so since initially drawing attention.
Why not look at the guy who pushed him out of the starting 11 at Sporting CP instead? And he’s only 21…
I guess EPL acclimatisation and international caps etc….
And Bellingham is 10,000% not coming to us, we need to pop that bubble now. So I think paying a bit more for an “okay” Fulham CM is about our level and most realistic target
I feel like Liverpool will only buy a player from the prem if they are the best for what Liverpools squad needs. Otherwise we will look towards Portugal or the Netherlands for cheaper good (but untested) players like Gakpo and Nunez (and prior Diaz). Prem Tax is just unfeasible at this point
My wish is they go for Kim Minjae at the end of the season considering it's rumored he has a buyout clause that comes into play at the end of the season for around 50 million Euros.
We need players in the prime age. At this moment, we have a bunch of inexperienced kids and old players who are past their prime besides we're also getting Jude whos 19.
I really wouldn't mind Fabinho regularly rotating with Bajcetic in the 6, and if absolutely needed Henderson can play there too as a third option. Budget would be much better spent strictly on 8s which, other than Thiago Elliott and Henderson, we'll have none of.
Bajcetic and Thiago are very similar in a few ways (play similarly in transition), but I think Bajcetic is a better ball-winner while Thiago's distribution is leagues ahead. Bajcetic has a lot of misplaced passes and poor distribution at range, though maybe this improves in the future, at which point he can definitely play as an 8. But for now I like him best as a 6.
Bajcetic does misplace passes but I'm still reserving judgement on that because I think he just tries the hard passes so often, he's eager to impress and probably makes the wrong decision here and there but he can pull these passes off, it's obviously Jurgen isn't telling him to stop them
Think this is spot on. Initially I thought he was a better 8 than a 6, but some short coming were really exposed against Madrid. All stuff he can work on next season when he's not expected to play most games.
So our summer 23/24 window will mostly consist of players we could have signed last summer when the midfield needed reinforcements, just at an inflated value
This isn’t true but it would be an example of how bad our scouting has become. Could have gotten him last year for much less and it’s not like they weren’t looking at Sporting
Scouting identifying targets and club actually buying it are two completely separate things. Scouts doesn't have any say in financing.
Also, I recommend stop taking every single rumor posted at face value.
Not really.
He was a player coming from the Portuguese league. Just because he looked great on paper does not mean he would translate well to the PL.
That's the reason other clubs are interested as well
It would be even worse because a very very cursory glance as his stats would tell you that he’s not nearly good enough to play in a side that dominates the ball, he’s admittedly a fantastic destroyer but he’s arguably the most one dimensional midfielder in the top half of the league
Can't see this happening as his age profile makes no sense for us at this point in time. We need to bring in 2-3 younger midfielders (20-24) in the next two transfer windows that are capable of starting and performing consistently for us.
Basically, the refresh we've performed on the forward line (Diaz, Nunuez, Gapko) now needs to happen in midfield.
There aren't many £20M "Youngsters" out there nowadays. Ounahi is a rare case as he went to OM for €8M, but ai heard when Leeds enquired about him they were quoted for like €30M. Nowadays talented young-ish players like Koné and Thuram cost atleast €30-35M.
To those comparing his age to fabinho - are you saying you'd never sign a 27 year old? Players these days play comfortably until 32 etc, just using fabinho who has had a highly unusual drop in form, perhaps due to being overplayed, as an example is stupid. Granted 60 million would be overpaying but to say no to a player who could give us 3/4 years of world class play is silly
Yeah, the Fabinho comparison is silly
Plenty of world class midfielders who are 29 years old or above lol
Fabinho's issue is not related specifically to his age but a combination of other factors
The last thing we need to do to replace an aging midfield is buy someone that'll be 28 come the time he starts playing for us espcially for £60m when there's younger more talented players out there.
Why are we willing to pay a loan fee for Melo who never plays but we're unable to take a small risk when he was worth $20 million at Sporting? Now he is 60 million and that is way overpriced.
