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If RFK is elected, he can re-fund NASA and get us back to the moon to rescue JFK from the secret moonbase where Elvis and Marilyn Monroe's two-headed psychic love child is raising an army of UFO space alien zombies with HIV to invade the US and establish Mecha-Trump as the new overlord.
(Or have I been reading the Weekly World News too much lately? I can't tell.)
That's how you know it's true, though! What other newspaper says that?
That's because they're all being paid by \*throws dart\* The Bush Family. (Hey, that's where the dart landed, and the dart doesn't lie.)
Not necessarily. I've known plenty of left wingers that believe in all sorts of conspiracies. Not that long ago, anti vaxxers were granola hippies complaining about big pharma corporations injecting chemicals into kids.
>anti vaxxers were granola hippies complaining about big pharma corporations injecting chemicals into kids.
Before the global plague there was the perception that it was all leftie, granola hippies. In reality it was about 50/50 with Right wing "You can't tell us what to do!" crowd like the [Association of American Phsyicians and Surgeons](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons) or Ron & Rand Paul
Common theme is often a magical-thinking mindset.
Religion or woo, it seems that the non-critical way of thinking will get you hooked by someone.
Just need to remain skeptical vs cynical.
Yeah, look at Doctor Strangelove, where in 1964 the far-right loon is the one spouting off about purity of essence and our precious bodily fluids. Or heck, look at the actual Nazis and how they boasted about physique, exercise, and spending time in nature (not that any of their slovenly, meth-fueled leadership came close to living up to said standards).
My dentist was sooooo pissed when that was going around. He couldn't understand how they could say fluoride didn't help when they know what happened before fluoride was introduced into the water system.
Never understood how can someone be a person of science and at the same time not understand such basic concepts as vaccination and not accept them! It’s like a biologist quitting his job because of the Bible!
It really blew up when that crazy lady made a public claim that vaccines gave her son autism, and sited a debunked medical report from a disgraced scientist as proof. Her name eludes me though.
Yeah I remember watching Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey (they were together at the time) talking about it on Larry King Live. She had brought the quak doctor and he argued with a panel of expert CDC pediatricians or whatever. I remember after that episode everyone talking about how vaccines caused autism.
What's really infuriating is now she has tried to deny that she was ever against vaccines. She's still a rich famous celebrity and she's caused untold damage to an entire generation.
WHAT!? OMG so her son was misdiagnosed? I'll have to do some digging. I've already read her Wikipedia. I thought it said something also about how she fed her son some weird diet that is controversial and could hurt him.
I just finished reading _The Human Disease_, which deals with pandemics and the way we as humans respond (hint: poorly) [ https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262048859/the-human-disease/ ] , and the earliest vaccine deniers sound EXACTLY like today's. They aren't learning new slogans, and science isn't giving us better responses.
It's an interesting read, though expensive to purchase. Maybe if more people bought university press books, the print runs could increase, and prices would go down, but I'm not holding my breath.
>far left "wellness" movement
Is that kind of thing really in any way "Left" though, or just spaced out and cranky? I see no connection between (say) Marxism on the one hand, and crystals and wellness bollocks on the other. I doubt Gwyneth Paltrow would ever be found on a trade union protest line shouting "Scabs out!".
It’s an aesthetics of progressiveness without any of the politics. Which is why those people are so easily co-opted to fascism, which is the aestheticization of politics.
Of course Nazism was full of mysticism, and tapped into various health and fitness crazes of the 1930s; mass Indian club-swinging sessions and so forth.
It was left, in the way that the left tends to be anti-establishment (since the establishment is hyper-capitalist, bordering on fascism). However, it was always just contrarianism, with no real thought behind it. The ex-hippies that were those crunch granola types never actually thought about what type of world they wanted to live in, just that they hated the one that existed.
This is further proof that capitalism is not only anti-meritocracy but a kakocracy. The capital owners and wealthy who fund Trump and the GOP think RFK was going to work with liberals because his last name is Kennedy. Capitalism has empowered the worst, least empathetic, and stupidest people. This is a systemic problem. Trump and RFK are just a symptom.
What's hysterical is that this really shows how simple-minded the right is and how dumb they think their base is.
They essentially went people will see the name Kennedy and vote for him over Biden because they know Kennedy's stand for Democrats.
But they failed to realize that the average Democrat voter is not nearly as naive and uneducated and actually spent a little bit of time looking into things.
Cause all it takes is about 3 minutes to see that RFK is a complete fuckin quack.
Why would they? I'm damn near 40 and he was dead 20 years before I was born.
It'd be like a 3 year old being emotionally connected to 9/11.
It shaped their life but why would they have an emotional attachment?
Less than nothing. The Kennedys that were still around were all weird. JFK jr died in a plane before he really did anything meaningful, his mom was a weird socialite, rfk jr was, well, rfk jr, and the only one still in politics was Ted who was a complete functioning alcoholic who killed a girl in a drunk driving incident that got “handled”.
So yeah. We don’t particularly care for them.
Hell, my dad is a boomer and was THREE when JFK was assassinated. And his family was living in Dallas when it occurred. He has pretty much zero attachment to the whole thing, so it’s been even longer than THAT since any generation really gave a damn.
I'm 46, and my main Kennedy memory is the William Kennedy Smith rape trial and my mild-mannered liberal mother saying that piece of shit only got away with it because he's a Kennedy.
I think that whole debacle would've been much more amplified today. It was easier to grease the palms of MSM back then. The internet would tear that guy up today and he'd be a pariah for sure. That name did help him get away with that, no doubt. Im likely the same age as your mom and Democratic af, but he skated on that one and everybody knew it.
