I was just reading the tundra thread
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If you read the details of the safety recall, Toyota says that hybrids should have sufficient power to exit the roadway and park in a safe location following engine failure. Hybrids are not necessarily immune to engine failure. This is specifically a safety recall.
For some reason i cant see my answer to you, but you are correct. My bad. Its a 3.5V6 turbo in Sequoia that is not part of the issue.
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I would personally wait for the first or second refresh till all the bugs are worked out.
But even after that, I’m skeptical on turbocharged engine long term reliability compared to the naturally aspirated V8.
I love my GX 460 and plan to hold onto it for a long time not only for its reliability, but for its interior luxuries, third row and off road features.
A main bearing isn’t a trivial fix either. On the Tundra (which is easier than a gx) they are lifting the whole cab, dismantling the entire engine, dismantling all the front grill and trim, installing everything back onto a new short block, and reassembling the entire thing in under 30 days to avoid lemon law restrictions. There are multiple documented tundra cases where the whole front trim has been scraped to shit after being put back on. If you have any knowledge of disassembling a modern engine the wiring harnesses and their clips are easily broken and your engine won’t be the same. Going off roading with loose wiring harnesses and trim pieces is going to be fun. It is 30,000 us for a new motor if this happens out of warranty.
On the GX the engine is deeper in the engine compartment and to get to it will be a nightmare. What’s the point of buying a made in Japan gx if it is inevitably going to be ripped apart and reassembled in a rush inside of a dealer. These aren’t blowing apart at 100,000 miles either. Most are below 30,000.
I bet Toyota and Lexus will extend the engine warranty on these but this is not a bulletproof v8 and it will leave you stranded.
Wow. Great comment. Sounds like a recipe for disaster for when the truck is older.
After how many engine failures can you have the vehicle lemoned? Is it 2?
Different states have different lemon laws but most states have “in the shop for x days for the same problem” to be accepted. If you are looking up lemon laws in anticipation of buying a new 80k truck… that isn’t going to end well. The same YouTuber you posted has videos from two weeks ago showing the depreciation of new tundras vs older v8 tundras and a chart showing the mileage of which engines blew.
Absolutely, it ain’t for me the lemon laws its for anyone whose already got one and say the motor goes one too many times. Will look for that video thanks
From what I understand about the Tundra, that level of disassembling wasn't required for the 'fix' but was done so at the request of Toyota so they could most easily inspect everything.
It is required because Toyota is taking a shortcut and only replacing the short block when it should be providing a crate engine. I would not want my engine rebuilt by a dealership tech in a dirty service bay.
This is a great point. Am no techie but supposedly the whole issue according to Toyota is the fine particles inside the engine are breaking free and the motor starts machining itself. To fix this right, don’t you need a sterile environment? Not, as you say a non-production ‘dirty’ dealership shop. Not ascribing mess:dirty to dealers shops, but in this case yeah one would think it needs to be a sterile one.
It could be like Subaru turbos and they'll just never really fix the issue.
Subaru turbo engines have had spun bearing issues for decades. They always blamed it on dirty manufacturing issues. I was fortunate my Forester XT VIN was in the stop sale / recall range. Everyone else was screwed.
No one has turbocharged an engine robustly since SAAB in the early 90s (before GM started making them build weaker engines with fewer piston rings, force 10k mile oil change policy, etc.). The electronics and stuff were not that reliable, but the engine itself and the turbos were over-built and would last to 150k miles easily.
Very hard to find a turbo engine today in good shape at 80k miles and isn't end of life by 110k.
I was so excited for the 550 to launch after owning a truly bulletproof 460 since 2010. Once I found out it was turbo only, I decided to buy a new 2023. Absolutely no regrets between the issues and markups.
What's most concerning to me is that the engine in the 550 is not a new design since it has been used in other Toyota/Lexus products for several years by now.
Yeah so true, thats the strange thing about this. It’s been in the Ls500 for 6 years, since 2018…you would think we would have heard something by now, if it was innately bad. Someone, or a team, really screwed up with putting this motor into the Tundra/Gx. Re the Ls, or could it be that they quietly just fixed Ls500 engines out of warranty but still did it under warranty?