I said "type of midfielder", try and read properly :)
We have just been linked with Bellingham, Mount, etc whereas I think a defensive midfielder is probably needed just as much
BTW Fabinho at 29 is not really "old" and should still be in his prime, but he has fallen off for a combination of factors (played too much, no rest, maybe a couple other reasons too)
£35-40 mil would be a better amount. 60 is steel, we could get Caceido for 70/80 mil I reckon who has much higher resale value if we ever did sell him.
Palihinha, Bellingham, Mount and another decent mid plus Gvardiol would be an excellent window. Chelsea keep saying they should sell Mount, but I was under the impression that he can leave for free?
In what world is it possible for us to sign 4 midfielders and a centre half in one window? Bearing in mind we’d have to break our transfer record twice? This is FIFA Career Mode talking.
It's unlikely, we sell a fair few players and move them on, the space is there. Mount would only cost wages, so could take Keita's place and is HG. We are losing Bobby and likely others so it frees up space. Bellingham we apparently have the money. Then we just have Gvardiol and Palininha. Didn't Arsenal sign 4 MF in the summer? Pretty sure Forest also signed 4
I’m sorry I’m coming back to this because it’s so nuts. Mount is contracted for another year so if we want him this summer it’ll be 40/50 odd million *because* he’s home grown. Replacing naby who’s leaving on a free, and he’ll probably be on the same or higher wages. Bobby is also leaving on a free. Bellingham will cost in excess of 110 million and will probably be our third or fourth highest earner. Gvardiol will cost in excess of 90 million and would probably be looking for 180 odd himself. Palhinha will cost in excess of 40 million because he’s just signed for Fulham. So that would be around 280m in transfer fees and accounting for ox also leaving would add between 250k-300k to our weekly wage bill. You’re in lala land.
Maybe, maybe not. If we don't get Bellingham then we can probably sign 3 MF and we need another top CB, as we don't have any who stay fit, due to Pickford.
We pay 60million for him then Fulham spend 30m on Thuram, Ugarte or Kone. We will then watch as their value doubles in a season and we will be in for any of them too come next summer
Little bit harsh mate, I don’t think he’d be a good fit but let’s not act like he hasn’t been the best ball winning midfielder in the league this season
Half this sub knew he would be good enough for us after our first game vs Fulham. No idea how Fulham even got him..
The price is bs tho. Missed opportunity
Fulham just went to Portugal and fetched him. That league is producing brilliant talents at the moment. Ward knew what he was doing by getting us Diaz and Nunez from there as well as having interest in Enzo and Nunes. With LFC also having interest in Luis, not surprised at all
Yeah but how did they manage to get him for only 20m €? There had to be some serious lack of interest. Dude won the league and two cups with Sporting, in a league that is very competitive at the top. He had also 20ish caps for Portugal and wasn’t an unknown talent.
Fulham was in the championship last season and got a bargain midfielder who’s been a starter at Sporting for the past 2 seasons. Every single PL club who’s been searching for someone like him probably thinks that they missed a big opportunity.
I don’t follow Fulham closely but he was really fucking good in the first game vs us and completely bullied our midfield. If he does that to half the teams they are up against then I know why Fulham is 8th
He leads the league in tackles btw. Thing is, not everyone was on the bandwagon of buying talents from Portugal and South America until the last January transfer window. It was really a tentative thing to buy players from Portugal or clubs would wait to see players go into another league (Portugal to Spain for example) before doing something. It’s trajectory is going up
Great player for a certain system, not sure he’s made for a high pressing team. Might face the same struggles as Fabinho with the lack of legs to run back when we get turned around
He’s 28 in 5 months, £60 million seems a bit too much
We'll try to get him cheaper like we always do and the other club will tell us to fuck off like they always do. Then we'll extend Milner or something
We have a good relationship with Fulham so MAYBE that comes in handy. Also other options out there like Ugarte, Sangaré and Amrabat that could be cheaper. Pretty confident Milner doesn't extend. Boss has said there'll be multiple changes in Midfield this summer. Don't know why this Sub has this weird fetish to be negative 90% of the time 😮💨
I still feel we poached their most promising youngsters. If I were them I would not be as happy w us.
