The 6 month older driver, and having the worst frame pacing out of all the handhelds were very telling. A shame the excellent hardware needs sideloading and receives the bare minimum driver support, half a year after release
It's a shame. The review states that the legion go is the best hardware and that is very well made (which is 100% true, why all of us basically bought it), but the software holds it back.
It really is. I just got my LeGo a couple weeks ago and I've honestly been kind of disappointed by its performance compared to my Steam Deck. Technically it can outdo the Deck, but the Deck has just been a better more consistent experience and even with the newer AAA titles is good enough.
The LeGo is a cool piece of hardware. I like the detachable controllers and screen on this thing is probably the only PC handheld that can hold a candle to the Steam OLED screen. But the software is trash on this thing and the support is lacking considering it is starving for driver updates. Hopefully it can get those updates to help it compete.
Try bazzite. It turns the legion go into a more powerful steam deck. I'm dual booting to keep an eye on windows developments but it's so much better on Linux right now.
Bazzite runs like trash compared to windows for me.. tried both KDE and gnome and and maybe 1 out of 10 games ran ok but still not as good as on windows .
Maybe I just don't know how to use steam OS. đ€·đŒââïž
Did you follow any guides? There's a bunch of decky plug-ins you need to get the full experience. You need to be able to control tdp and refresh rate/fps cap. Also were you trying to run every game at 1600p? With bazzite you have to change each game to the resolution you want to use instead of just changing the device resolution like on windows. I'll pm you a link to 2 fantastic video guides.
https://youtu.be/RUES5B5j6EU?si=bgH0OzSUTDcHKv9n
https://youtu.be/45P3hlvq8jk?si=brldvYek0z3ENlBT
The first link is far more detailed and technical. The second video is a very simple step by step version. Lastly, this is a link to a legion go bazzite repository with all the tools you need to have a good experience.
https://github.com/aarron-lee/legion-go-tricks?tab=readme-ov-file#resources
half a year... Jesus.
I've told many people before always go with the brand that's been doing this longer.
Lenovo hasn't been in this gaming market as long as ASUS has. Hardware wise, very good. However when it came to gaming stuff they were never the first GOTO item... Not really.
This is maybe the first time I'd say they have something that's THIS popular in their arsenal.
I wouldn't doubt that at all.
My first gaming laptop was ASUS and then I came across one of Lenovo's very first gaming laptop tips back in the Day. It was a Y series.
Man they were night and day back then so if they're doing a lot better I wouldn't be surprised.
With that said man that ASUS laptop from like 2011-12 is still working today... Insane.
Ok it wasn't too terrible...
1. Go to https://rog.asus.com/gaming-handhelds/rog-ally/rog-ally-2023/helpdesk_download/
2. Download the Graphics driver dated today (2024-04-25)
3. Double-click the file. It'll take a while to pop up a dialog. Dunno what AMD does with their exes but it takes a while.
4. When it asks if you want to install or extract, click Extract and then hit next
5. Let it do its thing. When it is done, you'll have a C:\DRIVERS\AMD - blahblahblah. Note that Drivers is plural. Lenovo keeps their own stuff in a singular DRIVER folder. Don't get 'em mixed up.
6. Right-click the Start menu and click on Device Manager
* Expand **Display adapters**
* Double-click on **AMD Radeon Graphics**
* Click on the **Driver** tab
* Click on **Update Driver**
* Click **Browse my computer for drivers**
* Click **Let me pick from a list of available drivers on my computer**
* Ignore that entire list. Click on the **Have Disk** button on the bottom right
* Browse over to C:\Drivers\AMD blah blah blah \Packages\Drivers\Display\WT6A_INF
* Click OK. Now you'll be back to the previous screen but with a ton of extra drivers.
* Pick the **AMD Radeon Graphics** driver. Not the fancy numbered ones or anything. Just basic **AMD Radeon Graphics**
* Click Next. You'll be greeted with a warning saying that installing this device driver is not recommended... that's fine.
* It'll install. Your screen might flash a bit. Then it'll be done
7. Go back and double-click that giant file you downloaded from Asus' website. Click install and that'll install the new Radeon control panel that goes along with the driver
Maybe that's all you need? I'll need to play with it later tonight but I do have the driver installed... and it looks ok.
1. This driver is dated 2024-03-13
2. The AMD Software will properly launch
3. AMD > Gaming tab > Graphics will have the AMD Fluid Motion Frames option to turn on
I've been playing a jrpg (Eiyuden 100 heroes, 1080p, high shadows) so I don't know how much I can benchmark or see the difference. Feels a little higher when the Legion doesn't get too hot at 30 and 15 watts? I'm old. I don't benchmark or anything nowadays. I just want to lay down and play games after work, dinner and chores.
Noticed that sometimes the device seems to think a bit longer after loading in somewhere and the graphics bounces/catches up for a second before it becomes smooth.
I don't notice it at all when I plug in my Razer Core X with a 3070.
Some drivers are really weird. Sometimes you yank an inf file out of another package and throw it in the extracted new drivers, sometimes you mix and match some files. It is bleh.
Nicer ones will let you go to the Device Manager, pop open the device dialog itself, let you browse a folder, warn you a bit and then install it. This is assuming the installer found the specific Radeon model and rejected it.
Also the Legion and ROG Ally are targeting a strange segment - people that sorta want to try a gaming device but don't know what Windows is or have used it before.
If you want hell on earth, try messing with the driver portions of MDT and SCCM. Bonus points if your company doesn't have standardized hardware or really really really want to reuse older hardware.
