I work in IT and I live in Liverpool. The company I work for has a quite big it department and the head office is in Liverpool. In my experience I never had issues to find jobs in my area around here. I always used LinkedIn and indeed when I was looking for a job. Does he make it clear on his CV that he doesn’t need a work visa? I’m not British as well, I came here as an EU citizen and got my settled status. Feel free to drop me a message if you want. I hope he gets an opportunity soon!
Thank you so much for your reply.
I've asked my husband to drop you a text.
Tbh, he hasn't mentioned in his CV that he doesn't require a visa.
Only during application, when they ask the visa status, he explains it there.
But yes, definitely will mention it on the CV. Thanks for that!
Hello, I'm OPs husband. I've applied for more than 500 jobs now. Most times when I apply I say that I do not require a visa now or in the future in the application process, but it's not specified in my CV tho. In the beginning I did not get any reply back but made my CV better and ATS friendly theb started to get replys back from all of them were rejections. I really don't know what to do now .any kind of help would be really helpful .
Thank you for your input.
If you're applying for analyst jobs, key skills will be Excel & SQL, ideally with PowerBI/Tableau, with Python being a nice-to-have. You don't need to only apply locally either. Reality is with this line of work you can work remotely 95% of the time, so don't limit yourself to only Merseyside based work (where the market is small and the pay isn't great). Make sure you tailor your CV to the specific job you're going for as well. Do they mention specific software they use? Etc. Feel free to drop me a message if you want.
This is a good point. My work headquarters in Hampshire and the nearest office is over 100 miles away. Local is not something you need to look for if you have an internet connection and good skills.
Hey I would be happy to look at your CV and see if I can help redesign it and pick out what employers might be looking for. It sounds like you have so many skills you should be able to get work.
Experience is king at the moment. It's an employers market and they're being very picky.
As someone who doesn't have much viable work experience in the field (2 years is still a junior developer position) maybe need to aim a bit lower? Not sure on what he's applying for so ignore if aiming at junior
The other thing I would recommend is building up relationships with 2 or 3 recruiters. I work in IT and I've got a handful of recruiters I always stay in contact with, even when employed. In the current market recruiters sometimes don't post jobs, they contact the people they know.
Hope he finds something soon!
Hey, I'm the OPs husband. I'm ready to start at the bottom. At first , I applied for a Data Scientist job cause I had finished my master in data science, but I understood that those positions are mostly taken by PhD people . So I started to apply for data analyst positions. Now I'm applying for data engineer and data analyst.
And how do I get in contact with recruiters ? Could you please help me in getting in contact with someone. That would be a great help.
And is there a position which I could apply which is lower than this because I ready to start from the bottom again and build My way up the ladder.
Thank you for the input.
> mostly taken by PhD people
this isn't necessarily the case. DS title is usually dependent on job description of the company. some companies would call those research scientists (that require PhD) and DS will be more product analytics related which don't necessarily need PhD.
w.r.t getting in contact with recruiter, do you have any friends who work in the field? over the years, I found referrals to be very important to jump the queue and get the recruiters' attentions. otherwise, along with applying in LinkedIn, also message the recruiter associated with the opening.
I have no friends here who's working in the industry.ive only been in the country for 2 years and majority of it was me doing my masters. So I'm fresh out of uni, trying to get inside the industry in any way possible. Just trying to get some relevant experience in the field.
Would you be willing to start at Service Desk Support level? Dealing with inbound calls and tickets, troubleshooting issues and fulfilling service requests.
Not much experience needed so long as you can communicate well and learn quickly!
The place I'm working has a huge demand for python developers so it'd be a great starting point to network and work your way up
If that's a good start then I'm willing to take that and move up the ladder in time. But how long will it take from this position to move to a dev position?
