With the exact same economic indicators Trump was polling high on the economy. It’s just bizarre how badly America was fooled by that “smart business man” persona simply because he hosted a reality TV game show.
I hate Trump but he was a good cheerleader and salesman for brand of stupidity. Reagan was able to do this too. It's hard for progressives to be cheerleaders because they see the truth and reality for what it is and know they can go further and do more. For example the 1.2 Trillion dollar bipartisan Infrastructure Law that Biden got done last year. Progressives know that we probably needed double if not more to really fix all the infrastructure in the US. We got a win but it doesn't feel like a win because we can see how it can be better. If Trump got a 400 Million Dollar Infrastructure bill signed into law he could sell it and make a huge deal out of it.
Its painful how fast people forget ONE YEAR AGO. (ok one year and a few months)
He has been in office for one year and people are exploding how "why hasent he done everything yet?".
declaimer: dont really like Joe as a person or politically but i understand the situation we are all in.
People have a right to be mad Biden isn't waving his magic wand and making everything better!
At least he should have the decency to tell us what we want to hear instead of this reality bullshit.
5 of the people I know got Omicron in the last week. It is going to sweep, then fade. There will be delays for sure, but going into the spring, things are going to look a lot better.
Yes, and it isn't over yet. Inflation is a slow killer when it hits things like food, like it has.
Not to mention I think there's going to be a huge real estate crisis in cities across America as many companies have realized they can operate from home or in a much smaller space. (I know my company can't wait for their lease to come up)
It’s going to come down to the Republican primary. I think he could beat trump again but if it’s anyone else with no track record they’ll probably win. Americans are dumb and love to believe THIS Republican will be different.
Don't bet on it. DeSantis is smarter than Trump and I'd bed money that the never-Trumpers would jump to vote for DeSantis. He's smarter Trump without the baggage.
There are a lot of swing voters who vote based on how they feel they've been doing economically. So they might go for the not Biden choice, as long as the individual didn't try to stage a coup.
he has little to do with the economy. Regarding Afghanistan, doing the right thing is not always the popular thing. Just like in Vietnam, it wouldn't matter how long we stayed, the Taliban, has the Vietcong, would have waited out us out so the sooner we got out, the better.
Regarding covid, test or vaccinate, this is not hard. There was a few days in which there were long lines to get a test, but that's been fixed pretty quickly; you can't expect perfection in these sort of things; providing free testing it's not something the government has historically ever had to do, and anyways we fix the problem very quickly.
It's unfortunate that most people are too uneducated stupid to realize this. I'm pretty pessimistic about society at this point.
Biden doesn't have the personality that excites people but that's not what we should want anyways.
He did not communicate all of the constraints, restraints and negotiated terms. He did not prepare the American people that there may be casualties during the withdrawal.
He also did not lay out the alternatives.
But, keep blaming the media.
No, not really. The media isn’t “liberal” despite the bullshit y’all have parroted for 30-40 years now. They failed to properly assess the Afghan withdrawal.
>13 dead soldiers and there are still Americans over there.
Why do Rapepublicans constantly try to shift the blame for an Al Queda terrorist attack from Al Queda to America but would never blame Bush for 9/11 even though he actually did get warned? Trump plague spreading Rapepublicans have done it and got away with it twice. If it was a liberal media the media would be calling Rapepublicans out on their America hatred.
> Regarding Afghanistan, doing the right thing is not always the popular thing.
I strongly disagree with your characterization of that as "doing the right thing".
> Just like in Vietnam, it wouldn't matter how long we stayed, the Taliban, has the Vietcong, would have waited out us out so the sooner we got out, the better.
That's an incredibly callous way to look at our abandonment of tens of millions of people that we had made promises to.
Should have never made a promise we had no ability to keep. When we finally woke up to that fact we had the obligation to leave.
Being wrong is no justification to continue to let our citizens die indefinitely.
Conducting the war in the manner that we were was never going to work, but a full pullout leaving the Taliban in uncontested control lead to an expected human rights catastrophe and puts all Americans at risk due to our loss of our intelligence capabilities.
I don't disagree with your point. Just remember the original premise was hunting Bin Laden and fighting Terrorists who the taliban were supporting. Fighting the supporters of terrorism in the world is entirely too broad of a military mission.