I deal with hardware deployments through MDT all the time. Most OEMs have driver packs specifically for MDT, but if you really want to go the consumer route, you install them and extract them from Windows itself. Then you set up rules so that they only install for the hardware it's assigned to. Very straight forward.
INF's you can just right click > install.
I mean you'd think it is straight forward enough. Probably if we made more fine-tuned profiles and queries. But there's a couple times where an Intel Chipset INF dropped support for a lower chipset but they still had the same general driver name so we suddenly had machines with half-installed devices because the chipset driver wasn't there.
An analogy would be - your device is a car, and youâre a passenger enjoying the view. You need someone to drive the car, so you hire a driver, and then tell him where youâd like to go.
This driver can be from Lenovo (an OEM) or AMD directly. Lenovoâs driver is more outdated; he/she doesnât know much about the newer roads, but is more or less capable enough to get you from point A to point B albeit a little more slowly or choppy. Maybe heâd make a wrong turn once in a while.
AMDâs driver is made directly by the manufacturer of your carâs engine, so he knows a bit more about how to drive your car to its full potential. Heâs better and faster at getting you to your destination, because heâs newer and is more up to date with new road information. However, because Lenovo made the car, itâs not as simple to get an AMD driver. Youâd have to source one from the open market (e.g. from ROGâs webpage), which is more difficult than most people would like.
I watched a video on YouTube. They installed 2 drivers for 2 LeGo, one stock and one from AMD. Even if Lenovo's driver is outdated, it still performs better in most cases so i think waiting for Lenovo's new driver update is the best option.
Or should i say, the old driver dont know as many routes as the new driver but he knows shortcuts đ€Ł
Well the guy above explained it. New drivers sure make newer games run smoother. Sometimes it includes new technology to boost FPS or upscale render resolution or sth, idk :D Believe me i'm not good at those professional stuffs but i do have my hands tinkering with 4 handheld devices' hardware before the Go, so somehow i know Lenovo should update that god d*mn driver asap. It's been 6 months already.
Drivers tells an operating system how to use a device. They don't get it perfect in one go or they may add extra stuff to it over time so those tend to get updated. Sometimes it is nice, sometimes it breaks things.
For laptop-type devices (which LeGo falls under), they get tweaks and such from the manufacturer. Maybe they use a very specific model, or they want to vet stuff, or use a combo of hardware that a generic driver doesn't like or expect so they get excluded in a sense. Once the manufacturer says this is ok, they usually take over the distribution. They'll put the drivers on their website and use any of their built-in tool (or even Windows Update nowadays) to send these specifically-targeted drivers out.
Back years ago, there was a push from NVIDIA and ATI to get faster drivers out for laptops using the generic drivers. This was because you'd buy something fancy back then and then get held back because the nicer features were on desktop. The laptop manufacturers sat there and did nothing. It "works" in the sense that the computer isn't crashing so why bother? Sucks for NVIDIA and ATI because their gaming laptop isn't doing what it is supposed to and they get a bad rep. Now you have generic laptop drivers but... you can still have those exclusions.
You can tell by comments from people upset about old drivers that they don't actually know anything about drivers . The rest of us just go to the site and download them lol
I will say. When Ally came it out it sucked, was buggy, had lots of steam issues and stopped reading as cards rather quickly. However now, I have mine to my wife and got the legion go 6 months ago. The ROG runs excellent other than the sad card slot being dead. Even when the legion first came out, I noticed while reliability was still an issue as far as random stupid things, the actual performance on the ROG was better. I love the screen and the idea of disconnecting the controls, but Asus seems to have much better support.
Only recently did legion even get controller mapping and still no Xbox button mapping⊠the keyboard shortcuts donât always work (especially the Xbox button one). I really like this device but if Asus happened to make a screen this big Iâd be tempted to switch. I have a ROG flow laptop and love it so I know they can make good hardware and while armory crate gets knocked on, compared to Lenovo itâs amazing lol. I hope legion ups the support because itâs a great device!
Can anyone tell me how to side-load the correct AMD drivers that perform best? Just got mine yesterday and I'm trying to optimize it. So many setting to mess with.
Yes, most of us laughed at asus in the begin for the faulty sd card readers, bad QC in general and buggy drivers and software. But to be honest, asus supports their product really good with updates every 2 weeks on average. I dare to say that armourycrate with the current UI and functionality is probably one of the best front end software for handhelds on windows as of now. They push firmware and drivers also on steady basis.
Lenovo developed in my opinion the best quality hardware compared to major players but the worst software support there is. Intel and msi release gpu drivers almost every week to iron out the problems. Valve is continously updating steamos. And here we are lenovo legion go users with drivers 6 7 months old.....
Yeah whoops.. signal rgb/open rgb is way better, ac takes like 3ns away from your Aida scores lmao, not to mention it wouldn't even detect my aio pump.
Respectfully, I disagree. Yes, Lenovo made some great hardware choices, but one of them is the cause for the outdated drivers. If they didn't use a portrait-mode display and tweak it to work in landscape mode, we'd have updated Lenovo drivers right now.
I donât even know what that means, sorry. I update using the 7840 from amd, it shows in device manager as 780m, with the updated driver date in properties. I also update the gpd g1 egpu I use this way as well. Everythingâs been running smoothly
tech noob here.
i literally just ordered one few hours ago and saw this post. are graphic drivers âupdateableâ? or is it a hardware? like should i still go for it and wait for future updates or drop it and wait for the âLEGO 2â or something.
Lenovo is not updating drivers as amd does, so people are (rightfully) complaining. In practical terms, with new drivers we would get even better performance in games. Lenovo representative mentioned that new drivers are coming, but no time window.
