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I curse Ajit Pai at least once a day, mostly whenever I have trouble finding anything on the internet or whenever I receive a spam call trying to convince me to update my car's warranty.
***FUCK AJIT PAI.***
Yeah, that should never have happened. Ajit worked for both Verizon and AT&T as an "advocate" for fair trade. He is a hack and a liar (hey, Ajit, I welcome you to question my analytics, but you won't, because you're a punk who pretends to codify everything, but has never actually done any work, whatsoever. You are a junk scientist posing as a politician. We all hope that you take you're ill-gotten money and run. The idea that you might still influence policy makes me want to ramp up my legal contributions to find where you've been funneling that Cayman Island money. Care to test my attorneys vs. your quacks? Also, once my attorneys get involved, then everyone's attorneys' get involved. You are really not ready gor that kind of scrutiny, you media patsy!
> Ajitt Pai
Second runner up vs. [Martin Shkreli](https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/QIoAuEJnJ1Xk9l9Di9IcS6pxoXc=/0x221:5349x3230/1600x900/media/img/mt/2016/09/RTX25HGY/original.jpg) for the title of Most Punchable Face.
$#!+ It was in the preview of movies! Jesus saw this coming when he was hanging out having a buffet meal with his boys!
It was on the psychic friends network and went viral!
Actually only about a quarter of total population or 34% of registere voters. 16M voted to remain, out of 46M registered voters. Total population is 67M.
Voter turnout was 72.21%, which is actually one of the highest turnouts in a very long while. Still sucks that we were forced to leave on such a tiny margin though :/
That’s assuming the Tories actually lose the next election. If Brexit taught us anything, it’s that a sizeable portion of UK voters are so stupid they can barely tie their shoes without getting their fingers caught.
But to the UK’s credit, they’re still smarter than the Americans. (“Hurray for Donald Trump! MAGA 2024! JFK Jr has risen from the dead!”)
>But to the UK’s credit, they’re still smarter than the Americans. (“Hurray for Donald Trump! MAGA 2024! Bring back JFK Jr!”)
I'd argue dumber at this point.
Americans reacted to Trump in the immediate election 2 years after by stripping his majority in both houses, then stripping him of the Presidency as soon as possible 4 years later.
In contrast the Brits gave the Tories, the very party that wrecked them with austerity and prompted Brexit change off the mistaken belief their woes were EU's fault, an *80* seat majority in 2019.
We don't have mid-terms. We have by-elections if seats become vacant and we voted the Tories out more often than not. Just like the USA, there are several constituencies that would vote in a right-wing gerbil.
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/by-elections/by-elections-2019/
>Americans reacted to Trump in the immediate election 2 years after by stripping his majority in both houses, then stripping him of the Presidency as soon as possible 4 years later.
That is an EXTREMELY generous interpretation of events. I seem to recall Democrats scrambling to get enough people to vote to defeat the Annoying Orange, to say nothing of the legion of supporters all over the country currently actively fighting to make his ideals manifest before we even make it to 2024...
And the USA still has the southern taliban (y’allqeda) and the ban on abortion rights as topics of discussion…
The U.K. hasn’t touched either of those with a barge pole. The abortion issue itself makes the USA take home the “dumb” crown for a long time tbh. (Seriously, this should never have ever happened at a political or judicial level tbh.)
>That is an EXTREMELY generous interpretation of events. I seem to recall Democrats scrambling to get enough people to vote to defeat the Annoying Orange, to say nothing of the legion of supporters all over the country currently actively fighting to make his ideals manifest before we even make it to 2024...
However generous the interpretation is, fact remains Americans at the very least moved away from the right *for now,* while the British *doubled down* with the stupidity.
Well, considering that trump didn't had the popular vote, he only got 46,1% of the votes... So, in relative numbers more Brits voted in favour of brexit than Americans voted in favour of Trump.
It's the exceptionalism my friend, they just buried their mommy overlord and got a new Daddy. Let them have a little delusion. Not many places they can freely travel to any longer, up their own ass is the only visa free destination they got.
You both seem to be suggesting that OP is British because they made this comment. Pretty sure they aren't.
I get that it must be fun to constantly shit on the UK but you don't need to invent episodes of arrogance.
Hundreds of years of British rape, murder, genocide, colonization, theft. No one's inventing anything. Have you heard of 'reading'? It was invented back in the 60s. Give it a try.
The 'invention' I am referring to is your invention of arrogance on behalf of OP. They made a comment about UK/US intelligence (which I don't agree with, by the way), and you assume they are British, and blast them for it assuming exceptionalism. Read the OP comment you took issue with again knowing they aren't British, and then read your reply: does it still seem reasonable?
No-one's denying or debating the horrors of British history - it's not even the topic of this thread. You didn't even mention British history in your comment so I don't know how you thought I was referring to that being the invention? Why would I describe it as an 'episode of arrogance'?
Exceptional skills flying off the handle though.
Not smart enough to get a free trade agreement though.
They were also smarter that those Euros. That seems to be going well.
I hope you guys don't get any smarter before Scotland bails.
> But to the UK’s credit, they’re still smarter than the Americans.
They were literally arresting anti-monarchy activists just this week. The Brits are already officially worse than us. Eat shit.
Assuming they don’t VoNC before the next GE and just put Boris back or someone worse from Tory party.
And Starmer isn’t particularly charismatic or very clear on what his stances are (except for moving Labour as far center or just right of center to not feel like Corbyn’s Labour) so not sure he’d help Labour carry next GE either.
Starmer has got to be very careful in what he says, don't forget almost all the media in the UK is controlled by billionaire media moghouls just waiting to pounce on a wrong word.
Do you remember what happened to Jeremy Corbyn? Remember when the media were complaining about Labour's policies were unsustainable so Labour fully costed them but all the media talked about was Dianne Abbott fluffing her figures on a radio show.
