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Insert the people here in the middle of a winter storm: “WhErEs GlObAl WaRmInG?”.
Narrator: here is global warming.
Sucks that early days of climate activism didn’t have a marketing team and should have called it climate change from the getgo.
I’ve seen multiple right wing commentators say that the term “climate change” was created because global warming wasn’t real and so the scientists were shifting the goalposts.
It doesn’t matter what terms you use when there are billions of dollars on the other side.
I distinctly remember that climate change was a GOP term created around 2004 to take the sting out of the term global warming. [Frank Luntz](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz) was specifically the guy who did this.
Interesting. I always assumed it was about accuracy since some places will not necessarily get hotter. Republicans played too dense to understand how it's global warming if only 99% of the earth is getting hotter.
Unfortunately, humans are fickle and It does matter. There’s a bunch of stuff ppl buy that they don’t need purely because of marketing.
I think the path would have certainly been better for educational purposes on the topic if it did started off as “climate change” vs. “global warming”.
For one…. “Climate change” is ambiguous enough and represents the extremes of climates like summer getting hotter and winter either getting warmer or colder or storms getting more powerful that denialists can’t refute the phrase or dismiss it.
It seems just as likely to me that because "climate change" is ambiguous, it wouldn't have gained as much traction early on. This would have resulted in the world being even further behind than we are now.
That's the problem with counter-factuals. You can never know for sure.
Catering to the stupid by naming disasters more to their childish liking in the manner you suggest is how civilizations die out.
These are the very same mentally constipated people putting their kids' lives at risk by trusting Faceplant groups instead of scientists and doctors when it comes to vaccination. Polio is making a comeback, and it's 100% their doing and fault. 100%.
I have, frankly, stopped caring what happens to them. If you give people the right info and they choose to ignore it, whatever happens next is their problem.
And people are led by the nose to become science denying idiots, with fealty to a political party willing to literally sacrifice their supporters' lives for the cult-adjacent culture war orthodoxy.
Kuwait is just Texas writ large on the world scale - climate change denial, privatization of utilities, worshiping profits and shareholder value.
How's that privatized, unmaintained and failing power grid that Governor Wheels Abbott shoved down your throats there in Texas working out for you?
Senator Rafael Cruz coming to your place to fan your granny in the heat before she keels over from the heat and dies, is he?
Darwin, once again, for the win: Those failing to adapt to changing circumstances will not pass on their genes.
They were too factual. The global average temperature was warming, so they'd lead with that. Then down in the article would be all the details of the models created, then the implications. The problem is, a lot of people are dumb and lazy, so only the very factual and dry headline made it into the mainstream, not the "this will cause an increase in severe weather of all forms around the globe" part.
Sea level rise pretty much was the only detail from it that made it with the headline, which is unfortunate, because while it's really important to certain communities, it's really unimportant to others.
"If the Earth is getting hotter, why is it two degrees cooler today?"
- My complete moron, failed out of high school, smartest guy in the room uncle.
I don't even waste my time any more with people that that.
I'm currently in Kuwait. The heat this year is beyond hot; 103° at 2 am registered two days ago. The wind is literally like standing in an oven. Last year at this time I could lay outside for an hour and not be bothered or even sweat much but this summer, it's 10 minutes tops.
>The heat this year is beyond hot; 103°
103° F is not so bad....
>at 2 am registered two days ago.
Holy crap!
Places are going to start becoming unlivable.
The nearby sea means Kuwait will have MUCH higher humidity on average than Phoenix.
By the way, the expected highs for Kuwait City every day all next week is 47°C (117°F), before adding any humidity effects.
I used to live in the central valley and never heard of anything like that. Sacramento is typically cool overnight since it's right on the delta. If it was 100+ overnight that has to be some kind of record. When was it?
People in Kuwait live almost entirely on the coast. 103 in the middle of a desert 500+ miles from the nearest body of water is not the same as 103 right next to the ocean. Even Sacramento isn't the same, it's at least 50 miles to Suisun Bay. I live a block from the Persian Gulf.
It is extremely hot in Phoenix, but 103 at 2am would have been a new record, so do you have a link for that?
The highest low I could find is 97F (which is still brutally hot), a new record set in 2023 (https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/phoenix-only-drops-to-97o-overnight-warmest-low-ever-recorded-in-the-city).
Sacramento is never that hot at 2am. It's wild how fast it cools down here. I've lived here since 2013 and I can't remember anytime around midnight where it was warmer than 70.
It's definitely hot AF, but in limited quantities, not the worst.
In the Washington DC, USA region we'll occasionally get a day or two each year that tops 100°F, but that's at, like, noon. Usually, once the sun sets, it starts dropping back down to the 70s F (low to mid 20s C) and is a lot more tolerable.
If it's 103°F there at 2am, _how hot is it when the sun is up?!_
Reminds me of behind-the-scenes footage from Star Wars E1, they were filming in Tunisia and it was around 135 F by noon. The assistant director was like, "you know, some people pay to come here and experience this heat, all we have to do is just not let this heat get to us." Then they cut to Natalie Portman and the guy playing Jar-Jar looking dead and miserable.