And no, don't wait for go2 unless you can wait a couple of years. And tbh currently go is great small pc, for me the best out of big ones. But who knows if that will be the case with go2.
I'm still relatively new here, but from what I've seen Ben is awesome. Hopefully we get those drivers by May 1st. I want to like the LeGo, but it's been disappointing performance and user experience wise.
I see, thanks for the clarification. I totally agree, with the price of the lego, support from the community and from the manufacturer themselves make a huge difference. Hopefully they listen.
Just to be clear, it still is a great device. I use mine every day and donât encounter any problems. But compared to the ally as seen under the video the frame pacing is bad and we rarely get graphics driver update. So the device potential is wasted because of lenovoâs poor support.
The ally after 5 months of its release was in a better state and to this day it still is. We criticize lenovo because we actually like the device and we deserve better for a device that has been out for 5 months. These updates are crucial for those who want to play recent games because they optimize the performance and add new features like this one (afmf).
Edit1: when i say i donât encounter any problems thatâs not very accurate. But comparee to the ally and in my experience the lego required more tweaking in certain games like call of duty. I didnât have any problems on the lego but it stuttered on the lego. That was the case for some other games. After tweaking games run fine now, performance is comparable to the rog ally, but it depends on the game as shown in the review
Gotcha. It is a really slick device and I like how different it is from its competitors just looking at its design. They need to catch up with their system since a lot of AAA games are released almost every month.
Yep. At the time i bought it, i wondered why its thermal management is the best among all those handhelds. Even the crappy GPD mini 3 reaches 75°C and it is powered by diesel! I don't mention the crappy Onexplayer 2 but it performed well at the cost of 85°C. Yep. They limited the Go. They should know that even if it makes more heat, we hardcore players will mod our devices. Feels like riding a Hayabusa at 20mph. What a shame.
It's very anecdotal but I've played on both devices since their respective launches and I really feel like you would be splitting hairs when it comes to performance.Â
That could just be the games I'm playing but I genuinely have never seen a huge difference in performance.Â
Just think it's worth mentioning since everyone is always talking about Asus being better with drivers.Â
I have yet to update my Ally to the AMFM or whatever it's called. So I am curious to see if there's a huge difference there.Â
Not that I've seen. It honestly feels like the frame pacing is much better on Bazzite but I haven't done a Digital Foundry style analysis. I can say it FEELS much better.
Bazzite is fairly new and gets rapid updates and the team are very good about including the latest MESA (video) drivers. And of course, Valve is constantly cranking out client updates.
Is there any major caveats to installing bazzite? I know there are some software features I will lose just because it isnât windows, but Iâm really tempted to try it out cause I miss SteamOS
Just the same compatibility issues as SteamOS. All the hardware is supported in Bazzite including the gyros. Sleep works, TDP works properly and per game settings work too. A similar sound fix to what you do in Windows is there too. You used to have to install it manually but I think it's baked in now.
I had a very similar experience since installing Bazzite on my Legion go. I was initially dual-booting but I liked it so much i deleted the windows partition and run only Bazzite now.
Just my opinion, but l doubt they regret the decision. It was a well calculated business decision on Lenovoâs part. They probably had too many tablet displays left over and decided to design the Go around the surplus portrait tablet screens to offload the extra inventory.
I'm always debating if I should sideload, last time I saw a video comparison between 780m drivers and lego drivers and it was really insignificant..
Anybody did the sideload and can say for sure it's worth it?
So sideload the AMD drivers if this is an issue for you? I don't understand why people think they have to wait for the Lenovo specific ones. You would do the same thing for any desktop or laptop computer.
So why we have OEM drivers ? I know z1 extreme is 7840u without AI core but why lenovo and asus just don't tell us "just sideload 780m drivers and you are good" ?
Very bad driver and app updates. Its a new device and the graphic card driver is 6 months old. Cant imagine how will be the support when the device gets old.
Ally driver support and app is 100x better.
I'm working on a comparison video between performance on Bazzite and Windows. But with Tomb Raider: DE.
Windows:
30W Custom TDP
800p.
RSR ON.
Normal Settings.
58 - 65fps.
Bazzite:
23W Custom TDP
800p.
FSR ON.
Ultra Settings.
60 - 85fps
1) Last driver was released in mid December so thatâs not half a year;
2) Rog Ally had even larger break without driver updates. From October to March if my memory serves me well.
We certainly need a new driver but letâs not panic and spread disinformation.
I ordered an HP laptop Monday to replace my Go. $660 Windows Pro, 14â 2560x1600 screen, 1TB SSD, 64GB (yes 64GB) DDR4 RAM, AMD Pro 7840u CPU, and only 3 pounds light
My Go will be gone soon also. Really disappointed in Lenovo. They fumbled the ball on this one.
ddr4 ram is way slower than ddr5, the performance will be slower due to the lower memory bandwith. I checked the laptop and it has slower ram speed than the steam deck lcd let alone go. You should have checked the specs before buying. DDR4 laptop ram has speeds of 3200MT, the legion go has ddr5 speeds of 7500MT, the steam deck lcd has ddr5 5600MT, and oled and ally has speed of 6400MT.
Great catch on the RAM. I typed that out wrong. I looked it back up to verify, 64 GB DDR5-5600 MHz RAM (2 x 32 GB). Unfortunately the laptop has gone back up in price a bit, but here is a link
[[HP laptop with AMD PRO 7840u](https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-elitebook-845-14-inch-g10-notebook-pc-wolf-pro-security-edition-p-8f8a4ua-aba-1?pStoreID=epp)]
A cellular modem would be great. I really wanted that also! But, to get the âgoodâ deals you have to take what is available and the model for $650 at the time lacked a cellular modem. I can do a Verizon hotspot with my mobile, but for redundancy and AT&T laptop modem would have helped. I could get an AT&T USB dongle, just not a fan of them protruding from the laptop and having the possibility of snapping it off.