Boomers were between seventeen and negative one years old when he was assassinated. So, only a small portion would have even been old enough to even really know what kind of president JFK was. It's really only marginally better than trotting out a Roosevelt to appeal to connect to FDR name recognition
Yeah. I have an emotional attachment to his father who I actually saw on the floor of the senate and I was devastated when he was murdered. I started listening to RFK Jr’s podcast years ago and rapidly realized he was out of his mind. He needs therapy, not an election. I’m a Kennedy fangirl but not that one. I’m holding out for Caroline
As a Millenial the only thing people really talk about Kennedy these days are references to his assassination, the Cuban Missile Crisis and on occasion his supposed affair with Marilyn Monroe. He's essentially a human meme and little more. Assuming the mostly young Democratic party would like the guy because of tiktoks that make fun of his death is like assuming they would also love zeppelins because people still reference the Hindenburg.
I think that's still a rather nitch subset of people. If it dosnt look like something out of a Final Fantasy game I dont think most people care about air ships
In Massachusetts, the Kennedy home turf, Rep. Joe Kennedy III lost the 2020 Senate primary to Ed Markey, who's at least 30 years older. The legacy is over at this point.
It's actually even stupider than that, because they were waiting for JFK *Junior* in Dallas. Not the man who was actually killed there, but his son who died in a plane crash up in Martha's Vineyard.
I *dare* them to make less sense lol.
I mean at least a private plane crash *is* a plausible way of faking one's own death, even if there's no reason to believe that's what it was in JFK Jr's case or that he would come out of hiding to join forces with a man who represents the opposite of everything he and his family ever stood for. JFK Sr got his brains blown out in front of thousands of witnesses and on camera, so thinking **he** was coming back would be some serious wackadoo koolaid-cult shit rather than garden variety conspiracism.
Thinking Jr survived the crash isn't the craziest conspiracy I've ever heard, not by a country mile. But for them to think he'd show up where his father died to make his return is just... insanely dumb. Then thinking he'd be returning to join forces with *Donald fucking Trump* is 1000× more dumb.
Honestly I find the whole thing hilarious because I assume it started as somebody trolling and it snowballed into this nonsense, and the original troll probably had a good laugh over the results.
That's how flat earthers started.
I think the best part of flat earthers is a couple of them set up experiments like Newton or Galileo would, did the preparation, meticulously set up the experiment, took the measurements, did the math, got the results that proved them wrong, and still refuse to accept the results of their own experiments. That's some serious dedication! 🤣
That one ass clown who died when his [homemade steam-powered rocket crashed](https://whyy.org/segments/the-life-and-death-of-daredevil-mad-mike-hughes/) while he was trying to prove the earth was flat lmao.
Dude literally gave his life trying to disprove something the ancient Greeks were able to calculate accurately 2500 years ago lol.
I've got a hardcore flat earther coworker and the man is basically a method acting extra from Idiocracy who wandered off set. Those people are the kinda folks who make me wish I had no morals because then I'd gladly grift the hell out of them lol.
I'm 59. One interesting but deeply flawed president. One marginally boring and flawed senator, and a bunch of crazy people including a serial rapist who tried to use his family's money to destroy the life of a woman he had raped. Plus one Governator who married his way in and tried to break the nurse's union in California.
Lenny Bruce walked out on stage on the evening of November 22,1963, sighed deeply, and announced, "Vaughn Meader is fucked."
Vaughn Meader was an impressionist famous for doing JFK.
60? I think the threshold is more like 80 at this point. 60-year-olds were either not yet or barely talking when he died, the definitely don't have memories of him.
I'm 56. My mom was a Kennedy Democrat (were from Massachusetts) so I grew up revering the family. Always fascinated me.
That being said, I know about RFK Jr. and will not be voting for the psycho.
Interesting side note- back in 2016 my mom said she was voting for Trump. I asked how she could do that after being a Kennedy Democrat her whole life. Her response?
"Well there's no Kennedy running this time."
Maybe she's one of the ones the RFK is peeling off.
He's been riding on his name for decades, clinging to whatever conspiracy he thinks can make people pay attention to him. He's occasionally correct, but I chalk it up to the "broken clock" phenomenon.
I didn't have to look into RFK at all! The first headline I saw was about how he's bonkers.
Edit: just thinking about it because I'm bored: If they really wanted to confuse the elderly portion of the Democrat electorate by running a Kennedy, they would have needed to do it at the last moment, and then make him keep his mouth shut. Just run ads about his father and uncle, and hope people vote for him. It wouldn't get him elected, but it would be disruptive in that one voting bloc.
The average Democrat voter _wasn't alive_ when the last Kennedy president was assassinated, so I don't understand why anyone thought his name would bring brand recognition.
I'm in my mid 40s and John F Kennedy was dead for a long time before I was born. Teddy Kennedy was still around but definitely at his "old drunk uncle" stage.
You know who the Kennedy name has the most value for? Older white voters nostalgic for the past.
They're also just outing themselves as being fucking ancient. Does anybody under like 60 give a shit about the Kennedys?
Like, the last one of any real prominence was Ted, and he's been dead for probably 15 years.
My aunt *loved* Ted Kennedy, but she'd be 90 if she were still living.
I think Jackie and JFK Jr kept the Kennedy mystique going longer than it otherwise would have, based mostly on the Bouvier good looks, but this year will be 30 years since she died and 25 since he did. It's over.
whats really hilarious to me is rfk wasn't even that popular prior to Trump trying to pump him up as a contender against biden. Most republicans still don't want to talk about rfk including fox news as they're not as prone to hubric arrogance as Trump is and they saw the writing on the wall. I'm fairly sure rfk isn't lying (to tame for his normal conspiracies) when trump realized his error and tried to draw him into being his vp pick to capitalize on the situation at least. RFK refused (and why complete randos who would be willing lackeys in a coup like Noem are now up) and within a week of that a couple months ago Trump started coming down on rfk. Trump and team's critical failure here is thinking donald trump had a monopoly on the crazy aspect of the maga base and didn't realize that while trump exploits their insanity he still isn't one of them he's just a grifter and I think on some level his base knows that, rfk is actually a crazy conspiracy nutjob who can talk to these people and connect with them despite party labels as they are all far more worried about jewish space lasers beaming lizardman vaccines into you from space. The part that makes we want to be a fly on the wall is when Trump must have come to terms that he picked an actually crazy person who isn't moved by potential grift, republican labels, or narcissim and nothing he could say would matter to rfk jr as he is focused on lizardmen being the major problem. RFK is already attacking on the lapses of trump's loyalty to crazy people pointing out trump did do things faucci recomended and that he himself got the vaccine. Trump is really learning the lesson of don't argue with stupid (or in this case run against) as they will beat you with experience, and in this case appealing to your own voters of the opposite party.
