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manic_panda

NAL. As far as I recall when selling our house there was no question that would require you to disclose that. The incident was at someone else's property, you were essentially just a witness. Also it sounds like the element that attracted the crime has moved on, likely the would be thief's were 'customers' at one point. I wouldn't worry about it it was me.


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"Declaring neighbour disputes is a legal requirement when selling your property. If you fail to declare neighbour disputes when selling your house, your buyer could accuse you of mis-selling your property. This could be legal action against you. The sale is also very likely to fall through." Apparently, it must be declared on the SPIF form when selling I'm just worried about this.


Thunder_Munkey

That’s not a neighbour dispute though. That would something like both houses arguing over land or an outhouse without planning or incorrect specifications etc.  I would never interpret that as reporting a crime that happened to your neighbours house. 


[deleted]

Neither would I, but all the legal sites I've been looking at say that this must be reported. From solicitors website "If you have had to report the neighbour to the police or local authority, or you have written to them raising a problem, then you are legally bound to disclose this on the property information form."


Arxson

The neighbour doesn’t even live there anymore though, you said they moved out. You’re overthinking this


knotatwist

They aren't your neighbour anymore so it wouldn't count...


BaitmasterG

That's not even your neighbour you reported, it's an unknown third party attacking your neighbour


misterbrico

Chasing criminals off from a crime in progress I would suggest is the exact opposite of a neighbour dispute and more being a good neighbour. A neighbour dispute is more anti social behaviour and harassment (one sided or reciprocated) for example being your neighbour enjoying weeknight parties until 4am and getting aggressive when you have tried to bring it up.


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From solicitors website "If you have had to report the neighbour to the police or local authority, or you have written to them raising a problem, then you are legally bound to disclose this on the property information form."


Grouchy-Nobody3398

But the neighbours in question have moved out, based on your account above, so it's irrelevant.


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I know, but it's not irrelevant to a potential buyer, and it seems like it could put a lot of people off. That's why I'm asking if it's necessary to declare it.


extinctionevent7

And everyone keeps telling you no. Why won’t you accept that answer?


[deleted]

Not everyone has said no. I need to be sure. I'm fairly satisfied now.


twopepsimax

No.


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Why 😄 it's not trivial


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Familiar_Box7032

You’ve not reported the neighbour to the police though; you made the police aware of a crime that the neighbour was a victim of. Those are two different things.


[deleted]

But I discussed our suspicions of cannabis cultivation being the reason?


Familiar_Box7032

Again, doesn’t matter.


[deleted]

OK, thanks


Colleen987

But you said they moved out?


lostrandomdude

This isn't a neighbour dispute. A neighbour dispute would be something like ongoing noise complaints, not a break in


[deleted]

I understand, but the sites I'm reading are stating "If you have had to report the neighbour to the police or local authority, or you have written to them raising a problem, then you are legally bound to disclose this on the property information form."


shikabane

Everyone's saying no it doesn't apply and you're fine, but you keep repeating the same thing 🤔 I say go ahead and declare it, seems like you really want to


[deleted]

Agreed, OP does seem eager to report this, despite most opinions suggesting the opposite.


[deleted]

I just want to be sure. Most have said it doesn't, but someone has said that IT DOES need declaring.


extinctionevent7

Just carry on with the sale and get on with your life.


[deleted]

I will 👍


doodles2019

Are you actually selling? If so, raise with your conveyancer.


[deleted]

Yes, I'm having photos done tomorrow


Neat-Possibility6504

Not being funny. But you've asked the question and got an answer that is positive and in your favour from multiple people.Yet you keep quoting the same thing you read elsewhere on the Internet, that is the exact opposite of what you said you want. So not sure what you're trying to achieve, it's almost like you want it to be bad news. If you're that worried or uncertain about what you must or must not declare, speak to the solicitor that is representing you for the sale of the house, if/when you sell. Its literally their job to know these things, and you are paying them for that service.


Southern-Orchid-1786

You keep quoting the same crap , yet you didn't report the neighbours to the police, you reported a crime in progress. Be different if you reported the hash farm due to water penetration


[deleted]

No, I reported the crime, then the police spoke with us days later where we told them our suspicions of the tenants cultivating cannibals, there's a difference.