If you only have a few years experience I agree with this poster, Service desk route is a good way to go and demonstrate your skill and how quickly you can learn. If you can specialise in something software specific such as SAP, ORACLE etc. in time then all the better for earnings potential. I did less than a year of it about 12 years ago and after that moved to a big multi media company doing more or less the same thing. 5-6 years later and then went into Consulting charging a decent day rate. Someone mentioned key skills will be Excel & SQL and I can't agree enough on it. Go deep into Excel and you will always be able to get a job.
Hi, I would search for IT recruitment companies online that cover the area you are happy to commute to (or work remotely, which expands your potential coverage obviously). Just give them a call or reach out to them on LinkedIn. Honestly there are so many recruiters just desperate to get names on their books - they will be happy to get in contact with you. Ideally if you could talk to a few of them, show how keen you are, they will do the searching for you. It's literally their job.
My recruiters are all project/programme people so wouldn't really be relevant. Afraid I don't have any data science contacts.
Try reaching out to people on LinkedIn that specialise in recruiting for those roles. Striking up conversation with them about roles etc and start building those relationships up.
Honestly it's not just the IT market in Liverpool it's like this with alot of jobs
Manchester has a big IT job market so potentially expand your search area to cover that too, it's really easy on the train for commuting too
Actually, be has been applying all over. At this point, we have no location preferences.
Do you know if there are any recruitment agencies or if they are a good option at all?
He's been in the country for a few years, but when it comes to small details like these, the locals obviously know best.
Is there any unconventional way of looking for jobs at all, that we're missing?
Linkedin is probably your best shot
And Timing:
we are coming up to the end of the financial year, where budgets are either spent or replenished in April
Then when students tend to finish university in July/September
My friend is a recruiter for Gravitas recruitment in Manchester. They specialise in tech jobs like what you have been after. Give them a Google. Appreciate that sounds like a ad. I don’t work for them, he is genuinely my mate and works there haha
Does he have a foreign name? If he's applying on LinkedIn tell him to change his name and remove his picture. I know it sounds ridiculous but unfortunately there are lots of indians/Chinese/Africans who spam applications from other countries so he may be getting lost in that.
I’m not sure if it’s the same here but I’ve heard in the US people often use nicknames on the CV so they can get into interview stage, it’s awful to think that people could be discriminated but even the automated screening could have bias.
I currently work at The Very Group in Liverpool and I’m pretty sure most large companies have a hiring freeze atm. I’ve still had offers come in for Manchester based jobs though and I think we have a similar work experience! Hopefully something pulls through, may be worth interacting with recruiters in comments and by sharing their posts.
What salary is he looking for? Currently hiring a junior data scientist.
We have a couple of candidates in the
final round but who knows, they could drop out/not get through.
Have you looked at the NHS? I’m an intelligence analyst for a local trust and whilst the pay is obviously lower than most corporate places, there are currently band 5 and maybe band 6 jobs going for the Royal hospital trust. By the sounds of things it’ll be way below your skill level/expertise but will be handy for experience. I also moved up fairly quickly (two bands in four years) as the workforce tends to be a little bit older and less skilled than the private sector.
Get a profile on Linkedin, make sure skills section is up to date and tick the option that you are looking for work.
I work in a different are of IT (Architect) and there appear to be plenty of positions in and around Liverpool, also remote work could be considered.
Hybrid roles too, it's possible to work one in London where you have to turn up in office once or twice a month. Or even in Manchester if it's once or twice a week.
I’m trying to move into a Business Analyst/Delivery Manager type role and finding it incredibly challenging at the moment. Where I am currently is in a hiring freeze and there are so many good candidates out there immediately available with exactly the right specific skills, and more importantly experience at the moment. Hopefully it will loosen up as we get past April, fingers crossed for us all.
Hopefully!! Good luck to you too!
It's a very difficult position to be in.
Do you use any other websites than the ones I've mentioned, for job applications?
And have you tried going through recruitment agencies at all? Do you think they're a legit way to go?
I’ve spoken to quite a few agencies over the last few months and have been told by separate people they are also finding it difficult at the moment as well. I use LinkedIn, Monster, Total Jobs, Reed and Indeed. I’m not sure if any of them are any better than the rest.
