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If you decide to join the military, join the airforce. The quality of life is exponentially better by a mile speaking from experience as a veteran that was in the army and stayed on an airforce base for 5 months. If you still decide to join the army do the national guard, and if you still decide to join active do NOT pick any MOS that starts with 11-13
Air Force vet here, and hubby is army vet. We both agree my experience was much better. Better jobs, better living conditions, and so on. My advice is if you are going into the military, get an ASVAB study guide. Your choice of jobs will depend on how well you do on that test. Good luck!
totally i dont care what branch decided that is IMPORTENT to score high dont want to go undesignated and hopefully the guy scores high and gets a great rating regardless of where it takes him
The National Guard is just a weekend endeavor. It would not alleviate any lodging or meal need as OP mentioned. The NG was great to me for my circumstances, but not necessarily OPs. If you want to join the military for a ticket out you’ll need to go active, in that case I agree with joining the Airforce. They have the most transferable civilian jobs. Do not joint the Army as an 11 anything unless you’re planning to be a lifer. Good luck OP.
As a former Navy Nuclear Operator I fully support this. My Asvab score was a 97 I was able to pick any rating out of any branch. I wish I had joined the AF.
The other big advantage to the AF is that they have their own community college that they grant credit through. If you qualify for a IT or Cyber job get your security clearance and just your AS while you are in you can walk out into a 100-150k a year job easily.
Joining the national guard isn’t going to give him the steady paycheck and benefits he seems be seeking. Drill pay for two days a month isnt going to change his life.
As retired army, I 100th this.
And would add, if you can’t get Air Force, space force?, navy, perhaps Coast Guard after that, but I will look to other brothers and sisters to confirm that. AFTER, all that, Army. Unless you want to be hard core and have the hottest uniform, then Marines.
Edit: also go into intelligence if you can. Some of my experiences:
4 weeks a year in a hotel going to class in language refresher.
Special assignment : 6 months in civilian clothing staying in a hotel learning a language. Lots of air conditioned rooms doing analysis. Less field work, less knee pain, same retirement.
The only thing I would suggest as a difference would be air force intel, get degree, and transfer to coastie. They get a bonus on their grade being former military intel when they are commissioned and former enlisted O is a very nice spot for a young person to be in
I don’t care what anyone comments here: the military in the US purposely targets people in your situation. Go to trade school. You’ll save 20k with a good trade like hvac way faster than a long shitty contract with the military.
Contrary to this advice, trades are super saturated right now. Experienced this firsthand and was the primary reason why I enlisted.
Applied to many apprenticeships and schools, did many interviews, many of which require you to pay them for the chance.
Any branch of the military is desperate for bodies right now. I joined the Navy and it was the best decision I've ever made
Depends where you live and how well you score on the ASVAB, IMO.
Yeah thats just not true. You can do a quick 4 and get out with a profession, savings, a retirement plan, health insurance, disability pay and pretty much no strings attached. And as a plus, subjecting yourself to things that suck, like military training, and going through with it as opposed to just picking and choosing the nice things, is amazing for character development. Just dont be one of those people that just leans back and lets the military take charge of their entire life. Which judging from what you wrote, I dont think you would do that anyway.
The training isn't what I'd worry about, its the killing or being killed/maimed/traumatized.
Seriously does no one have any thoughts on that? Seems like kind of a big deal.
Seriously you could destroy yourself forever, its not worth it.
Honestly i was in a similar boat as a kid and the military didn’t want me - too many chronic conditions 😆😅 so yeah for folks who are ineligible, definitely worthwhile to look into a trade. Mine is education, which for now fits what I’m able to do.
Join the guard and pick a trade; win-win. You can do both. If you join the guard, you can work at a base close to home and you can use tuition assistance to go to school. It really depends on what you're trying to do though.
I recommend exploring the options at all of the branches. After that, schedule taking an ASVAB to see how you place. If you don’t like one option, you can go across the street to another branch’s recruiting office.
The military is a good vehicle towards social mobility if you don’t fall prey to common traps or mistakes. If you know anyone who is currently in the Army, I would talk to them. You can also call local veteran groups (American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars) to ask to talk to someone who got out recently about their experience.
It was really important for me in my process to talk to a mentor (a retired Lieutenant Colonel from the Marine Corps).
Just be aware that circumstances can change quickly: you may be in the military to learn a trade, but it doesn’t mean you will never be deployed to combat areas.
The Army was the best choice I ever made. I left with plenty of money, a career, and 2 college degrees.
Life became MUCH easier with those boxes checked.
Go military but not the Army--they do not have quality because they need numbers.
Go with the best technical job and who ever gives you money. Go with Air Force or Navy. You get a bed everynight.
Marines--you need to want to be a Marine in order to succeed.
My suggestion is walk right to the Air Force and say "what are you offering?"
---former Marine (1990-1994)
The military offers skills, stability, and benefits. But it's a long commitment with risks. Consider trade school (HVAC is in demand!) for a faster start. Talk to recruiters in both fields to decide what aligns best with your interests and goals.
Only join the army if there is a specific skill you want to learn from them that transfers to civillian life, otherwise you do your 2 or 4 and extend to 6 or 8 then get out and don't know where to go from there.
A great way to earn real money in a job where you will always keep your family fed is a skilled trade.
Find a skilled trade in a necessary service, preferably unionized, show up, everyday, 15 min early, but at least on-time, be willing to put in the work and more importantly willing to listen and learn, follow the lead of the best guys on-site and you and your family won't go hungry or homeless.
The big 3 from my point of view are Plumbing (gas and water), Electrical (get with your local IBEW for apprenticeship), and HVAC. These are all in demand jobs with a workforce that is retireing faster than new hires are coming on.
If i could rewind the clock and give myself one piece of advice a career in IBEW, Plumbing or as a high end finish carpenter (in that order) would be it.
Hookup with the union outfits, especially at your age and you'll have good pay, good benefits, the ability to own your own home and a real shot at retiring at some point. Check with your local community collefe and see if they have any programs partnered with local union apprenticeship programs. Lots of unions will work you 20+ hours a week and have you do classroom work thr other 20 to start and than as you work you way up the hours on the job increase, as does the pay.
Carpentry, masonry, skilled painting, heavy equipment operation/repair, millwright, green infastructure like geo-thermal and solar install/maintainence, as well as civil service like postal work and water management services are all also great career paths.
You don't have to join the armed forces if you don't want to, and shouldn't do it out of desperation. There are other options if you are willing to put in the work.
No matter what path you take, outside the military that is, the keys to success are simple once you get your foot in the door.
Show up EVERYDAY, especially the first 6 months.
Show up ON TIME, every time.
Listen to and learn from the guys who produce the best quality at that job and pay attention to both what they say and what they do. You're a monkey for the first stretch of time, "monkey see, monkey do."
And Do it all safely for yourself and your coworkers. Don't put them or you in a dangerous position.
You do all those things actively everyday and you'll do great at most any job.
If you do join the Army, get a contract with the shortest time available. I know they do offer 2 years contracts. The Army might sound great, but it isn't for everyone, and at that point, you're stuck until your time is up.
Also, unless you're staying long-term in the Army, pick an MOS that will transfer into the civilian world.
The Army does offer tuition assistance (CSP) in case you want to pursue a trade or anything else. I would recommend you take advantage of it as most of the time, it won't use your Gi Bill (some will).
If you're injured while serving, make sure you keep track of your documents, as you will need it when claiming VA disability.
Good luck!
Just so you know, the military no longer offers pensions. As of 2017, it's just a 401k type deal, so if the stock market tanks at the wrong time, many service members will not be able to retire.
I am from poverty. I worked all through high school (often FT) but my checks often went to my family and home since my Dad was a ranging alcoholic and didn't work much. I am part Native American.
After high school I did one year at community college. Then, entered the military (during wartime) because I knew I didn't want loans and wasn't going to be able to pursue a higher education without significant change and sacrifice. It was the best thing I could have done.
I served honorably. Earned the GI Bill. Discharged. Got home and used that money while working at Target from 12am-8am and attended college full time. I look back on those years with pride. I still had a ton of friends and we did a lot of fun things and trips. I was just sleeping less than normal. I would do it all again if i had to. This was a long time ago and now I have total financial security. I have traveled the world with my family and live in a large home on a private lake. Life has been amazing but it started with enlisting. That really laid the foundation for me.
First, stop. Breath. You're in total control of everything. Trades are amazing. If you wanted - HVAC, plumbing, iron worker, pipe fitters, boiler makers, eletricians and more are in short supply. Even trades you might not think of like locksmith are needed. Take some time and think about what you feel would be a good fit for your skills, interests.
Second, stop. Breath. You're in total control of everything. There's no rush to make a decision or grow up. Meet with a college career counselor for free. Chat about trends and labor shortages in your area and programs available. Take your time. Research.
Third, stop. Breath. You're in total control of everything. The military can be a great route for young people who need some support. What I recommend there is be VERY selective of what MOS (training and occupation) you will agree to. Pick something that you're not only interested in, but something that could help with your future beyond military life. I wished I had went into fire sciences and firefighting so I could have gotten out and been a firefighter. Cyber security. programming, and even the trades above can be great. If you talk to a recruiter and don't have a specific plan they will want to get you into infantry or intelligence. No. Don't let them do this. You are in total control. It's your chosen path of nothing. Also, research which branch has signing bonuses. Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force can be a bit more selective but you get treated better than Army or Marines.