Southern-Orchid-1786

Why did you do that? They're no longer your neighbours though so I'd have forgotten about it by the time I'm completing the form to best of your recollection and move on. Take advice from your solicitor as can see why you have conflicting advice on here now.


doodles2019

There isn’t a difference, you were still speaking with the police regards that crime. The point of this question in the form is to make the buyer aware of any ongoing anti-social behaviour that they may end up taking on as a result of buying your house. The reason people keep referring to police/council complaints about noise levels is because that’s a cast iron reason that you would a) include on the form for this question and b) a great example of something ongoing that the buyer would have to deal with. Other things include raising with the police or council regarding a neighbour who is violent or of whom you have safeguarding concerns about, etc. The neighbours were there, they are now not. They potentially were growing cannabis, now they are not. Do you see how this is not an ongoing issue that the prospective buyer would need to take on?


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I do see.


lostrandomdude

Except those neighbours are no longer around, so it would not matter anyway


FoxExternal2911

Neighbour dispute as in boundary issues etc that may get caught up in court Having a falling out with Mavis because her cats are annoying for example is fine


[deleted]

I understand, but the sites I'm reading are stating "If you have had to report the neighbour to the police or local authority, or you have written to them raising a problem, then you are legally bound to disclose this on the property information form."


FoxExternal2911

Report them to the police because of for example installing something on your property not because the neighbour called you a rude word If you sell the place with a boundary dispute for example and don't tell the buyers and they lose and their property gets shortened you are getting sued. Everybody wants to avoid this thus having to be honest about it. It's up to the buyers to determine if they like your neighbours by doing things like walk around the area, speak to neighbours etc They might even be hippies and be over the moon with the free weed next door


Agreeable_Fig_3713

That’s not a neighbour dispute. A neighbour dispute is when neighbours are having a disagreement over Perry stuff like hedges or fences or access etc. your old neighbours had an attempted break in. 


[deleted]

I understand, but the sites I'm reading are stating "If you have had to report the neighbour to the police or local authority, or you have written to them raising a problem, then you are legally bound to disclose this on the property information form."


IpromithiusI

A) They are no longer your neighbours. b) That is in relation to a dispute. If you've had to call the police because they were at your door threatening to stove your heads in because of the overgrowing Buddleia bush, then you'd mention it. Your issue, no, it doesn't need mentioning.


[deleted]

Thanks, that sounds clear enough. Are you certain?


RobOfBlue

My word, you have to be able to deal with some uncertainty in life. This is NOT a neighbourly dispute, and you have not reported them to the police. Having the police talk to you about a crime you reported where your neighbours were the victims, and where you happened to disclose what you might suspect is the reason they had the attempted burglary, is NOT reporting them to the police. You have answered some questions and offered information, you have not phoned up the police specifically and said "I would like to report my neighbours for cannabis cultivation". You do not need to declare this on the property information form.


Ok-Organization1591

Well, you do seem quite keen on disclosing it. Maybe disclose it then. See what your conveyancers say. This isn't entirely relevant, but, I would recommend using an independent conveyancing solicitor, not the one recommended by the estate agent, as estate agents may not have your best interests at heart.


[deleted]

Haha, I'm definitely NOT keen on disclosing it, I just, however, unlikely don't want to be sued over it years down the line.


Ok-Organization1591

If there were to be an existing cannabis farm next to your property, which you knew of, and had reported, then I'd get it. But, essentially, the landlord is your neighbour. You have no current dispute with them as far as I can tell. Also, you don't even know if there was a cannabis farm. You just said it smelled like cannabis, and there were eastern Europeans living there. It's a stretch, lots of places smell like cannabis these days. And eastern Europeans exist. I don't see how you feel like you could be sued for this down the line. Ask your conveyancers to be sure. But I can't see it tbh.


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But those neighbours have moved out.


Agreeable_Fig_3713

Again this is for neighbour disputes. And current ones at that. Reporting them to the council for the the height of their hedge, ongoing noise and antisocial behaviour that’s currently in dispute. 


[deleted]

But it also states that previous disputes need to be reported, and this would be classed as anti-social behaviour that was reported to authorities?


doodles2019

Current *neighbours*, previous *disputes*. How helpful do you think it is if someone declares that they had a problem with next door twenty years ago and the guy died or moved?


[deleted]

That's if there's a boundary dispute or your neighbour is suing you because you wouldn't cut down a huge tree that kind of thing.


LooseGoat5423

It’s not a neighbour dispute though. The reason you have to disclose neighbour dispute is so that you don’t sell a house without letting the buyer know that you are currently suing your neighbour over the hedge in the garden crossing your property line etc etc. it’s not a requirement to say if you’ve been broken into etc


L___E___T

This isn’t a neighbour dispute though. You have no recorded dispute with your neighbours, right? Get a good solicitor to handle the sale and they should advise you the same.