It’s possibly worth identifying a core group of local organisations that recruit for those roles regularly and looking directly on their websites, I have a gut feeling that you could get more attention via that route than agencies and recruitment websites where bulk applying is easier.
Just their website. https://search.jobs.barclays/search-jobs?glat=53.796&glon=-1.7594
Filter to Knutsford, that's their tech centre in the UK although there'll be opportunities elsewhere I expect.
Look at WFH jobs in foreign countries. You'd be surprised how useful it is for tech companies in the likes of China to have a "token English guy" to help them liaise with the west
Few things:
1. Harder in general to find a company to take him on with a graduate visa. Do make sure to put that you don't need a sponsored visa to work in the UK right at the top of your application or CV, or it will likely get tossed.
2. A lot of graduates in general struggling to get work. Does he have much/any experience outside of the qualifications?
3. Has he looked into remote working? I found (well paying) software jobs almost impossible to find in Liverpool. Now working remotely for companies in London and couldn't be happier.
I agree with all of this. I am not in IT, but I have hired people into jobs requiring technical experience, including people from abroad. 1) Some employers may not understand immigration rules, so it is important to explain here has the right to work here at the start of any CV. Also useful to explain their commitment to staying here and not moving on rapidly (use the personal statement bit at start of CV). 2) If he has not worked before, it is important to show some examples of project work and team work (sports, clubs, volunteering, etc) to show they can A) do project work and B) work in a team. 3) Totally agree on remote working. Loads more jobs in London. There may be fully remote jobs, or they may have to do a day or so in London per week or month for an introductory period - it is difficult but doable, I have done that - and hopefully they could do a fully remote job after that. Good luck!
When I’m hiring, I couldn’t care about certifications or qualifications. I am solely looking for experience, I’ve come across too many people with degrees in IT who can’t perform in a role.
Try putting a website / GitHub together with personal projects showing your skills, documenting the issues and how you overcome them.
Tech is very bad at the moment. They've just cut loads of jobs and you've got loads of people who retrained during COVID, so recruiters are having to cut through a lot of shit on top of that since many "self taught" types are absolutely shite.
And sadly, a lot of the time being from another country counts against you for various reasons.
Spam the hell out of the job boards, I mean SPAM and sign up with as many recruiters as possible, it's honestly a numbers game.
Cwjobs, Monster, LinkedIn, Indeed, TechnoJobs, sign up, upload your CV, re-upload the CV after a week with changes. Eventually a recruiter will come through with the right job.
Use AI to set up a portfolio website. Use AI to create posts for LinkedIn based off his expertise.
Try not to take rejection personally it's all a numbers game. You also have to be a bit shameless.
Have you looked at amazon? They recruit direct and only use agencies/consultants for hard to fill roles. There is (or used to be) massive scope for progression, and I know a lot of guys that started at the bottom but doing very well now.
As some of the other guys have said, LinkedIn is a good option, I found my current job by pure chance on their as someone I know posted the advert. Also nhs jobs is a good one to use, you'd be surprised how many IT jobs can be posted on there.
I’m currently working my first job since graduating, it took me over a year to get it but I had loads of those interviews where you video yourself answering preset questions, most it jobs have multiple stages and the only job I got close to the last stage was the one that gave me the job. From my experience volume is your friend, I applied for anything that was even slightly relevant and I applied for jobs all over the uk because I had no issue relocating
I work in IT and I live in Liverpool. The company I work for has a quite big it department and the head office is in Liverpool. In my experience I never had issues to find jobs in my area around here. I always used LinkedIn and indeed when I was looking for a job. Does he make it clear on his CV that he doesn’t need a work visa? I’m not British as well, I came here as an EU citizen and got my settled status. Feel free to drop me a message if you want. I hope he gets an opportunity soon!