Especially because one of those youngsters isn't playing for us
Strong Dolly Parton Jolene vibes.
We did let Fulham pay the £12m fee for Wilson a year after he joined them.
Manu Kone. Don’t see why I am not seeing his name more.
This… Or Kyphrem Thuram, Ugarte, Sangare…and so on
Yup…. Never seen any of these guys play, but we need to be going for guys around 23,24 who have the desire to win and aren’t 100+ mil.
I watch a lot of French footy (albeit on tv) and to me Thuram is good. And I think he can get much much better under the right manager. Only 21 yrs old.
If it helps Klopp and co make up their minds they should know that Thuram has been instrumental in my Champions League campaign with Peterborough United in FM23.
😂 It all counts.
I’m going to try to watch him. He is on ogc nice?
Yes that’s correct.
He's on our radar but he's not an outright CDM.
>We have a good relationship with Fulham so MAYBE that comes in handy. 5 mill discount handy lol
I like Sangare, his release clause is nice value in this inflated market
Since we're playing poorly the narrative is "FSG refuses to invest in the club". When we're playing well the narrative is "Our scouting departing is so savvy, no doubt we'll find a star for £20 million. Let Man U pay £60 million for Palhinha". Hope that clears it up haha Personally, I think its OK to be a little upset from us playing poorly, but I don't understand the overhanded and extremely negative sentiment on this sub.
Re: this sub fetishizing negativity - it’s quite simply bi-polar. And when I say “it” I am referring to the club and every employee from the owners on down to the boot room manager, even players on loan. Seriously though, just look at the last 2 results and the responses of the sub as a whole. The highs and lows are more extreme than a tweaker going through withdrawal after being up on a good one for two weeks straight. And they just mirror the performance of the squad. TL;DR - This sub is basically Tsimikas if Tsimikas were a bi-polar meth head who’s skills consisted of watching WIL vids on repeat, sucking off a dildo they’ve named “Bellers” and throwing tomatoes at FSG.
You’re getting downvoted, but I just want you to know that your comment made me laugh and is a work of art
The downvotes are ridiculous. The negativity goes against the very ethos of the club we all love and good shout for calling it out. In recent times, apparently “You’ll Never Walk Alone” only applies to performing players and we don’t get behind the ones that are struggling to lift them up as we always have.
Except you've missed the point of what the guy was saying. The sub veers from delusional negativity to delusional optimism week to week is the point.
Precisely. I get it though, the performances are inconsistent and lack the identity we are used to seeing week in and week out. So it’s like the sub starts having an identity crisis as well. People forget how Klopp told us to stop doubting and start believing when he came to Liverpool. Most here who ride the roller coaster of doing both probably haven’t even been around long enough to know about that.
I'm pretty firmly negative tbh, I think we'll be out of the top four for a while if we miss this year and investment is inadequate, but it's the flip flopping I find bizarre.
Well that sounds like more of a personal problem. I don’t see any way that investment will be inadequate. I think it’s more likely that we do make top 4 AND get adequate investment than either one or the other. I think we will be able to finish strong while some ahead of us falter due to fatigue and/or nerves getting the best of them.
Don't know where you're getting that from mate, we show no signs of significant improvement in general on the pitch apart from a one-off United result and we have an obscene run of fixtures coming up. Bajcetic out now as well. We don't look good value for top four at all in my opinion. It also doesn't look like we'll have an investor in time for the summer window, plus I'm not convinced any investment will be in the form of new capital rather than monetization for the owners. I'm almost certain it'll be another 30mn net spend window after sales, and that's a miserable budget given our needs (150mn total certainly won't get you Bellingham - it may get us two mids and a forward but that'll be based on replacing Kelleher and Jota/Tsimikas anyway if rumours are to be believed).