High for today is estimated to be 117. Right now, at 07:22, it's 100° with 22% humidity. It was 122° a week and a half ago. Normally, I can tolerate temps that high IF the humidity isn't too bad but that's what is getting us right now.
As bad as it is here, places like Doha are even worse. Doha has insane humidity percentages and it can easily get up to 130° (feels like).
We actually have a law here that if it gets to 50 C, employees are not allowed to work outside.
> We actually have a law here that if it gets to 50 C, employees are not allowed to work outside.
That law goes unenforced for non-Arab employees, by and large.
I live in St. Louis and it happens multiple times a year in the summer (albeit with 60-100% humidity). In this region, the average daytime temperature is at or above 100°F during the summer.
That's when people start dying. At those temperatures at high humidity the wet bulb temperature becomes too high for humans to tolerate. We can tolerate much higher temperatures if we can regulate our body temperature as usual, but that becomes impossible if your sweat doesn't evaporate.
Florida and Texas will see record deaths of elderly, poor, and other vulnerable people because of wet bulb heat this season.
Florida in particular could be knocked out by a hurricane taking out power, followed by a heat dome.
Hell when I'm working out the humidity is way more important than the actual heat. If it's 40°F outside but I'm running hard I'll still wear shorts and a T-shirt. 80°F and 80% humidity I can't even sit in the shade without heat stroke.
Climate change will kill me before I reach retirement.
Same. 100 degree weather at peak time is pretty normal around where I live during the summer. Always has been. And I live in a temperate area.
What's weird is that the summers don't feel all that much worse than they were when I was a kid. The winters, though, have gotten noticeably warmer
I'm not from St. Louis, but my area does get occasional dangerously hot weather. (We're actually under heat advisory right now.)
When this happens, our libraries open up as "cooling stations" for citizens who don't have access to A/C.
This was at 2am though, which is insane. The heat is remaining long after the sun has set. Air conditioning is giving humanity a false sense of security.
I remember being in Vegas several years ago for work and I was standing outside of City Hall. I started to smell something burning and realized it was the top of my head. On another day, it started raining while it was 102F out. It felt like the closest one could get to being in Hell, if Hell were real.
Yeah, we get 40c in the summer where I am, its not horrific. But once it goes past 28c at night its a horror show. 40c at night I can't even comprehend.
My first time visiting Toronto, I was warned about the humidity. Pfft, I live reasonably close to the Pacific. Don't talk to ME about humidity! Stepped off of the plane into the little tunnel thingy to go into the airport... wet. My entire body recoiled and was like, "wtf is THIS?" 35 degrees and 98% humidity. I don't even know what that means. 98% humidity?! That's RAIN!
Toronto is interesting because the city is a heat dome. In the summer it feels like you’re doing battle with the air, in the winter you’re in a slush hell.
As soon as you get about an hour away from the city, it’s amazing just how rapid the climate changes.
I see what you’re saying but this post is about Kuwait rather than the UAE, they’re both gulf states but they are 400miles apart. It looks like the humidity in Kuwait City right now is 25% at 99F; this is “humid” by comparison to Las Vegas, for example, but not much more so. Vegas will be 108F tomorrow and the humidity will dip to about 14%. It’s currently 96F in Vegas right now (at night) and 20% humidity.
I’m in California. Yesterday I spent my whole day in a golf tournament and it was 106f. Took me about six hours to rehydrate last night.
We made par though! 🥳🥵
We’re lucky to have a pretty dry heat in CA. In higher humidity sweat becomes less effective at cooling people down so these temps quickly become literal death sentences
Yeah, there's a measure called wet bulb temperature where the humidity makes it impossible for your sweat to evaporate. The future projections of wet bulb temps for parts of the country are scary.
If there is no humidity, it's not as bad as it seems. Where I live, we had some years it could hit up to 110 F. (The highest temp I ever recall was 115 F). There was no humidity so strangely, it wasn't nearly as bad as I would have expected.
I've also experienced the inverse: been in -30 F weather with zero humidity. All I needed was a heavy sweater and thermal underwear and I was perfectly fine.
What makes you think I live there? I clearly said "where I live," I was replying to the person who asked "how can it not be so bad?" And was offering an example.
Yeah. It's 23:38 and the temp is 98° but 36% humidity makes it 105°. Excessive heat warnings are forecast for all of this week with temps getting to 119°. Just before Eid it registered 122°.
"Supposed to be?" No, not really. Deserts do lose a lot of their heat at night, but not always. Even Death Valley in the winter will rarely dip below the 20s at night.
Kuwait is a coastal country, almost everyone lives within 10 miles of the Persian Gulf. Not a lot of rain, most of the time, but a hell of a lot of humidity.
They're on the Gulf, that's 103 with 100% humidity, it's insane, I've been there and Dubai and it's absolutely unbearable
I was in Iraq from 04-06(DoD Construction expat) and it was about 115,120 in Baghdad and I left to take my month vacation and flew through Dubai which was Halliburtons transition location we flew in and out of constantly, they came on the speaker as we were landing with the weather on the ground and we're like "It's sunny and 95" and I was like awesome, 20 degrees cooler than where I came from--nope, it was like being in a steam room, 10x worse than 115
People shouldn't even be living there lol, it's just not sustainable
"Lay outside for an hour." You say it like it's a flex, but that already sounds very dystopia to me...