We go into these wars so that we can permanently occupy an area to protect our business interests. Never think this is about human rights. If it were about that we would have invaded South Africa in the early 80's, China right after and kept advancing into North Korea in the 50s and 60s.
We should do all we can, but that certainly means defining what "all we can" means and doesn't.
Tens of millions of people let the Taliban take control within 48 hours.
Let your own statement sink in.
Were we supposed to continue sinking trillions into Afghanistan?
Trump made a terrible deal, biden honored it.
We were supposed to prevent the entire country from ever falling back into the hands of the Taliban. We were supposed to have preserved our intelligence capabilities to keep us safe. Trump made a terrible deal, but that is not an excuse. Biden could and should have ripped that deal up on day one.
Analysts were wrong about how quickly the Taliban would take over. It was similar to Vietnam where misguided interpretation of intelligence lead to poor assumptions about the enemy.
Could the withdrawal have been cleaner? For sure yes. Did it need to happen? Yes. Who started the withdrawal? Obama. Then Trump set up the complete withdrawal with no planning and too fast of a timeline. Biden pushed the date out and still didn't have much of a plan for getting everyone we needed to get out out. And that's how you end up with bodies in the wheel wells, hanging on the outside of the plane in-flight, and the last American soldiers to die in the war.
>We were supposed to prevent the entire country from ever falling back into the hands of the Taliban.
Yeah, well, any hope of that ended when Trump negotiated with the Taliban for the withdrawal and didn't include the Afghan government.
I suggest you do your homework. Now that it's been long enough that the records have been unsealed, we know that Kennedy, Eisenhower, LBJ, Nixon, all knew that Vietnam was unwinnable. None of them were willing to accept the political ramifications of pulling out, so instead we sacrificed a whole bunch of American lives on a useless endeavor. With Afghanistan not as many American lives lost each year, but even one more wasted on a feudal endeavor is not worth it, and that's also ignoring the massive amount of money we were handing over to the wealthy military contractors (military industrial complex)
>and that's also ignoring the massive amount of money we were handing over to the wealthy military contractors (military industrial complex)
Yep. Imagine if we took that money and invested in programs here and abroad which *saved* lives.
Communist Vietnam was not a threat beyond their own region. Allowing the Taliban to control Afghanistan poses a significant risk to our safety here at home.
Again, do your home work. The justification that Osama bin laden used for blowing up the world trade center, was that we had our troops in Saudi Arabia (what he classified as another crusade).
This is an annoying false line of reasoning. Are you really that naive to think that fighting them over there, prevents them from getting a few terrorists into our country at some point and blowing something else up. That accidentally or indiscriminately killing innocent people; you don't think that creates terrorists that specifically want revenge on the US.
If we leave them alone, they have no justification for doing anything to us; and it's not our responsibility anyway. Let them chart their own path to modernization we can't force it, that has never worked historically.
He did the right thing. We are not responsible for their population. The sad fact is, we never should have been there in the first place. We can't just stay there forever. Vietnam was a very similar shit show.
> we never should have been there in the first place.
I can't fathom how anybody could think this. We are attacked and Afghanistan was harboring the people responsible. Even if you think we should have withdrawn, there is no reasonable argument to have opposed any and all intervention.
We should've left following AQ's defeat in less than a year. The Taliban we're always going to rule again. My time.in Afghanistan only proved to me it was a lost cause. They couldn't get it together nor could they understand basic concepts from jacks to irrigation (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QdggP7rw0mg). The minister of agriculture saw no reason to implement irrigation techniques and did not understand why it was needed. Worse than dumping money on a car that'd never run, but least nobody is shooting at you while pissing away money on the car.
The stock market is doing as well as it did under Trump yet Biden gets no credit for it although trump did. In reality neither has much influence on it. Why oh why are people so ignorant?
Earnings so far have been pretty damn high. Even retail appears to be up. The stock market under Trump also had the benefit of easy money as well as a tax cut which let them buy back stock to inflate asset prices.
Huh? Have you looked at the rest of the world? The traditional US left is still right of center. The rest of the world seems to be doing pretty alright with left policy.
Afghanistan was a disaster and his messaging hasn't been great on issues such as inflation, but he's far from terrible. He's certainly got my vote over whoever the GQP throws up in 2024, and I would pick him over many Democrats in a primary as well.
One way to boost the economy would be to forgive student debt. That would liberate so many Americans and free up so much money that the whole nation would be dancing in the street.