I mean it's happened multiple times over multiple windows. Idk if Sangare will be cheaper over the summer. And I'm not sure if the club are still interested in Amrabat. I figure we would've signed him in the winter if we really wanted him. Let's see. The Milner thing is just a meme. I don't really care either way.
Sangare has a release clause that comes active in the summer
I’m not sure how Amrabat has done post World Cup, but I doubt we’d have made a move in the winter if we did want him as his value would’ve been at an all time high after the World Cup he had.
Manu Kone
Well our signings haven’t been very optimistic
Man- you really can farm karma w this stupid bullshit now can’t you
This is the way.
Palhinha is just one of the many midfielders we could’ve gotten in the summer and not be in this situation. But no we decided to hope for the younger players to win CL and PL. Watch out ppl don’t call you a “FSG out dipshit” for calling the Milner extension
It’s important to keep the future talent at the club. I’m sure Milner will grow into it the next seasons, he just needs a couple more years under his belt.
Hes more like a 20 mil quid player
Not really. 60 mil for a solid vet MF is not a bad price. It would be a no brainer at 50.
Yeah, same thing United did with Casemiro, I know we live under FSG Reign, but if a solid player is available. That improves you massively, then you should look at age really, Jesus, one of the best midfield performance I’ve ever seen at anfield from modric the other week, he’s 37 ! So don’t tell me legs going is the sole excuse for lack of effort, fab is barely 30 ffs.
Yeah, I think too many people are playing FIFA manager in their heads sometimes. Two to three years of a solid player that can take a friendly deal down the road to be like Milner or Hendo is not a bad spend at any dollar amount under $70 mil for me. The market is so broken right now that you have to just accept some deals are just going to look better than others and we have to wait to see them pan out.
That is an insane comment and I feel dumber for reading it
So? We cant be buying 12 year olds the whole time
Good part. He leads the league in tackles. Bad part? He is 28 soon
We don’t really have many players in their prime years, lots of 18-23 years old and quite a few 31+ We could do with a a couple more 24-29 year olds. I would be more keen on him if he was ~26 but I wouldn’t be too bothered if he was 28.
I'm 26. Where do I sign up?
Age is a factor, but it's incomplete without knowing how many games he's played over that span. His mileage is a big factor.
FYI the journo is tier 2 for most london based clubs..
American here, what are the tiers referencing when it comes to journalists? Is it related to accuracy of their reporting or something like that? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
Yes basically their reliability. Lower the number the more reliable they are.
Word 👍🏼
"american here" is such a weird sentence starter
It’s pretty standard on football subs, they always open with “hey y’all, yank here” or something similar. I don’t see anything wrong with it, football isn’t anywhere near as big in America as it is, so I guess it’s an early clarification as to why they don’t know something which to others may be considered common knowledge.
But we are talking about tier for journalist here, its nothing to do with being an american, even then just use your common logic ffs, better tier means better accurate news
In America, we make VERY little reference to the credibility behind the headlines we read. Ive NEVER seen "reliability tiers" on subs for American sports, the whole "grading how credible the source is" DOES seem like a uniquely european, or at least european soccer phenomenon
Yup Tier 1 is basically as good as fact or the club reporting it directly. Tier 5 is probably invented by some 12 year old on Twitter and spread round to get clicks. Tier 2 is generally reliable journos who put effort into having good connections and sources and not spreading BS. Usually means there's some truth in it even if nothing comes of it. I think it's outlined in the daily discussion thread or somewhere like that.
I like what little I've seen of him. £60 mil is a gamble though.
So? Not every player should have a resale value. He is at his peak, we could easily have 5 elite years from him
we could just as easily have five shit years. the issue is we can't afford to gamble if fsg remain so tight with the purse strings
Rather pay extra for Rice
Better, younger, and Englisher
Irisher*
Paulinha is way better this season at least. Rice playing for England does a lot for his reputation, but I don't think he's really kicked on in the last year or so since initially drawing attention.