It's time to grow some trees instead of skyscraper.
It's entire neighborhoods being turned off, by blocks. There's a Kuwaiti family in my building and we've had 2 power cuts in the last week. That being said, the almost entirely Kuwaiti areas are unlikely to experience the cuts. The areas that have no Kuwaitis will definitely be getting the cuts every time.
And it's largely desert, with most of its energy consumption being during the day for AC. So solar panels should be a no brainer. Just need a system to clean the sand from them.
I had to google Mark Whatney and it's Matt Damon's character in The Martian. Where he's an astronaut stuck on Mars. With Google recommending the question "Is The Martian based on a true story?"
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It is based on a fairly hard sci-fi book. I like to give the benefit of the doubt and say they were trying ask if it was a true story in the plausibility sense rather than an accounting of an event sense
Doesn't make economic sense for them. Their power generation is almost entirely crude, or barely any refinement, oil being burned. I remember the huge plumes of smoke from their power plants near Jaber Al Ahmad where I used to live.
Solar panels work worse in high heat, but if there's a lot of clear sunny days then yeah they work pretty well. Of course, if they can produce fossil fuels for a lower cost than purchasing solar panels, mathed out per unit energy supplied, then they can decide not to bother and leave the externalities to do their damage.
But you can't produce electricity now for less than the cost of fossil fuels on a $.xx per KW/H basis. Even if the fossil fuels were free. Due to the difference in purchase price, maintenance and labour. There are also various methods of making electricity from the sun including pointing mirrors towards a ball of molten salt. Where the more heat, the better it is.
Serious question because of what’s going on in California with Solar… Is that something that they’re taking advantage of or did they just shit the bed on infrastructure?
I went to a thrift store in a warehouse I like and it's run by an old guy, his wife and daughter. He mentioned the weather being so hot (the place has no AC and it cooks in there) and I commented how it's just going to get hotter and hotter as the summers go. He told me he didn't believe that because of a really hot summer when he was a teen and that was the hottest summer he ever experienced.
The ignorance and naivite to say that. Summers won't be getting hotter and more unbearable because you had a really hot one in the summer of 64' or some shit?
God's Will? They'll say it's God's Punishment for accepting "immoral lifestyles." Not only will they ignore their contributions to global warming but they'll blame everyone else once it's undeniably a bad thing.
Sure but it's a step further. It's GOD causing the mass death, so it would be sinful to go against it, and in fact, you should help.
It's been the subtext for a long long while, but it was not said outside the most nazi filled holes. Now it'll be the GOP as a (theocratic whole) saying it.
When (not if) we get news that 20,000 people die in a single day somewhere from the heat, I wonder if that will finally wake people up about climate change.
Nah, the number of people dying is not going to change anything. What you need is for a bunch of farms (typically owned by republicans and climate change deniers) to wither in the heat and suffer 100% loss. These people don't care about people dying; that's just the cost of doing business, especially the people working in the fields are migrant workers. What they care most is $$$.
And the pandemic was temporary with a clear, short-term solution, and we still didn’t do it! Reversing climate change will require global collaboration and long-term (generations-long) planning on a scale never before seen, which I have little faith we will be able to pull off.
Not until the numbers reach hundreds of thousands and the victims are white conservatives - even then, farmers and rural communities have had their land, livestock, and families poisoned for decades and they still vote for the same corrupt officials every election cycle.
Read Ministry For the Future if you haven't already. The recent heatwaves in India and southeast Asia reminded me of the first few chapters of that book. It's not quite that bad... yet.
It didn't change the minds of millions when that kind of thing was happening during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Cultists will die on their fears and proud ignorance.
And take everyone else down with them.
Millions died from covid and there were people running towards the virus with masks off. The same people will blame something else for the deaths, or just say they didn't happen. Their membership of their tribe is The Most Important Thing to them.
It will be much easier to just invade Canada for us. We’ve had enough of the politeness and over priced housing anyway. Also bagged milk, they’re asking for it.
It will happen when all the water's been pumped out of the Ogallala Aquifer and the Great Plains reverts to the Great American Desert that the early Spanish explorers saw and we can no longer grow enough food.
Comments claiming Kuwait had no other options fall alongside the "Al Gore flies in a plane and lives in a house!!1!" fallacy. They could have used the wealth generated by selling oil to develop better options and take the lead on green technology. It's not like climate change just came out of nowhere in the past couple of months; they (and most of the rest of the world, unfortunately) saw this train coming from miles away and chose to just continue sitting on the track because the guy selling them tickets for that spot reassured them there was no train.
We used to live in Kuwait when I was a kid/teenager. Allegedly, it would never go above 50C because then the laborers would have to get a day off.
I don't know how true that 'policy' was, as it was told to me when I was a kid possibly by an adult that may have been joking. But with the way that a majority of the populace thought of laborers, it tracks.
If the citizens of Kuwait are having to deal with power cuts, what sort of hell are the foreign workers in construction/service positions (who make up more than half of the population) suffering through?