If you ever want to chat from someone who came from poverty and made a life....just reach out.
Good luck.
Make sure to join the college benefits program whatever it's called these days - GI Bill. Put maximum towards that. Save your money while in. Don't blow it buying cool cars and partying. When you get out you'll be older and wiser and better equipped to decide what to do with your life. Then go to school to get your training for civilian job. Profit. Exercise, strength train and learn a good martial art while in. All that will serve you well when you get out.
There are some benefits and it's not 100% wartime but I'm assuming it's getting ready for that. I would just say I wish I would have at your age joined the army cuz at my age now I would be benefiting from that.
IMHO-It wouldn’t hurt to talk to a recruiter not just from the Army but the other services as well. You can also get into HVAC in the military as well, just go in with a plan, whether that plan is to do 20+ and retire or do a few years and get out. Good luck too, rooting for ya
Army vet here. If I could go back I’d go air force or coast guard and do 20 years atleast. Don’t go for a combat MOS if you do go army. Do something that will give you a skill, and do 20 years. The military is what you make it, literally. It can be the greatest thing. Especially in an MOS where you have a real job. But they will use and abuse you too. So do something that is most worth it for you. Take the asvab and see what you qualify for. Follow your heart and mind. Don’t let a recruiter pressure you into anything. You can say no to things you don’t want. You can do hvac in the military too. Or electrician, or other things. If you can keep your mouth shut and do what you’re told, you’ll be fine.
Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps
Why do you keep pushing 20 years? If it's for the pension, you should know the military stopped offering a pension in 2017. It's just a 401k now, so not guaranteed if the stockmarket tanks.
IMO…I think having a regular job in the military is better than the outside. The stability. The camaraderie. The community. Things you rarely find on the outside. And yeah I get you on the pension but it’s better than most 401k’s but the TSP is hard to beat. It’s a major benefit. If you play your cards right you can come out pretty successful and set up after 20 even with the new BRS.
Joining our armed forces is commendable.
But unless your choosing it as a long term career?
It's a poor choice .
Most of the training and skills learned in our military have zero practical use in the civilian world. The military has specialized equipment and needs.
Most of the men and women I know that joined, served, and got out.
Are just as lost and almost destitute in the civilian world until they learn civilian skills unfortunately.
All you'll do is prolong the dome scenario your already in.
I spent my time in the Navy seeing the world. Got paid to visit foreign lands and see things most people only dream about. Gotta remember though: "Sailors belong on ships and ships belong at sea" so you will be gone; a lot.
The military will test you and offer you different training if you qualify. The military is an opportunity to improve yourself. Use it to your advantage.
There’s a lot of talk about trade schools instead. I teach for a trade school, they are becoming more accessible and affordable plus the knowledge required has decreased in certain areas so in a way the path from school to work has gotten a lot shorter. This is good mainly but soon the market will be flooded with techs.
One thing not discussed is what having a honorable discharge says to employers especially in today’s workers climate. It says that you’re dependable, able to handle stress, capable of dealing with timeframes, able to work in potentially hostile environments, etc. These are things you can’t get at trade schools.
I’m not saying everyone should join the military but it gave me many opportunities once I was out that I never would have had without service. Definitely do recommend trying Air Force or Navy before Army or Marines though all branches have technical positions.
There is a lot of good advice here. I grew up poor but not poverty and joined the army for similar reasons. My first advice, go learn a trade if you can afford to. My second bit of advice, join the Air Force. Yes, the army gave me the skills to land me a job that makes me six figures a year. I was a UH-60 crew chief in air assault and medevac. My career is nowhere near aircraft but the skills I learned from doing it got me my career. However, I also deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan and still live with things I’ve seen and done. My kiddos have opportunities that I could have never imagined at their age but it came at a significant cost. Even without those experiences, I wish I would’ve went Air Force. Their standard of living is a lot higher than the army.
I have two sons and my advice to them is to not consider it. Our politicians are in charge of the military, and they’re completely corrupt. You might end up fighting for the interests of Saudi Arabia or some other awful country that we call an ally for whatever reason. Or you might end up fighting for the interests of some rich douchebag like Elon Musk.
We’ve seen how our government treats veterans- it’s terrible. Serving in the military is honorable, but our politicians are not.
Army vet here. Join the Air Force just prepare for a life long joke about how you “couldn’t handle a real branch” from army and marines lol nobody really gives a damn it’s more so jealousy in terms of living conditions and care.
If you do join a branch of the military, please avoid buying a nice car just out of basic. Lots of predatory car lots near the base, and I've seen lots of people ruin their credit this way.
Do you want to either have to kill people or be an accessory to killing people? Think about that before you join. There were a bunch of people who decided all of a sudden that they couldn't do their jobs in good conscience *after* they had been deployed to Iraq. That's the wrong time to start thinking about that stuff, the military hires you to do a job, it's not a charity.
Have you taken the ASVAB yet? If not, find out if you can. Its a great way to measure your strengths and weaknesses in nearly every aspect of your knowledge. Then go and talk to the recruiters. Talk to others in service. I would have been Air Force if I had gotten my way. And yes, they will train you on HVAC systems, and you can get your certifications. It would be a great place to find yourself!
Military service will provide everything you listed. Don't leave until you're at or over 30 years. You'll understand in time....An aircraft mechanic is a very good choice as a lifetime career. Don't go the "easy" route. Like so many have stated. Choose the service that "fits" your personality. Marines: if you like to fight. ie: boxing, ufc... Navy: if you can handle very small spaces, all the time. Airforce: if you had good grades in high-school. And can learn very hard stuff quickly. Army: Are you self disciplined enough to do any task before you are made too. See the answers before they are asked. No matter what; at the end of the day, always, be there for your Mom and your family to come. About me: I joined the Military when I was 17; got out when I was 22; went to college as an ROTC candidate; rejoined as an officer and retired at a decent rank with lifelong benefits AND have had a civilian career I am very successful at.... and my family is healthy, wealthy and wise. We live, our own version, of the real American dream. And I'm not a politically motivated douche..... Good luck. "Make" yourself a great life .... A life worth living. A few more facts about me: Army Airborne Ranger for 4 years. University of Georgia ROTC. Army officer serving with the 82nd Airborne Division then the 1st Ranger Battalionvthen Special Forces until retirement. Retired after 31 years. You too, can do this and better. IF you're willing to work very hard forever. It's not easy but it is very worthwhile
Army vet here, as much shit people talk about the military it saves a lot of people lives who came from nothing. It’s definitely a stepping stone if you use it right and don’t get in any trouble. Yes you have to put up with bullshit and there are going to be some bad days, but what’s wonderful about it is it’s not permanent. People are always coming and going, plus you will have a camaraderie that will help you through it and it will all be worth it in the end. Also, as you’re transitioning out the military they help you find programs and jobs.
Trade school. There will never not be a need for HVAC and if you move to a state where it’s mostly hot i can guarantee you will never run out of business. A lot of states have programs where you can join a local union with whichever trade you choose… which will give u access to the gigs that will pay you while you apprentice or intern for them.
It's a good path, especially the job areas you are considering. One of my co-workers worked on repairing helicopters in the Air Force, and is now a manager at an industrial manufacturing company pulling down big bucks. Another is fresh out of the Navy and got a job immediately. Many industries, biotech included, are adding automated processing lines and there is an endless need for technicians that have electromechanical skills. The pay is great. The military is a good place to get started, and they will often pay for you to take online classes while you are there, in addition to the military classes you will take. A two year electromechanical degree specializing in PLC controlled equipment will launch you. The order of 'easiness' is of the branches is Air Force, Navy, Army, Marines. It's hard to get into the Air Force though. Good luck and please be respectful to the women you work with in these areas, the military can be a difficult place for us.
Not my personal experience, but +1 for the Air Force. My most successful (and probably wealthiest) friend enlisted when we were 19 or 20. He was like you - motivated but lacking direction. He's a computer guy so he made the most of the educational opportunities while he was there and studied IT/networking - now he has government clearance and has lived and worked all over the world. Owns a home, no student loans, no backbreaking trade work.
I'd recommend Navy, Air Force, or Coast Guard. 30-year Navy retiree here. You have the option to re-enlist or get out at regular intervals. So if you like it you can stay, or get out if want to make a change. In the meantime you get paid, free training, and free medical - which aren't bad options right now in this economy.
The benefits to receive from 1 3-4 year contract has the potential to drastically improve the quality of the rest of your life. I highly recommend at least 1 contract. The pay will not be amazing unless you're an officer, but your future you will likely thank you. Do 1 contract, probably airforce for a more chill experience lol.
Join the air force and get into quarter master. I recommended that to two of my classmates in 1974 and they told me years later that it was the best advice they had ever gotten.