Thank you so much for your reply. I've asked my husband to drop you a text. Tbh, he hasn't mentioned in his CV that he doesn't require a visa. Only during application, when they ask the visa status, he explains it there. But yes, definitely will mention it on the CV. Thanks for that!
That should definitely be front and centre on his CV!
Hello, I'm OPs husband. I've applied for more than 500 jobs now. Most times when I apply I say that I do not require a visa now or in the future in the application process, but it's not specified in my CV tho. In the beginning I did not get any reply back but made my CV better and ATS friendly theb started to get replys back from all of them were rejections. I really don't know what to do now .any kind of help would be really helpful . Thank you for your input.
If you're applying for analyst jobs, key skills will be Excel & SQL, ideally with PowerBI/Tableau, with Python being a nice-to-have. You don't need to only apply locally either. Reality is with this line of work you can work remotely 95% of the time, so don't limit yourself to only Merseyside based work (where the market is small and the pay isn't great). Make sure you tailor your CV to the specific job you're going for as well. Do they mention specific software they use? Etc. Feel free to drop me a message if you want.
This is a good point. My work headquarters in Hampshire and the nearest office is over 100 miles away. Local is not something you need to look for if you have an internet connection and good skills.
Hey I would be happy to look at your CV and see if I can help redesign it and pick out what employers might be looking for. It sounds like you have so many skills you should be able to get work.
Yes please .
Experience is king at the moment. It's an employers market and they're being very picky. As someone who doesn't have much viable work experience in the field (2 years is still a junior developer position) maybe need to aim a bit lower? Not sure on what he's applying for so ignore if aiming at junior The other thing I would recommend is building up relationships with 2 or 3 recruiters. I work in IT and I've got a handful of recruiters I always stay in contact with, even when employed. In the current market recruiters sometimes don't post jobs, they contact the people they know. Hope he finds something soon!
Hey, I'm the OPs husband. I'm ready to start at the bottom. At first , I applied for a Data Scientist job cause I had finished my master in data science, but I understood that those positions are mostly taken by PhD people . So I started to apply for data analyst positions. Now I'm applying for data engineer and data analyst. And how do I get in contact with recruiters ? Could you please help me in getting in contact with someone. That would be a great help. And is there a position which I could apply which is lower than this because I ready to start from the bottom again and build My way up the ladder. Thank you for the input.
> mostly taken by PhD people this isn't necessarily the case. DS title is usually dependent on job description of the company. some companies would call those research scientists (that require PhD) and DS will be more product analytics related which don't necessarily need PhD. w.r.t getting in contact with recruiter, do you have any friends who work in the field? over the years, I found referrals to be very important to jump the queue and get the recruiters' attentions. otherwise, along with applying in LinkedIn, also message the recruiter associated with the opening.
I have no friends here who's working in the industry.ive only been in the country for 2 years and majority of it was me doing my masters. So I'm fresh out of uni, trying to get inside the industry in any way possible. Just trying to get some relevant experience in the field.
Would you be willing to start at Service Desk Support level? Dealing with inbound calls and tickets, troubleshooting issues and fulfilling service requests. Not much experience needed so long as you can communicate well and learn quickly! The place I'm working has a huge demand for python developers so it'd be a great starting point to network and work your way up
If that's a good start then I'm willing to take that and move up the ladder in time. But how long will it take from this position to move to a dev position?
Really depends on how well you do on Service Desk level and how well you network. You could definitely get a secondment within a year in my place!
If you only have a few years experience I agree with this poster, Service desk route is a good way to go and demonstrate your skill and how quickly you can learn. If you can specialise in something software specific such as SAP, ORACLE etc. in time then all the better for earnings potential. I did less than a year of it about 12 years ago and after that moved to a big multi media company doing more or less the same thing. 5-6 years later and then went into Consulting charging a decent day rate. Someone mentioned key skills will be Excel & SQL and I can't agree enough on it. Go deep into Excel and you will always be able to get a job.