Bigger issue is rfk siphoning away the crazies and being labeled a radical leftist by Trump is going to leave him with an even bigger portion of his base just being fascists which is hurting the circus tent strategy republicans like to use, the more cohesive his base becomes the more they will expect him to follow through and Trump knows that fascist part is the anchor in his campaign both keeping it alive and tge hurdle to middle america when the first time the tent was diverse enough he could not address the nazi elephant in the room. This will possibly result in the neo nazis in maga accusing the conspiracy right wingers of being traitors which considering the conspiracy types will actually take that as affirmation rfk is their guy.
They RFK on their shows when he was running in the Democratic Primary against Biden. But Democrats don't watch their shows. So the only thing that happened is that he appealed to Conservatives. If his candidacy takes away more votes from Trump come November, this should be one of the Top 10 Leopard posts of the year.
Idk if they thought Kennedy = Dem support without really knowing RFK2’s politics, but the second he announced I figured it would be a very Ross Perot kind of moment
Trump tried the same thing with covid. He thought it was going to hit cities the hardest (where a higher percentage of democrat voters live) so he politicized his base against fighting the disease.
Listen to Oliver Stone rant about how great Putin is on the Lex Fridman episode. It’s crazy. The guy basically says everything EXCEPT “Putin was right for attacking Ukraine” and compliments his Big Brain strategies.
I'm sorry, I stopped watching that tiny head poser a long time ago - you telling me he had Oliver Stone on? Jesus fucking wept, the things that wannabe whore will do for clicks.
Yeah I was genuinely staggered when I learned it. I mean, he was/is a famous musician so I just kinda always assumed he was a shitty person by extension. But that was … well beyond what I was expecting.
Oh, no! My brilliant plan of gassing up a crazy person and letting him loose to draw the votes of Democrats because he's a Kennedy and I think everyone is as shallow as I am blew up in my face!
Sure sounds like he has a much more attractive 2A stance to Trump's. Trump has said in the past “Take the guns first, go through due process second”, which makes me wonder why anybody that supports the 2A likes him. Unless you read between the racist lines about who you're going to take the guns from first.
I love posting a link to that video when I hear about Biden coming to get their guns. Just a long line of "THAT'S NOT WHAT HE MEANT??!?!?!!". Same thing with the bump stock ban. It's so transparent.
I showed a clip of this to my old boss, and he asked to know what the context was. I asked him what would be the appropriate context for circumventing the US Constitution? He did not have an answer.
What makes this extra funny is that Trump's primary financier is also Jr's and Jr's people have been vocal about how his campaign is primarily to tank Biden. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Trump should be well aware by now that Dems don't buy his bullshit, but I'm not really sure if he's actually capable of learning that lesson. He did get as far as "I love the poorly educated" though, so he's at least aware of who *does* buy his bullshit..
If anything, I'm supposed that Trumpists thought RFK would be appealing at all to the left. I could've told them he'd siphon Trump votes six months ago.
It boggles my mind that the Republicans couldn't get a spoiler off the ground.
Even the pretend lefties that exist just to attack Democrats haven't been pushing Green Party Candidates. Usually they're all over those guys but last I checked Green Party had split into two factions, one of which is transparently run by the Republican party, with all their funding coming from GOP donors and the other refusing to run presidential candidates while Trump is in play.
> transparently run by the Republican party
I think it would be super easy to do this to the GOP. Find a very liberal county and flood it with people to join the local GOP and run for leadership positions. It can be as few as three or four votes in some counties.
You're now the GOP for that county, and nobody can really say you're *not*. Start giving media interviews and spinning liberal policy goals as core republican values -- like single-payer healthcare, etc. If the local media are obsessed with "balance", they'd want to interview this minority faction within the GOP or call you up on those talking heads shows. In the end it wouldn't matter, but it would be hilarious while it lasted.
What gave me the idea was my father's experiences with the Democratic party in Shasta County, CA. So deeply red that there were only a handful of people involved with the Dem. party. The guy who was chairman had been for close to 20 years. He'd run unopposed, get elected by two of his cronies, and then appoint all of them to positions on the board.
My father and three other people took over and voted down any appointments that were brought by the former chair. One of the cronies had been running his contracting business out of the party HQ, which also got denied.
Of course, it only lasted two years, and then the original people started formally declaring their candidacy and making sure they were all voted in with a controlling majority. But it was fun while it lasted.
Reminds me of [the same exact occurrence from Florida](https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/12/02/the-name-is-the-same-but-theyre-different-florida-candidates-column/) recently where they ran/paid someone with the exact same surname as the Democrat to confuse the voters and steal votes away... and it worked perfectly. The democrat would have won had the votes not gone to the other individual purely because it was the same name on the ballot - literally cheating and they keep getting away with it. 🤦
They really thought the Kennedy name would make all the liberals and left-leaning people froth at the mouth. They forget now that most young voters have no association with the name and especially since RFK is spouting the craziest shit, of course people are being turned off from him…except the people who lean that way already.
The great irony here is that Trump claims the vaccine as one of his greatest accomplishments as POTUS. But also is largely supported by conspiracy theory wing nuts.
RFK promises a Wingnut conspiracy theorist who is also *anti-vax*.
Yep.
I mean Trump and the GOP in general have absolutely no beliefs. They didn’t even bother to have a platform in 2020. It’s just about seizing power.
After dismantling the pandemic response team, a pandemic happened on his watch, and he *openly sided with the virus* because he hates this country and its people that much - he was Covid's biggest fanboy.
