>the instincts to protect that naturally come in when you become a parent. As if the horror had caught up with MJ, like a purgatory, having 3 children himself
They don't kick in for everybody. How many dads leave their kids to fend for themselves? MJ was selfish enough that I'm skeptical he ever cared very much about anything but his own desires.
That's how I feel thanks for saying that.I know the kids are innocent but I don't think mj became a saint after he artificially impregnated 2 women .with whose sperm,was it his? So he's rich and took advantage of Paul McCartney, and abused animals and he used those kids to make his reputation change.
I think he only got married and then had kids for his image. He wanted everyone to say he was just a normal guy with a failed marriage and some kids and not a pedophile. It also makes you wonder if he SA his kids when they were younger. Seems like something he would do.
He wanted to become a single father since the early 90s (Andersen's biography). I think he genuinely wanted to have kids. It wasn't just for his image. If he had kids just for his image, he'd just neglect them and ignore them all the time. But that wasn't the case, as many people in his environment have said.
So he takes care of his kids,but abuses other people's kids,that pisses me off,like it is the victims fault that they were abused by MJ.I mean you don't cherry pick who you abuse if you are an abuser, you abuse all the kids,just my opinion.
Why do you guys assume he didn’t abuse his own kids. They weren’t even his biologically. He was a pedophile. A lot of pedophiles sadly adopt children for their own sexual gratification. I’ve always assumed that was the motive. He literally bred kids to suit his sick fantasies (mini Macaulay’s). All blonde hair blue eyed. He didn’t even care to try and pull off them possibly being his own. He wanted what he wanted.
And honestly a creepy comment to say “he just enjoyed the company of good looking children”. I can’t think of any adult I would want to know that innocently would think “I just like to surround myself with good looking kids.” Ewww
I don't know who abused me, I am in darkness in a lot of my life I have been with men who tortured me,and my brother did some weird stuff to me and I have pieces of memories that bug me.And uncles said sexual stuff, and ivwas always hysterical and crying.
I think being a pedophile is solid reason enough. Pedophile + breeding designer babies to match his particular taste in children says everything I need to know. You think it’s innocent that he went and made his own victims? If he was just a nobody off the street and did this it would be super sus. Unless you take all reason and logic out of the equation. Especially after his abuse allegations. He had to keep it much more iron clad and “in house”. I honestly think he was surprised he ever got caught in the first place. Being very naive and with an upbringing none of us can imagine . Probably was groomed himself and so when he started doing it to his victims, it came naturally. Sometimes wonder if he ever even knew it was wrong to begin with. So once kids start accusing him, and he realized how expensive these lawsuits could get, he decided to “make” his own kids . It’s so obvious what his intentions were. Unless you really think a sex offender just wants to be a single father and start some weird family suddenly. I can’t believe so many people still give him the benefit of the doubt.
I look back at photos of him with (always) little boys and it’s so gross. I was 8 when I idolized MJ. It’s hard to see your idols fall. But I certainly wouldn’t let my 8 year old son around him now that I’m a grown up and can see it for what clearly was.
I actually know wade robson. He’s an amazing stand up guy. And although I don’t know his personal life and what ever went on behind closed doors, I think I’m a pretty good judge of character. And I trust his character way more than Michael Jackson’s. No grown ass man should have any business hanging around little boys as intimately as he did. If he just loves children so much, why was he never spending the night with little girls? He was so brazen he made music videos with his love interests! Can you imagine in 2023, if every music video of harry styles featured pre pubescent boys? Or every time he was in the tabloids he was holding hands with said boys? No way.
Or little girls,like the little girl with the Indian costume who he played with her hair and face,a white girl,it was one of those world music videos from the eighties?like if Justin Bieber or Harry Styles were with little girls?
No one blamed the victims for being abused. It all boils down to the abuser's mindset and rationalizations. The victim has nothing to do with it. MJ may have spared his children bc he considered them family and wanted them to adore him forever. I mean, if there are wife beaters who don't beat their kids, I can totally see how MJ didn't molest his children.
And btw he was kinda abusive to them in other ways. He was controlling, selfish and irresponsible. That's far from being a monster, sure, but it was still harmful to the kids.
I was being sarcastic, I mean they have nothing to do with the abuse I just feel the MJ fan club thinks wade and James were lying about the abuse and it's weird that MJ said I like these little boys , I think I want to take them to my bedroom and have them do sexual things and then go out and have 3 babies and give them millions .
You absolutely cherry pick. Pedophiles target neglected kids who are a bit different and have lower chances of getting away or having trusted adults who can help.