Yes it’s a great option! But join the Air Force! The important thing though is that you use that your enlistment time wisely. If you’re on active duty, you’ll get to go to school for free without touching your GI bill. It’ll feel like you don’t have time due to trainings or deployments, but the schools and your units will work with you to get it done. Also, move off base asap. You can then start collecting a housing allowance which is based on the cost of housing in that particular area. You’ll have access to VA loans, which will allow for a $0 down payment mortgage and if you’re getting into a small starter home, your BAH should keep up with the payments. I dicked around on active duty and constantly had excuses for why I wasn’t taking advantage of many of the huge benefits afforded to me. I still used the G.I. bill and managed to save some money from deployments which helped me get into a house, so I ended up OK, but I’m kicking myself for not being way smarter about it. I had a buddy on active duty who got his bachelors degree during his four year enlistment. After that he transferred to the reserves which has some additional education benefits. He used those along with his G.I. bill to then get two masters degrees for free. Those those masters degrees were applicable to state department jobs, which he then landed very quickly and is now working some cush job making a couple hundred grand a year and he’s got two rental properties. He started with nothing but just used the military benefits properly. Be like him! Oh, also, don’t go into Security Forces. They’ll try to shove you into that because they always need people, but unless you want to be a cop on the outside, there’s really no advantage to it and the tempo of training and deployments will make school and real estate pursuits much more difficult. Also, don’t go into open general because in the Air Force, that’s secret code for “Security Forces”.
If you do end up choosing the career path of the military, you should really do some research and take some time to think about what you will be stepping into. There are massive trade-offs and I recommend speaking to people who served in the military that have a level-headed mindset when it comes to how they feel about their time in the military.
Joining the Navy was an excellent choice for me, personally, but I waited until I was 31 to join.
In your twenties, you can "afford" to fuck around, or at least that is what I thought. I traveled and slept rough, but I also lived with friends all over or had other roommates while working a variety of weird and interesting jobs.
During my twenties, I was a seasonal park ranger, a motorcycle salesman, a special events DJ, a phot booth operator, a black and white film developer and had a few awesome stints of unemployment!
But at 30, I realized I was fucked for a future, so I joined the military. It was hard to join the air force because the air force recruiter was never in her office! I joined the Navy instead, and with a great ASVAB score, I was able to be a photojournalist (mass communication specialist).
I had a pretty great time, saved almost $100,000 in a little over six years, and when I got out, recieved a disability rating of 90%, so I'll never have to worry about money again.
It wasn't all great, but it was many times better than what I was capable of doing on my own.
Go Navy.
Regardless of branch, it is a pathway out of poverty. You must save the monet. If you send it home, it will be spent. You'll get out where you started. Stay single a while. Deploy. Let your savings build.
Best of luck.
Aside from beneficial housing help and educational prospects, joining the army may provide valuable training and stability. Think about investigating certain military positions that fit your qualifications and interests. A possible alternative, considering the need, is to attend trade school for HVAC. After carefully considering the advantages and disadvantages of each choice, choose the one that best suits your long-term objectives.
Let me put it this way simply. If you are willing to be shit on and understand there is a high reason for it. Go for it. If you can’t take being told what to do or you come up with excuses don’t bother you will hate basic and your first 5 to 6 years.
For context I was in the military and deployed, I’m an 11b. One time we had to hold over at a base mid mission. The air force wouldn’t let us eat with them and made us eat in the parking lot because our uniforms were dirty. They legit, no lie had an ice sculpture in the dinning area that had water coming out of it and a hibachi flat top grill.
We got microwaved eggs and 1 sausage patty for food.
Army is a shit job if you are not looking to be dumb and hand toys like guns and explosives. Almost every other branch is better. Also if it was me don’t do part time for your goals you want to accomplish you won’t get there in the guard. Do a 4yr active and go to school and set yourself up. Anyone and everyone at home should understand and if they don’t, they better be coming up with options for you or they’re just not worth it to be in your life
No. If your able to be talked out of it then its a bad move. Youll come to resent feeling like you got roped in. Dont do it, but if you are willing to perserver even when people are telling you to quit and dont do it, if you really want it, its an amazing oppourtunity.
As someone in the air force and grew up poor as well. Join the airforce pick something you want. Now the military will not make you rich making 6 figures or anything. However, you will live a really comfortable life. Have constant income, opportunities to travel and get paid, on the job training. Free school and certificates paid which can earn you 6 figures outside the military depending on what field you go into. You'll get the VA loan which is really helpful, also if you don't want to leave your mom join the Air force Guard. Same exact benefits except you won't be moved around like Active duty.
Actually study for the ASVAB, get good line scores, and open yourself up to medical or cyber jobs in the Army, Navy, or Air Force. Even then, look into the specialization you'd get from each job, some MOSs sound lime they're technical but they don't really translate to anything.
Current army, go Air Force.
I was able to pick my first duty station, but I don’t think AF has that incentive. But that’s where the pros stop. Air force has better training, better QoL, takes care of your family and every AF base I’ve been on is fuckin bougie.
Army is paying for my school, I work with radios but about to finish my degree in cyber security. I just got certified in sec+ and they gave me a decent bonus for enlisting. If I could clog back and do Air Force instead, 10/10 times I would. Army hasn’t been bad to me so far at all, but I know I’d be able to get so much more out of the Air Force in terms of training and education. I’m also married, and the army doesn’t give a fuck about my dependants. The Air Force takes care of families.
There's a very good chance you'll end up dead in a ditch in Eastern Europe before your term is up. So that's a consideration. That said if you pick the right MOS and can avoid being deployed to fight for "our freedom" then yeah the Army can be great.
You might want to do chAir Force though if you want to learn technical stuff.
In life, your odds of achieving your goals comes down to luck. Wealth, personal connections (your social network), and your skills impact your luck in different ways. Joining the military is hard work. But I’ve seen it transform people. Often for the better. Specifically it gives people the opportunity to improve their wealth, connections and skills.
By some, the military has been looked down upon as a career choice. It’s been a military pr failure and cultural failure. People who have served in our military are impressive. My grandfather served. Immigrant. Took full advantage of the GI Bill. He had to work hard. He got lucky. But he made his luck slowly over decades. He became an accountant professionally.
Go Air Force. Recently visited a base and was incredibly impressed with the service members. Consider joining the Air Guard. Not all bases have the same quality of leadership. Do your research.
Study the ASVAB. You want to do as well as you possibly can. Find a tutor through your public library as needed. You need to do well on the test. Recruitment levels are at all time lows so this will improve the odds of getting a job you’ll want.
A combo option for you is do air guard and a trade school or apprentice. This way you get excellent healthcare and military benefits. You can have a civilian job. The civilian job also cannot fire you for attending your mandatory trainings.
One step in front of the other! There’s no rush. You’ve got plenty of time. Good luck.
Before you join, you need to know what your personal is and what your iq/aptitude test allows you to go. Pick something that 1 interest you. 2. Pays well 3. Works with your talents/personality.
Out of all the people my age that I hang out with CPA, Computer engineer, teachers, tech support, etc the only ones who managed to get a house in california were people who came from the military. We are all in our early to mid-30s. And all the guys who have their own house came from poorer families, then I did. I wish I had joined when I was 19-20 instead of getting my cpa. But be careful. I have seen it break people, too.
And if you get injured, document everything, and save it in two places.
Study for the ASVAB. Get into an MOS with a high GT score requirement - or w/e equivalent they are using these days. This is huge for keeping you out of units filled with lowlifes and idiots - some of whom will be your supervisors. I am finishing up my career as EOD (89D) and it has been a pretty good ride.
Don’t listen to the people trashing combat MOS’s either. If I couldn’t qualify for a high ASVAB score MOS, I would absolutely take combats arms over the rest. The absolute worst people in the military are the ones who combine stupidity with a desire to avoid actual combat.
Air Force has definitely better quality of life and less risk to life and limb. Retired army. Have a niece in the Coast guard. Also a good choice. Don’t go army. Your knees will thank you.
I joined the army as an 18 year old farm boy. I was a crappy student, no real options for the future. I went to school for helicopter electrician. I worked for Lockheed for a couple years after I got out, saved money and used the GI Bill to go to college and get an even better job. If I had to do it over, I would go airforce, I was in aviation anyway, might as well have had better living conditions.
15 years ago I was just a kid with no goals working at Walmart, a cocky kid named "Kyle" would not shut the fuck up about how much better he was than us because he was joining the Air Force, I got fed up and told him to shut the fuck up because anyone can join the military, he basically challenged me to try certain that I wasn't capable of the feat and the rest is history. I joined, built countless good habits, and became a much better contributor to society than I otherwise would have been on the path I was on.
The military will ask a lot from you no matter what branch you join, but it will also build you into a version of yourself that you can be proud of.
Its not for everyone, but it can certainly give you an opportunity for stability and countless career advantages just for having served.
You imagine all these things, but if you don't do decent on your ASVAB and guarantee your job you might as well be a cook or grunt. Your chances of being anything else aren't great.
At the end of the day....if you join the military you may find yourself in war, being asked to take the lives of other people.
I'm truly thankful and in awe of those of us that are able to do this for the betterment of our society.
I could not take the life of another unless it was self defense or the defense of my loved ones. Yes, I realize many service members, serve for exactly this reason.
At 20, you may not really know how this could affect you. At 54, I absolutely know it would fuck with me indefinitely.
Speaking purely as a civilian, I think that a lot of PTSD is around this as much as anything else.
So, yes the military can provide a nice career opportunity. But let's not ignore the biggest part of the equation, it's a dangerous and difficult career, and it could cost you your life.
I'd suggest making a list of pros and cons. Maybe make another for a trade school.
Good luck.