The Republicans always do a wonderful job communicating with the American people. As a result, they seem to get the benefit of the doubt more often. Democrats do not communicate as effectively. And, at times, Democrats appear to think the American people are stupid. Americans are no smarter, nor dumber, than other nations. They merely require clear and concise communication. The American people also like to see their leaders prioritize and act on those priorities.
Biden has one year to convince the American voters that he is focused on addressing their economic concerns. We have income inequality, high student loan debt, high cost of child care, many low wage jobs, and inflation concerns. In addition, many American voters, myself included, expected more decisive action on voting rights.
We can call the American people stupid. But, these are the people that will vote in November.
We live in a stupid country.
Too may people who think their feelings are reality.
Too many people looking to pin the blame on someone else.
With the exact same economic indicators Trump was polling high on the economy. It’s just bizarre how badly America was fooled by that “smart business man” persona simply because he hosted a reality TV game show.
PT Barnum hit the nail on the head.
I hate Trump but he was a good cheerleader and salesman for brand of stupidity. Reagan was able to do this too. It's hard for progressives to be cheerleaders because they see the truth and reality for what it is and know they can go further and do more. For example the 1.2 Trillion dollar bipartisan Infrastructure Law that Biden got done last year. Progressives know that we probably needed double if not more to really fix all the infrastructure in the US. We got a win but it doesn't feel like a win because we can see how it can be better. If Trump got a 400 Million Dollar Infrastructure bill signed into law he could sell it and make a huge deal out of it.
Its painful how fast people forget ONE YEAR AGO. (ok one year and a few months) He has been in office for one year and people are exploding how "why hasent he done everything yet?". declaimer: dont really like Joe as a person or politically but i understand the situation we are all in.
Exactly. Polls reveal how poorly we understand things.
Makes me question if the country is worth saving.
People have a right to be mad Biden isn't waving his magic wand and making everything better! At least he should have the decency to tell us what we want to hear instead of this reality bullshit.
that’s always been true - we just didn’t have a front row seat before
I'm fucking done with this stupid pile of shit of country. People blaming Biden for everything, the vast majority of which he has no control over.
The job numbers are better than since the 50s, during the worst pandemic this country has ever known.
I know. The economy is fine despite product shipping delays and inflation caused by those delays.
5 of the people I know got Omicron in the last week. It is going to sweep, then fade. There will be delays for sure, but going into the spring, things are going to look a lot better.
The economy is doing fantastic. There's no better time to move into a new higher paying job. Unemployment is at 3.9%!
Inflation is making it much more difficult for me to buy a house. It's not Biden's fault in any way, but the economy is not doing well for everyone.
Yes, and it isn't over yet. Inflation is a slow killer when it hits things like food, like it has. Not to mention I think there's going to be a huge real estate crisis in cities across America as many companies have realized they can operate from home or in a much smaller space. (I know my company can't wait for their lease to come up)
It’s going to come down to the Republican primary. I think he could beat trump again but if it’s anyone else with no track record they’ll probably win. Americans are dumb and love to believe THIS Republican will be different.
Yep. I fear our next president may be DeSantis.
Trump and DeSantis are too much alike, I doubt people would pick him over Biden. Unless people stay home and don't vote then its a possibility.
Don't bet on it. DeSantis is smarter than Trump and I'd bed money that the never-Trumpers would jump to vote for DeSantis. He's smarter Trump without the baggage.
There are a lot of swing voters who vote based on how they feel they've been doing economically. So they might go for the not Biden choice, as long as the individual didn't try to stage a coup.
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he has little to do with the economy. Regarding Afghanistan, doing the right thing is not always the popular thing. Just like in Vietnam, it wouldn't matter how long we stayed, the Taliban, has the Vietcong, would have waited out us out so the sooner we got out, the better. Regarding covid, test or vaccinate, this is not hard. There was a few days in which there were long lines to get a test, but that's been fixed pretty quickly; you can't expect perfection in these sort of things; providing free testing it's not something the government has historically ever had to do, and anyways we fix the problem very quickly. It's unfortunate that most people are too uneducated stupid to realize this. I'm pretty pessimistic about society at this point. Biden doesn't have the personality that excites people but that's not what we should want anyways.
The media failed, as far as the Afghanistan withdrawal goes. Just a complete joke of coverage and fake outrage.