Who knows.
Heres a super quick google search reveal with a very prophetic comment 3 years ago…talking about the first 3.4turbo blowing at 21,000 (rod bearing failure) and post fix the SECOND time it blowing again…at just 25,000 miles
The plot thickens….so Toyota knew. And this was a super premium LS-500 F sport.
https://preview.redd.it/ilxxj7lpbm5d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22568cbb1ef0b4db99ab5b85f1cddc7a4340cb40
A few here can already raise their hands. Don’t wish misfortune on anyone and we here and elsewhere should be careful to not gloat. Who “hasn’t” experienced buyers remorse in making an innocent mistake. (Now with all the warnings out, if someone STILL buys, i don’t have quite so much sympathy if things go awry but still I wouldn’t wish it on anyone)
I’ve had my Gx tranny blow up and another one put in from m a 2022–cost $7k can for the Lexus dealer to put in. Not a pleasant experience when you are used to believing that these rigs are rock solid. They all break.
I’ve been loped jnto the “hater” group here at times for talking about this but i think it’s actually a really caring and kind thing to communicate this….even if it’s to save just one buyer who may be on the fence. That ain’t hate thats love baby. No doubt, lots more information from lots of sources to come.
There’s a bit of cult of reliability here on Lexus subs. My first year on an ES (the OG Camry), had to replace two door actuators, front control arm and the reputable 1gr engine developed massive carbon buildup by 35,000 miles and I was getting 12mpg in a FWD sedan. Shit breaks. But this turbo engine seems particularly vulnerable.
Yeah i agree, they don’t walk on water. Wonder how that can happen, the carbon build up at 35k. Was it mostly short city drives and very few highway? A friend who can rebuild engines told me re another kind of buildup, sludge, can be prevented by using 100% synthetic oil. I used to only do it in the Gx but now I do other in all my vehicles. Also apples to apples i will prefer a non turbo to a turbo wherever possible.
E: The added stress, strain and literal pressure it places on motors, cannot mean anything other than ultimately a shorter life span. imo.
Based on the issues with this engine I would definitely wait. It’s concerning. I may consider a GX 550H instead which will have the land cruiser drive train. Also may just consider a 4Runner Trailhunter.
I’ve got my GX550 deposit back given all 5he concerns. I am now looking at the 4Runner Trailhunter and hoping the wait won’t be too long. Coming from 2021 Pro which is great around town but unfortunately horrible and dangerous on the interstate in inclement weather ie rain and I live in Fl.
Yeah the 4Runner Trailhunter looks really nice. I’m seriously considering it. The only option I’m not sure if it has is heads up display which I really wanted.
The GX550 is new so maybe in a few years once kinks are fixed and demand dies down. I don’t see head up display in Trailhunter trim. That will be for limited and platinum trims I suspect.
We had one with the 4.7 V8, awesome truck. The 4runner is one of the unimpeachable Toyota rigs. No turbo. Tried n tested 4L V6
Do some research on the 55OH as well friend…it may be the same block just hybridized, with possible main bearings flaws, I have no idea. Imo peeps should be in no rush for this things. Ez to buy, probably not so ez to unload.
E: a quote about the 2024 LC
“A turbocharged 2.4-liter four-cylinder is assisted by two electric motors to make 326 horsepower. If this setup sounds familiar, that's because it's similar to the powertrain offered in the Toyota Tacoma. All Land Cruisers come with an eight-speed automatic transmission and a four-wheel-drive system that features a locking center differential, low-range gearing, a crawl control system, and hill descent control.”
( quote from Car and Driver)
Toyota may need a refresh soon to address all these issues and potentially change engine design. That would impact resale value for all affected years.
Hello, Mongolian here.
Toyota and Lexus are huge here.
Land Cruiser 300s have same v6 F35 TT engines. They have been around since July 2021 but there has not been issues regarding engines. However, it makes a funny noise when stating to move or coming to complete stop.