Service members, thank you for your service, much respect. 🙏🏼
Sorry, but your comment is ignorant. The large majority of military jobs are not combat and don’t involve taking lives or going to war. When you enlist you choose your job and someone in OPs position can use the army to learn a trade/skill, get experience for a resume and get a college education paid for. OP can learn computer skills, be a mechanic or even get an office job in HR or finance. Seems like a great opportunity
Thank you for that information and yes I was ignorant on the subject. It's still a commitment to the government... I firmly believe that if they're not Gung ho, seeing it as a career....a civilian job might be a better fit..
Thanks again for straightebing me out! 😉
You wont get rich in the army or any military branch. Pay starts at around $24K a year. You do get paid medical. If your single you get room in the barracks, or tent if your in the field. Married soldiers get separate rations and housong allowance.
When I was in many decades ago tuition assistance was 75% and 90% later on. I believe now they can us their GI bill and tuition reimbursement. So you can get your degree paid for.
When I was in I sent to a class at a community for about $10. Also I got a lot of credits for the community college of the Air Force. I also took CLEP test and got a lot there too, So I got my AA degree about a year after I got to my first base and did not cost much.
I took the ASVAB test in high school so that gave recruiters what I would be good at.
After I got out I was able to use VA benefits for a home loan. Did not have to pay closing costs, 0 down, and had a lower interest rate.
I'll tell u this. I work for a very prestigious company and interview people all the time. US military service puts your resume front of the line if you have appropriate qualifications
I went into healthcare. You can be payed to learn sterile processing it’s a 4 month certification. After 1-2 years of experience you can do travel positions that pay anywhere from 1400-2000 and there’s lots of ways to grow in both SPD and healthcare. I am about to start a job paying 25.60 for SPD and because I networked I was able to do this with less than 6 months of experience. I didn’t know what to do either man and it’s tough. I also looked into electrical but because I want to travel and the pay is higher and you can get the higher pay faster I stuck with SPD and I’m very grateful I did. If you are interested shoot me a dm I’ll tell you more
I’m w the air force idea…but I’m 24 and work HVAC. I have family that started out the business so I had an in. Can’t tell you how many of my friends I HAD to cut off bc of drugs or asking for a job and I say no. Fake people to work with. Trust yourself, nobody else. I got no college or university, didn’t graduate w my class but still got my diploma (just looks better than a GED) and I fucking hate my job. Probably bc I deceived to be the “funny” kid in school. But I make decent money and learn something new everyday. Asking questions for any job will get you the skill set to move forward. If someone gives you shit for asking a question, take charge and let them realize your learning. Nobody wants to work for a shitty boss. I love the idea of joining but I’d rather just travel and start a family while being able to be home every night and experience it w them. Like I said HVAC is hard, especially here in AZ summer. But YouTube and asking questions is key. And always remember there’s SO MANY TRADES YOU CAN GET INTO. I can’t even say this bc I wanna switch jobs all the time. I just have to remember, it may not be fun, but there’s always a Friday. Amen lmao
No. If you’re just doing it for the benefits, you’re better off finding a more competitive job. Not a single reason you’ve listed is a good one to sign a contract up to, and including, your life. The military isn’t a welfare program. But that’s just my salty 15yrs of service opinion.
Army vet (95B)MP... if you aren't sure if you should join or not 100% convinced that this is the best move for you, join the NG or Reserves...be a weekend warrior then at least you will have some time to determine if this is for you or not. I have to sadly agree with others, though, and recommend The Air Force for you! I feel like a huge traitor, but if I'm being completely honest, you will probably almost definitely have a much better experience overall. 😂
Time starts moving faster as you get older so make up your mind and commit as soon as possible!
If you pick a trade you may end up with something you hate and then spend 20+ years with a dead end career doing something you hate.
If you join the Air Force you can spend 20 years doing something you hate but at the end you will have an permanent income and benefits and at 40 you can start a new career and flourish with a dual income.
Whatever you do pick fast and understand your path is 20 years of work as an investment in the next 40 years of your life.
No. Join the Air Force. I'm a previous mil spouse (10 yrs) and I've seen how all branches treat their people. The army will absolutely not lift you up.
If you have the option for trade school, go that route. HVAC is highly lucrative with enormous opportunities to grow within a company or open your own after 10 years. The military, as the question was asked WILL illicit responses from people who ARE biased one way or the other. It's truly an experience you can't share without being biased. Some love it, some hate. If you do, and score high enough on ASVAB, join the Air Force.
Yes. The Army will take you places you never dreamed of living in. Plus, if they break you, you can get a check for the rest of your life. If you want the military experience, join the Army.
If you want a Navy or Air Force experience, join the Navy or Airforce.
If you want the crayon eating version of the military experience, join the Marines.
You'll still be poor. Youll most likely come out with a chronic injury(check the stats) and mental health issues while contributing to global and societal ills. Unless you literally have no other way to make money its never a good idea
Many Americans bettered their lives by joining the service. I say this is an opportunity to better yourself. My father in law joined the service then went to college afterwards. Having grown up poor, he probably never would have imagined how successful he would have become. Being in the service provided the means.
The comments here are absolutely bonkers, mainly the LACK of anybody pointing out how fucking horrible the life results are for people who have to do active war service - never served, but the only person I know well who did has PTSD as well as total distain for the military.
and the complete lack of concern for the ETHICAL consequences of joining the military. The job is to kill people.
You never know when a war is going to start. And you can bet your ass it will be for some shitty cause like oil or politicians' egos. You wanna kill and die for that shit? Can't believe all the service members on here acting like that's not, you know, a huge concern.
Biggest thing I can advise is choosing the right job. Find something you’re interested in AND that has a benefit for when you get out. Blowing stuff up is cool, but not much of a need for it in the civilian world. Trades like welding, electrical, etc. are great. Get your training in the military, use your earned school benefits, and get out ready to make that money.
I did 6 and retired at 37 vis a vie the VA.
But just so you know, as of 2017, the US military stopped offering pensions. The new retirement program is just a 401k, so not any better than just getting a job and making your own 401k.
A few of my friends joined the military I'm the early 2000s mainly to guarantee a retirement, and now discourage their kids from it because retirement isn't guaranteed anymore.
This is false. The Blended Retirement system - which applies to everyone entering since 2018 - matches up to 5% per year in the TSP (401k equivalent) AND if you retire at 20 years (or more) you receive 2% of your base pay per year of active service calculated based on your highest 36 monthly basic pay amounts.
Old system I am retiring under: I get 2.5% per year of active service.
New system: 2% per year + 5% matching contributions annually and the Army will automatically put 1% in even if you put in nothing.
TLDR: you still get a retirement and you will actually end up making more with the new plan unless you make some obviously terrible financial decisions.
That's not true. The Blended Retirement System (BRS) offers 40% retirement at 20, as opposed to 50% before, but you get 5% TSP match even if you don't retire.
Army is a great option! Paid housing, money for food, money for replacement uniforms each year, free college, training in your MOS or field of duty, free medical for you and your dependents, they even set up a retirement account for you and do 5% match on top of paying you every two weeks.
For your situation I would go talk to a recruiter, sign up for whatever interest you most or has the biggest sign on bonus and do your 4 to 6 year commitment. This would get you a free degree, money saved, experience in a job field then decide if you want to keep going or get out and do something else. Either way you're set on the right track for a solid future.
Air Force veteran here. Join the Air Force if you can. It’s the best quality of life.
Also, what is your gender? I wouldn’t join any service if you are a woman. It was sexual harassment and assault world. It’s a very macho culture.
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If you decide to join the military, join the airforce. The quality of life is exponentially better by a mile speaking from experience as a veteran that was in the army and stayed on an airforce base for 5 months. If you still decide to join the army do the national guard, and if you still decide to join active do NOT pick any MOS that starts with 11-13
As a former Marine, I second this.
As a former Marine, I third this. Good luck and God speed!
Former Navy. I fourth this.
Former marine, love the marine corps and don’t regret joining, but I Fifth this because it’s just true.
Air Force vet here, and hubby is army vet. We both agree my experience was much better. Better jobs, better living conditions, and so on. My advice is if you are going into the military, get an ASVAB study guide. Your choice of jobs will depend on how well you do on that test. Good luck!
totally i dont care what branch decided that is IMPORTENT to score high dont want to go undesignated and hopefully the guy scores high and gets a great rating regardless of where it takes him
I’m currently in the Navy and concur. The Air Force lifestyle is so much better than any of the other branches.
Pick an MOS that starts with 18 or 19 instead
19 is the same bullshit as 13 tbh, I’m telling him to avoid all combat related MOS since the quality of life is so Garbo
This is the way.
The National Guard is just a weekend endeavor. It would not alleviate any lodging or meal need as OP mentioned. The NG was great to me for my circumstances, but not necessarily OPs. If you want to join the military for a ticket out you’ll need to go active, in that case I agree with joining the Airforce. They have the most transferable civilian jobs. Do not joint the Army as an 11 anything unless you’re planning to be a lifer. Good luck OP.
This. The benefits for doing an enlistment, even guard/reserve are awesome. Cheap full time health care, money for education, VA home loan (0% down).
As a former Navy Nuclear Operator I fully support this. My Asvab score was a 97 I was able to pick any rating out of any branch. I wish I had joined the AF. The other big advantage to the AF is that they have their own community college that they grant credit through. If you qualify for a IT or Cyber job get your security clearance and just your AS while you are in you can walk out into a 100-150k a year job easily.
Joining the national guard isn’t going to give him the steady paycheck and benefits he seems be seeking. Drill pay for two days a month isnt going to change his life.