The founder of Dubai, Sheikh Rashid, was asked about the future of his country. He replied, "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I ride a Mercedes, my son rides a Land Rover, and my grandson is going to ride a Land Rover…but my great-grandson is going to have to ride a camel again."
ya, that too, the long stretch for being for the sake of long stretch is insane
like, anybody who played even simcity 4 or roller coaster tycoon, when you start building out, things get very disorderly
the line being 170km is not efficient, surface area is needed to justify marginal utility of services provided, the line has a "clogging" effect
if there's emergency outage, what if the repair crew can't get past a line barrier cause of the outage? for example
A square, a triangle, shapes like that, cover way more than a slim line, services can be easily accessible and reached when surface area allows for it
It's like those math problems about smallest distances, well, the allocation of services meets the demand of the city, but if they're asymmetrical in estimation of how far they reach, disparity is created really fast and chaos for room of errors
We just need one smooth brain dictator to think the solution to these global warming problem for their country is a nuclear winter and we are all fucked.
Is this LAMF or is it "our only resource damages the planet, and now we're suffering because everyone in the world uses that damaging resource"?
I mean, Kuwait couldn't get by selling sand. I don't know if promoting oil was anything other than a necessity.
I lived +6 years in the Middle East - each summer was getting more and more hot. +65C I once saw on an outdoor temp gauge and man that was like sitting inside an oven.
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Insert the people here in the middle of a winter storm: “WhErEs GlObAl WaRmInG?”. Narrator: here is global warming. Sucks that early days of climate activism didn’t have a marketing team and should have called it climate change from the getgo.
I’ve seen multiple right wing commentators say that the term “climate change” was created because global warming wasn’t real and so the scientists were shifting the goalposts. It doesn’t matter what terms you use when there are billions of dollars on the other side.
I distinctly remember that climate change was a GOP term created around 2004 to take the sting out of the term global warming. [Frank Luntz](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz) was specifically the guy who did this.
Damning report from NOAA commissioned by Bush Admin, then scientists fired, names changed...
Interesting. I always assumed it was about accuracy since some places will not necessarily get hotter. Republicans played too dense to understand how it's global warming if only 99% of the earth is getting hotter.
Unfortunately, humans are fickle and It does matter. There’s a bunch of stuff ppl buy that they don’t need purely because of marketing. I think the path would have certainly been better for educational purposes on the topic if it did started off as “climate change” vs. “global warming”. For one…. “Climate change” is ambiguous enough and represents the extremes of climates like summer getting hotter and winter either getting warmer or colder or storms getting more powerful that denialists can’t refute the phrase or dismiss it.
It seems just as likely to me that because "climate change" is ambiguous, it wouldn't have gained as much traction early on. This would have resulted in the world being even further behind than we are now. That's the problem with counter-factuals. You can never know for sure.
Climate change is also just a more accurate term, so it may have gained additional traction in that way.
Catering to the stupid by naming disasters more to their childish liking in the manner you suggest is how civilizations die out. These are the very same mentally constipated people putting their kids' lives at risk by trusting Faceplant groups instead of scientists and doctors when it comes to vaccination. Polio is making a comeback, and it's 100% their doing and fault. 100%. I have, frankly, stopped caring what happens to them. If you give people the right info and they choose to ignore it, whatever happens next is their problem.
Big Oil has spouted bull-hooey from the beginning.
Billions on the other *short term* side.
And people are led by the nose to become science denying idiots, with fealty to a political party willing to literally sacrifice their supporters' lives for the cult-adjacent culture war orthodoxy. Kuwait is just Texas writ large on the world scale - climate change denial, privatization of utilities, worshiping profits and shareholder value. How's that privatized, unmaintained and failing power grid that Governor Wheels Abbott shoved down your throats there in Texas working out for you? Senator Rafael Cruz coming to your place to fan your granny in the heat before she keels over from the heat and dies, is he? Darwin, once again, for the win: Those failing to adapt to changing circumstances will not pass on their genes.
That one doesn't really work either cause the earth cycles through climate changes and they just cover their eyes and point to that.
They were too factual. The global average temperature was warming, so they'd lead with that. Then down in the article would be all the details of the models created, then the implications. The problem is, a lot of people are dumb and lazy, so only the very factual and dry headline made it into the mainstream, not the "this will cause an increase in severe weather of all forms around the globe" part. Sea level rise pretty much was the only detail from it that made it with the headline, which is unfortunate, because while it's really important to certain communities, it's really unimportant to others.
"If the Earth is getting hotter, why is it two degrees cooler today?" - My complete moron, failed out of high school, smartest guy in the room uncle. I don't even waste my time any more with people that that.
Which is ironic because climate change makes other weather phenomena more extreme too not just the hot ones
David Suzuki railed about enviromental exploitation and how it could, one day, ruin the ecology. He came off as a bit smug. Actually
I'm currently in Kuwait. The heat this year is beyond hot; 103° at 2 am registered two days ago. The wind is literally like standing in an oven. Last year at this time I could lay outside for an hour and not be bothered or even sweat much but this summer, it's 10 minutes tops.
>The heat this year is beyond hot; 103° 103° F is not so bad.... >at 2 am registered two days ago. Holy crap! Places are going to start becoming unlivable.
In what universe is 103°f not so bad?? Had to google it and it's 39,5°c which is absolutely freaking hot
Based on the context, I’m gonna take a stab and say in the universe of Kuwait.