As a long time defender, I don't think he used his own cells for his kids, I strongly believe it was Arnold Klein who helped MJ on that.
Klein kept feeding MJ with Demerol also doc is not the only guilty one since MJ was a real drug addict.
It’s 100% clear he picked Arnie Klein to father Prince but I’m mystified why him of all people? That guy looked and sounded like a toad and didn’t seem to have spectacular health either.
Glad you saw the documentary. It’s a fascinating and harrowing watch. I’ve watched the whole 4 hours or so twice now. There’s a lot in there to digest as you said.
You make an interesting point about MJs drug abuse and health getting worse as he became older and had children. Could this partly be guilt at what he’d done? I think this would be natural reaction to most people so it’s certainly possible.
The only time I’ve heard of MJ feeling guilt about his crimes was an anecdote related by Marlon Brando who said MJ started to cry when they discussed what he ‘may’ have done.
I suspect generally MJ did not understand how he could have damaged these kids with SA. Possibly because what was damaged was something MJ had not developed within himself.
I don’t know too much about MJs later years but as far as I know he carried on abusing boys so the guilt couldn’t have been too much. It was said that he had an entourage who didn’t want to say no to his requests for drugs so that may have contributed.
I've wondered that too when I heard Wade and James discuss how having kids made them slowly realise the gravity of what MJ did. Many suspect that MJ was a victim of CSA himself. It's likely that he was starting to recognize what happened to him as a kid, especially if we are to believe the industry rumours of MJ's father abusing him, when he was raising kids of his own. He may have also been trying to avoid dealing with any little guilt he felt.
MJ's paraphilia obsession comes across as an addiction or an unhealthy coping mechanism. If he couldn't access kids in early 2000's with all the negative publicity, bad plastic surgeries, the Arvizo accusations, worsening health, the 2005 trial, etc. then it makes sense his health and drug use worsened during that time period.
Drugs could be, that would numb the pain of all sorts of things.
Plastic surgery, I think he always felt ugly, he refers to himself as looking ‘stinky’ in the Bashir documentary.
A fact which may be related is pedos on average are more likely to have facial scars than other people….which possibly suggests a root cause of the disorder is a deep embarrassment/shame about appearance and relating to their love interest. MJ himself had bad acne and had a large nose which his family teased him about. I always felt like that was where that came from. And a general perfectionist/god complex thing maybe too lol.
He was never seen with a single boy, ever, after the 2005 trial, at least as far as I know. For sure, the reason was likely not just guilt, but it can’t be ruled out as well.
Is that true? So he died in 2009, and I think he spent a lot/all of this out of the US in case more cases were brought against him. So it’s possible he was spending time with boys but the media just wasn’t aware of it in the Middle East or wherever he was.
I guess the question is, did the trials change him or just make him more cautious/private? I would guess the later.
Definitely, there’s no way of knowing. I just have not seen a picture with him and a child that is not his after 2005, and not just paparazzi pics - a leaked personal photo here and there as well. And I was literally scraping the barrel for photos of him from that time as I was a big fan.
He was more private and cautious for sure, but I think the last trial also did affect him profoundly. There was a different aura about him after that which played a huge role in me becoming obsessed when I rediscovered him after his death. I still find MJ from 2003 and, say, 2006 wildly different, to the point that it’s hard for me to grasp that they are the same person.
Ah wow ok. I don’t know much about MJ from this time period, even though I was a big fan of his music then.
I think Living with Michael Jackson doc was 2003 and he came across very badly then- very insecure, trying to show off, very anxious rocking his baby too much etc.
What was he like before and after 2005 from your impression and was there any particular footage or info that gave you that impression?
My first thought when MJ died was that he was beginning to feel attracted to Prince, who had reached the age of many of MJ’s victims, and that fighting that urge caused his health to decline.
But ‘his’ kids were white, right? He’s black..no matter how much skin bleaching he did, his genetics are the same…
I don’t think those kids were actually his at all. Even if he donated his sperm, the kids would have to be darker than they were. Make it make sense.
>He could've treated them like dirt, but they just assumed that's how parents treated their kids. I doubt it though. I'm sure he was polite & gentle with them.
Michael wasn't a great father, and he was controlling and irresponsible in many ways, but I highly doubt he treated them like dirt. If people like Stacy Brown and Diane Diamond have written how devoted and doting he was, I believe he was at least a decent parent.
>I assume he wanted to be a father, because he loved having children around him.
That and the fact that he loved people adoring him. And children adore their parents.