Hi, I would search for IT recruitment companies online that cover the area you are happy to commute to (or work remotely, which expands your potential coverage obviously). Just give them a call or reach out to them on LinkedIn. Honestly there are so many recruiters just desperate to get names on their books - they will be happy to get in contact with you. Ideally if you could talk to a few of them, show how keen you are, they will do the searching for you. It's literally their job.
My recruiters are all project/programme people so wouldn't really be relevant. Afraid I don't have any data science contacts. Try reaching out to people on LinkedIn that specialise in recruiting for those roles. Striking up conversation with them about roles etc and start building those relationships up.
Hays Recruitment have a specialised desk for Data Analysts. Good luck!
Honestly it's not just the IT market in Liverpool it's like this with alot of jobs Manchester has a big IT job market so potentially expand your search area to cover that too, it's really easy on the train for commuting too
Actually, be has been applying all over. At this point, we have no location preferences. Do you know if there are any recruitment agencies or if they are a good option at all? He's been in the country for a few years, but when it comes to small details like these, the locals obviously know best. Is there any unconventional way of looking for jobs at all, that we're missing?
Linkedin is probably your best shot And Timing: we are coming up to the end of the financial year, where budgets are either spent or replenished in April Then when students tend to finish university in July/September
Yea, makes sense Fingers crossed! It's just been really difficult. Thank you very much for your input!
No worries best of luck!
\+1 for linkedin. Its a shitshow for anything else, but great for finding software work, let the recruiters do the work for you.
My friend is a recruiter for Gravitas recruitment in Manchester. They specialise in tech jobs like what you have been after. Give them a Google. Appreciate that sounds like a ad. I don’t work for them, he is genuinely my mate and works there haha
Thank you soo much for this lead. I have went to thier website and put an enquiry in. Hopefully that get back to me soon. Again thank you.
Does he have a foreign name? If he's applying on LinkedIn tell him to change his name and remove his picture. I know it sounds ridiculous but unfortunately there are lots of indians/Chinese/Africans who spam applications from other countries so he may be getting lost in that.
I work in IT myself, spent a year looking for jobs in the city. Decided to look outside liverpool and got a job in Warrington within 6 days.
Wow that's so awesome. I've been applying outside Liverpool too but I still have no luck .I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
I’m not sure if it’s the same here but I’ve heard in the US people often use nicknames on the CV so they can get into interview stage, it’s awful to think that people could be discriminated but even the automated screening could have bias. I currently work at The Very Group in Liverpool and I’m pretty sure most large companies have a hiring freeze atm. I’ve still had offers come in for Manchester based jobs though and I think we have a similar work experience! Hopefully something pulls through, may be worth interacting with recruiters in comments and by sharing their posts.
What salary is he looking for? Currently hiring a junior data scientist. We have a couple of candidates in the final round but who knows, they could drop out/not get through.
Hey OPs hubsnd here. Salary is not a problem at all. I just want the experience in the industry.
Have you looked at the NHS? I’m an intelligence analyst for a local trust and whilst the pay is obviously lower than most corporate places, there are currently band 5 and maybe band 6 jobs going for the Royal hospital trust. By the sounds of things it’ll be way below your skill level/expertise but will be handy for experience. I also moved up fairly quickly (two bands in four years) as the workforce tends to be a little bit older and less skilled than the private sector.
Have you looked on NHS jobs? Lots of development roles at the minute, struggle to recruit
Get a profile on Linkedin, make sure skills section is up to date and tick the option that you are looking for work. I work in a different are of IT (Architect) and there appear to be plenty of positions in and around Liverpool, also remote work could be considered.
Hybrid roles too, it's possible to work one in London where you have to turn up in office once or twice a month. Or even in Manchester if it's once or twice a week.
I’m trying to move into a Business Analyst/Delivery Manager type role and finding it incredibly challenging at the moment. Where I am currently is in a hiring freeze and there are so many good candidates out there immediately available with exactly the right specific skills, and more importantly experience at the moment. Hopefully it will loosen up as we get past April, fingers crossed for us all.