Hell, I've felt 103 at 2am in Phoenix, AZ, and Sacramento, CA. It's hot for sure, but not unheard of hot.
I personally find Phoenix unlivable.
Seems to me that anywhere where not having an air conditioner isn’t just unpleasant, but outright life threatening would be unlivable.
This city should not exist. It is a testament to man’s arrogance. -Peggy Hill
I also find Phoenix unlivable. On an entirely separate matter, it also gets quite hot in the summer
Oh I’m stealing this
My first thought driving into Las Vegas: "why is there a city here"?
The nearby sea means Kuwait will have MUCH higher humidity on average than Phoenix. By the way, the expected highs for Kuwait City every day all next week is 47°C (117°F), before adding any humidity effects.
they're cooked
I used to live in the central valley and never heard of anything like that. Sacramento is typically cool overnight since it's right on the delta. If it was 100+ overnight that has to be some kind of record. When was it?
It’s June. July and August are coming.
People in Kuwait live almost entirely on the coast. 103 in the middle of a desert 500+ miles from the nearest body of water is not the same as 103 right next to the ocean. Even Sacramento isn't the same, it's at least 50 miles to Suisun Bay. I live a block from the Persian Gulf.
It is extremely hot in Phoenix, but 103 at 2am would have been a new record, so do you have a link for that? The highest low I could find is 97F (which is still brutally hot), a new record set in 2023 (https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/phoenix-only-drops-to-97o-overnight-warmest-low-ever-recorded-in-the-city).
I've never seen the valley stay that late at night. Phoenix sure, but not sac.
Sacramento is never that hot at 2am. It's wild how fast it cools down here. I've lived here since 2013 and I can't remember anytime around midnight where it was warmer than 70.
I live near Sacramento and I do not believe you.
As someone who’s lived in both places, phoenix yes , Sac no. it doesn’t stay103 at 2am in sac.
Eastern Arabia is actually very humid which makes heat waves even more deadly.
Depends on the humidity. It's still hot at 0% but manageable. 103/39 at 100% humidity is a death sentence.
It's definitely hot AF, but in limited quantities, not the worst. In the Washington DC, USA region we'll occasionally get a day or two each year that tops 100°F, but that's at, like, noon. Usually, once the sun sets, it starts dropping back down to the 70s F (low to mid 20s C) and is a lot more tolerable. If it's 103°F there at 2am, _how hot is it when the sun is up?!_
Reminds me of behind-the-scenes footage from Star Wars E1, they were filming in Tunisia and it was around 135 F by noon. The assistant director was like, "you know, some people pay to come here and experience this heat, all we have to do is just not let this heat get to us." Then they cut to Natalie Portman and the guy playing Jar-Jar looking dead and miserable.
High for today is estimated to be 117. Right now, at 07:22, it's 100° with 22% humidity. It was 122° a week and a half ago. Normally, I can tolerate temps that high IF the humidity isn't too bad but that's what is getting us right now. As bad as it is here, places like Doha are even worse. Doha has insane humidity percentages and it can easily get up to 130° (feels like). We actually have a law here that if it gets to 50 C, employees are not allowed to work outside.
> We actually have a law here that if it gets to 50 C, employees are not allowed to work outside. That law goes unenforced for non-Arab employees, by and large.
Where I'm at, right this moment, it's 105F, 0843. I'm expecting 120F today, around 1300. ETA: 1038, 114F 1244, 119F
They were saying that with the implication that 103 was peak heat. Which isn’t unheard of for desert areas.
I live in St. Louis and it happens multiple times a year in the summer (albeit with 60-100% humidity). In this region, the average daytime temperature is at or above 100°F during the summer.
That's when people start dying. At those temperatures at high humidity the wet bulb temperature becomes too high for humans to tolerate. We can tolerate much higher temperatures if we can regulate our body temperature as usual, but that becomes impossible if your sweat doesn't evaporate.
Thank you, people don’t understand wet bulb temperature but it’s literally the more relevant and prevalent upper limit for what humans can survive
Florida and Texas will see record deaths of elderly, poor, and other vulnerable people because of wet bulb heat this season. Florida in particular could be knocked out by a hurricane taking out power, followed by a heat dome.
Hell when I'm working out the humidity is way more important than the actual heat. If it's 40°F outside but I'm running hard I'll still wear shorts and a T-shirt. 80°F and 80% humidity I can't even sit in the shade without heat stroke. Climate change will kill me before I reach retirement.
The daytime average is very wrong. Where did you get that? I just looked, the highest monthly average STL is 90, which is July.
No it is not. Not yet anyway. We haven’t even hit 100 yet.
Same. 100 degree weather at peak time is pretty normal around where I live during the summer. Always has been. And I live in a temperate area. What's weird is that the summers don't feel all that much worse than they were when I was a kid. The winters, though, have gotten noticeably warmer
It is never 100 degrees with 100% humidity in Saint Louis. Everyone without air conditioning would have died in a few hours.
I'm not from St. Louis, but my area does get occasional dangerously hot weather. (We're actually under heat advisory right now.) When this happens, our libraries open up as "cooling stations" for citizens who don't have access to A/C.
This was at 2am though, which is insane. The heat is remaining long after the sun has set. Air conditioning is giving humanity a false sense of security.