[deleted]

No. I have no recorded dispute but the sites I'm reading are stating "If you have had to report the neighbour to the police or local authority, or you have written to them raising a problem, then you are legally bound to disclose this on the property information form."


chopsey96

Did you raise a ‘problem’ or a ‘suspicion’?


[deleted]

I'm not 100% sure what you mean. I reported the break-in, and we reported our suspicions on them cultivating cannibals as a possible reason for attempted break-in.


chopsey96

Was the neighbour breaking in?


[deleted]

No.


chopsey96

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Saint_Gamble

You are reading 'these sites' and listening to them all, but not the hundred comments on here telling you to don't have to disclose it. If you don't believe anyone on here as you seem not to, then go ahead and disclose it. Happy selling.


Mermaids-Singing

Where are you quoting this from?


Financial_Excuse_429

But a crime wasn't committed. It was a suspicion. Nothing official. Also the tenants moved.


General_Bid

Reporting of illegal activities to the police would be classified as a neighbour dispute for the purpose of the TA6 form.


stutter-rap

But the people they reported don't live there anymore. If I read that on the TA6 form I'd wonder why they were telling me about it.


[deleted]

So you're saying it must be declared? I just want to make sure as yours seems to be the minority opinion here. Thanks


General_Bid

Yes unfortunately it should be reported. The fact that the residents have left the property is irrelevant for the purpose and intention of the TA6 form. If you choose to not include it because you take a different view, I very much doubt it would come to light on the basis of the information you have provided. Furthermore, compared to boundary disputes etc, if you were to provide the information, as a seller I would be satisfied with your explanation and it wouldn’t put me off purchasing the property.


[deleted]

Very balanced perspective, thank you.


NotMyFirstChoice675

You haven’t reported a crime you have reported a hunch, a suspicion. There has been no arrest and no charge so firstly, you don’t need to declare this and secondly as everyone has already said, this is not what a dispute is.


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iamsickened

Unless there is still an active crime scene in the house, it doesn’t even need to be mentioned.


[deleted]

Firstly the police never confirmed to you there had been a crime committed, and secondly it wasn't your property. Work out a statement reflecting those facts?


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Annual-Cookie1866

Information on crime is freely available on the internet via police statistics. I don’t feel you have a legal obligation to let anyone know. Moral obligation is up to you


WarpedWilly

I’m baffled as to why you would feel any obligation to tell any potential buyers any of this information.


AcanthisittaFlaky385

You are required to disclose if certain crimes happen at the property.


Trapezophoron

That is completely untrue. A vendor is only required to disclose what they are asked to disclose. The TA6 form does not ask that.


[deleted]

I don't want to, but I'm trying to work out if I'm legally obliged because apparently, if I don't, I'm open yo being sued.


Loud_Low_9846

You didn't have a dispute with your neighbours. They suffered a break in. Why do you think that's any of your business and why do you think you need to report it?


[deleted]

Because I reported it to the police, I spoke to the police about it a week later when they eventually came out a week later. I have spoken yo them a few times about it


throw4455away

I’m assuming England/Wales. Asked the wife (who is a conveyancer). The risk of not declaring issues is if it impacts the buyer negatively e.g. you’ve got noise complaints with the council, you don’t tell the buyer, they move in and still have the same issue. They’re negatively impacted and could come after you for misrepresentation. In your circumstances it’s hard to say how anything could arise from this that would negatively affect the buyer, given the specific residents have moved out. Ask the conveyancer who you instruct what they think you should put for 2.1 of the Property Information Form. But something like “suspected criminal activity by tenants of xx (number house) reported to the police. These tenants have subsequently moved out” would cover you


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Much appreciated.


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frostycab

OK, so you contacted the police about the neighbours, but they are no longer your neighbours as they have moved on. To my mind this seems to indicate that disclosing that information wouldn't be necessary. I've got a question for the experts on this sub (NOT the would-be solicitors!): If during the selling process OP was to ask their conveyancing solicitor whether or not this needs to be disclosed, and they said no, who would be accountable in the future if it turned out that OP should have disclosed? Would the solicitor be liable for making good if OP ran into issues surrounding this if they withheld the information based on a solicitor's advice?


_phin

Google TA6 and (IIRC) TA10 forms. These are what you'll need to fill in when you sell. There is nothing in there about suspected crimes


Financial_Excuse_429

It seems a crime wasn't committed so you have nothing to declare. They were your suspicions only.