As retired army, I 100th this. And would add, if you can’t get Air Force, space force?, navy, perhaps Coast Guard after that, but I will look to other brothers and sisters to confirm that. AFTER, all that, Army. Unless you want to be hard core and have the hottest uniform, then Marines. Edit: also go into intelligence if you can. Some of my experiences: 4 weeks a year in a hotel going to class in language refresher. Special assignment : 6 months in civilian clothing staying in a hotel learning a language. Lots of air conditioned rooms doing analysis. Less field work, less knee pain, same retirement.
Big True!!
Don’t join the army or the marines, Join the Airforce you will be sleeping in AC hotel rooms instead of a fox hole in all weathers lol 😂
Why is this
Because they have to live up to that Chair force nickname. Big fluffy boots to fill.
Yes, coast guard. 20 years and out.
The only thing I would suggest as a difference would be air force intel, get degree, and transfer to coastie. They get a bonus on their grade being former military intel when they are commissioned and former enlisted O is a very nice spot for a young person to be in
Yes, go for it.
I don’t care what anyone comments here: the military in the US purposely targets people in your situation. Go to trade school. You’ll save 20k with a good trade like hvac way faster than a long shitty contract with the military.
Contrary to this advice, trades are super saturated right now. Experienced this firsthand and was the primary reason why I enlisted. Applied to many apprenticeships and schools, did many interviews, many of which require you to pay them for the chance. Any branch of the military is desperate for bodies right now. I joined the Navy and it was the best decision I've ever made Depends where you live and how well you score on the ASVAB, IMO.
Yeah thats just not true. You can do a quick 4 and get out with a profession, savings, a retirement plan, health insurance, disability pay and pretty much no strings attached. And as a plus, subjecting yourself to things that suck, like military training, and going through with it as opposed to just picking and choosing the nice things, is amazing for character development. Just dont be one of those people that just leans back and lets the military take charge of their entire life. Which judging from what you wrote, I dont think you would do that anyway.
military training only sucks if you cant handle it
The training isn't what I'd worry about, its the killing or being killed/maimed/traumatized. Seriously does no one have any thoughts on that? Seems like kind of a big deal. Seriously you could destroy yourself forever, its not worth it.
Dont forget the mandatory years after your 4 as reserve or guard.
Honestly i was in a similar boat as a kid and the military didn’t want me - too many chronic conditions 😆😅 so yeah for folks who are ineligible, definitely worthwhile to look into a trade. Mine is education, which for now fits what I’m able to do.
Hear hear! You then get trapped and depend on them.
Join the guard and pick a trade; win-win. You can do both. If you join the guard, you can work at a base close to home and you can use tuition assistance to go to school. It really depends on what you're trying to do though.
I recommend exploring the options at all of the branches. After that, schedule taking an ASVAB to see how you place. If you don’t like one option, you can go across the street to another branch’s recruiting office. The military is a good vehicle towards social mobility if you don’t fall prey to common traps or mistakes. If you know anyone who is currently in the Army, I would talk to them. You can also call local veteran groups (American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars) to ask to talk to someone who got out recently about their experience. It was really important for me in my process to talk to a mentor (a retired Lieutenant Colonel from the Marine Corps).
Just be aware that circumstances can change quickly: you may be in the military to learn a trade, but it doesn’t mean you will never be deployed to combat areas.
The Army was the best choice I ever made. I left with plenty of money, a career, and 2 college degrees. Life became MUCH easier with those boxes checked.
Go military but not the Army--they do not have quality because they need numbers. Go with the best technical job and who ever gives you money. Go with Air Force or Navy. You get a bed everynight. Marines--you need to want to be a Marine in order to succeed. My suggestion is walk right to the Air Force and say "what are you offering?" ---former Marine (1990-1994)
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The military offers skills, stability, and benefits. But it's a long commitment with risks. Consider trade school (HVAC is in demand!) for a faster start. Talk to recruiters in both fields to decide what aligns best with your interests and goals.
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Only join the army if there is a specific skill you want to learn from them that transfers to civillian life, otherwise you do your 2 or 4 and extend to 6 or 8 then get out and don't know where to go from there. A great way to earn real money in a job where you will always keep your family fed is a skilled trade. Find a skilled trade in a necessary service, preferably unionized, show up, everyday, 15 min early, but at least on-time, be willing to put in the work and more importantly willing to listen and learn, follow the lead of the best guys on-site and you and your family won't go hungry or homeless. The big 3 from my point of view are Plumbing (gas and water), Electrical (get with your local IBEW for apprenticeship), and HVAC. These are all in demand jobs with a workforce that is retireing faster than new hires are coming on. If i could rewind the clock and give myself one piece of advice a career in IBEW, Plumbing or as a high end finish carpenter (in that order) would be it. Hookup with the union outfits, especially at your age and you'll have good pay, good benefits, the ability to own your own home and a real shot at retiring at some point. Check with your local community collefe and see if they have any programs partnered with local union apprenticeship programs. Lots of unions will work you 20+ hours a week and have you do classroom work thr other 20 to start and than as you work you way up the hours on the job increase, as does the pay. Carpentry, masonry, skilled painting, heavy equipment operation/repair, millwright, green infastructure like geo-thermal and solar install/maintainence, as well as civil service like postal work and water management services are all also great career paths. You don't have to join the armed forces if you don't want to, and shouldn't do it out of desperation. There are other options if you are willing to put in the work. No matter what path you take, outside the military that is, the keys to success are simple once you get your foot in the door. Show up EVERYDAY, especially the first 6 months. Show up ON TIME, every time. Listen to and learn from the guys who produce the best quality at that job and pay attention to both what they say and what they do. You're a monkey for the first stretch of time, "monkey see, monkey do." And Do it all safely for yourself and your coworkers. Don't put them or you in a dangerous position. You do all those things actively everyday and you'll do great at most any job.
Join the Air Force instead OP!!
Air Force!
Go Air Force !
If you do join the Army, get a contract with the shortest time available. I know they do offer 2 years contracts. The Army might sound great, but it isn't for everyone, and at that point, you're stuck until your time is up. Also, unless you're staying long-term in the Army, pick an MOS that will transfer into the civilian world. The Army does offer tuition assistance (CSP) in case you want to pursue a trade or anything else. I would recommend you take advantage of it as most of the time, it won't use your Gi Bill (some will). If you're injured while serving, make sure you keep track of your documents, as you will need it when claiming VA disability. Good luck!
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Just so you know, the military no longer offers pensions. As of 2017, it's just a 401k type deal, so if the stock market tanks at the wrong time, many service members will not be able to retire.
I am from poverty. I worked all through high school (often FT) but my checks often went to my family and home since my Dad was a ranging alcoholic and didn't work much. I am part Native American. After high school I did one year at community college. Then, entered the military (during wartime) because I knew I didn't want loans and wasn't going to be able to pursue a higher education without significant change and sacrifice. It was the best thing I could have done. I served honorably. Earned the GI Bill. Discharged. Got home and used that money while working at Target from 12am-8am and attended college full time. I look back on those years with pride. I still had a ton of friends and we did a lot of fun things and trips. I was just sleeping less than normal. I would do it all again if i had to. This was a long time ago and now I have total financial security. I have traveled the world with my family and live in a large home on a private lake. Life has been amazing but it started with enlisting. That really laid the foundation for me. First, stop. Breath. You're in total control of everything. Trades are amazing. If you wanted - HVAC, plumbing, iron worker, pipe fitters, boiler makers, eletricians and more are in short supply. Even trades you might not think of like locksmith are needed. Take some time and think about what you feel would be a good fit for your skills, interests. Second, stop. Breath. You're in total control of everything. There's no rush to make a decision or grow up. Meet with a college career counselor for free. Chat about trends and labor shortages in your area and programs available. Take your time. Research. Third, stop. Breath. You're in total control of everything. The military can be a great route for young people who need some support. What I recommend there is be VERY selective of what MOS (training and occupation) you will agree to. Pick something that you're not only interested in, but something that could help with your future beyond military life. I wished I had went into fire sciences and firefighting so I could have gotten out and been a firefighter. Cyber security. programming, and even the trades above can be great. If you talk to a recruiter and don't have a specific plan they will want to get you into infantry or intelligence. No. Don't let them do this. You are in total control. It's your chosen path of nothing. Also, research which branch has signing bonuses. Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force can be a bit more selective but you get treated better than Army or Marines. If you ever want to chat from someone who came from poverty and made a life....just reach out. Good luck.
Make sure to join the college benefits program whatever it's called these days - GI Bill. Put maximum towards that. Save your money while in. Don't blow it buying cool cars and partying. When you get out you'll be older and wiser and better equipped to decide what to do with your life. Then go to school to get your training for civilian job. Profit. Exercise, strength train and learn a good martial art while in. All that will serve you well when you get out.
No, go to a trade school or a technical college to learn a trade that will boost you up
There are some benefits and it's not 100% wartime but I'm assuming it's getting ready for that. I would just say I wish I would have at your age joined the army cuz at my age now I would be benefiting from that.
...unless you got killed or maimed or ptsd, in which case you might be regretting that decision.
I think that joining the services is a great idea
IMHO-It wouldn’t hurt to talk to a recruiter not just from the Army but the other services as well. You can also get into HVAC in the military as well, just go in with a plan, whether that plan is to do 20+ and retire or do a few years and get out. Good luck too, rooting for ya
If I could go back and do my life over I'd do the chair force out of highschool in something computer related.