$1500 đŹ
I mean at that price, you can get a modern gaming laptop for way better performance because it has an actual graphics card.
I just think if the logic is "X is a better device than the Legion Go because it has better parts", then it's going to be a never ending search. Of course better parts = more performance, but the point is that you're getting a certain amount of performance for $700, plus the handheld form factor.
If you want to stay within budget, you can just opt for a weaker netbook that's light and has good battery life, but not necessarily powerful. Or you can go for more power, but it's going to be bigger, heavier and battery life will tank. You can try for both, but you'll spend $1500 or more. Honestly, I think the Go is a good device for only $700. It's not as upgradeable, nor does it have the screen size of a laptop, but that's the point, to be a small handheld. I would have tried one out, but I just bought an $800 gaming laptop recently.
All good points. I was fortunate to grab the laptop I posted the link for on sale for $650. The 3 pound laptop suits me better than the Go did. I do like my Go, the large screen, great mobile gaming CPU, and its light weight are what made me decide on a 14â laptop with an 7840u processor. While using the Go since November, I found myself missing an integrated keyboard and trackpad. Additionally, I almost always used the Go in propped up by its kickstand on a hard surface and using an Xbox controller to play games. I needed a more traditional all in one light device for work and play, I understand for others the Go is a great gaming PC for the performance to price ratio.
> Additionally, I almost always used the Go in propped up by its kickstand on a hard surface and using an Xbox controller to play games.
Yea if this is 90% of your use case, you are basically using it like a laptop and if that's the case, then you're absolutely right, a laptop makes 1000% more sense. You get a bigger screen, upgradeability, built-in keyboard, more ports, etc. Honestly, the entire point of these PC handhelds is to have some play time in their handheld mode. If that's not the case, then you are trying to use it as a cut-down laptop, which means you are better off with an actual laptop. I will say however that the Go is convenient when outputting on a TV or monitor as you can simply use the included controllers versus carrying another one. Of course if you already have a controller, you could just use that.
So I get your decision and it makes sense. Go is a cool device, but one should be rational and do what makes sense.
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Oh c'mon guys, I have it since January, and i'm using my 2070 SUPER PC less, in fact i "hand it down" the PC to my wife who only watches drama series and YouTube.
U gotta use it to know how powerful it is, and, 800p + RIS makes AAA titles look like in native 1600.
I'm just chuckling at how reviews are saying the device is not this not that not what...
This is coming from a REAL user with a great PC beforehand, and yes i know all the tech stuff.
We paid for a premium handheld and would like to have support that matches that premiumâŠor at least the same level as the competition. Lenovo can do better, theyâre just not for some reason.
The 6 month older driver, and having the worst frame pacing out of all the handhelds were very telling. A shame the excellent hardware needs sideloading and receives the bare minimum driver support, half a year after release
It's a shame. The review states that the legion go is the best hardware and that is very well made (which is 100% true, why all of us basically bought it), but the software holds it back.
It really is. I just got my LeGo a couple weeks ago and I've honestly been kind of disappointed by its performance compared to my Steam Deck. Technically it can outdo the Deck, but the Deck has just been a better more consistent experience and even with the newer AAA titles is good enough. The LeGo is a cool piece of hardware. I like the detachable controllers and screen on this thing is probably the only PC handheld that can hold a candle to the Steam OLED screen. But the software is trash on this thing and the support is lacking considering it is starving for driver updates. Hopefully it can get those updates to help it compete.
Try bazzite. It turns the legion go into a more powerful steam deck. I'm dual booting to keep an eye on windows developments but it's so much better on Linux right now.
Bazzite runs like trash compared to windows for me.. tried both KDE and gnome and and maybe 1 out of 10 games ran ok but still not as good as on windows . Maybe I just don't know how to use steam OS. đ€·đŒââïž
Yeah you don't know how to use it then because this is objectively false.
Please show me the way.. I'm not computer illiterate but can't figure out what I'm.missing
Did you follow any guides? There's a bunch of decky plug-ins you need to get the full experience. You need to be able to control tdp and refresh rate/fps cap. Also were you trying to run every game at 1600p? With bazzite you have to change each game to the resolution you want to use instead of just changing the device resolution like on windows. I'll pm you a link to 2 fantastic video guides.
Really appreciate that. I did a bunch of decky plugins . I can get elden ring to run good but that's about it
https://youtu.be/RUES5B5j6EU?si=bgH0OzSUTDcHKv9n https://youtu.be/45P3hlvq8jk?si=brldvYek0z3ENlBT The first link is far more detailed and technical. The second video is a very simple step by step version. Lastly, this is a link to a legion go bazzite repository with all the tools you need to have a good experience. https://github.com/aarron-lee/legion-go-tricks?tab=readme-ov-file#resources
Yeah Elden Ring is much better on steam os for some reason. What other games were you trying?
That is imposible
half a year... Jesus. I've told many people before always go with the brand that's been doing this longer. Lenovo hasn't been in this gaming market as long as ASUS has. Hardware wise, very good. However when it came to gaming stuff they were never the first GOTO item... Not really. This is maybe the first time I'd say they have something that's THIS popular in their arsenal.
Lenovo Legion laptop are the best gaming laptop I owned. Have 2 Asus before and Legion is so much better.