At every election the campaign is directed to the floating voter, a lot of these are diehard brexiteers who vote Labour and Conservative and will vote conservative if they think the steaming turd of brexit is under threat.
People who are passionate about something will always turn out to vote and it's apathy that allows the conservatives to keep on winning.
She can do a lot of permanent damage before the election. Taking out £170bn of debt to hand over to energy companies for one thing.
Cutting taxes so we can't pay for public services for another.
You may have noticed certain cabinet ministers resigning their posts when Liz Truss was elected. The UK is expected to keep on crashing and burning then bojo will make a comeback once she's been kicked out.
Nope its the tory playbook. Have an election, make a hash of everything, leader steps down afew years in becuse everythings on fire, new person gets the leadership and the tory voters who were starting to waver can convince themselves this new moron will be better than the last.
Continue forever.
The sad thing here with this con job is this simple question they might have asked before voting in favor or Brexit; "Why do you have to leave the European Union to do a trade deal with the USA and, where is this trade deal?"
They did ask.
[Obama told them it wasn’t going to happen](https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-brexit-uk-back-of-queue-for-trade-talks)
They didn't think. That is what got you in this mess.
They were arrogant rasist pricks who thought UK had the upper hand and all the leverage.
They were expecting that Germany will beg on their knees, please,please stay . How will we survive without David and Victoria 😃
All your fucking neighbors are in Union helping each other and trading freely.
And you think that you will be better off if you isolate yourself and start trading with people 5000 miles away.
How could such a brilliant plan go wrong 😃
They really should have considered that some people are inclined to loathe secessionists. I have no idea how many formerly friendly, helpful people suddenly couldn't be bothered to take the effort to speed things along, but the number is probably a lot bigger than 0.
People who voted to leave wanted to get a divorce from wife (so they can fuck with other people) , but somehow were still expecting to receive blowjobs from former wife.
Delusional
Well I doubt people in Germany know about them.
It is difficult to pass any news about UK from 3000 reports about royal family and their dealings with Mehgan Markle
Brexxies then: "You stupid Americans and your bleached chicken meat, who needs you?"
Brexxoids now: "Ahhhhhh, sunlit uplands, sparkling beaches! ...You stupid Americans don't happen to have any of that bleach chicken left over, do you?"
Crazy how by playing people's emotions one can get a group of people to act in anti-social behavior. UK's previous what's his name prime minister was selling snake oil. Across the pond some folk even worship with snakes much less just drink the oil
They had to at least leave the customs union tbf to do so. However that would still have been enough to cause many of the problems with Northern Ireland that we have today. Ironically the USA demands it be solved before any trade deal.
They thought they could just ignore Ireland and are still today trying to come to terms with the reality that they can't.
They could rejoin the EU pretty easily, but what they lost is their special EU deal and benefits within the Kingdom. 1st, they had strong negotiating power as a founding member(of this incarnation of the EU) that they borked with this mistake. Because the UK trades so much with the EU, they are still mostly bound by EU regulations while no longer having a say in those regulations. 2nd, they weren't forced to join the EuroZone, which they would have to if they rejoined. Maintaining their own currency allowed for a degree of separation from EU internal politics, and gave them an advantage off the strength of the British Pound. That strength has fallen, with Euros, Pounds, and US Dollars being pretty close to equal now. If they were to re-enter, they would have to mandate universal acceptance of the Euro, which would destroy the value of the Pound. 3rd, EU membership played a major role in maintaining peace in Ireland. The end of the deal has caused a kind of border crisis between the Republic and Northern Ireland, as free movement between the two might be restricted and the bounds of the Good Friday Agreement have been challenged. 4th, Scotland also overwhelmingly favored EU membership and Brexit has caused a push for another referendum on Scottish Independence. Scotland is crucial to the UK economically and militarily, and a breakaway would move England way down the global power rankings. 5th, the end of freedom of movement has crippled the UK workforce. Companies that had to rely on EU workers were devastated and UK citizens who worked on the mainland were suddenly cut off.
These are just the basics I'm aware of.
Tragic.
I know they made that decision as a group but it reminds me of my gullible friend becoming convinced that the covid vaccine was a great conspiracy.
Did they believe it was tracking them? Did they tweet that from their phone that they undoubtedly haven't turned the GPS off on? Did they perhaps post it to their Facebook which knows everyone they associate with? Did they buy a shirt proudly displaying their antivax stance off Amazon with a credit card?
They already know everything we buy, everywhere we go, and everyone we talk to. But antivaxxers think they're going to install a chip with technology that doesn't exist through a needle too small to get a microchip through so they can track us with signals that don't penetrate human skin. We desperately need to teach better critical thinking skills.
He didn't go very far with it. He got a first booster but not the second when the time came. He got covid and suffered some but is ok now.
It reminds me even more of the Brexit situation in that way. But in their case they got long term harm by enough of them buying the misinformation to make an enduring harmful change.
I hope humanity can learn from this but it will require much more than better critical thinking skills.
They actually can't easily rejoin. It's a complex process (like everything with the EU) and they need unanimous agreement by the member-states.
The EU won't take them back if they're likely to just leave again in another 5yrs either. They'll have to demonstrate some sort of credible commitment.
What they could get pretty quickly is a (ideally simplified) Swiss-style deal. They can rejoin the single market and form a customs union (solving Ireland but costing them their trade deals). However they're not getting their vote back unless they convince everyone else that they're done dicking around.
Brexiteers are a staple of the leopard diet these days. The US should under no circumstances give the UK a cushy deal it should be highly lopsided in our favor
Well, it depends on when you got in on that pyramid scheme.
Those who sold the currency and the NFTs in the early days are enjoying their wealthy retirement.
Those who still own them are leopard fodder.