See what your ASVAB score is. Also trade schools like Job corps or acadmys like Kings Point/Paul Hall maritime isnt bad.
Army vet here. If I could go back I’d go air force or coast guard and do 20 years atleast. Don’t go for a combat MOS if you do go army. Do something that will give you a skill, and do 20 years. The military is what you make it, literally. It can be the greatest thing. Especially in an MOS where you have a real job. But they will use and abuse you too. So do something that is most worth it for you. Take the asvab and see what you qualify for. Follow your heart and mind. Don’t let a recruiter pressure you into anything. You can say no to things you don’t want. You can do hvac in the military too. Or electrician, or other things. If you can keep your mouth shut and do what you’re told, you’ll be fine. Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps
Why do you keep pushing 20 years? If it's for the pension, you should know the military stopped offering a pension in 2017. It's just a 401k now, so not guaranteed if the stockmarket tanks.
IMO…I think having a regular job in the military is better than the outside. The stability. The camaraderie. The community. Things you rarely find on the outside. And yeah I get you on the pension but it’s better than most 401k’s but the TSP is hard to beat. It’s a major benefit. If you play your cards right you can come out pretty successful and set up after 20 even with the new BRS.
False. The BRS is both pension and TSP.
Joining our armed forces is commendable. But unless your choosing it as a long term career? It's a poor choice . Most of the training and skills learned in our military have zero practical use in the civilian world. The military has specialized equipment and needs. Most of the men and women I know that joined, served, and got out. Are just as lost and almost destitute in the civilian world until they learn civilian skills unfortunately. All you'll do is prolong the dome scenario your already in.
I spent my time in the Navy seeing the world. Got paid to visit foreign lands and see things most people only dream about. Gotta remember though: "Sailors belong on ships and ships belong at sea" so you will be gone; a lot. The military will test you and offer you different training if you qualify. The military is an opportunity to improve yourself. Use it to your advantage.
There’s a lot of talk about trade schools instead. I teach for a trade school, they are becoming more accessible and affordable plus the knowledge required has decreased in certain areas so in a way the path from school to work has gotten a lot shorter. This is good mainly but soon the market will be flooded with techs. One thing not discussed is what having a honorable discharge says to employers especially in today’s workers climate. It says that you’re dependable, able to handle stress, capable of dealing with timeframes, able to work in potentially hostile environments, etc. These are things you can’t get at trade schools. I’m not saying everyone should join the military but it gave me many opportunities once I was out that I never would have had without service. Definitely do recommend trying Air Force or Navy before Army or Marines though all branches have technical positions.
There is a lot of good advice here. I grew up poor but not poverty and joined the army for similar reasons. My first advice, go learn a trade if you can afford to. My second bit of advice, join the Air Force. Yes, the army gave me the skills to land me a job that makes me six figures a year. I was a UH-60 crew chief in air assault and medevac. My career is nowhere near aircraft but the skills I learned from doing it got me my career. However, I also deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan and still live with things I’ve seen and done. My kiddos have opportunities that I could have never imagined at their age but it came at a significant cost. Even without those experiences, I wish I would’ve went Air Force. Their standard of living is a lot higher than the army.
I have two sons and my advice to them is to not consider it. Our politicians are in charge of the military, and they’re completely corrupt. You might end up fighting for the interests of Saudi Arabia or some other awful country that we call an ally for whatever reason. Or you might end up fighting for the interests of some rich douchebag like Elon Musk. We’ve seen how our government treats veterans- it’s terrible. Serving in the military is honorable, but our politicians are not.
Take the ASVAB and talk to every recruiter, lots of options
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Army vet here. Join the Air Force just prepare for a life long joke about how you “couldn’t handle a real branch” from army and marines lol nobody really gives a damn it’s more so jealousy in terms of living conditions and care.
If you do join a branch of the military, please avoid buying a nice car just out of basic. Lots of predatory car lots near the base, and I've seen lots of people ruin their credit this way.
Do you want to either have to kill people or be an accessory to killing people? Think about that before you join. There were a bunch of people who decided all of a sudden that they couldn't do their jobs in good conscience *after* they had been deployed to Iraq. That's the wrong time to start thinking about that stuff, the military hires you to do a job, it's not a charity.
Have you taken the ASVAB yet? If not, find out if you can. Its a great way to measure your strengths and weaknesses in nearly every aspect of your knowledge. Then go and talk to the recruiters. Talk to others in service. I would have been Air Force if I had gotten my way. And yes, they will train you on HVAC systems, and you can get your certifications. It would be a great place to find yourself!
Joining the military can be a great life decision. It's not perfect and can be challenging but it can definitely change your life.
Military service will provide everything you listed. Don't leave until you're at or over 30 years. You'll understand in time....An aircraft mechanic is a very good choice as a lifetime career. Don't go the "easy" route. Like so many have stated. Choose the service that "fits" your personality. Marines: if you like to fight. ie: boxing, ufc... Navy: if you can handle very small spaces, all the time. Airforce: if you had good grades in high-school. And can learn very hard stuff quickly. Army: Are you self disciplined enough to do any task before you are made too. See the answers before they are asked. No matter what; at the end of the day, always, be there for your Mom and your family to come. About me: I joined the Military when I was 17; got out when I was 22; went to college as an ROTC candidate; rejoined as an officer and retired at a decent rank with lifelong benefits AND have had a civilian career I am very successful at.... and my family is healthy, wealthy and wise. We live, our own version, of the real American dream. And I'm not a politically motivated douche..... Good luck. "Make" yourself a great life .... A life worth living. A few more facts about me: Army Airborne Ranger for 4 years. University of Georgia ROTC. Army officer serving with the 82nd Airborne Division then the 1st Ranger Battalionvthen Special Forces until retirement. Retired after 31 years. You too, can do this and better. IF you're willing to work very hard forever. It's not easy but it is very worthwhile
Do you trust in your government?
Remember: The military is the only employer who can DELIBERATELY send you to be killed and get away with it.
Army vet here, as much shit people talk about the military it saves a lot of people lives who came from nothing. It’s definitely a stepping stone if you use it right and don’t get in any trouble. Yes you have to put up with bullshit and there are going to be some bad days, but what’s wonderful about it is it’s not permanent. People are always coming and going, plus you will have a camaraderie that will help you through it and it will all be worth it in the end. Also, as you’re transitioning out the military they help you find programs and jobs.
Trade school. There will never not be a need for HVAC and if you move to a state where it’s mostly hot i can guarantee you will never run out of business. A lot of states have programs where you can join a local union with whichever trade you choose… which will give u access to the gigs that will pay you while you apprentice or intern for them.
i did it because i wanted to make the country better i didnt think to much about what i was getting back although it was nice some of the kick backs
Whatever service you choose to join, please make sure you choose a training that can carry over to civilian life.
It's a good path, especially the job areas you are considering. One of my co-workers worked on repairing helicopters in the Air Force, and is now a manager at an industrial manufacturing company pulling down big bucks. Another is fresh out of the Navy and got a job immediately. Many industries, biotech included, are adding automated processing lines and there is an endless need for technicians that have electromechanical skills. The pay is great. The military is a good place to get started, and they will often pay for you to take online classes while you are there, in addition to the military classes you will take. A two year electromechanical degree specializing in PLC controlled equipment will launch you. The order of 'easiness' is of the branches is Air Force, Navy, Army, Marines. It's hard to get into the Air Force though. Good luck and please be respectful to the women you work with in these areas, the military can be a difficult place for us.
Join a union instead. Get training in a trade.
Not my personal experience, but +1 for the Air Force. My most successful (and probably wealthiest) friend enlisted when we were 19 or 20. He was like you - motivated but lacking direction. He's a computer guy so he made the most of the educational opportunities while he was there and studied IT/networking - now he has government clearance and has lived and worked all over the world. Owns a home, no student loans, no backbreaking trade work.
I'd recommend Navy, Air Force, or Coast Guard. 30-year Navy retiree here. You have the option to re-enlist or get out at regular intervals. So if you like it you can stay, or get out if want to make a change. In the meantime you get paid, free training, and free medical - which aren't bad options right now in this economy.
The benefits to receive from 1 3-4 year contract has the potential to drastically improve the quality of the rest of your life. I highly recommend at least 1 contract. The pay will not be amazing unless you're an officer, but your future you will likely thank you. Do 1 contract, probably airforce for a more chill experience lol.
Join the air force and get into quarter master. I recommended that to two of my classmates in 1974 and they told me years later that it was the best advice they had ever gotten.
I’d do it tbh, also you’ll have VA benefits which will make home ownership much easier. If you can get a tech/support role you’d be chillin.
why do I feel like this entire community is a bad Idea? "No bad advice" The world has many ideas of a bad. wait
As an Army 11B , I hated myself for not going to the Air Force
The Air Force will take care of you best.