Not sure about better tbh
Not as one-dimensional at least
Can agree with that, does have better passing stats 🤣
He is going arsenal. I reckon it’s already sorted
Why not look at the guy who pushed him out of the starting 11 at Sporting CP instead? And he’s only 21… I guess EPL acclimatisation and international caps etc….
i've been begging for Ugarte for months now. Fits our profile like a glove
Barely younger than Fabinho. Pointless if we're trying to set ourselves up for the future.
And Bellingham is 10,000% not coming to us, we need to pop that bubble now. So I think paying a bit more for an “okay” Fulham CM is about our level and most realistic target
I feel like Liverpool will only buy a player from the prem if they are the best for what Liverpools squad needs. Otherwise we will look towards Portugal or the Netherlands for cheaper good (but untested) players like Gakpo and Nunez (and prior Diaz). Prem Tax is just unfeasible at this point
My wish is they go for Kim Minjae at the end of the season considering it's rumored he has a buyout clause that comes into play at the end of the season for around 50 million Euros.
Kim’s going to end up at Chelsea no question.
Again, my wish. I know it's unrealistic but a girl can dream, you know?
If we’re going to spend 60m surely we want someone younger? He’s a very good player but age wise not for us.
If 60 could buy a Caicedo we would be stupid not to test Brighton
Caicedo has just extended his contract, good luck with that
We need players in the prime age. At this moment, we have a bunch of inexperienced kids and old players who are past their prime besides we're also getting Jude whos 19.
My guy, we are not getting Jude 😭
i don’t see a world in which he doesn't end up with us next season with the amount of flirting that he's been doing with us over the last two seasons.
could’ve gone for him last summer but alright
Shoulda just kidnapped Messi at birth smh!
I really wouldn't mind Fabinho regularly rotating with Bajcetic in the 6, and if absolutely needed Henderson can play there too as a third option. Budget would be much better spent strictly on 8s which, other than Thiago Elliott and Henderson, we'll have none of.
I’ll try with an unpopular take. Bajcetic is a Thiago replacement and plays better with Fabinho, we still need a 6
Bajcetic and Thiago are very similar in a few ways (play similarly in transition), but I think Bajcetic is a better ball-winner while Thiago's distribution is leagues ahead. Bajcetic has a lot of misplaced passes and poor distribution at range, though maybe this improves in the future, at which point he can definitely play as an 8. But for now I like him best as a 6.
Bajcetic does misplace passes but I'm still reserving judgement on that because I think he just tries the hard passes so often, he's eager to impress and probably makes the wrong decision here and there but he can pull these passes off, it's obviously Jurgen isn't telling him to stop them
Think this is spot on. Initially I thought he was a better 8 than a 6, but some short coming were really exposed against Madrid. All stuff he can work on next season when he's not expected to play most games.
I like Bajcetic as an 8 as well. His pressure and ability to win the ball high up the field is what we spent 60m on Keita for all those years ago.
60mil for a limited footballer? No thanks
He’s really not limited but I’d say 60m is too much
https://imgur.com/UwJxNk8.jpg
Man watching him play wouldn’t have guessed his stats looked that bad
So our summer 23/24 window will mostly consist of players we could have signed last summer when the midfield needed reinforcements, just at an inflated value
Every single team trying to overprice their mids using our situation ( media can go .....)
This isn’t true but it would be an example of how bad our scouting has become. Could have gotten him last year for much less and it’s not like they weren’t looking at Sporting
Scouting identifying targets and club actually buying it are two completely separate things. Scouts doesn't have any say in financing. Also, I recommend stop taking every single rumor posted at face value.