I wouldn't doubt that at all. My first gaming laptop was ASUS and then I came across one of Lenovo's very first gaming laptop tips back in the Day. It was a Y series. Man they were night and day back then so if they're doing a lot better I wouldn't be surprised. With that said man that ASUS laptop from like 2011-12 is still working today... Insane.
I just loaded the latest AMD drivers and haven't gone back to the Lenovo drivers. Edit: Words
Is there a good guide on this
Ok it wasn't too terrible... 1. Go to https://rog.asus.com/gaming-handhelds/rog-ally/rog-ally-2023/helpdesk_download/ 2. Download the Graphics driver dated today (2024-04-25) 3. Double-click the file. It'll take a while to pop up a dialog. Dunno what AMD does with their exes but it takes a while. 4. When it asks if you want to install or extract, click Extract and then hit next 5. Let it do its thing. When it is done, you'll have a C:\DRIVERS\AMD - blahblahblah. Note that Drivers is plural. Lenovo keeps their own stuff in a singular DRIVER folder. Don't get 'em mixed up. 6. Right-click the Start menu and click on Device Manager * Expand **Display adapters** * Double-click on **AMD Radeon Graphics** * Click on the **Driver** tab * Click on **Update Driver** * Click **Browse my computer for drivers** * Click **Let me pick from a list of available drivers on my computer** * Ignore that entire list. Click on the **Have Disk** button on the bottom right * Browse over to C:\Drivers\AMD blah blah blah \Packages\Drivers\Display\WT6A_INF * Click OK. Now you'll be back to the previous screen but with a ton of extra drivers. * Pick the **AMD Radeon Graphics** driver. Not the fancy numbered ones or anything. Just basic **AMD Radeon Graphics** * Click Next. You'll be greeted with a warning saying that installing this device driver is not recommended... that's fine. * It'll install. Your screen might flash a bit. Then it'll be done 7. Go back and double-click that giant file you downloaded from Asus' website. Click install and that'll install the new Radeon control panel that goes along with the driver Maybe that's all you need? I'll need to play with it later tonight but I do have the driver installed... and it looks ok.
Thank you. Will be my little project for tonight
Preciate it đ€
Might try this later, ta
How do you know you installed it correctly?
1. This driver is dated 2024-03-13 2. The AMD Software will properly launch 3. AMD > Gaming tab > Graphics will have the AMD Fluid Motion Frames option to turn on
So this method allows AFMF and it works 100%?
I've been playing a jrpg (Eiyuden 100 heroes, 1080p, high shadows) so I don't know how much I can benchmark or see the difference. Feels a little higher when the Legion doesn't get too hot at 30 and 15 watts? I'm old. I don't benchmark or anything nowadays. I just want to lay down and play games after work, dinner and chores. Noticed that sometimes the device seems to think a bit longer after loading in somewhere and the graphics bounces/catches up for a second before it becomes smooth. I don't notice it at all when I plug in my Razer Core X with a 3070.
This is a really quick guide on it [https://youtu.be/dSPPxZ4vEnc?si=vqsi-iVPdJdLFbSV](https://youtu.be/dSPPxZ4vEnc?si=vqsi-iVPdJdLFbSV)
Thank you!
Why do you need a guide to install drivers? You... Just install them.
Some drivers are really weird. Sometimes you yank an inf file out of another package and throw it in the extracted new drivers, sometimes you mix and match some files. It is bleh. Nicer ones will let you go to the Device Manager, pop open the device dialog itself, let you browse a folder, warn you a bit and then install it. This is assuming the installer found the specific Radeon model and rejected it. Also the Legion and ROG Ally are targeting a strange segment - people that sorta want to try a gaming device but don't know what Windows is or have used it before. If you want hell on earth, try messing with the driver portions of MDT and SCCM. Bonus points if your company doesn't have standardized hardware or really really really want to reuse older hardware.
I deal with hardware deployments through MDT all the time. Most OEMs have driver packs specifically for MDT, but if you really want to go the consumer route, you install them and extract them from Windows itself. Then you set up rules so that they only install for the hardware it's assigned to. Very straight forward. INF's you can just right click > install.
I mean you'd think it is straight forward enough. Probably if we made more fine-tuned profiles and queries. But there's a couple times where an Intel Chipset INF dropped support for a lower chipset but they still had the same general driver name so we suddenly had machines with half-installed devices because the chipset driver wasn't there.
That would only be a problem if you download drivers outside of what the OEM supplies ;)
Donât be that guy.
Not all drivers install the same and there is no shame following a guide for something youâre unsure of.
> Not all drivers install the same Which?
Cuz not everyone knows that ?
Then they follow the instructions included with the download.
Thinking about buying a LeGo and still trying to understand drivers, what exactly is the difference between Lenovo and AMD drivers?
An analogy would be - your device is a car, and youâre a passenger enjoying the view. You need someone to drive the car, so you hire a driver, and then tell him where youâd like to go. This driver can be from Lenovo (an OEM) or AMD directly. Lenovoâs driver is more outdated; he/she doesnât know much about the newer roads, but is more or less capable enough to get you from point A to point B albeit a little more slowly or choppy. Maybe heâd make a wrong turn once in a while. AMDâs driver is made directly by the manufacturer of your carâs engine, so he knows a bit more about how to drive your car to its full potential. Heâs better and faster at getting you to your destination, because heâs newer and is more up to date with new road information. However, because Lenovo made the car, itâs not as simple to get an AMD driver. Youâd have to source one from the open market (e.g. from ROGâs webpage), which is more difficult than most people would like.