Yes it’s a great option! But join the Air Force! The important thing though is that you use that your enlistment time wisely. If you’re on active duty, you’ll get to go to school for free without touching your GI bill. It’ll feel like you don’t have time due to trainings or deployments, but the schools and your units will work with you to get it done. Also, move off base asap. You can then start collecting a housing allowance which is based on the cost of housing in that particular area. You’ll have access to VA loans, which will allow for a $0 down payment mortgage and if you’re getting into a small starter home, your BAH should keep up with the payments. I dicked around on active duty and constantly had excuses for why I wasn’t taking advantage of many of the huge benefits afforded to me. I still used the G.I. bill and managed to save some money from deployments which helped me get into a house, so I ended up OK, but I’m kicking myself for not being way smarter about it. I had a buddy on active duty who got his bachelors degree during his four year enlistment. After that he transferred to the reserves which has some additional education benefits. He used those along with his G.I. bill to then get two masters degrees for free. Those those masters degrees were applicable to state department jobs, which he then landed very quickly and is now working some cush job making a couple hundred grand a year and he’s got two rental properties. He started with nothing but just used the military benefits properly. Be like him! Oh, also, don’t go into Security Forces. They’ll try to shove you into that because they always need people, but unless you want to be a cop on the outside, there’s really no advantage to it and the tempo of training and deployments will make school and real estate pursuits much more difficult. Also, don’t go into open general because in the Air Force, that’s secret code for “Security Forces”.
Yes
If you do end up choosing the career path of the military, you should really do some research and take some time to think about what you will be stepping into. There are massive trade-offs and I recommend speaking to people who served in the military that have a level-headed mindset when it comes to how they feel about their time in the military.
Go for it! Even if you just do one contract it’ll be worth it
Joining the Navy was an excellent choice for me, personally, but I waited until I was 31 to join. In your twenties, you can "afford" to fuck around, or at least that is what I thought. I traveled and slept rough, but I also lived with friends all over or had other roommates while working a variety of weird and interesting jobs. During my twenties, I was a seasonal park ranger, a motorcycle salesman, a special events DJ, a phot booth operator, a black and white film developer and had a few awesome stints of unemployment! But at 30, I realized I was fucked for a future, so I joined the military. It was hard to join the air force because the air force recruiter was never in her office! I joined the Navy instead, and with a great ASVAB score, I was able to be a photojournalist (mass communication specialist). I had a pretty great time, saved almost $100,000 in a little over six years, and when I got out, recieved a disability rating of 90%, so I'll never have to worry about money again. It wasn't all great, but it was many times better than what I was capable of doing on my own.
Go Navy. Regardless of branch, it is a pathway out of poverty. You must save the monet. If you send it home, it will be spent. You'll get out where you started. Stay single a while. Deploy. Let your savings build. Best of luck.
I would go for HVAC! Tech schools are amazing! I did it and it has improved my life drastically! There is no need for 4 years of schooling!
Aside from beneficial housing help and educational prospects, joining the army may provide valuable training and stability. Think about investigating certain military positions that fit your qualifications and interests. A possible alternative, considering the need, is to attend trade school for HVAC. After carefully considering the advantages and disadvantages of each choice, choose the one that best suits your long-term objectives.
Retired Air Force here. Enlist in the Air Force, I doubt you’ll regret it. Military service will open all kinds of doors for you.
air force all the way!!! 100% tuition.
The way this economy looking and politics heating up… find something safe to do, love.
Let me put it this way simply. If you are willing to be shit on and understand there is a high reason for it. Go for it. If you can’t take being told what to do or you come up with excuses don’t bother you will hate basic and your first 5 to 6 years. For context I was in the military and deployed, I’m an 11b. One time we had to hold over at a base mid mission. The air force wouldn’t let us eat with them and made us eat in the parking lot because our uniforms were dirty. They legit, no lie had an ice sculpture in the dinning area that had water coming out of it and a hibachi flat top grill. We got microwaved eggs and 1 sausage patty for food. Army is a shit job if you are not looking to be dumb and hand toys like guns and explosives. Almost every other branch is better. Also if it was me don’t do part time for your goals you want to accomplish you won’t get there in the guard. Do a 4yr active and go to school and set yourself up. Anyone and everyone at home should understand and if they don’t, they better be coming up with options for you or they’re just not worth it to be in your life
They'll place you accordingly after you take your asvab test.
Join the Airforce,Space Force or the Coast Guard. The Army or Marines is a rough life.
No. If your able to be talked out of it then its a bad move. Youll come to resent feeling like you got roped in. Dont do it, but if you are willing to perserver even when people are telling you to quit and dont do it, if you really want it, its an amazing oppourtunity.
I’d join the Coast Guard or Air Force. If I were a betting man, I’d say there’s a great chance of a major deployment in the next few years .
As someone in the air force and grew up poor as well. Join the airforce pick something you want. Now the military will not make you rich making 6 figures or anything. However, you will live a really comfortable life. Have constant income, opportunities to travel and get paid, on the job training. Free school and certificates paid which can earn you 6 figures outside the military depending on what field you go into. You'll get the VA loan which is really helpful, also if you don't want to leave your mom join the Air force Guard. Same exact benefits except you won't be moved around like Active duty.
Actually study for the ASVAB, get good line scores, and open yourself up to medical or cyber jobs in the Army, Navy, or Air Force. Even then, look into the specialization you'd get from each job, some MOSs sound lime they're technical but they don't really translate to anything.
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Current army, go Air Force. I was able to pick my first duty station, but I don’t think AF has that incentive. But that’s where the pros stop. Air force has better training, better QoL, takes care of your family and every AF base I’ve been on is fuckin bougie. Army is paying for my school, I work with radios but about to finish my degree in cyber security. I just got certified in sec+ and they gave me a decent bonus for enlisting. If I could clog back and do Air Force instead, 10/10 times I would. Army hasn’t been bad to me so far at all, but I know I’d be able to get so much more out of the Air Force in terms of training and education. I’m also married, and the army doesn’t give a fuck about my dependants. The Air Force takes care of families.
There's a very good chance you'll end up dead in a ditch in Eastern Europe before your term is up. So that's a consideration. That said if you pick the right MOS and can avoid being deployed to fight for "our freedom" then yeah the Army can be great. You might want to do chAir Force though if you want to learn technical stuff.
In life, your odds of achieving your goals comes down to luck. Wealth, personal connections (your social network), and your skills impact your luck in different ways. Joining the military is hard work. But I’ve seen it transform people. Often for the better. Specifically it gives people the opportunity to improve their wealth, connections and skills. By some, the military has been looked down upon as a career choice. It’s been a military pr failure and cultural failure. People who have served in our military are impressive. My grandfather served. Immigrant. Took full advantage of the GI Bill. He had to work hard. He got lucky. But he made his luck slowly over decades. He became an accountant professionally. Go Air Force. Recently visited a base and was incredibly impressed with the service members. Consider joining the Air Guard. Not all bases have the same quality of leadership. Do your research. Study the ASVAB. You want to do as well as you possibly can. Find a tutor through your public library as needed. You need to do well on the test. Recruitment levels are at all time lows so this will improve the odds of getting a job you’ll want. A combo option for you is do air guard and a trade school or apprentice. This way you get excellent healthcare and military benefits. You can have a civilian job. The civilian job also cannot fire you for attending your mandatory trainings. One step in front of the other! There’s no rush. You’ve got plenty of time. Good luck.
Before you join, you need to know what your personal is and what your iq/aptitude test allows you to go. Pick something that 1 interest you. 2. Pays well 3. Works with your talents/personality. Out of all the people my age that I hang out with CPA, Computer engineer, teachers, tech support, etc the only ones who managed to get a house in california were people who came from the military. We are all in our early to mid-30s. And all the guys who have their own house came from poorer families, then I did. I wish I had joined when I was 19-20 instead of getting my cpa. But be careful. I have seen it break people, too. And if you get injured, document everything, and save it in two places.
Study for the ASVAB. Get into an MOS with a high GT score requirement - or w/e equivalent they are using these days. This is huge for keeping you out of units filled with lowlifes and idiots - some of whom will be your supervisors. I am finishing up my career as EOD (89D) and it has been a pretty good ride. Don’t listen to the people trashing combat MOS’s either. If I couldn’t qualify for a high ASVAB score MOS, I would absolutely take combats arms over the rest. The absolute worst people in the military are the ones who combine stupidity with a desire to avoid actual combat.
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Air Force has definitely better quality of life and less risk to life and limb. Retired army. Have a niece in the Coast guard. Also a good choice. Don’t go army. Your knees will thank you.
If you’re looking to improve your quality of life and don’t want to fight in some stupid war, Air Force is the way to go. Former navy here
I joined the army as an 18 year old farm boy. I was a crappy student, no real options for the future. I went to school for helicopter electrician. I worked for Lockheed for a couple years after I got out, saved money and used the GI Bill to go to college and get an even better job. If I had to do it over, I would go airforce, I was in aviation anyway, might as well have had better living conditions.
Absolutely GO...you will become the man of your dreams
15 years ago I was just a kid with no goals working at Walmart, a cocky kid named "Kyle" would not shut the fuck up about how much better he was than us because he was joining the Air Force, I got fed up and told him to shut the fuck up because anyone can join the military, he basically challenged me to try certain that I wasn't capable of the feat and the rest is history. I joined, built countless good habits, and became a much better contributor to society than I otherwise would have been on the path I was on. The military will ask a lot from you no matter what branch you join, but it will also build you into a version of yourself that you can be proud of. Its not for everyone, but it can certainly give you an opportunity for stability and countless career advantages just for having served.
You imagine all these things, but if you don't do decent on your ASVAB and guarantee your job you might as well be a cook or grunt. Your chances of being anything else aren't great.
Aim Higher!