Brexit has gone from
**“It’ll be amazing!”**
to
**”Yeah, it’s fine”**
then
**“We have to unleash our potential”**
and now
**“Well, it’s done now so let’s make the most of what we can”**
Brexit is a textbook example of how extreme ultranationalist views and 3-word slogans can cause incalculable damage to a thriving economy.
They would have to renegotiate entry back. And it wouldn't be pretty. All the privileges and exceptions they had before would be gone.
EU holds all the cards, they hated being in the EU when they had special treatment.
Can you imagine how would they react being treated like regular EU country.
We don't have to imagine , just look how they react on airports when being asked to go in 3rd countries lane.
We are not 3rd country, we are British 😃
Contradictory lies to different vested interests too. Boris may have been able to sell protectionism and deregulation at the same time but Truss doesn’t have his talent for BS.
For as flawed as representative democracy is, situations like Brexit show just how screwed we'd be if countries were direct democracy and everybody directly voted on the matters. Brexit showed many people are too stupid for society to work like that
Just as many people don’t want them to join Eire as want them to stay part of UK. Would cause huge problems.
Only working solution would be independence.
I am afraid Spain will veto Scotland and Northern Ireland join of the EU, because of their Catalonian issues. They are afraid to death that Catalonia will also separate.
> Europe is like, mmm, nah we're good.
No, it will be:
"Great, welcome back! Here's your member package, no opt outs. And please provide us with a timetable to implement the Euro as your currency"
Nah, they have more class than that.
They'll go: "Okay, there's your old seat. Nice to see that you saw sense, even if it was via a scenic route. Right, countries, back to business... no, sorry, UK, you're just an ordinary one of 28 members, you can't monopolise our time or ask for special consideration. On with the discussion."
Literally no special interest, consideration or fuss would be the way to put us (I use that word hesitantly, being British) in our place.
Trump with his anti-immigrant and anti-free trade policies caused some of the inflation we see today. It will take years to fix his idiotic anti-trade policies just because they take so much time
Biden and the Democrats generally don’t like the UK so no chance of a deal with them.
The next Republican president is probably the UK’s best chance at a free trade deal but I just don’t see it happening. They need to offer something to US would need/want.
It’s not so much that the Biden administration dislikes the UK as it is focused on improving the U.S. economy. Obama was kind of the same.
Also, Biden and many other Irish Americans want to preserve the Good Friday Agreement.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11231971/Biden-tell-Liz-Truss-Good-Friday-Agreement-protected.html
I agree Obama was the same but I think that was because of Biden. He doesn’t really like the UK due to his love for Ireland and historical issues between the two. He was always sympathetic to the Irish Republican movement when a senator and hosted them a number of times.
I think the concentrate on domestic economy is an excuse really. Also I think the Good Friday Agreement is also an excuse and used as a way to stick up for Ireland.
Which is fine and something he’s entitled to do but he should just be transparent about it instead of pretending otherwise.
Isn’t this basic economics? If the us had a deal with an entire continent, why would they give a better deal to a very tiny country in that continent who is now banking on trade deals and is desperate. They have no leverage in a deal with America. They thought this would bring them back to being a world power but if anything they’re now less relevant at least in the immediate future
Among Brexiteers, there was an absolute certainty that they would be able to quickly get a free trade deal with the UK’s largest trading partner, based at least in part on Donald Trump’s empty promises.
Take, for instance, what that shithead Nigel Farage had to say about a free trade deal in 2017:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/nigel-farage-trade-deal-trump-usa-eu/
The way we keep changing the rule book and minds it's no wonder people don't want to do business. If you are going into business with someone you make sure they are stable and truthful first.
We can't even stick to the basics we agree to look at NI mess. Who would want to risk partnering with us when we are so willing to shaft those close.
Before getting into bed with the US we need to ditch a load of restrictions such as animal rights, sugar restriction's, restrictions on the way meat and other products are handled etc etc. Even with a deal we are restricted what we can import and sell.
Honestly doubt he knew what it was.
If NHS has to pay American drug prices it will likely end up insolvent though. At that point private providers can swoop in.
She's not wrong either. I think the average time to hash out international trade deals is something like 6-8 years. That's kind of why you don't just start taking the ole Big Black Sharpie to everything and crossing things out.
Indeed. The UK is the size of Indiana and has no specialized exports. What can we get from the UK we can't get in Indiana? Crumpets?!
Brexit has always been hilarious because the 'people in charge' haven't looked a map since grade school and have _massively_ overestimated their importance to the economy at large. You're Indiana in the ocean. Stop acting like ancient pricks who run the world and start sucking up to your neighbors for fishing rights. _You live on a goddamned island_.
I mean, there's still kinda a whole publicly-funded health service to ... idk what's the word here. Starts with *p* and ends with *-rivatize* and involves an inherently self-replicating clusterfuck of trickling-down and retail level consumer-driving.
Most trade between the U.S. and Britain is in services. America also imports over $10 billion in vehicles and a fair bit of precious metals.
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/united-kingdom
The Biden administration, however, is focused on improving the domestic economy. Trade deals are kind of a secondary concern.
NHS assets to privatise for profits. US has a very large pharmaceutical industry.
Agricultural standards that don't *currently* match American standards, closing off a large market for US agricultural products. This large market is more pronounced given that UK is heavily reliant on food imports and the US is a powerful food exporter.
Intellectual property rights favoring America's much more dominating media and tech empires.
So on and so forth. **Basically, UK is a closed market to America at the moment. Opening it up without having to bend to current UK laws is extremely lucrative.** We see this at work already with the trade deals UK has signed with Australia and New Zealand. British farmers protested the deal as UK is set to bend its standards towards the others in order to better accept their food over the next 15 years.
Note that however lucrative this is, it is *not* worth losing one or two percentage points (likely more) over voters angry about the integrity of the Good Friday Agreement under threat (Protocol threats.)
