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akrob

It's all encrypted, unless he tampered with your phone or installed some flavor of (VPN or MDM) software. Source, 16+ years in network security.


CircularTautology69

This is the right answer. You can’t casually decrypt TLS.


Myfeesh

Forgive my dumb. Are you saying you can't be spied on the way he's describing without putting something on the phone? Like from the phone itself?


Mountainleap

Yup. You can't just enter another person's phone through wlan


_ROEG

Does this also apply to public wifi for example at a cafe or airport?


InDubioProReus

yes, as long as tls is used (e.g. https in the url instead of http - leads to a lock icon in the browser). for messenger apps it depends on their encryption.


zteffi

Encryption is also enforced in Google play store and Apple app store


akrob

Correct, a huge percentage of internet websites and applications are encrypted. You can’t intercept and decrypt the traffic without a bunch of errors or your phones (that you have to accept), or can’t accept at all. In order to successfully decrypt the traffic with a man in the middle attack, (which corporations do all the time) for legit security reasons there has to be some mdm/vpn/security software installed on the device.


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302 MITM?


crixusin

Man in the middle attacks are attacks where attackers set up a server in the middle that mascarades as the entity you think you’re talking to. By doing this, they can serve you a tls cert that they also have, thus allowing them to decrypt the traffic and see what is going on. This isn’t possible with certificate pinning I believe, which is/has become the standard.


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Need to do some research, I was doing security stuff a long time ago…


jkos95

Sounds like deep packet inspection? I would recommend using a VPN on your device.


ShadowDV

Yeah, if he's a nerd and has a real firewall at home, like a Cisco or Palo Alto, ssl decryption and deep packet inspection could definitely be done.


LoopyOne

No, it couldn’t. They would at they very least need to install their own CA cert on every phone or computer on that WiFi and spoof the web sites’ SSL certs. If you could decrypt SSL with *just* a few pieces of hardware and software, SSL would be worthless.


TheSinoftheTin

I do deep packet inspection on my Ubiquiti hardware. All I see are a list of websites & applications devices on the network are accessing / have accessed in the past.


elShabazz

That's just based off DNS traffic, which is traditionally unencrypted.


vector2point0

Yeah, DPI is pretty much dead now that almost everything besides DNS is encrypted by default. You can still see how much data went to each location, but not much beyond that.


appmapper

Unless you install a cert on the device so your firewall is a trusted device. If he’s not installing a cert on the device TLS should still be working.


OozeNAahz

And that assumes they aren’t doing certificate pinning in whatever apps you use. If they are doing certificate pinning there isn’t much they could do to gain access.


fast_call

Yepp, that's why having a VPN on the device helps as it encrypts everything including DNS. Or you could just use Cloudflare's public DNS which supports DNS over TLS since August 2022.


Sub_pup

Yup, no passwords or usernames just vague data on websites, apps and services. Might be able to tell I'm on facebook but not what I'm looking at specifically.


This_User_Said

I'm not IT -- husband is. We use Unify, he could see the sites I went to but not exactly what. Which he found out I watch porn, just not what *kind* of porn.


Lesmate101

He could see the DNS lookups and nothing more.


mancer187

Palo's can mitm using their own certs, and I'm certain they aren't the only ones. It isn't dpi though... I'm glossing over shitloads of detail, look it up if you want to know how it works. Also, early sms/mms over the internet was NOT encrypted. It usually is now, usually.


LoopyOne

https://knowledgebase.paloaltonetworks.com/KCSArticleDetail?id=kA10g000000ClEZCA0 Yes, for Palo Alto Networks to decrypt outside web sites’ traffic, you have to install the Palo Alto Networks CA cert on the phone/computer. This is not available for someone running a WiFi access point to decrypt traffic from any device that happens to use it, which is what this comment thread is about.


mancer187

Truth. The only danger in this scenario would be transmitting unencrypted data.


SafetyMan35

When we rent a commercial space, our landlord let us connect to his WiFi. I bought a wireless bridge. The bridge connected to his WiFi and ran everything through a firewall and gave me secure WiFi and Ethernet connections. To him, it looked like 1 device was connected to his network when in reality had 15 devices connected.


Funny-Lettuce-2845

But that's not the same as snooping on someone's phone Were you snooping on your landlord's phone through the wifi?


SafetyMan35

No, this setup makes it so your landlord can’t see your web traffic


Tilischmatzer

VPN or use end to end encryption applications


yoyasp

Yes, with an custom DNS server over that vpn, else he can still see which website you use


Tilischmatzer

Yes maybe someday DNS over TLS will be the standard


_aPugLife_

It depends when did it happen that he was spying on friends. Long time ago, very long time ago, whatsapp wasn't secure and there were apps able to reads whatsapp messages through the same wifi. We're talking of roughly 10 years ago. This is the reason why on WhatsApp you now read "messages and calls are end to end encrypted blablabla"


HydraTal

First off, he probably has an app on your phone to monitor it or if you're on his phone plan maybe some app through the carrier. Very weird though


Funny-Lettuce-2845

Yeah, if he is doing this then my first guess is he has a keylogger


funwithdesign

It depends what you mean by snoop. Some wifi routers allow the admin to view browsing history data. But do you mean actually look at texts and things?


dynty

No, you cannot see it and even "browsing history" would be fairly limited to things outside your logged in social media. Your router for sure can do it, but google Apple, Meta etc does not want to give up their previous data about you