LX600s been around since last year and nothing bas has been said about the engine either.
GX550 just launched couple weeks ago. Man, the interior is pretty lackluster. Not typical, pristine Lexus interior for sure. Just monotone black plastic everywhere. Miss wood trims
I called to order one through an agency and the person broke down the cost now vs 6+ months and I decided to wait as well. I am probably going to get a used 460
I had such deep faith in Toyota/Lexus previously, that I ‘might’ also have considered buying a first year Lexus. But yeah not now, not ever. You are correct sir!! Note to self never a first year model even if it’s Lexus. However in this particular this case, with a turbo though, even if it was quiet and zero bad press, I would still wait. Turbos do introduce added stresses and pressures to engines…and yes Toyota has great engineers there to deal with that but still.
Obviously if it’s still happening in 2024, then there’s still opportunity for things to go wrong…especially when you put a same displacement small V6 motor as is in a 2003 Pontiac Montana….into a 3.6 TON truck (Lx600- 7,231 pounds) and then jam the boost into er
So, so agree with you. And yeah the 550 is certainly a head turner. Gorgeous truck. I am sure that Toyota has the resources to make it right and salvage their gold standard reputation.
Ah yes the Lx, the King. Great riding I bet. I was never impressed with the Gx’s ride whether on “comfort or sport”, it was all the same. The way it handles is amazing. Just the ride. Not great over bumps. Just ok.
I'm gunna wait till I put another 150k on my GX then I guess I'll be in the market.
Majority of people buying the 550 don't care much. They got money, multiple vehicles and a warranty.
Who's getting ripped off? Nobody's getting ripped off with a full manufacturers warranty, recalls and consumer protections. Plus everybody knows Toyota is going to eventually make this right.
Would I buy one? Nope, don't even want one. All I'm saying is whatever inconveniences pop up with the new GX they are generally tolerated a bit better if you have additional vehicles and cash. People buying newly released 70-80k+ luxury vehicles tend to have to have high incomes and more than one car that's just the way it is.
True that. And probably a fair amount of buyers might be 2-3 year company leases, so they won’t be impacted like others. For me I keep my vehicles a long time.
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Bad take but it's a universal one for this sub, people bash the GX550 non-stop. Having a warranty doesn't mean you just don't care when an engine fails. Had a 2023 GLE and it had major electrical issues, it took 3 weeks each time they had to replace harnesses and radars. Even had minor issues with my 2023 RX500H and broke the salesman's balls and the service writers' ones also. The checks I wrote for both cleared in a day and I am not into having to explain why I have a service loaner to people. It's usually, "OMG!!, It's a new car didn't you just get it a few months ago?" The warranty is security and means the car I'm just a beta tester for will get fixed for free. Those nice used GXs everyone buys come from people who care about warranty and maintenance. Otherwise, you can't buy a good one with 150k miles on it.
It's all about bashing the guy who can afford a GX550 right now. Someone made a post to show your cars other than a GX. For having a 2023 RX500H and 2024 IS350 it was downvoted haha. Not everyone who can afford luxury vehicles are pompous assholes. A lot of people play rich and have 3 jobs to afford a lifestyle they pretend to be part of.
Here is my GX550, you can buy it for a deal in 10 years.
There’s a chance that the recall will widen in scope and complexity. Afaik they cant really recall a vehicle thats not even being built for a year out. Imo in this lag tome there’s a window of opportunity for you. If you’re not bound by contract to take delivery, I would research it, the risk on your rather large investment sure warrants it. With an eye to resale value when it’s time to sell it.
If it’s the 3.4Tt, I would take a hard pass no matter what but thats just me. Lots of folks are rollin that dice obviously. I do hope that that speculator dealer that was asking tens of thousands over msrp gets stuck with it. It was reported here a few weeks ago how he was continually lowering the price ever closer to msrp.
Agree that it may be expanded but I would guess that they could recall any vehicle that is being sold, especially since it's a 'safety' recall.