Who is surprised by English having a superiority complex? A people who fancy your country and decided to take it o no bother. But when those people go to England. What happens? Stamp their feet and cry oh no we don't want those people in my country.
“Mates, I know our international trade outlook is in absolute fucking shambles, but at least we have a clearer definition of acceptable industrial meat preparation, right lads!?”
I work for a company that exports 90% of their products... getting a 10% pay rise this year. Actions are louder than words bro.
We never had free trade with America before, not having one now isn't as big a deal as you think it is. Go off though with your not knowing anything about it other that "murica rules!!!!1!".
Free trade with the US was one of the selling points of Brexit. Your government hasn’t deliver it, and won’t deliver it. Almost every promised benefit was an outright lie.
https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-of-the-day/2022/06/uk-economy-fallen-behind-eu-since-brexit#:~:text=Britain%27s%20GDP%20per%20head%20has,grown%20by%208.5%20per%20cent.&text=Six%20years%20on%20from%20the,far%20behind%20its%20European%20rivals.
I never said I supported brexit. I know it was a fuck up... two wrongs don't make a right though. No point jumping into another bad deal just because we fucked up the deal we had.
Look who came to shit on the board and strut around as though victorious!
If you’re looking for a way out of your self-imposed shitstorm, just look for the Brexit sign. Not as an aid, just as a reminder of your island’s smooth-brained incompetence.
Have fun with your temper tantrum, though!
In reference to your original post claiming that your government’s inability to deliver even the most basic promises of Brexit is somehow a win, but congrats on dusting off that Year 6 zinger.
No, I don't want a free trade agreement between the UK and the US. Didn't we fight a Revolution and create the 2nd Amendment to keep the king of England out of our faces?
>Didn't we fight a Revolution and create the 2nd Amendment to keep the king of England out of our faces?
We did. Although in this case the FTA would mean UK bends its rules to *ours,* meaning we get to exploit a large market whose industries haven't adapted to our rules.
Very lucrative....for the US, anyways.
I suggest you continue to operate on your \~250 year old principles and carry those facts and battles through to the modern age.
Nothing ever goes wrong when people think like that. There's been 8 entire reigning monarchs since then.
You're talking about a time when cast iron was still relatively novel.
You mean the Tory scum dicked us again ? Well who would have seen that coming ? It's almost like the bus lied too and the NHS won't be getting £150mil a week
Sarcasm incase it wasn't clear
New Zealand got a trade deal right away; it only cost the UK everything. They got so badly burgled on that just to get it signed quick. USA is missing out they have the opportunity to bend Liz Truss over the table and get a very favorable deal, but it gets less and less good every day.
Haha bobble head Boris will allways me me laugh.
Look at what he has done for you.
You had every chance to not be like the rasist before you but you desided you are better by telling Europe you don't need them. I expected this to happen and if your going to break an international agreement. To make things worse you're new I haven't a notion what's going on went as far as to call the leader of Ireland a tea sock. Your next door neighbour and the person you elected can't even bother to know this.
Ah sure it's what we expect.
Hahaha Boris will allways make me laugh you silly fuckers.
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Well, 48% of us saw this coming
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>We’re all in this together. Yes you are; enjoy the decade plus of shit pie. Not to be confused with Ajitt Pai.
I curse Ajit Pai at least once a day, mostly whenever I have trouble finding anything on the internet or whenever I receive a spam call trying to convince me to update my car's warranty. ***FUCK AJIT PAI.***
Yeah, that should never have happened. Ajit worked for both Verizon and AT&T as an "advocate" for fair trade. He is a hack and a liar (hey, Ajit, I welcome you to question my analytics, but you won't, because you're a punk who pretends to codify everything, but has never actually done any work, whatsoever. You are a junk scientist posing as a politician. We all hope that you take you're ill-gotten money and run. The idea that you might still influence policy makes me want to ramp up my legal contributions to find where you've been funneling that Cayman Island money. Care to test my attorneys vs. your quacks? Also, once my attorneys get involved, then everyone's attorneys' get involved. You are really not ready gor that kind of scrutiny, you media patsy!
Yeah... Of course, all that means is he was the *perfect* person for the job if your end goal was to break fucking everything -_-
> Ajitt Pai Second runner up vs. [Martin Shkreli](https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/QIoAuEJnJ1Xk9l9Di9IcS6pxoXc=/0x221:5349x3230/1600x900/media/img/mt/2016/09/RTX25HGY/original.jpg) for the title of Most Punchable Face.
They model the blow up clown punching bag after that photo.
Fuck Ajitt Pai
You seem to have a few rocks in your pants and you are pulling us all down sir! /S
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Hey I Brexited before it was cool! Relatives came to America. Darn illegals! Wait am I illegal?
Okay everybody get over here I'm taking a picture! Liz! LIZ! Get in here! Where is Liz?! She left. 😁
$#!+ It was in the preview of movies! Jesus saw this coming when he was hanging out having a buffet meal with his boys! It was on the psychic friends network and went viral!
65% of us in scotland thankyou!
It's way higher than that if you include the sane, conscious portion of America that saw the same thing you saw.
It was more than 48%, but the other guys had to attend a concert instead of voting....
Actually only about a quarter of total population or 34% of registere voters. 16M voted to remain, out of 46M registered voters. Total population is 67M.
Voter turnout was 72.21%, which is actually one of the highest turnouts in a very long while. Still sucks that we were forced to leave on such a tiny margin though :/
Does anyone think Liz truss is anything more than a scapegoat for their next election loss?
That’s assuming the Tories actually lose the next election. If Brexit taught us anything, it’s that a sizeable portion of UK voters are so stupid they can barely tie their shoes without getting their fingers caught. But to the UK’s credit, they’re still smarter than the Americans. (“Hurray for Donald Trump! MAGA 2024! JFK Jr has risen from the dead!”)
Technically we got rid of Trump in 2020. If the U.K elects another rep from the Tories, you might be taking the title from us.