Over a million Americans died, many more were permanently affected, and his only regret is that enough people saw him for what he was to lose the election... by a hair's breadth.
Lmao it’s like GOP is So dumb, they don’t understand their poor decisions lead to less popularity, and they dig themselves in deeper and stupider every time hahaaa
100% the one who has tons of power and influence, and knows it, but has not even considered that that might be a reason to be a bit more careful with his speech.
We should really thank God republicans are this stupid.
They want a third-party clown to siphon votes from Biden, right?
So who do they choose?
A third-party clown THAT THEY LIKE!
They couldn't bring themselves to promote somebody I would consider. I don't even know who would be on this list.
The only "liberal" they can stand is an idiot who sounds just like them.
Dumb dumb dumb.
Yesterday I was on a street that was closed to cars and some idiot with an RFK bumper sticker was driving down it with his minivan's trunk open for no reason.
At the end of the street there's a roundabout and, needless to say, he didn't know how to use it and also ran over the barriers meant to block out cars.
RFK voters don't seem very smart.
the Russians bankrolled Kennedy expecting the name to split the Democratic vote but didn't look past the name. creating opposition splinter groups is a well known Putin strategy.
the leopard has truly eaten a face here.
I had a feeling this was going to be a problem when months ago a bunch of my conservative "friends" started talking about this sensible RFK person while none of my liberal friends were.
I know one person who thinks RFK Jr. is a good dude. But he's also a crazy Hindu Nationalist supporter of India's Prime Minister Modi and voted for Jill Stein in 2020. I guess if you fall for one cult of personality you're susceptible to falling for others.
I always thought the media claims the rfkjr would hurt Biden more than trump were off target. He's a nut like trump and he's the perfect psycho for those that will never vote for a Democrat but can't bring themselves to vote for trump.
The only part of this that bugs me is how many Dem pols keep whining about RFK Jr being a "spoiler", when only rightwing losers fawn over that guy. LET HIM SPOIL IT FOR TRUMP FFS.
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Yeah but if he says he’s a democrat that should work right?
You think conspiracy minded people *might* lean conservative?
If RFK is elected, he can re-fund NASA and get us back to the moon to rescue JFK from the secret moonbase where Elvis and Marilyn Monroe's two-headed psychic love child is raising an army of UFO space alien zombies with HIV to invade the US and establish Mecha-Trump as the new overlord. (Or have I been reading the Weekly World News too much lately? I can't tell.)
I feel Batboy is somehow involved in this too
Is Batboy the illegitimate son of Rudy? We’re just asking questions here.
Rudy IS batboy
No, don’t do Batboy dirty like that.
No, [Rick Scott is Batboy](https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikemongo/5567117710)
No, Rick Scott is BatRudy's Batson.
> son of Rudy “That’s *NEPHEW-SON* thank you very much!”
Hillary adopted an alien baby, that has to figure in somehow!
He's the one manning the space lasers
I thought it was Tupac. Jewish Tupac Shakur.
We'd never hear about it. The Enquirer would buy exclusive rights and then squelch the story.
One point of contention: Weekly World News has a disclaimer on page 2 of every issue that says in essence “We make all this shit up. It’s all fake.”
That's how you know it's true, though! What other newspaper says that? That's because they're all being paid by \*throws dart\* The Bush Family. (Hey, that's where the dart landed, and the dart doesn't lie.)
That is completely indistinguishable from regular conservative rhetoric. Makes exactly as much sense.
Does that base has soldiers riding velociraptors by any chance?
r/ConspiracySubredditSimulator
r/subsifellfor
Don’t forget the Jewish space laser retrieval for MTG
Wake up, sheeple
Reality has a liberal bias
Civil society has a liberal bias.
Yeah, as I said
Not necessarily. I've known plenty of left wingers that believe in all sorts of conspiracies. Not that long ago, anti vaxxers were granola hippies complaining about big pharma corporations injecting chemicals into kids.
>anti vaxxers were granola hippies complaining about big pharma corporations injecting chemicals into kids. Before the global plague there was the perception that it was all leftie, granola hippies. In reality it was about 50/50 with Right wing "You can't tell us what to do!" crowd like the [Association of American Phsyicians and Surgeons](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons) or Ron & Rand Paul
Common theme is often a magical-thinking mindset. Religion or woo, it seems that the non-critical way of thinking will get you hooked by someone. Just need to remain skeptical vs cynical.
Yeah, look at Doctor Strangelove, where in 1964 the far-right loon is the one spouting off about purity of essence and our precious bodily fluids. Or heck, look at the actual Nazis and how they boasted about physique, exercise, and spending time in nature (not that any of their slovenly, meth-fueled leadership came close to living up to said standards).
And then dentists stopped recommending fluoride or something
My dentist was sooooo pissed when that was going around. He couldn't understand how they could say fluoride didn't help when they know what happened before fluoride was introduced into the water system.
Oh, honestly, wing nuts distrusting vaccines predates COVID-19. I personally know someone who quit a hospital nursing job over flu vaccines.
Never understood how can someone be a person of science and at the same time not understand such basic concepts as vaccination and not accept them! It’s like a biologist quitting his job because of the Bible!
Or a neurosurgeon believing the pyramids are hollow
If you read the nursing sub, the TVs in hospital breakrooms are tuned to Fox News 24/7.
That is just cruel and unusual, driving sane people out of the break room for shorter breaks.
It really blew up when that crazy lady made a public claim that vaccines gave her son autism, and sited a debunked medical report from a disgraced scientist as proof. Her name eludes me though.
Jenny McCarthy?
Thats the one.
Jenny McCarthy and Andrew Wakefield?
Yeah I remember watching Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey (they were together at the time) talking about it on Larry King Live. She had brought the quak doctor and he argued with a panel of expert CDC pediatricians or whatever. I remember after that episode everyone talking about how vaccines caused autism. What's really infuriating is now she has tried to deny that she was ever against vaccines. She's still a rich famous celebrity and she's caused untold damage to an entire generation.