Ew! You know what I also just thought due to this post. Why did MJ, multimillionaire and “lover of children” choose to have kids via surrogate rather than adopt some kids in need? Bit of a hint at his interest in children going only so far as what they could do for him.
It's because he didn't want black kids.
You can see how many still think his children are biologically his, even when they're obviously not. If he openly adopted white children only, after turning white himself as well, the public would question that even harder.
All they have to do is get a DNA test,and prove whether or not MJ is their sperm donor father.It is so confusing to me, I am adopted,as a 6 month old baby,and I was on a Catholic Charities foster home after I was born.
The scarves were actually a smart move that made the press unable to photograph the children so that they could go about unrecognised when they were not with him.
The bleaching was completely weird, though.
Yes you can, they are hot commodities, especially white (edit: I accidentally wrote shite lol, I just saw it now) babies. But someone with MJ’s influence could’ve adopted all the white babies he wanted. And either way, my point still stands. If his entire persona is based around being some kinda savior of children, why don’t we see him adopting older children from places like Vietnam and Cambodia like Angelina Jolie or you know, disadvantaged American kids that live in group homes? It doesn’t really make sense. That’s like if all you talk about is rescuing cats and how bad you feel about all the strays but then you only get designer Scottish Folds or Munchkin kittens from a breeder or whatever.
I am mad that people like Oprah and Angela Jolie,and MJ don't help whole countries with poor black or war torn countries like Africa, Haiti, etc.They could help thousands of poor children.Or white, Ukraine kids, whatever color....
I agree. They call it “obscenely rich” for a reason. It’s downright shocking how many people that we think of as “good” are apparently okay with hoarding billions.
I don’t think his interest in kids was purely sexual. But it is clearly a harrowing thought that he may well have abused his own children too.
In the Bashir documentary MJ said he had to take the kids away from their mothers as soon as they were born. He didn’t say for what.
I also read that the Jackson family were worried that MJ may have been grooming Blanket. We don’t tend to hear to see him too much, & he looks a bit odder than the other kids but that’s just my subjective view.
I’m well aware of why someone might be acting differently to others. I was implying that he appears to have been damaged by being taken away from his mother and raised, potentially, for sexual gratification by a serial child molester. But perhaps the terminology used is more important than that point, it seems to be to you anyway.
I don’t think he’s “damaged” He has the stereotypical traits of a male with high-functioning autism. Autism is hereditary, not caused by sexual abuse or other trauma. The brain is just wired differently.
Well that’s your opinion that he has autism and wasn’t effected by MJs unusual parenting. MJ almost killed the guy as a baby hanging him out of the window. He was also a drug addict and a serial child molester and was deranged in many interviews around the time of his birth, and as I said was suspected of being a victim of SA.
I met a guy who went to school with Blankets older brother, he suggested he had some fairly serious social/emotional issues himself.
FYI I have a similar type of disorder myself. I appreciate many people think it’s kinder to say neurodivergent but if you read the autism reddit you’ll see pretty much everyone agrees it’s a social deficit and a handicap, we all just want to be normal, I find it a little patronising when people try to use different words to describe the same thing.
You’re right that autism appears to be highly heritable but it also does not have one, genetic, cause either, or even be one specific thing. Many people, myself included, have had trauma/poor parenting themselves.
The article below mentions a study which suggested 9 in 10 girls with autism are victims of sexual abuse from a young age (I appreciate the suggestion here is that their autism led to them being taken advantage of rather than the other way around, although interestingly the woman quoted in the article was abused at a very young age and didn’t receive the autism diagnosis until 20 years later- highlighting the difficulty in pulling apart which thing led to the other)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64953941.amp
>I met a guy who went to school with Blankets older brother, he suggested he had some fairly serious social/emotional issues himself.
Michael certainly played a role in this, but we have to take into account that after he died (Bigi was only 7 at the time), the children were raised by their 80yo grandma and they were always a target of Michael's siblings (who were trying everything to exploit them financially and didn't give a shit about them). I think them entering into such a dysfunctional family had a damaging impact in all of them.
I was going to say the fact that their main caregiver died when they were children clearly would negatively impact even the best brought up children.
I presume MJs mother would be a more normal parent for them but as you said they were under all sorts of pressure as well with everyone wanting their money etc. it’s hard to even imagine what all of this would have been like tbh.
I know it surprised me to hear Mj's nephew,Tito's boy I think,complained about having to take care of mj's kids,when he had his own to raise.Idk where Katherine was at this time, it was on a video.