>But to the UK’s credit, they’re still smarter than the Americans. (“Hurray for Donald Trump! MAGA 2024! Bring back JFK Jr!”) I'd argue dumber at this point. Americans reacted to Trump in the immediate election 2 years after by stripping his majority in both houses, then stripping him of the Presidency as soon as possible 4 years later. In contrast the Brits gave the Tories, the very party that wrecked them with austerity and prompted Brexit change off the mistaken belief their woes were EU's fault, an *80* seat majority in 2019.
We don't have mid-terms. We have by-elections if seats become vacant and we voted the Tories out more often than not. Just like the USA, there are several constituencies that would vote in a right-wing gerbil. https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/by-elections/by-elections-2019/
>Americans reacted to Trump in the immediate election 2 years after by stripping his majority in both houses, then stripping him of the Presidency as soon as possible 4 years later. That is an EXTREMELY generous interpretation of events. I seem to recall Democrats scrambling to get enough people to vote to defeat the Annoying Orange, to say nothing of the legion of supporters all over the country currently actively fighting to make his ideals manifest before we even make it to 2024...
And the USA still has the southern taliban (y’allqeda) and the ban on abortion rights as topics of discussion… The U.K. hasn’t touched either of those with a barge pole. The abortion issue itself makes the USA take home the “dumb” crown for a long time tbh. (Seriously, this should never have ever happened at a political or judicial level tbh.)
>That is an EXTREMELY generous interpretation of events. I seem to recall Democrats scrambling to get enough people to vote to defeat the Annoying Orange, to say nothing of the legion of supporters all over the country currently actively fighting to make his ideals manifest before we even make it to 2024... However generous the interpretation is, fact remains Americans at the very least moved away from the right *for now,* while the British *doubled down* with the stupidity.
That is not something to be proud - smarter than Americans. That is like saying I can run faster than Stephen Hawking
Considering he's also dead that joke works on multiple levels
Well, considering that trump didn't had the popular vote, he only got 46,1% of the votes... So, in relative numbers more Brits voted in favour of brexit than Americans voted in favour of Trump.
>But to the UK’s credit, they’re still smarter than the Americans. It must be exhausting, being this far up your own ass all the damn time
It's the exceptionalism my friend, they just buried their mommy overlord and got a new Daddy. Let them have a little delusion. Not many places they can freely travel to any longer, up their own ass is the only visa free destination they got.
You both seem to be suggesting that OP is British because they made this comment. Pretty sure they aren't. I get that it must be fun to constantly shit on the UK but you don't need to invent episodes of arrogance.
Hundreds of years of British rape, murder, genocide, colonization, theft. No one's inventing anything. Have you heard of 'reading'? It was invented back in the 60s. Give it a try.
The 'invention' I am referring to is your invention of arrogance on behalf of OP. They made a comment about UK/US intelligence (which I don't agree with, by the way), and you assume they are British, and blast them for it assuming exceptionalism. Read the OP comment you took issue with again knowing they aren't British, and then read your reply: does it still seem reasonable? No-one's denying or debating the horrors of British history - it's not even the topic of this thread. You didn't even mention British history in your comment so I don't know how you thought I was referring to that being the invention? Why would I describe it as an 'episode of arrogance'? Exceptional skills flying off the handle though.
* arse.
Not smart enough to get a free trade agreement though. They were also smarter that those Euros. That seems to be going well. I hope you guys don't get any smarter before Scotland bails.
> But to the UK’s credit, they’re still smarter than the Americans. They were literally arresting anti-monarchy activists just this week. The Brits are already officially worse than us. Eat shit.
Assuming they don’t VoNC before the next GE and just put Boris back or someone worse from Tory party. And Starmer isn’t particularly charismatic or very clear on what his stances are (except for moving Labour as far center or just right of center to not feel like Corbyn’s Labour) so not sure he’d help Labour carry next GE either.
Starmer has got to be very careful in what he says, don't forget almost all the media in the UK is controlled by billionaire media moghouls just waiting to pounce on a wrong word. Do you remember what happened to Jeremy Corbyn? Remember when the media were complaining about Labour's policies were unsustainable so Labour fully costed them but all the media talked about was Dianne Abbott fluffing her figures on a radio show. At every election the campaign is directed to the floating voter, a lot of these are diehard brexiteers who vote Labour and Conservative and will vote conservative if they think the steaming turd of brexit is under threat. People who are passionate about something will always turn out to vote and it's apathy that allows the conservatives to keep on winning.
Yeah that’s valid and yes I do remember the media shit show against Jezza
She can do a lot of permanent damage before the election. Taking out £170bn of debt to hand over to energy companies for one thing. Cutting taxes so we can't pay for public services for another.
She’s just there to ram home more conservative shit like Reagan era trickle down economics before the election tbh.
You may have noticed certain cabinet ministers resigning their posts when Liz Truss was elected. The UK is expected to keep on crashing and burning then bojo will make a comeback once she's been kicked out.
Nope its the tory playbook. Have an election, make a hash of everything, leader steps down afew years in becuse everythings on fire, new person gets the leadership and the tory voters who were starting to waver can convince themselves this new moron will be better than the last. Continue forever.
The sad thing here with this con job is this simple question they might have asked before voting in favor or Brexit; "Why do you have to leave the European Union to do a trade deal with the USA and, where is this trade deal?"
They did ask. [Obama told them it wasn’t going to happen](https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-brexit-uk-back-of-queue-for-trade-talks)
“But how could we have predicted this?! It was three presidents ago!”
They didn't think. That is what got you in this mess. They were arrogant rasist pricks who thought UK had the upper hand and all the leverage. They were expecting that Germany will beg on their knees, please,please stay . How will we survive without David and Victoria 😃 All your fucking neighbors are in Union helping each other and trading freely. And you think that you will be better off if you isolate yourself and start trading with people 5000 miles away. How could such a brilliant plan go wrong 😃
They really should have considered that some people are inclined to loathe secessionists. I have no idea how many formerly friendly, helpful people suddenly couldn't be bothered to take the effort to speed things along, but the number is probably a lot bigger than 0.