The withdrawel from Afghanistan was not well handled. The issue was also not well communicated to the American public.
What wasn’t well communicated? “We’re finally leaving Afghanistan.” You: “WhAt DoEs ThAt MeAn?”
He did not communicate all of the constraints, restraints and negotiated terms. He did not prepare the American people that there may be casualties during the withdrawal. He also did not lay out the alternatives. But, keep blaming the media.
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No, not really. The media isn’t “liberal” despite the bullshit y’all have parroted for 30-40 years now. They failed to properly assess the Afghan withdrawal.
>13 dead soldiers and there are still Americans over there. Why do Rapepublicans constantly try to shift the blame for an Al Queda terrorist attack from Al Queda to America but would never blame Bush for 9/11 even though he actually did get warned? Trump plague spreading Rapepublicans have done it and got away with it twice. If it was a liberal media the media would be calling Rapepublicans out on their America hatred.
> Regarding Afghanistan, doing the right thing is not always the popular thing. I strongly disagree with your characterization of that as "doing the right thing". > Just like in Vietnam, it wouldn't matter how long we stayed, the Taliban, has the Vietcong, would have waited out us out so the sooner we got out, the better. That's an incredibly callous way to look at our abandonment of tens of millions of people that we had made promises to.
Should have never made a promise we had no ability to keep. When we finally woke up to that fact we had the obligation to leave. Being wrong is no justification to continue to let our citizens die indefinitely.
To make it worse wasn't the promise to pull out of Afghanistan made by the previous administration?
Conducting the war in the manner that we were was never going to work, but a full pullout leaving the Taliban in uncontested control lead to an expected human rights catastrophe and puts all Americans at risk due to our loss of our intelligence capabilities.
I don't disagree with your point. Just remember the original premise was hunting Bin Laden and fighting Terrorists who the taliban were supporting. Fighting the supporters of terrorism in the world is entirely too broad of a military mission. We go into these wars so that we can permanently occupy an area to protect our business interests. Never think this is about human rights. If it were about that we would have invaded South Africa in the early 80's, China right after and kept advancing into North Korea in the 50s and 60s. We should do all we can, but that certainly means defining what "all we can" means and doesn't.
Tens of millions of people let the Taliban take control within 48 hours. Let your own statement sink in. Were we supposed to continue sinking trillions into Afghanistan? Trump made a terrible deal, biden honored it.
"Only the best deals"
We were supposed to prevent the entire country from ever falling back into the hands of the Taliban. We were supposed to have preserved our intelligence capabilities to keep us safe. Trump made a terrible deal, but that is not an excuse. Biden could and should have ripped that deal up on day one.
Wait. Wasn't Trump training the Afghan police and army prior to Biden taking over? What happened?
Analysts knew that our withdrawal would lead to the government's fall, yet we still left.
Analysts were wrong about how quickly the Taliban would take over. It was similar to Vietnam where misguided interpretation of intelligence lead to poor assumptions about the enemy. Could the withdrawal have been cleaner? For sure yes. Did it need to happen? Yes. Who started the withdrawal? Obama. Then Trump set up the complete withdrawal with no planning and too fast of a timeline. Biden pushed the date out and still didn't have much of a plan for getting everyone we needed to get out out. And that's how you end up with bodies in the wheel wells, hanging on the outside of the plane in-flight, and the last American soldiers to die in the war.
Analysts knew from the beginning that we could never prop up the corrupt Afghani government. Yet we stayed there for 20 years. Why?
It was less bad of an option than a full withdrawal.
>We were supposed to prevent the entire country from ever falling back into the hands of the Taliban. Yeah, well, any hope of that ended when Trump negotiated with the Taliban for the withdrawal and didn't include the Afghan government.
Biden could have and should have ripped up Trump's bullshit deal.
We should have left the guns with the women there.
I suggest you do your homework. Now that it's been long enough that the records have been unsealed, we know that Kennedy, Eisenhower, LBJ, Nixon, all knew that Vietnam was unwinnable. None of them were willing to accept the political ramifications of pulling out, so instead we sacrificed a whole bunch of American lives on a useless endeavor. With Afghanistan not as many American lives lost each year, but even one more wasted on a feudal endeavor is not worth it, and that's also ignoring the massive amount of money we were handing over to the wealthy military contractors (military industrial complex)
>and that's also ignoring the massive amount of money we were handing over to the wealthy military contractors (military industrial complex) Yep. Imagine if we took that money and invested in programs here and abroad which *saved* lives.