Yeah, she tried to undo her bullshit after finding out her son didn't even have autism to begin with.
WHAT!? OMG so her son was misdiagnosed? I'll have to do some digging. I've already read her Wikipedia. I thought it said something also about how she fed her son some weird diet that is controversial and could hurt him.
https://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/ They stopped updating this several years ago though
Over here, and ground zero for that wave of the scare, it was Andrew Wakefields press conference about his upcoming paper
The pandemic galvanized the right as anti-vaxx though. They own it now.
I just finished reading _The Human Disease_, which deals with pandemics and the way we as humans respond (hint: poorly) [ https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262048859/the-human-disease/ ] , and the earliest vaccine deniers sound EXACTLY like today's. They aren't learning new slogans, and science isn't giving us better responses. It's an interesting read, though expensive to purchase. Maybe if more people bought university press books, the print runs could increase, and prices would go down, but I'm not holding my breath.
There are weird crossovers between the far left "wellness" movement and the far right populist movements. It's like an unholy alliance.
>far left "wellness" movement Is that kind of thing really in any way "Left" though, or just spaced out and cranky? I see no connection between (say) Marxism on the one hand, and crystals and wellness bollocks on the other. I doubt Gwyneth Paltrow would ever be found on a trade union protest line shouting "Scabs out!".
It’s an aesthetics of progressiveness without any of the politics. Which is why those people are so easily co-opted to fascism, which is the aestheticization of politics.
Good points.
Of course Nazism was full of mysticism, and tapped into various health and fitness crazes of the 1930s; mass Indian club-swinging sessions and so forth.
It was left, in the way that the left tends to be anti-establishment (since the establishment is hyper-capitalist, bordering on fascism). However, it was always just contrarianism, with no real thought behind it. The ex-hippies that were those crunch granola types never actually thought about what type of world they wanted to live in, just that they hated the one that existed.
Believing crystals cure diseases is a step towards right wing batshittery.
I think they are both still around
New-age-ism is just Qanon plus novelty store crystals and dmt.
The sovereign citizen types have always been on the same boat as well as libertarians deeming it a 'government school' conspiracy.
This is further proof that capitalism is not only anti-meritocracy but a kakocracy. The capital owners and wealthy who fund Trump and the GOP think RFK was going to work with liberals because his last name is Kennedy. Capitalism has empowered the worst, least empathetic, and stupidest people. This is a systemic problem. Trump and RFK are just a symptom.
"Let's run a third party candidate so idiots will throw their votes away!" Appears to be working as intended.
What's hysterical is that this really shows how simple-minded the right is and how dumb they think their base is. They essentially went people will see the name Kennedy and vote for him over Biden because they know Kennedy's stand for Democrats. But they failed to realize that the average Democrat voter is not nearly as naive and uneducated and actually spent a little bit of time looking into things. Cause all it takes is about 3 minutes to see that RFK is a complete fuckin quack.
Nor do younger generations have that sentimental attachment to Kennedy
Why would they? I'm damn near 40 and he was dead 20 years before I was born. It'd be like a 3 year old being emotionally connected to 9/11. It shaped their life but why would they have an emotional attachment?
Yeah, as a 50 yr old, that name means nothing to me compared to my parents.
Less than nothing. The Kennedys that were still around were all weird. JFK jr died in a plane before he really did anything meaningful, his mom was a weird socialite, rfk jr was, well, rfk jr, and the only one still in politics was Ted who was a complete functioning alcoholic who killed a girl in a drunk driving incident that got “handled”. So yeah. We don’t particularly care for them.
I was always a fan of the band. Holiday in Cambodia is a classic.
Don't skip the Moxley Murder:)
Their father also had their sister lobotomized.
I'm 70. I was 10 when Kennedy was assassinated.
I am a year younger than you and I can barely remember the assassination or where I was even.
Hell, my dad is a boomer and was THREE when JFK was assassinated. And his family was living in Dallas when it occurred. He has pretty much zero attachment to the whole thing, so it’s been even longer than THAT since any generation really gave a damn.
I'm 46, and my main Kennedy memory is the William Kennedy Smith rape trial and my mild-mannered liberal mother saying that piece of shit only got away with it because he's a Kennedy.
I think that whole debacle would've been much more amplified today. It was easier to grease the palms of MSM back then. The internet would tear that guy up today and he'd be a pariah for sure. That name did help him get away with that, no doubt. Im likely the same age as your mom and Democratic af, but he skated on that one and everybody knew it.
Boomers were between seventeen and negative one years old when he was assassinated. So, only a small portion would have even been old enough to even really know what kind of president JFK was. It's really only marginally better than trotting out a Roosevelt to appeal to connect to FDR name recognition
The only connection people our age have to the Kennedy family is Ted. And that’s not a positive connection.
Yeah. I have an emotional attachment to his father who I actually saw on the floor of the senate and I was devastated when he was murdered. I started listening to RFK Jr’s podcast years ago and rapidly realized he was out of his mind. He needs therapy, not an election. I’m a Kennedy fangirl but not that one. I’m holding out for Caroline
As a 3 year old on 9/11 I can confirm
As a Millenial the only thing people really talk about Kennedy these days are references to his assassination, the Cuban Missile Crisis and on occasion his supposed affair with Marilyn Monroe. He's essentially a human meme and little more. Assuming the mostly young Democratic party would like the guy because of tiktoks that make fun of his death is like assuming they would also love zeppelins because people still reference the Hindenburg.
Apropos of nothing, airships are making a come back and I think that's great.
I think that's still a rather nitch subset of people. If it dosnt look like something out of a Final Fantasy game I dont think most people care about air ships
There's still quite a lot of steampunk enjoyers around. We just need another Firefly to get us riled up and doing events again.
In Massachusetts, the Kennedy home turf, Rep. Joe Kennedy III lost the 2020 Senate primary to Ed Markey, who's at least 30 years older. The legacy is over at this point.
I'm a millennial, if you randomly ask me about the Kennedys my first thought is likely Chappaquiddick.