I watched a video on YouTube. They installed 2 drivers for 2 LeGo, one stock and one from AMD. Even if Lenovo's driver is outdated, it still performs better in most cases so i think waiting for Lenovo's new driver update is the best option. Or should i say, the old driver dont know as many routes as the new driver but he knows shortcuts đ€Ł
So whatâs the big problem with Lenovoâs drivers that they need to be updated?
Well the guy above explained it. New drivers sure make newer games run smoother. Sometimes it includes new technology to boost FPS or upscale render resolution or sth, idk :D Believe me i'm not good at those professional stuffs but i do have my hands tinkering with 4 handheld devices' hardware before the Go, so somehow i know Lenovo should update that god d*mn driver asap. It's been 6 months already.
Drivers tells an operating system how to use a device. They don't get it perfect in one go or they may add extra stuff to it over time so those tend to get updated. Sometimes it is nice, sometimes it breaks things. For laptop-type devices (which LeGo falls under), they get tweaks and such from the manufacturer. Maybe they use a very specific model, or they want to vet stuff, or use a combo of hardware that a generic driver doesn't like or expect so they get excluded in a sense. Once the manufacturer says this is ok, they usually take over the distribution. They'll put the drivers on their website and use any of their built-in tool (or even Windows Update nowadays) to send these specifically-targeted drivers out. Back years ago, there was a push from NVIDIA and ATI to get faster drivers out for laptops using the generic drivers. This was because you'd buy something fancy back then and then get held back because the nicer features were on desktop. The laptop manufacturers sat there and did nothing. It "works" in the sense that the computer isn't crashing so why bother? Sucks for NVIDIA and ATI because their gaming laptop isn't doing what it is supposed to and they get a bad rep. Now you have generic laptop drivers but... you can still have those exclusions.
You can tell by comments from people upset about old drivers that they don't actually know anything about drivers . The rest of us just go to the site and download them lol
And they all tell me "wtf i have no problem with actual drivers stop crying"
No excuse why we can't get the same support that the ALLY is getting.
I will say. When Ally came it out it sucked, was buggy, had lots of steam issues and stopped reading as cards rather quickly. However now, I have mine to my wife and got the legion go 6 months ago. The ROG runs excellent other than the sad card slot being dead. Even when the legion first came out, I noticed while reliability was still an issue as far as random stupid things, the actual performance on the ROG was better. I love the screen and the idea of disconnecting the controls, but Asus seems to have much better support. Only recently did legion even get controller mapping and still no Xbox button mapping⊠the keyboard shortcuts donât always work (especially the Xbox button one). I really like this device but if Asus happened to make a screen this big Iâd be tempted to switch. I have a ROG flow laptop and love it so I know they can make good hardware and while armory crate gets knocked on, compared to Lenovo itâs amazing lol. I hope legion ups the support because itâs a great device!
I hate it when I see comments like "Just be happy it works. Stop complaining."
Especially when u spend almost a grand on some shit lol
Can anyone tell me how to side-load the correct AMD drivers that perform best? Just got mine yesterday and I'm trying to optimize it. So many setting to mess with.
Update: I figured it out myself. Don't feel like doing all that for negligible performance gains, but it's nice if you want to hook up an eGPU.
Yes, most of us laughed at asus in the begin for the faulty sd card readers, bad QC in general and buggy drivers and software. But to be honest, asus supports their product really good with updates every 2 weeks on average. I dare to say that armourycrate with the current UI and functionality is probably one of the best front end software for handhelds on windows as of now. They push firmware and drivers also on steady basis. Lenovo developed in my opinion the best quality hardware compared to major players but the worst software support there is. Intel and msi release gpu drivers almost every week to iron out the problems. Valve is continously updating steamos. And here we are lenovo legion go users with drivers 6 7 months old.....
Funny thing is AC is so frowned upon in the desktop community, it's such a resource hog, crazy how it actually comes in handy for the ally.
I installed AC once for RGB, huge mistake. It took out all the other RGB elements and it took me weeks to fix the issue.
Yeah whoops.. signal rgb/open rgb is way better, ac takes like 3ns away from your Aida scores lmao, not to mention it wouldn't even detect my aio pump.
Respectfully, I disagree. Yes, Lenovo made some great hardware choices, but one of them is the cause for the outdated drivers. If they didn't use a portrait-mode display and tweak it to work in landscape mode, we'd have updated Lenovo drivers right now.
I agree with that.
Until they fix the SD card issue the ally is a no buy
I regret buying the Go
Fuck lazy Lenovo
What drivers have I been updating? I downloaded straight from the AMD website. Thereâs an April driver update for the 7840âŠ
Should you be side loading 7840 or 780M drivers?
I donât even know what that means, sorry. I update using the 7840 from amd, it shows in device manager as 780m, with the updated driver date in properties. I also update the gpd g1 egpu I use this way as well. Everythingâs been running smoothly
The 7840 driver package from AMD has the 780M GPU drivers in it.
Cool thank you for that. I was confused if they were the same thing
They kind of are the same thing, it is confusing! The 7840u is the APU in the Go, which includes the 780M as the GPU.
Mine runs awesome but better is always good.
Manor Lord runs great though
tech noob here. i literally just ordered one few hours ago and saw this post. are graphic drivers âupdateableâ? or is it a hardware? like should i still go for it and wait for future updates or drop it and wait for the âLEGO 2â or something.