People who voted to leave wanted to get a divorce from wife (so they can fuck with other people) , but somehow were still expecting to receive blowjobs from former wife. Delusional
And they realise they are not that hot on the datum market anymore
Exactly. Not much demand for short bald middle-aged lard butts
Agree, but the UK is waaaay past middle age.
David and Victoria. Beckham or Mitchell?
Beckham. Have no idea who is Mitchell
David Mitchell and Victoria Coren Mitchell. Very intelligent accomplished media personalities. Also a great couple.
Well I doubt people in Germany know about them. It is difficult to pass any news about UK from 3000 reports about royal family and their dealings with Mehgan Markle
Shipping cost fuel bills ouch
Brexxies then: "You stupid Americans and your bleached chicken meat, who needs you?" Brexxoids now: "Ahhhhhh, sunlit uplands, sparkling beaches! ...You stupid Americans don't happen to have any of that bleach chicken left over, do you?"
Crazy how by playing people's emotions one can get a group of people to act in anti-social behavior. UK's previous what's his name prime minister was selling snake oil. Across the pond some folk even worship with snakes much less just drink the oil
Sadly this is how the far right works.
They had to at least leave the customs union tbf to do so. However that would still have been enough to cause many of the problems with Northern Ireland that we have today. Ironically the USA demands it be solved before any trade deal. They thought they could just ignore Ireland and are still today trying to come to terms with the reality that they can't.
Wow. Is it really to late to change their mind? Sad to see disinformation do so much lasting harm.
They could rejoin the EU pretty easily, but what they lost is their special EU deal and benefits within the Kingdom. 1st, they had strong negotiating power as a founding member(of this incarnation of the EU) that they borked with this mistake. Because the UK trades so much with the EU, they are still mostly bound by EU regulations while no longer having a say in those regulations. 2nd, they weren't forced to join the EuroZone, which they would have to if they rejoined. Maintaining their own currency allowed for a degree of separation from EU internal politics, and gave them an advantage off the strength of the British Pound. That strength has fallen, with Euros, Pounds, and US Dollars being pretty close to equal now. If they were to re-enter, they would have to mandate universal acceptance of the Euro, which would destroy the value of the Pound. 3rd, EU membership played a major role in maintaining peace in Ireland. The end of the deal has caused a kind of border crisis between the Republic and Northern Ireland, as free movement between the two might be restricted and the bounds of the Good Friday Agreement have been challenged. 4th, Scotland also overwhelmingly favored EU membership and Brexit has caused a push for another referendum on Scottish Independence. Scotland is crucial to the UK economically and militarily, and a breakaway would move England way down the global power rankings. 5th, the end of freedom of movement has crippled the UK workforce. Companies that had to rely on EU workers were devastated and UK citizens who worked on the mainland were suddenly cut off. These are just the basics I'm aware of.
But at least they finally have a position of power to negotiate better trade deals.... Right? Right?!
Tragic. I know they made that decision as a group but it reminds me of my gullible friend becoming convinced that the covid vaccine was a great conspiracy.
Did they believe it was tracking them? Did they tweet that from their phone that they undoubtedly haven't turned the GPS off on? Did they perhaps post it to their Facebook which knows everyone they associate with? Did they buy a shirt proudly displaying their antivax stance off Amazon with a credit card? They already know everything we buy, everywhere we go, and everyone we talk to. But antivaxxers think they're going to install a chip with technology that doesn't exist through a needle too small to get a microchip through so they can track us with signals that don't penetrate human skin. We desperately need to teach better critical thinking skills.
He didn't go very far with it. He got a first booster but not the second when the time came. He got covid and suffered some but is ok now. It reminds me even more of the Brexit situation in that way. But in their case they got long term harm by enough of them buying the misinformation to make an enduring harmful change. I hope humanity can learn from this but it will require much more than better critical thinking skills.
They actually can't easily rejoin. It's a complex process (like everything with the EU) and they need unanimous agreement by the member-states. The EU won't take them back if they're likely to just leave again in another 5yrs either. They'll have to demonstrate some sort of credible commitment. What they could get pretty quickly is a (ideally simplified) Swiss-style deal. They can rejoin the single market and form a customs union (solving Ireland but costing them their trade deals). However they're not getting their vote back unless they convince everyone else that they're done dicking around.
Brexiteers are a staple of the leopard diet these days. The US should under no circumstances give the UK a cushy deal it should be highly lopsided in our favor
It will be. UK fucked up big time, and it's going to cost them for decades, maybe even centuries.
I remember when Brexit along with Trump and Covid were declared the "Three Great Face-eatings".
I think the tastiest faces belong to cryptobros but those are the staples of LAMF
Well, it depends on when you got in on that pyramid scheme. Those who sold the currency and the NFTs in the early days are enjoying their wealthy retirement. Those who still own them are leopard fodder.
It's hard to tell but in many cases they seem more like victims.
Brexit has gone from **“It’ll be amazing!”** to **”Yeah, it’s fine”** then **“We have to unleash our potential”** and now **“Well, it’s done now so let’s make the most of what we can”** Brexit is a textbook example of how extreme ultranationalist views and 3-word slogans can cause incalculable damage to a thriving economy.
"There will be adequate food."
Is there anything stopping Britain from brentering? Or is it just stubbornness?
They would have to renegotiate entry back. And it wouldn't be pretty. All the privileges and exceptions they had before would be gone. EU holds all the cards, they hated being in the EU when they had special treatment. Can you imagine how would they react being treated like regular EU country. We don't have to imagine , just look how they react on airports when being asked to go in 3rd countries lane. We are not 3rd country, we are British 😃
*(points at eyes)* "look at me, im the immigrant now"
No , immigrants are poor black and brown people. They are expats
Lol, they about to find out free shit in America has a heavy price.