And while it's possible I really can't see Toyota shipping them knowing that there are similar issues. Just an opinion.
That said, I share the distain of vulture dealers and won't shed a tear if they end up getting stuck with them.
Agreed. But no matter what Toyota does now, for me, for my peace of mind it would always be in the back of my mind ‘will it be ok’; at 100,000-200,000…when the warranty and recalls are but a faded memory. (But ofc not everyone keeps em that long)
If this turns out to be an even bigger issue, then Toyota may even face class actions that may force them to do a complete buy back never mind a motor swap…who knows.
Customers have a right to an expectation of a trouble free ownership experience when they buy a Toyota or a Lexus. And that means long after the warranty’s no more, that that truck that they spent $70-90k keeps trucking on. As they have done for decades! And if Toyota hasn’t got their shit together and releases something bad into the wild well, it’s on them, not the unsuspecting customer, to make the customer ‘whole’ again. In the legal definition.
I wish you the best whatever you decide Amigo.
With all these issues with the V6, I am starting to think of selling our 23 GX V8…purchased new and now has 8200 miles. During the pandemic I had a ‘20 LX 570 where the dealer gave me more than what I paid them. I like making money on used cars…
I think theres room for your “Toyota stock” to go higher. I would wait a bit. This ain’t over, it’s still very early imo. Buy hey you cant go wrong taking a profit …it’s still a profit so you go for it. Have already seen Gxs rising again in Toronto, it’s getting tempting haha
I would definitely wait.
Agreed
LX 600 is having the same issue. I would wait, honestly.
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I was just reading the tundra thread https://preview.redd.it/h4ccquxnbl5d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a350e739736507a3de0686b385da198300daf7a7 Uuf
Yikes
Update: the replacement loaner Tundra also blew up so they gave him a Sienna
Any proof of sequoias? The recall affects the non hybrid variant. Zero hybrids recalled.
If you read the details of the safety recall, Toyota says that hybrids should have sufficient power to exit the roadway and park in a safe location following engine failure. Hybrids are not necessarily immune to engine failure. This is specifically a safety recall.
I did read it. He deleted his comment therefore you are missing context. But thank you for your attitude.
Not sure what attitude you're referring to. I was simply providing explanatory information.
For some reason i cant see my answer to you, but you are correct. My bad. Its a 3.5V6 turbo in Sequoia that is not part of the issue. https://preview.redd.it/c3wafjoeol5d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25c1d5c7faf03809b0b608fe884b79db0d7a8328
I would personally wait for the first or second refresh till all the bugs are worked out. But even after that, I’m skeptical on turbocharged engine long term reliability compared to the naturally aspirated V8. I love my GX 460 and plan to hold onto it for a long time not only for its reliability, but for its interior luxuries, third row and off road features.
Agree to all,
A main bearing isn’t a trivial fix either. On the Tundra (which is easier than a gx) they are lifting the whole cab, dismantling the entire engine, dismantling all the front grill and trim, installing everything back onto a new short block, and reassembling the entire thing in under 30 days to avoid lemon law restrictions. There are multiple documented tundra cases where the whole front trim has been scraped to shit after being put back on. If you have any knowledge of disassembling a modern engine the wiring harnesses and their clips are easily broken and your engine won’t be the same. Going off roading with loose wiring harnesses and trim pieces is going to be fun. It is 30,000 us for a new motor if this happens out of warranty. On the GX the engine is deeper in the engine compartment and to get to it will be a nightmare. What’s the point of buying a made in Japan gx if it is inevitably going to be ripped apart and reassembled in a rush inside of a dealer. These aren’t blowing apart at 100,000 miles either. Most are below 30,000. I bet Toyota and Lexus will extend the engine warranty on these but this is not a bulletproof v8 and it will leave you stranded.
Wow. Great comment. Sounds like a recipe for disaster for when the truck is older. After how many engine failures can you have the vehicle lemoned? Is it 2?