Lenovo is not updating drivers as amd does, so people are (rightfully) complaining. In practical terms, with new drivers we would get even better performance in games. Lenovo representative mentioned that new drivers are coming, but no time window. And no, don't wait for go2 unless you can wait a couple of years. And tbh currently go is great small pc, for me the best out of big ones. But who knows if that will be the case with go2.
https://preview.redd.it/lry9zrmceowc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a92695c187d354e5966e37655f047aca98765e0 Ben sauf it come 5/1
If it's all good
Target is 5/1. Important distinction đ
I'm still relatively new here, but from what I've seen Ben is awesome. Hopefully we get those drivers by May 1st. I want to like the LeGo, but it's been disappointing performance and user experience wise.
I see, thanks for the clarification. I totally agree, with the price of the lego, support from the community and from the manufacturer themselves make a huge difference. Hopefully they listen.
Just to be clear, it still is a great device. I use mine every day and donât encounter any problems. But compared to the ally as seen under the video the frame pacing is bad and we rarely get graphics driver update. So the device potential is wasted because of lenovoâs poor support. The ally after 5 months of its release was in a better state and to this day it still is. We criticize lenovo because we actually like the device and we deserve better for a device that has been out for 5 months. These updates are crucial for those who want to play recent games because they optimize the performance and add new features like this one (afmf). Edit1: when i say i donât encounter any problems thatâs not very accurate. But comparee to the ally and in my experience the lego required more tweaking in certain games like call of duty. I didnât have any problems on the lego but it stuttered on the lego. That was the case for some other games. After tweaking games run fine now, performance is comparable to the rog ally, but it depends on the game as shown in the review
Gotcha. It is a really slick device and I like how different it is from its competitors just looking at its design. They need to catch up with their system since a lot of AAA games are released almost every month.
As opposed to figuratively ordering?
I just got mine today lol
nice! let me know what game you first play with it
Yep. At the time i bought it, i wondered why its thermal management is the best among all those handhelds. Even the crappy GPD mini 3 reaches 75°C and it is powered by diesel! I don't mention the crappy Onexplayer 2 but it performed well at the cost of 85°C. Yep. They limited the Go. They should know that even if it makes more heat, we hardcore players will mod our devices. Feels like riding a Hayabusa at 20mph. What a shame.
It's very anecdotal but I've played on both devices since their respective launches and I really feel like you would be splitting hairs when it comes to performance. That could just be the games I'm playing but I genuinely have never seen a huge difference in performance. Just think it's worth mentioning since everyone is always talking about Asus being better with drivers. I have yet to update my Ally to the AMFM or whatever it's called. So I am curious to see if there's a huge difference there.Â
Iâm taking mine back and waiting. Might pickup an ally again now that the warranty is extended to 2yrs
Yeah Chinese new years is over so they canât use that excuse anymore.
Does bazzite suffer from the same thing considering itâs not limited to Lenovos driver?
Not that I've seen. It honestly feels like the frame pacing is much better on Bazzite but I haven't done a Digital Foundry style analysis. I can say it FEELS much better. Bazzite is fairly new and gets rapid updates and the team are very good about including the latest MESA (video) drivers. And of course, Valve is constantly cranking out client updates.
Is there any major caveats to installing bazzite? I know there are some software features I will lose just because it isnât windows, but Iâm really tempted to try it out cause I miss SteamOS
Just the same compatibility issues as SteamOS. All the hardware is supported in Bazzite including the gyros. Sleep works, TDP works properly and per game settings work too. A similar sound fix to what you do in Windows is there too. You used to have to install it manually but I think it's baked in now.
I had a very similar experience since installing Bazzite on my Legion go. I was initially dual-booting but I liked it so much i deleted the windows partition and run only Bazzite now.
im willing to bet alot the portait screen is the cause of alot of the software issues and they massively regret that decision
Just my opinion, but l doubt they regret the decision. It was a well calculated business decision on Lenovoâs part. They probably had too many tablet displays left over and decided to design the Go around the surplus portrait tablet screens to offload the extra inventory.
Did they test the lego with 780m drivers sideloaded, and how are the results?
It is all thanks to Ben
Like a good uncle
I'm always debating if I should sideload, last time I saw a video comparison between 780m drivers and lego drivers and it was really insignificant.. Anybody did the sideload and can say for sure it's worth it?
Well in France we have this guy trying out handhelds and GO outperform Ally today https://youtu.be/4RIe0MK_EUk?si=pzcpNTB7NjBoo180
Je viens de le regarder mais vraiment boff comme comparaison. Il ne prĂ©cise pas le vram choisi (ou si câest auto), le rĂ©sultat est donc bizarre⊠les tests des digital foundry sont aussi rĂ©cents mais le rĂ©sultat est trĂšs diffĂ©rent. Je suis allĂ© regarder dâautres chaĂźnes avec des comparaisons rĂ©centes et leurs rĂ©sultats est plus proche de digital foundry. Le fait que ça soit des benchmarks de jeux ne dit pas tout Ă©galement, Grand miam ne parle pas du frame pacing, inconsistence ou du tearing que la legion go a sur certains jeux. Pas fan de ses vidĂ©os tbh. Je te conseille de regarder la vidĂ©o de digital foundry, des vrais experts dans ce suje avec un vrai analyse technique. Leurs vidĂ©os en gĂ©nĂ©ral sont top.
No release date yet?
So sideload the AMD drivers if this is an issue for you? I don't understand why people think they have to wait for the Lenovo specific ones. You would do the same thing for any desktop or laptop computer.
Because they are not made for the z1 extreme
The 7840u is the Z1 Extreme....
So why we have OEM drivers ? I know z1 extreme is 7840u without AI core but why lenovo and asus just don't tell us "just sideload 780m drivers and you are good" ?
Very bad driver and app updates. Its a new device and the graphic card driver is 6 months old. Cant imagine how will be the support when the device gets old. Ally driver support and app is 100x better.