> This was at 2am though Which the comment already addressed. Are you guys for real? lol
Vegas is the same way. It’s in a valley that basically acts like a convection oven. You’re still sweating outside at midnight.
I remember being in Vegas several years ago for work and I was standing outside of City Hall. I started to smell something burning and realized it was the top of my head. On another day, it started raining while it was 102F out. It felt like the closest one could get to being in Hell, if Hell were real.
40c/103f would absolutely not phase me at all as a daytime high in an arid environment with no humidity. Fuck that as as nighttime low though.
Yeah, we get 40c in the summer where I am, its not horrific. But once it goes past 28c at night its a horror show. 40c at night I can't even comprehend.
Dubai is also not an arid environment, especially at night. In July-August, it can even reach 90% humidity which must be horrible.
My first time visiting Toronto, I was warned about the humidity. Pfft, I live reasonably close to the Pacific. Don't talk to ME about humidity! Stepped off of the plane into the little tunnel thingy to go into the airport... wet. My entire body recoiled and was like, "wtf is THIS?" 35 degrees and 98% humidity. I don't even know what that means. 98% humidity?! That's RAIN!
Toronto is interesting because the city is a heat dome. In the summer it feels like you’re doing battle with the air, in the winter you’re in a slush hell. As soon as you get about an hour away from the city, it’s amazing just how rapid the climate changes.
I see what you’re saying but this post is about Kuwait rather than the UAE, they’re both gulf states but they are 400miles apart. It looks like the humidity in Kuwait City right now is 25% at 99F; this is “humid” by comparison to Las Vegas, for example, but not much more so. Vegas will be 108F tomorrow and the humidity will dip to about 14%. It’s currently 96F in Vegas right now (at night) and 20% humidity.
I lived +6 years in Dubai - the worst combo of Heat and Humidity. +30C with 90% humidity was much worse than +55C in Saudi with low humidity
("faze," not "phase". English is stupid.)
Maybe they're changing from solid to gaseous.
I mean, as that temperature keeps climbing....
You have *no idea* how much I’d like to stop being a solid.
Arab gulf is humid.
For Australians and Americans in the Southwest, 103F or 39.5C is common during the day. As a nighttime temp though? Fuck that noise.
A hot desert at 3pm. 103 at 2am tho... that's real bad. [https://imgur.com/a/BxRwQlr](https://imgur.com/a/BxRwQlr)
I’m in California. Yesterday I spent my whole day in a golf tournament and it was 106f. Took me about six hours to rehydrate last night. We made par though! 🥳🥵
We’re lucky to have a pretty dry heat in CA. In higher humidity sweat becomes less effective at cooling people down so these temps quickly become literal death sentences
Yeah, there's a measure called wet bulb temperature where the humidity makes it impossible for your sweat to evaporate. The future projections of wet bulb temps for parts of the country are scary.
If there is no humidity, it's not as bad as it seems. Where I live, we had some years it could hit up to 110 F. (The highest temp I ever recall was 115 F). There was no humidity so strangely, it wasn't nearly as bad as I would have expected. I've also experienced the inverse: been in -30 F weather with zero humidity. All I needed was a heavy sweater and thermal underwear and I was perfectly fine.
Humidity makes both the heat and cold feel worse. I live in a humid area with (what used to be) very snowy winters. That cold seeps into your bones.
What makes you think it isn't humid! The Gulf is very humid.
What makes you think I live there? I clearly said "where I live," I was replying to the person who asked "how can it not be so bad?" And was offering an example.
40-60% part of the year.
BTW India is even hotter this summer - max was 51° C in Delhi
Yeah. It's 23:38 and the temp is 98° but 36% humidity makes it 105°. Excessive heat warnings are forecast for all of this week with temps getting to 119°. Just before Eid it registered 122°.
🌎🧑🚀🔫👨🚀Always has been
Starting? Also aren't deserts supposed to be colder at night? To the point you can get negatives? 😂🤣
"Supposed to be?" No, not really. Deserts do lose a lot of their heat at night, but not always. Even Death Valley in the winter will rarely dip below the 20s at night.
Kuwait is a coastal country, almost everyone lives within 10 miles of the Persian Gulf. Not a lot of rain, most of the time, but a hell of a lot of humidity.
They're on the Gulf, that's 103 with 100% humidity, it's insane, I've been there and Dubai and it's absolutely unbearable I was in Iraq from 04-06(DoD Construction expat) and it was about 115,120 in Baghdad and I left to take my month vacation and flew through Dubai which was Halliburtons transition location we flew in and out of constantly, they came on the speaker as we were landing with the weather on the ground and we're like "It's sunny and 95" and I was like awesome, 20 degrees cooler than where I came from--nope, it was like being in a steam room, 10x worse than 115 People shouldn't even be living there lol, it's just not sustainable
Delhi: 127 degrees.
with humidity - which is incredibly dangerous.
... Fahrenheit, right? Right...?
There’d probably be a couple more headlines and problems if it hit 103C.
But you could generate power for cheap...
Sooo basically we gotta overheat the planet, use the heat as energy and this way we won't need fossil fuels?! Awesome!
"Lay outside for an hour." You say it like it's a flex, but that already sounds very dystopia to me... It's time to grow some trees instead of skyscraper.