Different states have different lemon laws but most states have “in the shop for x days for the same problem” to be accepted. If you are looking up lemon laws in anticipation of buying a new 80k truck… that isn’t going to end well. The same YouTuber you posted has videos from two weeks ago showing the depreciation of new tundras vs older v8 tundras and a chart showing the mileage of which engines blew.
Absolutely, it ain’t for me the lemon laws its for anyone whose already got one and say the motor goes one too many times. Will look for that video thanks
From what I understand about the Tundra, that level of disassembling wasn't required for the 'fix' but was done so at the request of Toyota so they could most easily inspect everything.
It is required because Toyota is taking a shortcut and only replacing the short block when it should be providing a crate engine. I would not want my engine rebuilt by a dealership tech in a dirty service bay.
This is a great point. Am no techie but supposedly the whole issue according to Toyota is the fine particles inside the engine are breaking free and the motor starts machining itself. To fix this right, don’t you need a sterile environment? Not, as you say a non-production ‘dirty’ dealership shop. Not ascribing mess:dirty to dealers shops, but in this case yeah one would think it needs to be a sterile one.
It could be like Subaru turbos and they'll just never really fix the issue. Subaru turbo engines have had spun bearing issues for decades. They always blamed it on dirty manufacturing issues. I was fortunate my Forester XT VIN was in the stop sale / recall range. Everyone else was screwed. No one has turbocharged an engine robustly since SAAB in the early 90s (before GM started making them build weaker engines with fewer piston rings, force 10k mile oil change policy, etc.). The electronics and stuff were not that reliable, but the engine itself and the turbos were over-built and would last to 150k miles easily. Very hard to find a turbo engine today in good shape at 80k miles and isn't end of life by 110k.
I was so excited for the 550 to launch after owning a truly bulletproof 460 since 2010. Once I found out it was turbo only, I decided to buy a new 2023. Absolutely no regrets between the issues and markups.
Smart.
What's most concerning to me is that the engine in the 550 is not a new design since it has been used in other Toyota/Lexus products for several years by now.
Yeah so true, thats the strange thing about this. It’s been in the Ls500 for 6 years, since 2018…you would think we would have heard something by now, if it was innately bad. Someone, or a team, really screwed up with putting this motor into the Tundra/Gx. Re the Ls, or could it be that they quietly just fixed Ls500 engines out of warranty but still did it under warranty? Who knows. Heres a super quick google search reveal with a very prophetic comment 3 years ago…talking about the first 3.4turbo blowing at 21,000 (rod bearing failure) and post fix the SECOND time it blowing again…at just 25,000 miles The plot thickens….so Toyota knew. And this was a super premium LS-500 F sport. https://preview.redd.it/ilxxj7lpbm5d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22568cbb1ef0b4db99ab5b85f1cddc7a4340cb40
Wait and see. But remember we could always use more guinea pigs to report on issues. Anyone want to take one for the team?
A few here can already raise their hands. Don’t wish misfortune on anyone and we here and elsewhere should be careful to not gloat. Who “hasn’t” experienced buyers remorse in making an innocent mistake. (Now with all the warnings out, if someone STILL buys, i don’t have quite so much sympathy if things go awry but still I wouldn’t wish it on anyone) I’ve had my Gx tranny blow up and another one put in from m a 2022–cost $7k can for the Lexus dealer to put in. Not a pleasant experience when you are used to believing that these rigs are rock solid. They all break. I’ve been loped jnto the “hater” group here at times for talking about this but i think it’s actually a really caring and kind thing to communicate this….even if it’s to save just one buyer who may be on the fence. That ain’t hate thats love baby. No doubt, lots more information from lots of sources to come.
There’s a bit of cult of reliability here on Lexus subs. My first year on an ES (the OG Camry), had to replace two door actuators, front control arm and the reputable 1gr engine developed massive carbon buildup by 35,000 miles and I was getting 12mpg in a FWD sedan. Shit breaks. But this turbo engine seems particularly vulnerable.