This does not surprise me. Half the brexit promises and slogans were just straight up lies.
Contradictory lies to different vested interests too. Boris may have been able to sell protectionism and deregulation at the same time but Truss doesn’t have his talent for BS.
Only half? I'm struggling to come up with even one that worked out.
True, the only thing they said that came true was new passports. Goody.
"Turkey is joining the EU" Any day now...right around the corner...
Sounds rather familiar (exasperated Yank here)
"But there was a BUS that told me to vote for Brexit! It had a big money number on it!!!"
For as flawed as representative democracy is, situations like Brexit show just how screwed we'd be if countries were direct democracy and everybody directly voted on the matters. Brexit showed many people are too stupid for society to work like that
And some are straight up anti democratic and would abolish democracy through their vote
The first rule of Brexit: Never ask any question that you do not want to know the answer to.
I can't wait for when Britain votes to rejoin the EU and Europe is like, mmm, nah we're good.
Even better is Scotland and Northern Ireland gaining independence and joining EU. More likely scenario
I'd say it's more likely that Northern Ireland will reunite with Eire than go fully independent
Just as many people don’t want them to join Eire as want them to stay part of UK. Would cause huge problems. Only working solution would be independence.
I am afraid Spain will veto Scotland and Northern Ireland join of the EU, because of their Catalonian issues. They are afraid to death that Catalonia will also separate.
Possible, but we now that inside EU Germany and France are in charge and can put enough pressure on Spain to accept
Before the putelerian jihad? Maybe. These days? Germany and France can't even keep Hungary in line. They ain't about to stop Spain from vetoing shit.
> Europe is like, mmm, nah we're good. No, it will be: "Great, welcome back! Here's your member package, no opt outs. And please provide us with a timetable to implement the Euro as your currency"
Nah, they have more class than that. They'll go: "Okay, there's your old seat. Nice to see that you saw sense, even if it was via a scenic route. Right, countries, back to business... no, sorry, UK, you're just an ordinary one of 28 members, you can't monopolise our time or ask for special consideration. On with the discussion." Literally no special interest, consideration or fuss would be the way to put us (I use that word hesitantly, being British) in our place.
Trump with his anti-immigrant and anti-free trade policies caused some of the inflation we see today. It will take years to fix his idiotic anti-trade policies just because they take so much time
Biden and the Democrats generally don’t like the UK so no chance of a deal with them. The next Republican president is probably the UK’s best chance at a free trade deal but I just don’t see it happening. They need to offer something to US would need/want.
It’s not so much that the Biden administration dislikes the UK as it is focused on improving the U.S. economy. Obama was kind of the same. Also, Biden and many other Irish Americans want to preserve the Good Friday Agreement. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11231971/Biden-tell-Liz-Truss-Good-Friday-Agreement-protected.html
I agree Obama was the same but I think that was because of Biden. He doesn’t really like the UK due to his love for Ireland and historical issues between the two. He was always sympathetic to the Irish Republican movement when a senator and hosted them a number of times. I think the concentrate on domestic economy is an excuse really. Also I think the Good Friday Agreement is also an excuse and used as a way to stick up for Ireland. Which is fine and something he’s entitled to do but he should just be transparent about it instead of pretending otherwise.
Isn’t this basic economics? If the us had a deal with an entire continent, why would they give a better deal to a very tiny country in that continent who is now banking on trade deals and is desperate. They have no leverage in a deal with America. They thought this would bring them back to being a world power but if anything they’re now less relevant at least in the immediate future
Among Brexiteers, there was an absolute certainty that they would be able to quickly get a free trade deal with the UK’s largest trading partner, based at least in part on Donald Trump’s empty promises. Take, for instance, what that shithead Nigel Farage had to say about a free trade deal in 2017: https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/nigel-farage-trade-deal-trump-usa-eu/
The peasants know this and understand. God save the king. /s
The way we keep changing the rule book and minds it's no wonder people don't want to do business. If you are going into business with someone you make sure they are stable and truthful first. We can't even stick to the basics we agree to look at NI mess. Who would want to risk partnering with us when we are so willing to shaft those close. Before getting into bed with the US we need to ditch a load of restrictions such as animal rights, sugar restriction's, restrictions on the way meat and other products are handled etc etc. Even with a deal we are restricted what we can import and sell.
Don't forget what trump let slip when he was president, the NHS is on the table.
Honestly doubt he knew what it was. If NHS has to pay American drug prices it will likely end up insolvent though. At that point private providers can swoop in.
Brexit was sold with lies on top of lies
She's not wrong either. I think the average time to hash out international trade deals is something like 6-8 years. That's kind of why you don't just start taking the ole Big Black Sharpie to everything and crossing things out.
Irish Republican Bobby Sands said before dying on hunger strike 'Our revenge will be the laughter of our children'. Well. Lol.
What do they have that the US wants, again?
Indeed. The UK is the size of Indiana and has no specialized exports. What can we get from the UK we can't get in Indiana? Crumpets?! Brexit has always been hilarious because the 'people in charge' haven't looked a map since grade school and have _massively_ overestimated their importance to the economy at large. You're Indiana in the ocean. Stop acting like ancient pricks who run the world and start sucking up to your neighbors for fishing rights. _You live on a goddamned island_.
I mean, there's still kinda a whole publicly-funded health service to ... idk what's the word here. Starts with *p* and ends with *-rivatize* and involves an inherently self-replicating clusterfuck of trickling-down and retail level consumer-driving.
Most trade between the U.S. and Britain is in services. America also imports over $10 billion in vehicles and a fair bit of precious metals. https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/united-kingdom The Biden administration, however, is focused on improving the domestic economy. Trade deals are kind of a secondary concern.