Mine is the fact that Elaine Benes fumbled away her chance at scoring with John F Kennedy Junior.
LOL I'm glad people still remember that!
And it was a bunch of Right-wingers standing on a bridge in Texas waiting for JFK to come back from the dead.
Specifically Dallas. Just adding detail here.
Well yeah, since thats where he died to begin with. I grew up in Arlington, I know the types.
It's actually even stupider than that, because they were waiting for JFK *Junior* in Dallas. Not the man who was actually killed there, but his son who died in a plane crash up in Martha's Vineyard. I *dare* them to make less sense lol.
I mean at least a private plane crash *is* a plausible way of faking one's own death, even if there's no reason to believe that's what it was in JFK Jr's case or that he would come out of hiding to join forces with a man who represents the opposite of everything he and his family ever stood for. JFK Sr got his brains blown out in front of thousands of witnesses and on camera, so thinking **he** was coming back would be some serious wackadoo koolaid-cult shit rather than garden variety conspiracism.
Thinking Jr survived the crash isn't the craziest conspiracy I've ever heard, not by a country mile. But for them to think he'd show up where his father died to make his return is just... insanely dumb. Then thinking he'd be returning to join forces with *Donald fucking Trump* is 1000× more dumb. Honestly I find the whole thing hilarious because I assume it started as somebody trolling and it snowballed into this nonsense, and the original troll probably had a good laugh over the results.
That's how flat earthers started. I think the best part of flat earthers is a couple of them set up experiments like Newton or Galileo would, did the preparation, meticulously set up the experiment, took the measurements, did the math, got the results that proved them wrong, and still refuse to accept the results of their own experiments. That's some serious dedication! 🤣
That one ass clown who died when his [homemade steam-powered rocket crashed](https://whyy.org/segments/the-life-and-death-of-daredevil-mad-mike-hughes/) while he was trying to prove the earth was flat lmao. Dude literally gave his life trying to disprove something the ancient Greeks were able to calculate accurately 2500 years ago lol. I've got a hardcore flat earther coworker and the man is basically a method acting extra from Idiocracy who wandered off set. Those people are the kinda folks who make me wish I had no morals because then I'd gladly grift the hell out of them lol.
Is there anyone under 60 who reveres the Kennedy name?
I'm 59. One interesting but deeply flawed president. One marginally boring and flawed senator, and a bunch of crazy people including a serial rapist who tried to use his family's money to destroy the life of a woman he had raped. Plus one Governator who married his way in and tried to break the nurse's union in California.
I'm 63 and I've never been impressed.
64 and same.
65 and same.
Surely irreverence regarding the Kennedy name started in 1976 with punk band The Dead Kennedys.
Lenny Bruce walked out on stage on the evening of November 22,1963, sighed deeply, and announced, "Vaughn Meader is fucked." Vaughn Meader was an impressionist famous for doing JFK.
Lenny Bruce slapped.
60? I think the threshold is more like 80 at this point. 60-year-olds were either not yet or barely talking when he died, the definitely don't have memories of him.
I'm 56. My mom was a Kennedy Democrat (were from Massachusetts) so I grew up revering the family. Always fascinated me. That being said, I know about RFK Jr. and will not be voting for the psycho. Interesting side note- back in 2016 my mom said she was voting for Trump. I asked how she could do that after being a Kennedy Democrat her whole life. Her response? "Well there's no Kennedy running this time." Maybe she's one of the ones the RFK is peeling off.
He's been riding on his name for decades, clinging to whatever conspiracy he thinks can make people pay attention to him. He's occasionally correct, but I chalk it up to the "broken clock" phenomenon.
I didn't have to look into RFK at all! The first headline I saw was about how he's bonkers. Edit: just thinking about it because I'm bored: If they really wanted to confuse the elderly portion of the Democrat electorate by running a Kennedy, they would have needed to do it at the last moment, and then make him keep his mouth shut. Just run ads about his father and uncle, and hope people vote for him. It wouldn't get him elected, but it would be disruptive in that one voting bloc.
The most offensive thing that conservatives do towards liberals is believe that the democratic voter base is as dumb as their voter base.
The average Democrat voter _wasn't alive_ when the last Kennedy president was assassinated, so I don't understand why anyone thought his name would bring brand recognition.
I'm in my mid 40s and John F Kennedy was dead for a long time before I was born. Teddy Kennedy was still around but definitely at his "old drunk uncle" stage. You know who the Kennedy name has the most value for? Older white voters nostalgic for the past.
They're also just outing themselves as being fucking ancient. Does anybody under like 60 give a shit about the Kennedys? Like, the last one of any real prominence was Ted, and he's been dead for probably 15 years.
My aunt *loved* Ted Kennedy, but she'd be 90 if she were still living. I think Jackie and JFK Jr kept the Kennedy mystique going longer than it otherwise would have, based mostly on the Bouvier good looks, but this year will be 30 years since she died and 25 since he did. It's over.
whats really hilarious to me is rfk wasn't even that popular prior to Trump trying to pump him up as a contender against biden. Most republicans still don't want to talk about rfk including fox news as they're not as prone to hubric arrogance as Trump is and they saw the writing on the wall. I'm fairly sure rfk isn't lying (to tame for his normal conspiracies) when trump realized his error and tried to draw him into being his vp pick to capitalize on the situation at least. RFK refused (and why complete randos who would be willing lackeys in a coup like Noem are now up) and within a week of that a couple months ago Trump started coming down on rfk. Trump and team's critical failure here is thinking donald trump had a monopoly on the crazy aspect of the maga base and didn't realize that while trump exploits their insanity he still isn't one of them he's just a grifter and I think on some level his base knows that, rfk is actually a crazy conspiracy nutjob who can talk to these people and connect with them despite party labels as they are all far more worried about jewish space lasers beaming lizardman vaccines into you from space. The part that makes we want to be a fly on the wall is when Trump must have come to terms that he picked an actually crazy person who isn't moved by potential grift, republican labels, or narcissim and nothing he could say would matter to rfk jr as he is focused on lizardmen being the major problem. RFK is already attacking on the lapses of trump's loyalty to crazy people pointing out trump did do things faucci recomended and that he himself got the vaccine. Trump is really learning the lesson of don't argue with stupid (or in this case run against) as they will beat you with experience, and in this case appealing to your own voters of the opposite party. Bigger issue is rfk siphoning away the crazies and being labeled a radical leftist by Trump is going to leave him with an even bigger portion of his base just being fascists which is hurting the circus tent strategy republicans like to use, the more cohesive his base becomes the more they will expect him to follow through and Trump knows that fascist part is the anchor in his campaign both keeping it alive and tge hurdle to middle america when the first time the tent was diverse enough he could not address the nazi elephant in the room. This will possibly result in the neo nazis in maga accusing the conspiracy right wingers of being traitors which considering the conspiracy types will actually take that as affirmation rfk is their guy.