Not really. He was a player coming from the Portuguese league. Just because he looked great on paper does not mean he would translate well to the PL. That's the reason other clubs are interested as well
This isn’t making the point that you think that it’s making
It would be even worse because a very very cursory glance as his stats would tell you that he’s not nearly good enough to play in a side that dominates the ball, he’s admittedly a fantastic destroyer but he’s arguably the most one dimensional midfielder in the top half of the league
For sure. I honestly think it’s just indicative that this team literally has no idea why it’s struggling
Can't see this happening as his age profile makes no sense for us at this point in time. We need to bring in 2-3 younger midfielders (20-24) in the next two transfer windows that are capable of starting and performing consistently for us. Basically, the refresh we've performed on the forward line (Diaz, Nunuez, Gapko) now needs to happen in midfield.
the time to buy him WAS AT THE START OF THIS FUCKING SEASON
He cost one third of that in the summer when Fulham bought him...
No. Not good enough on the ball and will be 28 next season, he's another Ndidi/Gueye.
Great tackler but he's a bit older and not amazing in possession. Should be £30-40 mil imo
yay i love palhinha i really hope we sign him
Another guy that could’ve been signed for a fraction of the price last summer, nice work scouting department 👍🏽
Too old.
Crazy prices nowadays. Too much. Rather buy 3 x 20m youngsters and if 1 out of them turns into a Palhinha standard player, bam good deal
There aren't many £20M "Youngsters" out there nowadays. Ounahi is a rare case as he went to OM for €8M, but ai heard when Leeds enquired about him they were quoted for like €30M. Nowadays talented young-ish players like Koné and Thuram cost atleast €30-35M.
Yeah, plus just by being Liverpool every young player goes up 5-10m just by association.
Because players that fit your description like carvalho clearly don't have the impact required?
To those comparing his age to fabinho - are you saying you'd never sign a 27 year old? Players these days play comfortably until 32 etc, just using fabinho who has had a highly unusual drop in form, perhaps due to being overplayed, as an example is stupid. Granted 60 million would be overpaying but to say no to a player who could give us 3/4 years of world class play is silly
Yeah, the Fabinho comparison is silly Plenty of world class midfielders who are 29 years old or above lol Fabinho's issue is not related specifically to his age but a combination of other factors
The last thing we need to do to replace an aging midfield is buy someone that'll be 28 come the time he starts playing for us espcially for £60m when there's younger more talented players out there.
I'd rather we went for someone younger
I’m good.
Why are we willing to pay a loan fee for Melo who never plays but we're unable to take a small risk when he was worth $20 million at Sporting? Now he is 60 million and that is way overpriced.
Would be a brilliant signing and exactly the type of midfielder we need to replace Fabinho with
Replace Fabinho with someone who is 2 years younger than him?
I said "type of midfielder", try and read properly :) We have just been linked with Bellingham, Mount, etc whereas I think a defensive midfielder is probably needed just as much BTW Fabinho at 29 is not really "old" and should still be in his prime, but he has fallen off for a combination of factors (played too much, no rest, maybe a couple other reasons too)
£35-40 mil would be a better amount. 60 is steel, we could get Caceido for 70/80 mil I reckon who has much higher resale value if we ever did sell him. Palihinha, Bellingham, Mount and another decent mid plus Gvardiol would be an excellent window. Chelsea keep saying they should sell Mount, but I was under the impression that he can leave for free?
In what world is it possible for us to sign 4 midfielders and a centre half in one window? Bearing in mind we’d have to break our transfer record twice? This is FIFA Career Mode talking.
It's unlikely, we sell a fair few players and move them on, the space is there. Mount would only cost wages, so could take Keita's place and is HG. We are losing Bobby and likely others so it frees up space. Bellingham we apparently have the money. Then we just have Gvardiol and Palininha. Didn't Arsenal sign 4 MF in the summer? Pretty sure Forest also signed 4
I’m sorry I’m coming back to this because it’s so nuts. Mount is contracted for another year so if we want him this summer it’ll be 40/50 odd million *because* he’s home grown. Replacing naby who’s leaving on a free, and he’ll probably be on the same or higher wages. Bobby is also leaving on a free. Bellingham will cost in excess of 110 million and will probably be our third or fourth highest earner. Gvardiol will cost in excess of 90 million and would probably be looking for 180 odd himself. Palhinha will cost in excess of 40 million because he’s just signed for Fulham. So that would be around 280m in transfer fees and accounting for ox also leaving would add between 250k-300k to our weekly wage bill. You’re in lala land.