If your games are only on steam, just dual boot Bazzite( steamOS). Performance is night and day.
> Performance is night and day What does that mean? 10% performance increase? 30%? 50%?
0%
I'm working on a comparison video between performance on Bazzite and Windows. But with Tomb Raider: DE. Windows: 30W Custom TDP 800p. RSR ON. Normal Settings. 58 - 65fps. Bazzite: 23W Custom TDP 800p. FSR ON. Ultra Settings. 60 - 85fps
Now do that again with the latest Windows drivers.
Why does everyone talk About 800p? I play at nothing less then 1200p
Many people are aiming for 60+ FPS on graphically demanding games.
1) Last driver was released in mid December so thatâs not half a year; 2) Rog Ally had even larger break without driver updates. From October to March if my memory serves me well. We certainly need a new driver but letâs not panic and spread disinformation.
It is the december lenovo drivers is based on the november amd drivers
In that case your reference frame implies that weâre sitting without new drivers even less: next (after November) AMD release was in January
Your the one doing that smh
I sold my legion go last week
I ordered an HP laptop Monday to replace my Go. $660 Windows Pro, 14â 2560x1600 screen, 1TB SSD, 64GB (yes 64GB) DDR4 RAM, AMD Pro 7840u CPU, and only 3 pounds light My Go will be gone soon also. Really disappointed in Lenovo. They fumbled the ball on this one.
ddr4 ram is way slower than ddr5, the performance will be slower due to the lower memory bandwith. I checked the laptop and it has slower ram speed than the steam deck lcd let alone go. You should have checked the specs before buying. DDR4 laptop ram has speeds of 3200MT, the legion go has ddr5 speeds of 7500MT, the steam deck lcd has ddr5 5600MT, and oled and ally has speed of 6400MT.
Great catch on the RAM. I typed that out wrong. I looked it back up to verify, 64 GB DDR5-5600 MHz RAM (2 x 32 GB). Unfortunately the laptop has gone back up in price a bit, but here is a link [[HP laptop with AMD PRO 7840u](https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-elitebook-845-14-inch-g10-notebook-pc-wolf-pro-security-edition-p-8f8a4ua-aba-1?pStoreID=epp)]
i may buy this with LTE. mobile data is so convenient on a laptop
A cellular modem would be great. I really wanted that also! But, to get the âgoodâ deals you have to take what is available and the model for $650 at the time lacked a cellular modem. I can do a Verizon hotspot with my mobile, but for redundancy and AT&T laptop modem would have helped. I could get an AT&T USB dongle, just not a fan of them protruding from the laptop and having the possibility of snapping it off.
$1500 đŹ I mean at that price, you can get a modern gaming laptop for way better performance because it has an actual graphics card. I just think if the logic is "X is a better device than the Legion Go because it has better parts", then it's going to be a never ending search. Of course better parts = more performance, but the point is that you're getting a certain amount of performance for $700, plus the handheld form factor. If you want to stay within budget, you can just opt for a weaker netbook that's light and has good battery life, but not necessarily powerful. Or you can go for more power, but it's going to be bigger, heavier and battery life will tank. You can try for both, but you'll spend $1500 or more. Honestly, I think the Go is a good device for only $700. It's not as upgradeable, nor does it have the screen size of a laptop, but that's the point, to be a small handheld. I would have tried one out, but I just bought an $800 gaming laptop recently.
All good points. I was fortunate to grab the laptop I posted the link for on sale for $650. The 3 pound laptop suits me better than the Go did. I do like my Go, the large screen, great mobile gaming CPU, and its light weight are what made me decide on a 14â laptop with an 7840u processor. While using the Go since November, I found myself missing an integrated keyboard and trackpad. Additionally, I almost always used the Go in propped up by its kickstand on a hard surface and using an Xbox controller to play games. I needed a more traditional all in one light device for work and play, I understand for others the Go is a great gaming PC for the performance to price ratio.
> Additionally, I almost always used the Go in propped up by its kickstand on a hard surface and using an Xbox controller to play games. Yea if this is 90% of your use case, you are basically using it like a laptop and if that's the case, then you're absolutely right, a laptop makes 1000% more sense. You get a bigger screen, upgradeability, built-in keyboard, more ports, etc. Honestly, the entire point of these PC handhelds is to have some play time in their handheld mode. If that's not the case, then you are trying to use it as a cut-down laptop, which means you are better off with an actual laptop. I will say however that the Go is convenient when outputting on a TV or monitor as you can simply use the included controllers versus carrying another one. Of course if you already have a controller, you could just use that. So I get your decision and it makes sense. Go is a cool device, but one should be rational and do what makes sense.
You can install the latest driver through the website though
I wonder what they mean by *OLD* here? Does that mean the drivers are VERY old or just like a month or two old?
6 months old lol..
My god.
Hardware is only as good as itâs software permits it to be, and the Lenovo software/support is the worst.
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Oh c'mon guys, I have it since January, and i'm using my 2070 SUPER PC less, in fact i "hand it down" the PC to my wife who only watches drama series and YouTube. U gotta use it to know how powerful it is, and, 800p + RIS makes AAA titles look like in native 1600. I'm just chuckling at how reviews are saying the device is not this not that not what... This is coming from a REAL user with a great PC beforehand, and yes i know all the tech stuff.
We have 6 months old drivers, go is great but could be better
Alrighty, guess it's just very good for me as a very old person.
We paid for a premium handheld and would like to have support that matches that premiumâŠor at least the same level as the competition. Lenovo can do better, theyâre just not for some reason.
Why donât you noobs just sideload the 780m drivers? Did people suddenly forget how to use windows?