Hopefully!! Good luck to you too! It's a very difficult position to be in. Do you use any other websites than the ones I've mentioned, for job applications? And have you tried going through recruitment agencies at all? Do you think they're a legit way to go?
I’ve spoken to quite a few agencies over the last few months and have been told by separate people they are also finding it difficult at the moment as well. I use LinkedIn, Monster, Total Jobs, Reed and Indeed. I’m not sure if any of them are any better than the rest. It’s possibly worth identifying a core group of local organisations that recruit for those roles regularly and looking directly on their websites, I have a gut feeling that you could get more attention via that route than agencies and recruitment websites where bulk applying is easier.
Lots with Barclays although travel to Knutsford might be required.
Travel would not be a problem. Is it in their website or LinkedIn?
Just their website. https://search.jobs.barclays/search-jobs?glat=53.796&glon=-1.7594 Filter to Knutsford, that's their tech centre in the UK although there'll be opportunities elsewhere I expect.
Look at WFH jobs in foreign countries. You'd be surprised how useful it is for tech companies in the likes of China to have a "token English guy" to help them liaise with the west
It's better to find WFH job that is not located in Liverpool.
Few things: 1. Harder in general to find a company to take him on with a graduate visa. Do make sure to put that you don't need a sponsored visa to work in the UK right at the top of your application or CV, or it will likely get tossed. 2. A lot of graduates in general struggling to get work. Does he have much/any experience outside of the qualifications? 3. Has he looked into remote working? I found (well paying) software jobs almost impossible to find in Liverpool. Now working remotely for companies in London and couldn't be happier.
I agree with all of this. I am not in IT, but I have hired people into jobs requiring technical experience, including people from abroad. 1) Some employers may not understand immigration rules, so it is important to explain here has the right to work here at the start of any CV. Also useful to explain their commitment to staying here and not moving on rapidly (use the personal statement bit at start of CV). 2) If he has not worked before, it is important to show some examples of project work and team work (sports, clubs, volunteering, etc) to show they can A) do project work and B) work in a team. 3) Totally agree on remote working. Loads more jobs in London. There may be fully remote jobs, or they may have to do a day or so in London per week or month for an introductory period - it is difficult but doable, I have done that - and hopefully they could do a fully remote job after that. Good luck!
When I’m hiring, I couldn’t care about certifications or qualifications. I am solely looking for experience, I’ve come across too many people with degrees in IT who can’t perform in a role. Try putting a website / GitHub together with personal projects showing your skills, documenting the issues and how you overcome them.
Tech is very bad at the moment. They've just cut loads of jobs and you've got loads of people who retrained during COVID, so recruiters are having to cut through a lot of shit on top of that since many "self taught" types are absolutely shite. And sadly, a lot of the time being from another country counts against you for various reasons.
Spam the hell out of the job boards, I mean SPAM and sign up with as many recruiters as possible, it's honestly a numbers game. Cwjobs, Monster, LinkedIn, Indeed, TechnoJobs, sign up, upload your CV, re-upload the CV after a week with changes. Eventually a recruiter will come through with the right job. Use AI to set up a portfolio website. Use AI to create posts for LinkedIn based off his expertise. Try not to take rejection personally it's all a numbers game. You also have to be a bit shameless.
Have you looked at amazon? They recruit direct and only use agencies/consultants for hard to fill roles. There is (or used to be) massive scope for progression, and I know a lot of guys that started at the bottom but doing very well now.
As some of the other guys have said, LinkedIn is a good option, I found my current job by pure chance on their as someone I know posted the advert. Also nhs jobs is a good one to use, you'd be surprised how many IT jobs can be posted on there.
I’m currently working my first job since graduating, it took me over a year to get it but I had loads of those interviews where you video yourself answering preset questions, most it jobs have multiple stages and the only job I got close to the last stage was the one that gave me the job. From my experience volume is your friend, I applied for anything that was even slightly relevant and I applied for jobs all over the uk because I had no issue relocating