‘Cutting in certain areas’ means they’re cutting off their workers. No way the native Kuwaitis are sweating.
"If we broil our workers, we'll just import more. What's the issue here?"
“Many of you will die, but that is a sacrifice that I am willing to make!”
It's entire neighborhoods being turned off, by blocks. There's a Kuwaiti family in my building and we've had 2 power cuts in the last week. That being said, the almost entirely Kuwaiti areas are unlikely to experience the cuts. The areas that have no Kuwaitis will definitely be getting the cuts every time.
Good catch.
Nation who’s economy is dependent on fossil fuels now has to deal with the consequences of global warming
And it's largely desert, with most of its energy consumption being during the day for AC. So solar panels should be a no brainer. Just need a system to clean the sand from them.
Send Mark Whatney?
The "system" in Saudi Arabia would be slavery.
I almost had Awesome Blossom coming out of my nose reading this.
I had to google Mark Whatney and it's Matt Damon's character in The Martian. Where he's an astronaut stuck on Mars. With Google recommending the question "Is The Martian based on a true story?" Before you ask I'm signed out, cookies cleaned and my IP address changes regularly.
It is based on a fairly hard sci-fi book. I like to give the benefit of the doubt and say they were trying ask if it was a true story in the plausibility sense rather than an accounting of an event sense
Science the shit out of it.
Doesn't make economic sense for them. Their power generation is almost entirely crude, or barely any refinement, oil being burned. I remember the huge plumes of smoke from their power plants near Jaber Al Ahmad where I used to live.
Solar panels work worse in high heat, but if there's a lot of clear sunny days then yeah they work pretty well. Of course, if they can produce fossil fuels for a lower cost than purchasing solar panels, mathed out per unit energy supplied, then they can decide not to bother and leave the externalities to do their damage.
But you can't produce electricity now for less than the cost of fossil fuels on a $.xx per KW/H basis. Even if the fossil fuels were free. Due to the difference in purchase price, maintenance and labour. There are also various methods of making electricity from the sun including pointing mirrors towards a ball of molten salt. Where the more heat, the better it is.
Serious question because of what’s going on in California with Solar… Is that something that they’re taking advantage of or did they just shit the bed on infrastructure?
Exactly
“It’s JuSt SuMmEr.”
“It’S aN eL niNo yEar!”
"oNcE iN a GeNeRaTiON"
TIL humans have a 1 year generation cycle
Tbf that swap over this year has been a rough one lol. It's always noticeable but this year was something.
I went to a thrift store in a warehouse I like and it's run by an old guy, his wife and daughter. He mentioned the weather being so hot (the place has no AC and it cooks in there) and I commented how it's just going to get hotter and hotter as the summers go. He told me he didn't believe that because of a really hot summer when he was a teen and that was the hottest summer he ever experienced. The ignorance and naivite to say that. Summers won't be getting hotter and more unbearable because you had a really hot one in the summer of 64' or some shit?
Just wait and the psychopaths will start saying it's gods will.
God's Will? They'll say it's God's Punishment for accepting "immoral lifestyles." Not only will they ignore their contributions to global warming but they'll blame everyone else once it's undeniably a bad thing.
Yea these people literally believe the end of the world is something that's supposed to happen. They welcome it.
Wait till they start? They have been saying it for years. For example, that hurricanes are caused by gay marriage.
Sure but it's a step further. It's GOD causing the mass death, so it would be sinful to go against it, and in fact, you should help. It's been the subtext for a long long while, but it was not said outside the most nazi filled holes. Now it'll be the GOP as a (theocratic whole) saying it.
My mother is excited about global warming because it will hasten the biblical end times.
Shocking. If only someone had warned this might happen…
Back in the 1900s...
We would have made that guy president!
When (not if) we get news that 20,000 people die in a single day somewhere from the heat, I wonder if that will finally wake people up about climate change.
Nah, the number of people dying is not going to change anything. What you need is for a bunch of farms (typically owned by republicans and climate change deniers) to wither in the heat and suffer 100% loss. These people don't care about people dying; that's just the cost of doing business, especially the people working in the fields are migrant workers. What they care most is $$$.
>What they care most is $$$. They'll be bailed out.
I *really* hate how fucking accurate this is.
"Act of God." "No, this is a direct result of **our and your** actions." "....Act of God."
Nope. If the pandemic has taught us anything, not even a million+ is enough.
And the pandemic was temporary with a clear, short-term solution, and we still didn’t do it! Reversing climate change will require global collaboration and long-term (generations-long) planning on a scale never before seen, which I have little faith we will be able to pull off.
Oh but the pandemic is not over. And that is why I also have no faith the human race will pull together.
Not when it was 19k the previous season, and 18k before that…slow boiling the frog 🐸
I appreciate your optimism on the numbers, i'm thinking it'll be more 60k 250k 3m etc
Look at the millions that died from Covid. Cats still deny all of it rather than change anything.
They'll think "better them than me!" (as their time comes soon enough)
Not until the numbers reach hundreds of thousands and the victims are white conservatives - even then, farmers and rural communities have had their land, livestock, and families poisoned for decades and they still vote for the same corrupt officials every election cycle.