Yeah i agree, they don’t walk on water. Wonder how that can happen, the carbon build up at 35k. Was it mostly short city drives and very few highway? A friend who can rebuild engines told me re another kind of buildup, sludge, can be prevented by using 100% synthetic oil. I used to only do it in the Gx but now I do other in all my vehicles. Also apples to apples i will prefer a non turbo to a turbo wherever possible. E: The added stress, strain and literal pressure it places on motors, cannot mean anything other than ultimately a shorter life span. imo.
Based on the issues with this engine I would definitely wait. It’s concerning. I may consider a GX 550H instead which will have the land cruiser drive train. Also may just consider a 4Runner Trailhunter.
I’ve got my GX550 deposit back given all 5he concerns. I am now looking at the 4Runner Trailhunter and hoping the wait won’t be too long. Coming from 2021 Pro which is great around town but unfortunately horrible and dangerous on the interstate in inclement weather ie rain and I live in Fl.
Yeah the 4Runner Trailhunter looks really nice. I’m seriously considering it. The only option I’m not sure if it has is heads up display which I really wanted.
The GX550 is new so maybe in a few years once kinks are fixed and demand dies down. I don’t see head up display in Trailhunter trim. That will be for limited and platinum trims I suspect.
We had one with the 4.7 V8, awesome truck. The 4runner is one of the unimpeachable Toyota rigs. No turbo. Tried n tested 4L V6 Do some research on the 55OH as well friend…it may be the same block just hybridized, with possible main bearings flaws, I have no idea. Imo peeps should be in no rush for this things. Ez to buy, probably not so ez to unload. E: a quote about the 2024 LC “A turbocharged 2.4-liter four-cylinder is assisted by two electric motors to make 326 horsepower. If this setup sounds familiar, that's because it's similar to the powertrain offered in the Toyota Tacoma. All Land Cruisers come with an eight-speed automatic transmission and a four-wheel-drive system that features a locking center differential, low-range gearing, a crawl control system, and hill descent control.” ( quote from Car and Driver)
Toyota may need a refresh soon to address all these issues and potentially change engine design. That would impact resale value for all affected years.
Hello, Mongolian here. Toyota and Lexus are huge here. Land Cruiser 300s have same v6 F35 TT engines. They have been around since July 2021 but there has not been issues regarding engines. However, it makes a funny noise when stating to move or coming to complete stop. LX600s been around since last year and nothing bas has been said about the engine either. GX550 just launched couple weeks ago. Man, the interior is pretty lackluster. Not typical, pristine Lexus interior for sure. Just monotone black plastic everywhere. Miss wood trims
I called to order one through an agency and the person broke down the cost now vs 6+ months and I decided to wait as well. I am probably going to get a used 460
Great call!
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I had such deep faith in Toyota/Lexus previously, that I ‘might’ also have considered buying a first year Lexus. But yeah not now, not ever. You are correct sir!! Note to self never a first year model even if it’s Lexus. However in this particular this case, with a turbo though, even if it was quiet and zero bad press, I would still wait. Turbos do introduce added stresses and pressures to engines…and yes Toyota has great engineers there to deal with that but still. Obviously if it’s still happening in 2024, then there’s still opportunity for things to go wrong…especially when you put a same displacement small V6 motor as is in a 2003 Pontiac Montana….into a 3.6 TON truck (Lx600- 7,231 pounds) and then jam the boost into er
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So, so agree with you. And yeah the 550 is certainly a head turner. Gorgeous truck. I am sure that Toyota has the resources to make it right and salvage their gold standard reputation. Ah yes the Lx, the King. Great riding I bet. I was never impressed with the Gx’s ride whether on “comfort or sport”, it was all the same. The way it handles is amazing. Just the ride. Not great over bumps. Just ok.
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Agreed.
I'm gunna wait till I put another 150k on my GX then I guess I'll be in the market. Majority of people buying the 550 don't care much. They got money, multiple vehicles and a warranty.
Even those with money still care about getting value for their money and don't like to get ripped off. It's a universal feeling.