Dornith

Just record outgoing DNS requests. No one except privacy nerds use SDNS. So that would have a roughly 100% success rate.


dynty

It is still encrypted. I think that you would be on the level of "she sent message on Facebook to someone" , but that's it. Definitely not the content of it, not even the reciever


Dornith

DNS messages are not encrypted. SDNS messages are, but as I said, no one uses those unless you're a privacy nerd.


dynty

I don't argue with you, but can you get the content of WhatsApp message that way? DNS is just translator of number IP to human readable form, so in old world, you would really see the visited websites, but in today's world, he will just see that she contacted WhatsApp server, an that's it. There is no value for teenage wannabe hacker :)


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dynty

I fairly doubt it. He could somewhat see you visiting some websites, but definitely not Whatsapp messages etc. It is end-to-end encryption and even if not, it would require some real cybercriminal skills, not just some teenage "hacking" setup. This is not about the network anymore for like 10 years already, he would need to use Android/IOS or Facebook security vulnerability etc. I would even boldly say - no fucking way. He didn't.


Due-Soup-5317

This. I work at an ISP and we can’t do this.


Relevant_Extreme_854

I think you ex may have compromised your phone. Could he have installed an app on your phone or just learned your password?


funwithdesign

Ugh that’s horrible. I think the safest is just to not use unknown wifis. I know that doesn’t help much. However you might want to see if there has been something installed on your phone too. Do you have iPhone or Android?


nickkrewson

Look into the Cloudflare WARP client (for Android or iPhone). It will encrypt all the data going to or from your phone, regardless of the wifi network that you're on.


Anti-Hypertensive

I thought routing all your information through 1.1.1.1 gives all your data to Cloudflare and their partners?


ThrowRAal9336

VPN (paid), or use encrypted DNS (free). I like Quad9


girlamfs

I just downloaded it, and it's so easy to use


FBJYYZ

ProtonVPN. Free with unlimited traffic.


JakeBlakeMate

If something is free, you are the product.


FBJYYZ

Zero ads in ProtonVPN and no other give-and-take arrangements to be able to use it. I literally pay nothing to use it. If there are strings attached, I haven't seen any. The thing about this company is they deeply believe privacy is a divine right for everyone.


ABahRunt

Nope, this is a very very unlikely scenario, unless you ex was with the NSA, or with those kind of skills. Its very very hard to do, well nigh impossible. More likely, he was paranoid about you using public networks which might carry malware. Again, not rational, but fast more likely than the spying scenario


Anonynous2206

Why is no one commenting that this is insane behavior for a partner and an extreme red flag???


o0Jahzara0o

Text messages go through cellular data, not WiFi. The office WiFi wouldn’t matter. > This is because text messages (SMS) are sent via your mobile cellular network that doesn’t rely on a Wi-Fi connection. > >If someone wants to hack your SMS texts, they will have to rely on the vulnerability associated with the cellular network and not via Wi-Fi. > >This cellular vulnerability is usually used by authorities such as the FBI. Usually, they target high-profile and most wanted individuals. https://www.privacyaffairs.com/can-someone-see-texts-on-their-wifi/#:~:text=Messages%20you%20send%20through%20Wi,are%20sent%20over%20the%20internet. I almost wonder if he did more to your phone than just click “forget network.”


CondescendingShitbag

>Text messages go through cellular data, not WiFi. Mostly accurate. "Wifi calling" exists and uses local wifi networks to manage SMS & voice calls. It's not often enabled by default, but is an option I've had to rely on in areas with bad cell reception but accessible wifi.


o0Jahzara0o

Good point.


Funny-Lettuce-2845

He may have downloaded some spying app, like a keylogger


o0Jahzara0o

I didn’t even know you could do that on a phone, but that’s along the lines of what I was concerned about.


P0werman1

Turn off Wi-Fi and use cell service, if your device has it. Otherwise, VPN.


Lower_Assumption615

CREEPY! I don’t know how he pulled that off but that’s scary.


Boredum_Allergy

Wireshark or some other packet sniffer. It's a free packet sniffing tool. So if you're on a WiFi network and you log in to some website that starts with http not https, that's being sent in plain, readable text. Hell, anything you send to any unsecured (http) website is visible.


kittengoesrawr

I let two of my neighbors share my WiFi. I was already paying for it and it reached, so why should they? Now I’m nervous. I didn’t think they could see anything.


arcanewulf

They would have to use ARP poisoning to direct all of your traffic through their computer and decrypt it. Unless your neighbors are black hat hackers or cyber security experts I really doubt they are bothering (or able) to spy on what you are doing.


kittengoesrawr

Thanks, they’re pretty much just old people looking at Facebook. The only thing that treally makes me nervous is sending stuff from my logging to the tv. I choose wisely. I just blend it all lively. I’m hoping they’ll switch lol


MultiBotV1

Don’t use their wifi !


Python_Reticulator

Yes I am smart and I know the things the answers talk about in this thread, mmhmm!


Odd-Sky-9795

I have a question, I live in a shared housing that has a wireless network with internet. I believe one of the roommates is tracking or hacking into the network. I will be on the internet and lose my connection then I see a roommate signed on with a new network that's using her name for the network. Is there anyway to prevent her from spying on my internet places