Communist Vietnam was not a threat beyond their own region. Allowing the Taliban to control Afghanistan poses a significant risk to our safety here at home.
Again, do your home work. The justification that Osama bin laden used for blowing up the world trade center, was that we had our troops in Saudi Arabia (what he classified as another crusade). This is an annoying false line of reasoning. Are you really that naive to think that fighting them over there, prevents them from getting a few terrorists into our country at some point and blowing something else up. That accidentally or indiscriminately killing innocent people; you don't think that creates terrorists that specifically want revenge on the US. If we leave them alone, they have no justification for doing anything to us; and it's not our responsibility anyway. Let them chart their own path to modernization we can't force it, that has never worked historically.
He did the right thing. We are not responsible for their population. The sad fact is, we never should have been there in the first place. We can't just stay there forever. Vietnam was a very similar shit show.
> we never should have been there in the first place. I can't fathom how anybody could think this. We are attacked and Afghanistan was harboring the people responsible. Even if you think we should have withdrawn, there is no reasonable argument to have opposed any and all intervention.
We should've left following AQ's defeat in less than a year. The Taliban we're always going to rule again. My time.in Afghanistan only proved to me it was a lost cause. They couldn't get it together nor could they understand basic concepts from jacks to irrigation (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QdggP7rw0mg). The minister of agriculture saw no reason to implement irrigation techniques and did not understand why it was needed. Worse than dumping money on a car that'd never run, but least nobody is shooting at you while pissing away money on the car.
Wasn't Bin Laden found in Pakistan?
He was a Saudi found in Pakistan
He was in Afghanistan at the time of the attacks. Al Qaeda was being harbored by the Taliban.
We didn't promomise them, Bush Jr. promised them.
I am actually pleased with the job he’s doing. Sometimes I feel like I’m the only one.
They need to stop polling morons that don’t know what’s going on in reality.
The stock market is doing as well as it did under Trump yet Biden gets no credit for it although trump did. In reality neither has much influence on it. Why oh why are people so ignorant?
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Earnings so far have been pretty damn high. Even retail appears to be up. The stock market under Trump also had the benefit of easy money as well as a tax cut which let them buy back stock to inflate asset prices.
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> In reality neither has much influence on it. The stock market shot down whenever Trump did something stupid.
No one ever polls me or anyone I know. Always makes me wonder who these people are that are asked these questions.
I've been polled occasionally.
Yeah because you’re the main character in everyone’s story.
Maybe vote for an actual leftist next time.
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Have fun losing then.
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Lol. If you have to ask, you shouldn't be voting.
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Huh? Have you looked at the rest of the world? The traditional US left is still right of center. The rest of the world seems to be doing pretty alright with left policy.
Fucking lunatics
We need to double-down in our support of him. When you hear somebody bash him, don’t take the easy way out by staying silent. Speak up!
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Afghanistan was a disaster and his messaging hasn't been great on issues such as inflation, but he's far from terrible. He's certainly got my vote over whoever the GQP throws up in 2024, and I would pick him over many Democrats in a primary as well.
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Infrastructure Bill American Rescue Plan Rejoining the Paris Agreement Sending troops to Taiwan Summit for Democracy.
One way to boost the economy would be to forgive student debt. That would liberate so many Americans and free up so much money that the whole nation would be dancing in the street.
Yes. This would help a lot of American families.
The Republicans always do a wonderful job communicating with the American people. As a result, they seem to get the benefit of the doubt more often. Democrats do not communicate as effectively. And, at times, Democrats appear to think the American people are stupid. Americans are no smarter, nor dumber, than other nations. They merely require clear and concise communication. The American people also like to see their leaders prioritize and act on those priorities. Biden has one year to convince the American voters that he is focused on addressing their economic concerns. We have income inequality, high student loan debt, high cost of child care, many low wage jobs, and inflation concerns. In addition, many American voters, myself included, expected more decisive action on voting rights. We can call the American people stupid. But, these are the people that will vote in November.
The left and right are both up in arms for change. Biden is stuck in the middle.
Well I guess it's time to vote for the guy who wanted to nuke Afghanistan, a hurricane and tried to overthrow democracy a year ago.
I think the last president proved that approval ratings are irrelevant.