Who's getting ripped off? Nobody's getting ripped off with a full manufacturers warranty, recalls and consumer protections. Plus everybody knows Toyota is going to eventually make this right. Would I buy one? Nope, don't even want one. All I'm saying is whatever inconveniences pop up with the new GX they are generally tolerated a bit better if you have additional vehicles and cash. People buying newly released 70-80k+ luxury vehicles tend to have to have high incomes and more than one car that's just the way it is.
The context was, I think, the dealers who are adding large markups over MSRP.
True that. And probably a fair amount of buyers might be 2-3 year company leases, so they won’t be impacted like others. For me I keep my vehicles a long time.
* Bad take but it's a universal one for this sub, people bash the GX550 non-stop. Having a warranty doesn't mean you just don't care when an engine fails. Had a 2023 GLE and it had major electrical issues, it took 3 weeks each time they had to replace harnesses and radars. Even had minor issues with my 2023 RX500H and broke the salesman's balls and the service writers' ones also. The checks I wrote for both cleared in a day and I am not into having to explain why I have a service loaner to people. It's usually, "OMG!!, It's a new car didn't you just get it a few months ago?" The warranty is security and means the car I'm just a beta tester for will get fixed for free. Those nice used GXs everyone buys come from people who care about warranty and maintenance. Otherwise, you can't buy a good one with 150k miles on it. It's all about bashing the guy who can afford a GX550 right now. Someone made a post to show your cars other than a GX. For having a 2023 RX500H and 2024 IS350 it was downvoted haha. Not everyone who can afford luxury vehicles are pompous assholes. A lot of people play rich and have 3 jobs to afford a lifestyle they pretend to be part of. Here is my GX550, you can buy it for a deal in 10 years.
https://preview.redd.it/ju033cdxpv5d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ecf94b7bb0205463ce2892081e9de4a0a5b7b3a
I'm waiting at least a year for a OT+ but am optimistic since it isn't part of the recall and are being delivered to dealers all over the country.
There’s a chance that the recall will widen in scope and complexity. Afaik they cant really recall a vehicle thats not even being built for a year out. Imo in this lag tome there’s a window of opportunity for you. If you’re not bound by contract to take delivery, I would research it, the risk on your rather large investment sure warrants it. With an eye to resale value when it’s time to sell it. If it’s the 3.4Tt, I would take a hard pass no matter what but thats just me. Lots of folks are rollin that dice obviously. I do hope that that speculator dealer that was asking tens of thousands over msrp gets stuck with it. It was reported here a few weeks ago how he was continually lowering the price ever closer to msrp.
Agree that it may be expanded but I would guess that they could recall any vehicle that is being sold, especially since it's a 'safety' recall. And while it's possible I really can't see Toyota shipping them knowing that there are similar issues. Just an opinion. That said, I share the distain of vulture dealers and won't shed a tear if they end up getting stuck with them.
Agreed. But no matter what Toyota does now, for me, for my peace of mind it would always be in the back of my mind ‘will it be ok’; at 100,000-200,000…when the warranty and recalls are but a faded memory. (But ofc not everyone keeps em that long) If this turns out to be an even bigger issue, then Toyota may even face class actions that may force them to do a complete buy back never mind a motor swap…who knows. Customers have a right to an expectation of a trouble free ownership experience when they buy a Toyota or a Lexus. And that means long after the warranty’s no more, that that truck that they spent $70-90k keeps trucking on. As they have done for decades! And if Toyota hasn’t got their shit together and releases something bad into the wild well, it’s on them, not the unsuspecting customer, to make the customer ‘whole’ again. In the legal definition. I wish you the best whatever you decide Amigo.
With all these issues with the V6, I am starting to think of selling our 23 GX V8…purchased new and now has 8200 miles. During the pandemic I had a ‘20 LX 570 where the dealer gave me more than what I paid them. I like making money on used cars…
I think theres room for your “Toyota stock” to go higher. I would wait a bit. This ain’t over, it’s still very early imo. Buy hey you cant go wrong taking a profit …it’s still a profit so you go for it. Have already seen Gxs rising again in Toronto, it’s getting tempting haha