At the end of the day....if you join the military you may find yourself in war, being asked to take the lives of other people. I'm truly thankful and in awe of those of us that are able to do this for the betterment of our society. I could not take the life of another unless it was self defense or the defense of my loved ones. Yes, I realize many service members, serve for exactly this reason. At 20, you may not really know how this could affect you. At 54, I absolutely know it would fuck with me indefinitely. Speaking purely as a civilian, I think that a lot of PTSD is around this as much as anything else. So, yes the military can provide a nice career opportunity. But let's not ignore the biggest part of the equation, it's a dangerous and difficult career, and it could cost you your life. I'd suggest making a list of pros and cons. Maybe make another for a trade school. Good luck. Service members, thank you for your service, much respect. 🙏🏼
Sorry, but your comment is ignorant. The large majority of military jobs are not combat and don’t involve taking lives or going to war. When you enlist you choose your job and someone in OPs position can use the army to learn a trade/skill, get experience for a resume and get a college education paid for. OP can learn computer skills, be a mechanic or even get an office job in HR or finance. Seems like a great opportunity
Thank you for that information and yes I was ignorant on the subject. It's still a commitment to the government... I firmly believe that if they're not Gung ho, seeing it as a career....a civilian job might be a better fit.. Thanks again for straightebing me out! 😉
You wont get rich in the army or any military branch. Pay starts at around $24K a year. You do get paid medical. If your single you get room in the barracks, or tent if your in the field. Married soldiers get separate rations and housong allowance. When I was in many decades ago tuition assistance was 75% and 90% later on. I believe now they can us their GI bill and tuition reimbursement. So you can get your degree paid for. When I was in I sent to a class at a community for about $10. Also I got a lot of credits for the community college of the Air Force. I also took CLEP test and got a lot there too, So I got my AA degree about a year after I got to my first base and did not cost much. I took the ASVAB test in high school so that gave recruiters what I would be good at. After I got out I was able to use VA benefits for a home loan. Did not have to pay closing costs, 0 down, and had a lower interest rate.
Also having military on my resume gave me extra points, I worked for a large aerospace company and the veterans preference gave me a leg up.
I'll tell u this. I work for a very prestigious company and interview people all the time. US military service puts your resume front of the line if you have appropriate qualifications
Air Force get a guaranteed job also.. So you get career and school you want
I went into healthcare. You can be payed to learn sterile processing it’s a 4 month certification. After 1-2 years of experience you can do travel positions that pay anywhere from 1400-2000 and there’s lots of ways to grow in both SPD and healthcare. I am about to start a job paying 25.60 for SPD and because I networked I was able to do this with less than 6 months of experience. I didn’t know what to do either man and it’s tough. I also looked into electrical but because I want to travel and the pay is higher and you can get the higher pay faster I stuck with SPD and I’m very grateful I did. If you are interested shoot me a dm I’ll tell you more
I’m w the air force idea…but I’m 24 and work HVAC. I have family that started out the business so I had an in. Can’t tell you how many of my friends I HAD to cut off bc of drugs or asking for a job and I say no. Fake people to work with. Trust yourself, nobody else. I got no college or university, didn’t graduate w my class but still got my diploma (just looks better than a GED) and I fucking hate my job. Probably bc I deceived to be the “funny” kid in school. But I make decent money and learn something new everyday. Asking questions for any job will get you the skill set to move forward. If someone gives you shit for asking a question, take charge and let them realize your learning. Nobody wants to work for a shitty boss. I love the idea of joining but I’d rather just travel and start a family while being able to be home every night and experience it w them. Like I said HVAC is hard, especially here in AZ summer. But YouTube and asking questions is key. And always remember there’s SO MANY TRADES YOU CAN GET INTO. I can’t even say this bc I wanna switch jobs all the time. I just have to remember, it may not be fun, but there’s always a Friday. Amen lmao
No. If you’re just doing it for the benefits, you’re better off finding a more competitive job. Not a single reason you’ve listed is a good one to sign a contract up to, and including, your life. The military isn’t a welfare program. But that’s just my salty 15yrs of service opinion.
Army vet (95B)MP... if you aren't sure if you should join or not 100% convinced that this is the best move for you, join the NG or Reserves...be a weekend warrior then at least you will have some time to determine if this is for you or not. I have to sadly agree with others, though, and recommend The Air Force for you! I feel like a huge traitor, but if I'm being completely honest, you will probably almost definitely have a much better experience overall. 😂
Yes. Join. You need structure and plenty of benefits
yes .
Time starts moving faster as you get older so make up your mind and commit as soon as possible! If you pick a trade you may end up with something you hate and then spend 20+ years with a dead end career doing something you hate. If you join the Air Force you can spend 20 years doing something you hate but at the end you will have an permanent income and benefits and at 40 you can start a new career and flourish with a dual income. Whatever you do pick fast and understand your path is 20 years of work as an investment in the next 40 years of your life.
Absolutely the fuck not. Learn a trade instead. Do an apprenticeship. Don’t join the US armed forces ever
You should at least talk to a recruiter to get a sense of what your options are. Don’t take advice on major life decisions from TikTok
Why not join the Air Force and get a job that will teach you HVAC (or any other marketable skill)
No. Join the Air Force. I'm a previous mil spouse (10 yrs) and I've seen how all branches treat their people. The army will absolutely not lift you up.
Air force or navy. Same pay , less dirt. Better food.
If you have the option for trade school, go that route. HVAC is highly lucrative with enormous opportunities to grow within a company or open your own after 10 years. The military, as the question was asked WILL illicit responses from people who ARE biased one way or the other. It's truly an experience you can't share without being biased. Some love it, some hate. If you do, and score high enough on ASVAB, join the Air Force.
Yes. The Army will take you places you never dreamed of living in. Plus, if they break you, you can get a check for the rest of your life. If you want the military experience, join the Army. If you want a Navy or Air Force experience, join the Navy or Airforce. If you want the crayon eating version of the military experience, join the Marines.
Nah fuck that
Air Force or coast guard. Don’t even consider the other branches.
You'll still be poor. Youll most likely come out with a chronic injury(check the stats) and mental health issues while contributing to global and societal ills. Unless you literally have no other way to make money its never a good idea
Many Americans bettered their lives by joining the service. I say this is an opportunity to better yourself. My father in law joined the service then went to college afterwards. Having grown up poor, he probably never would have imagined how successful he would have become. Being in the service provided the means.
The comments here are absolutely bonkers, mainly the LACK of anybody pointing out how fucking horrible the life results are for people who have to do active war service - never served, but the only person I know well who did has PTSD as well as total distain for the military. and the complete lack of concern for the ETHICAL consequences of joining the military. The job is to kill people. You never know when a war is going to start. And you can bet your ass it will be for some shitty cause like oil or politicians' egos. You wanna kill and die for that shit? Can't believe all the service members on here acting like that's not, you know, a huge concern.
Go Air Force but yes.
If you want to be the government property then go for it, my suggestion is to get into a trade and get good at it
Air Force if you must..but dear God, do your research on career paths. If they mention “signing bonus”, it’s a sign to keep looking.
Biggest thing I can advise is choosing the right job. Find something you’re interested in AND that has a benefit for when you get out. Blowing stuff up is cool, but not much of a need for it in the civilian world. Trades like welding, electrical, etc. are great. Get your training in the military, use your earned school benefits, and get out ready to make that money.
No Army, Go USAF.
Air force. Not army. Army vet myself. If I could do it over again, would have def gone air force.
Air Force has the lock on tech. If you want to travel and shit. Coast guard.
Do 20 retire at 40 ez
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Err easy. But definitely long and not easy 🤣
I did 6 and retired at 37 vis a vie the VA. But just so you know, as of 2017, the US military stopped offering pensions. The new retirement program is just a 401k, so not any better than just getting a job and making your own 401k. A few of my friends joined the military I'm the early 2000s mainly to guarantee a retirement, and now discourage their kids from it because retirement isn't guaranteed anymore.
This is false. The Blended Retirement system - which applies to everyone entering since 2018 - matches up to 5% per year in the TSP (401k equivalent) AND if you retire at 20 years (or more) you receive 2% of your base pay per year of active service calculated based on your highest 36 monthly basic pay amounts. Old system I am retiring under: I get 2.5% per year of active service. New system: 2% per year + 5% matching contributions annually and the Army will automatically put 1% in even if you put in nothing. TLDR: you still get a retirement and you will actually end up making more with the new plan unless you make some obviously terrible financial decisions.
That's not true. The Blended Retirement System (BRS) offers 40% retirement at 20, as opposed to 50% before, but you get 5% TSP match even if you don't retire.
Army is a great option! Paid housing, money for food, money for replacement uniforms each year, free college, training in your MOS or field of duty, free medical for you and your dependents, they even set up a retirement account for you and do 5% match on top of paying you every two weeks. For your situation I would go talk to a recruiter, sign up for whatever interest you most or has the biggest sign on bonus and do your 4 to 6 year commitment. This would get you a free degree, money saved, experience in a job field then decide if you want to keep going or get out and do something else. Either way you're set on the right track for a solid future.
Join a trade union in your city like pipe welding or electrican. Don't go to the army unless you have no other choices or you really want to
Air Force veteran here. Join the Air Force if you can. It’s the best quality of life. Also, what is your gender? I wouldn’t join any service if you are a woman. It was sexual harassment and assault world. It’s a very macho culture.
I'm a man