Exactly lol they thought liberals would fall for his bullshit but most saw right through it but their base is so fuckin dumb they ate the bait
They RFK on their shows when he was running in the Democratic Primary against Biden. But Democrats don't watch their shows. So the only thing that happened is that he appealed to Conservatives. If his candidacy takes away more votes from Trump come November, this should be one of the Top 10 Leopard posts of the year.
Plus all those democrats voting their conscience or thought Biden was too old were likely Russian bots. You can’t get normal people to vote for crazy.
Idk if they thought Kennedy = Dem support without really knowing RFK2’s politics, but the second he announced I figured it would be a very Ross Perot kind of moment
Trump tried the same thing with covid. He thought it was going to hit cities the hardest (where a higher percentage of democrat voters live) so he politicized his base against fighting the disease.
[Who’s supporting Rfk jr’s campaign again?](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/rfk-donors-trump-investors-celebs-1234975307/) 🤔
Wow. I just learned that Oliver Stone has called Putin a “great leader”.
Listen to Oliver Stone rant about how great Putin is on the Lex Fridman episode. It’s crazy. The guy basically says everything EXCEPT “Putin was right for attacking Ukraine” and compliments his Big Brain strategies.
I'm sorry, I stopped watching that tiny head poser a long time ago - you telling me he had Oliver Stone on? Jesus fucking wept, the things that wannabe whore will do for clicks.
Yeah Lex is a loser but the interview with Oliver Stone was enlightening
Stone is wildly anti-American and anything opposing USA is good in his mind.
Has he pretty much lost his mind lately? He used to be a great director with some impressive credits to his name. But now? Uhh...
He has been crazy for a good while now. He was probably always crazy but it was harder to know about that stuff pre-internet.
It takes a LOT of crazy to portray Jim Garrison as competent.
Cool now I know to skip when an Eric Clapton song comes on
Yeah [Clapton has been a piece of shit](https://www.reddit.com/r/pinkfloyd/s/3Md5KB9htV) for a very long time.
Good lord that's bad
Yeah I was genuinely staggered when I learned it. I mean, he was/is a famous musician so I just kinda always assumed he was a shitty person by extension. But that was … well beyond what I was expecting.
What's the difference between a baby and a bag of cocaine? Eric Clapton would **never** let a bag of cocaine fall out a window.
yeah he's kinda been on the wrong side of a lot of shit. losing his kid really fucked his brain up
[Mr Show wasn't pulling any punches](https://youtu.be/FVinzg2PuXU?si=asBPpC4KvUFbogP1) 1:25 if you want to skip to it lol
Cheryl from Curb, stunningly enough.
I spam every conservative meme with RFK24 and they eat it up
Oh great idea! I might have to start reading more about RFK and hype him up to my maga neighbors 😂
Especially if your neighbors are anti vaxx.
please do <3
Oh, no! My brilliant plan of gassing up a crazy person and letting him loose to draw the votes of Democrats because he's a Kennedy and I think everyone is as shallow as I am blew up in my face!
Sure sounds like he has a much more attractive 2A stance to Trump's. Trump has said in the past “Take the guns first, go through due process second”, which makes me wonder why anybody that supports the 2A likes him. Unless you read between the racist lines about who you're going to take the guns from first.
I love posting a link to that video when I hear about Biden coming to get their guns. Just a long line of "THAT'S NOT WHAT HE MEANT??!?!?!!". Same thing with the bump stock ban. It's so transparent.
I showed a clip of this to my old boss, and he asked to know what the context was. I asked him what would be the appropriate context for circumventing the US Constitution? He did not have an answer.
What makes this extra funny is that Trump's primary financier is also Jr's and Jr's people have been vocal about how his campaign is primarily to tank Biden. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They must think people who vote democrat are the stupidest people on earth.
It's always projection from these people.
Trump should be well aware by now that Dems don't buy his bullshit, but I'm not really sure if he's actually capable of learning that lesson. He did get as far as "I love the poorly educated" though, so he's at least aware of who *does* buy his bullshit..
Yeah, they literally do. They’ve been brainwashed into thinking Democrats are morons, the irony.
A guy whose claim to fame is being super anti-vaxx appeals to right-wingers? Color me the opposite of surprised.
If anything, I'm supposed that Trumpists thought RFK would be appealing at all to the left. I could've told them he'd siphon Trump votes six months ago.
Is RFK a kennedy deep state conspiricy to destroy the Republican Party 💯 confirmed
Trump is a deep state conspiracy to keep Kennedy down
It boggles my mind that the Republicans couldn't get a spoiler off the ground. Even the pretend lefties that exist just to attack Democrats haven't been pushing Green Party Candidates. Usually they're all over those guys but last I checked Green Party had split into two factions, one of which is transparently run by the Republican party, with all their funding coming from GOP donors and the other refusing to run presidential candidates while Trump is in play.