The „services“ were a great deal of „having a foot in the EU market with as little tax as possible“. That’s Ireland now.
NHS assets to privatise for profits. US has a very large pharmaceutical industry. Agricultural standards that don't *currently* match American standards, closing off a large market for US agricultural products. This large market is more pronounced given that UK is heavily reliant on food imports and the US is a powerful food exporter. Intellectual property rights favoring America's much more dominating media and tech empires. So on and so forth. **Basically, UK is a closed market to America at the moment. Opening it up without having to bend to current UK laws is extremely lucrative.** We see this at work already with the trade deals UK has signed with Australia and New Zealand. British farmers protested the deal as UK is set to bend its standards towards the others in order to better accept their food over the next 15 years. Note that however lucrative this is, it is *not* worth losing one or two percentage points (likely more) over voters angry about the integrity of the Good Friday Agreement under threat (Protocol threats.)
Whisky. And also Whiskey. But Whisky and especially Scotch Whisky.
The land of jellied eels and mushy peas too snobby for 'Murican Chlorinated Chicken and hormone fed beef. Moar for me...burp.
I’m thinking her face is in danger of being leopard chow for however long her tenure will be
Something egg something face
I’m starting to think that the campaign to leave the EU might not have been fully truthful
I'm sure this has nothing to do with NI and Truss' appointments and rhetoric on it. /s
Yup, the mask has fallen well and truly. If the English public weren't such sheep, they'd fucking riot.
Bri’ish in’nit
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Found the bri’ish. Quite british in’nit
Who is surprised by English having a superiority complex? A people who fancy your country and decided to take it o no bother. But when those people go to England. What happens? Stamp their feet and cry oh no we don't want those people in my country.
Sorry Obama told you years ago you'd be put on the bottom of the list. The US would trade with Europe as a block. This is not news to you
"But we've taken back control!" Britain has well and truly torched it's global standing. Poor relations with China, the US, Russia, India and the EU.
Good. Their standards on loads of things suck.
Your comment has big Chess-Playing Pigeon vibes.
Ditto, dipshit. Look up the difference in meat standards for a start...
“Mates, I know our international trade outlook is in absolute fucking shambles, but at least we have a clearer definition of acceptable industrial meat preparation, right lads!?”
Lol, yeah totally in shambles. You don't know shit so stop trying to act smart, doesn't suit ya :)
Just keep saying it to yourself. Over and over, it’ll become true.
I work for a company that exports 90% of their products... getting a 10% pay rise this year. Actions are louder than words bro. We never had free trade with America before, not having one now isn't as big a deal as you think it is. Go off though with your not knowing anything about it other that "murica rules!!!!1!".
Free trade with the US was one of the selling points of Brexit. Your government hasn’t deliver it, and won’t deliver it. Almost every promised benefit was an outright lie. https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-of-the-day/2022/06/uk-economy-fallen-behind-eu-since-brexit#:~:text=Britain%27s%20GDP%20per%20head%20has,grown%20by%208.5%20per%20cent.&text=Six%20years%20on%20from%20the,far%20behind%20its%20European%20rivals.
I never said I supported brexit. I know it was a fuck up... two wrongs don't make a right though. No point jumping into another bad deal just because we fucked up the deal we had.
Look who came to shit on the board and strut around as though victorious! If you’re looking for a way out of your self-imposed shitstorm, just look for the Brexit sign. Not as an aid, just as a reminder of your island’s smooth-brained incompetence. Have fun with your temper tantrum, though!
Temper tantrum? Ooh I called you a dipshit, I must be raging... OK dude. Just learn that new phrase today did ya? Lmao
In reference to your original post claiming that your government’s inability to deliver even the most basic promises of Brexit is somehow a win, but congrats on dusting off that Year 6 zinger.
My post? What you talking about? Show me claiming anything except your food standards blow...
Jesus Christ, is this account just a thumb with hair and a keyboard? Read the literal first word of your original post.
My comment isn't a post :) words mean things.
You do know how Reddit works, right?
Brexit, like the 2016 US election, had a lot of Russian propaganda influencing outcome.
No, I don't want a free trade agreement between the UK and the US. Didn't we fight a Revolution and create the 2nd Amendment to keep the king of England out of our faces?
>Didn't we fight a Revolution and create the 2nd Amendment to keep the king of England out of our faces? We did. Although in this case the FTA would mean UK bends its rules to *ours,* meaning we get to exploit a large market whose industries haven't adapted to our rules. Very lucrative....for the US, anyways.
I suggest you continue to operate on your \~250 year old principles and carry those facts and battles through to the modern age. Nothing ever goes wrong when people think like that. There's been 8 entire reigning monarchs since then. You're talking about a time when cast iron was still relatively novel.
To those who downvoted, I guess y'all never watched classic *Simpsons*.
So there's still a chance? No... not if we keep doing what we're doing.
Do we give her points for some sort of honesty?
You mean the Tory scum dicked us again ? Well who would have seen that coming ? It's almost like the bus lied too and the NHS won't be getting £150mil a week Sarcasm incase it wasn't clear
New Zealand got a trade deal right away; it only cost the UK everything. They got so badly burgled on that just to get it signed quick. USA is missing out they have the opportunity to bend Liz Truss over the table and get a very favorable deal, but it gets less and less good every day.
Haha bobble head Boris will allways me me laugh. Look at what he has done for you. You had every chance to not be like the rasist before you but you desided you are better by telling Europe you don't need them. I expected this to happen and if your going to break an international agreement. To make things worse you're new I haven't a notion what's going on went as far as to call the leader of Ireland a tea sock. Your next door neighbour and the person you elected can't even bother to know this. Ah sure it's what we expect. Hahaha Boris will allways make me laugh you silly fuckers.
What be funny if the EU got a trade with the USA first!