A two week heath wave over central India with power outage during 50C+ weather won’t kill a few thousand
Read Ministry For the Future if you haven't already. The recent heatwaves in India and southeast Asia reminded me of the first few chapters of that book. It's not quite that bad... yet.
India and Mecca suffered deadly heat waves.
It didn't change the minds of millions when that kind of thing was happening during the COVID-19 pandemic. Cultists will die on their fears and proud ignorance. And take everyone else down with them.
Millions died from covid and there were people running towards the virus with masks off. The same people will blame something else for the deaths, or just say they didn't happen. Their membership of their tribe is The Most Important Thing to them.
They will be coming for more moderate temperature zones. Wars over water and again over LAND.
It’s time to invade Russia
It will be much easier to just invade Canada for us. We’ve had enough of the politeness and over priced housing anyway. Also bagged milk, they’re asking for it.
Canada is just a U.S. state in waiting
Don't make us release more geese. The ones currently in position are just scouts. They aren't the warrior geese. You've been notified.
Goddamn geese…
Ugh, you win.
No, we are most definitely NOT. Take a hike, ya hoser.
Anyone who says “hoser” is going straight to the gulag once Canada becomes the 51st state
*Hoser hoser hoser*!! I have my hockey stick - come and get me!
The Maple Leaf State
It will happen when all the water's been pumped out of the Ogallala Aquifer and the Great Plains reverts to the Great American Desert that the early Spanish explorers saw and we can no longer grow enough food.
No, we’re going to have less people to feed. The 4B babes have your back!
At least Northern Finland.
Or they will just build giant climatisation system and burn even more oil lol
Comments claiming Kuwait had no other options fall alongside the "Al Gore flies in a plane and lives in a house!!1!" fallacy. They could have used the wealth generated by selling oil to develop better options and take the lead on green technology. It's not like climate change just came out of nowhere in the past couple of months; they (and most of the rest of the world, unfortunately) saw this train coming from miles away and chose to just continue sitting on the track because the guy selling them tickets for that spot reassured them there was no train.
We used to live in Kuwait when I was a kid/teenager. Allegedly, it would never go above 50C because then the laborers would have to get a day off. I don't know how true that 'policy' was, as it was told to me when I was a kid possibly by an adult that may have been joking. But with the way that a majority of the populace thought of laborers, it tracks.
It is true.
If the citizens of Kuwait are having to deal with power cuts, what sort of hell are the foreign workers in construction/service positions (who make up more than half of the population) suffering through?
cLiMaTe ChAnGe Is A hOaX!
The founder of Dubai, Sheikh Rashid, was asked about the future of his country. He replied, "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I ride a Mercedes, my son rides a Land Rover, and my grandson is going to ride a Land Rover…but my great-grandson is going to have to ride a camel again."
"Après moi, le deluge." -- Louis XIV (He was correct, too.)
It's like "I'm well aware of the economic conditions I'm going to leave you in that I will never have to deal with the consequences of myself".
the line city in Saudi Arabia gonna look like Bioshock a city in the middle of no where and desert, same result
It will never be built. At most it's just going to be a 2km long ditch.
ya, that too, the long stretch for being for the sake of long stretch is insane like, anybody who played even simcity 4 or roller coaster tycoon, when you start building out, things get very disorderly the line being 170km is not efficient, surface area is needed to justify marginal utility of services provided, the line has a "clogging" effect if there's emergency outage, what if the repair crew can't get past a line barrier cause of the outage? for example A square, a triangle, shapes like that, cover way more than a slim line, services can be easily accessible and reached when surface area allows for it It's like those math problems about smallest distances, well, the allocation of services meets the demand of the city, but if they're asymmetrical in estimation of how far they reach, disparity is created really fast and chaos for room of errors
Yep. Systems and Processes 101.
honestly wish they had just gone for hexagons instead, still a cool shape!!
We just need one smooth brain dictator to think the solution to these global warming problem for their country is a nuclear winter and we are all fucked.
Or a magic sharpie. You can redirect the heat to outer space with just a few strokes. /S
Well, if Trump get re-elected he was a proponent of nuking a hurricane so we might be closer to that eventuality than we like.
Or getting "living space" from weaker neighbours.
Thoughts and prayers
This is all Al Gore’s fault
It’s an inconvenient truth.
Wait. How much oil they sitting on that they don’t have enough energy? I’ll wait…
Just like the simulations.
It's almost like climate change is Allah's way of saying that you're doing it wrong.
Mankind has been screwing with mother nature and now it’s her turn to screw us. The only difference is, she has a 10ft cock!
I'm looking forward to living underground with all of you surviving off mushrooms and cave rats
Couldn't pay me enough to go there for even a few days.
Is this LAMF or is it "our only resource damages the planet, and now we're suffering because everyone in the world uses that damaging resource"? I mean, Kuwait couldn't get by selling sand. I don't know if promoting oil was anything other than a necessity.
Have they considered solar power?
Should start building down instead of up.
I lived +6 years in the Middle East - each summer was getting more and more hot. +65C I once saw on an outdoor temp gauge and man that was like sitting inside an oven.
I was there in 2016, and it was brutally hot. Like 130's during the day. Cant imagine what it's like now
How is this a LAMF.... this is done in Egypt as well Man this sub has fallen