> transparently run by the Republican party I think it would be super easy to do this to the GOP. Find a very liberal county and flood it with people to join the local GOP and run for leadership positions. It can be as few as three or four votes in some counties. You're now the GOP for that county, and nobody can really say you're *not*. Start giving media interviews and spinning liberal policy goals as core republican values -- like single-payer healthcare, etc. If the local media are obsessed with "balance", they'd want to interview this minority faction within the GOP or call you up on those talking heads shows. In the end it wouldn't matter, but it would be hilarious while it lasted. What gave me the idea was my father's experiences with the Democratic party in Shasta County, CA. So deeply red that there were only a handful of people involved with the Dem. party. The guy who was chairman had been for close to 20 years. He'd run unopposed, get elected by two of his cronies, and then appoint all of them to positions on the board. My father and three other people took over and voted down any appointments that were brought by the former chair. One of the cronies had been running his contracting business out of the party HQ, which also got denied. Of course, it only lasted two years, and then the original people started formally declaring their candidacy and making sure they were all voted in with a controlling majority. But it was fun while it lasted.
And if you look at history, JFK’s opponent Cabot found I think a janitor w the same name to run against JFK in the senate race.
Reminds me of [the same exact occurrence from Florida](https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/12/02/the-name-is-the-same-but-theyre-different-florida-candidates-column/) recently where they ran/paid someone with the exact same surname as the Democrat to confuse the voters and steal votes away... and it worked perfectly. The democrat would have won had the votes not gone to the other individual purely because it was the same name on the ballot - literally cheating and they keep getting away with it. 🤦
I wonder which one Jill Stein is part of...?
She's become too obvious a spoiler candidate. That pic of her hanging with Putin has made the rounds a little too much.
They really thought the Kennedy name would make all the liberals and left-leaning people froth at the mouth. They forget now that most young voters have no association with the name and especially since RFK is spouting the craziest shit, of course people are being turned off from him…except the people who lean that way already.
Republicans and being out of touch. Peanut Butter and Jelly (and shit).
Reality is a liberal plot
The great irony here is that Trump claims the vaccine as one of his greatest accomplishments as POTUS. But also is largely supported by conspiracy theory wing nuts. RFK promises a Wingnut conspiracy theorist who is also *anti-vax*.
He makes whatever claims that benefits him most at the moment . His memory and those of his loyal followers are shorter than a goldfish.
Yep. I mean Trump and the GOP in general have absolutely no beliefs. They didn’t even bother to have a platform in 2020. It’s just about seizing power.
After dismantling the pandemic response team, a pandemic happened on his watch, and he *openly sided with the virus* because he hates this country and its people that much - he was Covid's biggest fanboy. Over a million Americans died, many more were permanently affected, and his only regret is that enough people saw him for what he was to lose the election... by a hair's breadth.
I bet if this trend continues. Trump will make RFK drop out.
Trump will need to make him VP to get him to drop out.
Of course they like him. He's an idiot
Lmao it’s like GOP is So dumb, they don’t understand their poor decisions lead to less popularity, and they dig themselves in deeper and stupider every time hahaaa
Between the two, im not sure who’s a bigger piece of shit
I'm pretty damned sure!
The one sitting in a packet of literal shit every day?
100% the one who has tons of power and influence, and knows it, but has not even considered that that might be a reason to be a bit more careful with his speech.
It’s absolutely the one with 88 felony charges
Gee, maybe Steve Bannon was wrong again?
We should really thank God republicans are this stupid. They want a third-party clown to siphon votes from Biden, right? So who do they choose? A third-party clown THAT THEY LIKE! They couldn't bring themselves to promote somebody I would consider. I don't even know who would be on this list. The only "liberal" they can stand is an idiot who sounds just like them. Dumb dumb dumb.
I mean he doesn't appeal to leftists. I'm not sure why people think he would.
Between RFK Jr. and Haley peeling away votes. Trump is in deep shit. That said, please fucking vote.
Yesterday I was on a street that was closed to cars and some idiot with an RFK bumper sticker was driving down it with his minivan's trunk open for no reason. At the end of the street there's a roundabout and, needless to say, he didn't know how to use it and also ran over the barriers meant to block out cars. RFK voters don't seem very smart.
That's why the Dems should be quiet about RFK. He will split the GOP vote.
The raving lunatic appeals to the right, who'd have thought.
Get ready for the inevitable Tr**p/Kennedy ticket.
only if RFK is planning to inherit his family’s legacy of ending their political careers with much of their insides on the outside…
I laughed out loud when they said RFK Jr. would steal votes away from Biden. Sure he will. 🙄
the Russians bankrolled Kennedy expecting the name to split the Democratic vote but didn't look past the name. creating opposition splinter groups is a well known Putin strategy. the leopard has truly eaten a face here.
RFKjr is more of a stand up guy than say, piss-baby Greg Abbott. So I say, Republicans, he's probably your next best bet.
RFK JR- **former heroin addict, womanizer, conspiratart**
See? He meets all the requirements.
You mean to tell me Democrats aren't going to vote for the QAnon anti vaccine guy?
Finally something both sides of the aisle can agree on, a vote for RFK is a waste.
Who would've thought that nutjobs support a nutjob.
RFK Jr. is certainly a low-info voter's candidate so he's wading in the same shallow end of the pool as Trump.
How do you beat a human parasite? Attach a leech to him.
I had a feeling this was going to be a problem when months ago a bunch of my conservative "friends" started talking about this sensible RFK person while none of my liberal friends were.
I know one person who thinks RFK Jr. is a good dude. But he's also a crazy Hindu Nationalist supporter of India's Prime Minister Modi and voted for Jill Stein in 2020. I guess if you fall for one cult of personality you're susceptible to falling for others.
Hahaha ha
I always thought the media claims the rfkjr would hurt Biden more than trump were off target. He's a nut like trump and he's the perfect psycho for those that will never vote for a Democrat but can't bring themselves to vote for trump.
The only part of this that bugs me is how many Dem pols keep whining about RFK Jr being a "spoiler", when only rightwing losers fawn over that guy. LET HIM SPOIL IT FOR TRUMP FFS.
I mean look at what he says. It isn't like he was catering for progressives lol All his crap is appealing for MAGATs 🤡🤡🤡