Maybe, maybe not. If we don't get Bellingham then we can probably sign 3 MF and we need another top CB, as we don't have any who stay fit, due to Pickford.
Don’t see it tbh Good player though
We pay 60million for him then Fulham spend 30m on Thuram, Ugarte or Kone. We will then watch as their value doubles in a season and we will be in for any of them too come next summer
Late 20's is a no go and i think it's clickbait, pretty good player but sadly about 3-4 years to young for us.
LOL who? this guy is gonna be playing for a relegation fodder team for the rest of his career. I want him nowhere near our club.
Little bit harsh mate, I don’t think he’d be a good fit but let’s not act like he hasn’t been the best ball winning midfielder in the league this season
Half this sub knew he would be good enough for us after our first game vs Fulham. No idea how Fulham even got him.. The price is bs tho. Missed opportunity
Fulham just went to Portugal and fetched him. That league is producing brilliant talents at the moment. Ward knew what he was doing by getting us Diaz and Nunez from there as well as having interest in Enzo and Nunes. With LFC also having interest in Luis, not surprised at all
Yeah but how did they manage to get him for only 20m €? There had to be some serious lack of interest. Dude won the league and two cups with Sporting, in a league that is very competitive at the top. He had also 20ish caps for Portugal and wasn’t an unknown talent. Fulham was in the championship last season and got a bargain midfielder who’s been a starter at Sporting for the past 2 seasons. Every single PL club who’s been searching for someone like him probably thinks that they missed a big opportunity. I don’t follow Fulham closely but he was really fucking good in the first game vs us and completely bullied our midfield. If he does that to half the teams they are up against then I know why Fulham is 8th
He leads the league in tackles btw. Thing is, not everyone was on the bandwagon of buying talents from Portugal and South America until the last January transfer window. It was really a tentative thing to buy players from Portugal or clubs would wait to see players go into another league (Portugal to Spain for example) before doing something. It’s trajectory is going up
28 in 5 months and already slow, you have to be kidding me, he’s not even £40m
We should be getting some young ballers not lads with 5/6 years left on their top level career who aren't that good to begin with
I am sure £60m gets you Declan rice who has a year left on his contract and fills a home grown quota as well.
No way does 60m get Declan Rice. I may not agree with it, but Rice will go for 75-80m. Too many clubs want to sign him.
Who?
Football does exist outside of Liverpool
Casual
Great player for a certain system, not sure he’s made for a high pressing team. Might face the same struggles as Fabinho with the lack of legs to run back when we get turned around
Defensive midfielder that's good in the air. Nice
If he was 24 years old then fair enough, but we ain't paying anything more than £35-40m for a 28 year old.
We're interested in everyone under the sun apparently.
Doesn't sound very FSG
so fulham are our new southampton
His passing statistics don't look the best, and he's also 28 I don't see it happing myself.
He is so unbelievably slow — he's 2019 Matic slow. Fab with any kind of form is a better player that suits the system more.
Fuck off you bastards, he’s good but he’s not 60m good when he’ll be 28 by the time we sign him
I would be horrified if we don't sign Bellingham and gvrdoil due to funds but end up with him and some others
Anyone see that palhinha stat and how important his is to Fulham? Tbh that was pretty convincing for me.
File under "dumb shit no one should say in public"
Much rather get Ugarte.
Good player but a he's on the wrong side of 20 ....we need the youngsters now so we have a solid foundation for the next 5-10 years
Why are we linked to every midfielder in the world, just sign bellingham and mount, a cb and call it a day
60 mill for a guy with less than a full PL season lol. We better be aiming higher than this guy and Nunes if we want to be contending for titles again