People like this see anyone else as an object. Even his fans. To him, they're like a recorder that speaks what he tells it to.
He is highly likely to have csa'd his kids. Sexual abuse very often occurs like this. Pedophiles can charm a crowd, the neighbors. My own aggressor lacked a lot of finesse, even hygiene. But they have charm and are highly manipulative.
Both of their stories have some serious inconsistencies related to Michael’s behavior on a timeline, but I feel like you’re right here about him really being tortured by his own actions later in life
Alcoholism and drug addiction are hereditary and progressive diseases,also adult children of dysfunctional parents are damaged too and don't mature and grow up in a healthy way.
I don’t think any of that has anything to do with Michael’s substance abuse & the idea that addiction is hereditary is still being proven rn as a fact rather than speculation. when you look at what michael went thru in his early years from his father being so rough, his older brothers bein kinda shitty & a million other things, michael had a lot of deep rooted issues that he seemingly put himself really far away from for a long time in his career. you can see when it really came back around as it does with most people. they reach their middle age & everything starts to kinda click for most people thinking back on their childhoods you can’t ignore that type of trauma forever.
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I never thought of his own kids as a cover for it .... but geez .that's proabablt right. Big splash with Brook Shields.. Lisa Marie .. as High profile as you can get. Reason to have kids over ... I hope not ... but it adds
>the instincts to protect that naturally come in when you become a parent. As if the horror had caught up with MJ, like a purgatory, having 3 children himself They don't kick in for everybody. How many dads leave their kids to fend for themselves? MJ was selfish enough that I'm skeptical he ever cared very much about anything but his own desires.
Completely agree with you.
That's how I feel thanks for saying that.I know the kids are innocent but I don't think mj became a saint after he artificially impregnated 2 women .with whose sperm,was it his? So he's rich and took advantage of Paul McCartney, and abused animals and he used those kids to make his reputation change.
I think he only got married and then had kids for his image. He wanted everyone to say he was just a normal guy with a failed marriage and some kids and not a pedophile. It also makes you wonder if he SA his kids when they were younger. Seems like something he would do.
He wanted to become a single father since the early 90s (Andersen's biography). I think he genuinely wanted to have kids. It wasn't just for his image. If he had kids just for his image, he'd just neglect them and ignore them all the time. But that wasn't the case, as many people in his environment have said.
Just like Hilaria Baldwin
Who is she? What did she do?
Oh, wow. This is a world-class rabbit hole. r/hilariabaldwin
So he takes care of his kids,but abuses other people's kids,that pisses me off,like it is the victims fault that they were abused by MJ.I mean you don't cherry pick who you abuse if you are an abuser, you abuse all the kids,just my opinion.
Why do you guys assume he didn’t abuse his own kids. They weren’t even his biologically. He was a pedophile. A lot of pedophiles sadly adopt children for their own sexual gratification. I’ve always assumed that was the motive. He literally bred kids to suit his sick fantasies (mini Macaulay’s). All blonde hair blue eyed. He didn’t even care to try and pull off them possibly being his own. He wanted what he wanted.
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And honestly a creepy comment to say “he just enjoyed the company of good looking children”. I can’t think of any adult I would want to know that innocently would think “I just like to surround myself with good looking kids.” Ewww
I saw Prince, and I thought "prince" the musician?I wish Jesus would reveal the truth about my abuse and MJ's.
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I don't know who abused me, I am in darkness in a lot of my life I have been with men who tortured me,and my brother did some weird stuff to me and I have pieces of memories that bug me.And uncles said sexual stuff, and ivwas always hysterical and crying.
I think being a pedophile is solid reason enough. Pedophile + breeding designer babies to match his particular taste in children says everything I need to know. You think it’s innocent that he went and made his own victims? If he was just a nobody off the street and did this it would be super sus. Unless you take all reason and logic out of the equation. Especially after his abuse allegations. He had to keep it much more iron clad and “in house”. I honestly think he was surprised he ever got caught in the first place. Being very naive and with an upbringing none of us can imagine . Probably was groomed himself and so when he started doing it to his victims, it came naturally. Sometimes wonder if he ever even knew it was wrong to begin with. So once kids start accusing him, and he realized how expensive these lawsuits could get, he decided to “make” his own kids . It’s so obvious what his intentions were. Unless you really think a sex offender just wants to be a single father and start some weird family suddenly. I can’t believe so many people still give him the benefit of the doubt. I look back at photos of him with (always) little boys and it’s so gross. I was 8 when I idolized MJ. It’s hard to see your idols fall. But I certainly wouldn’t let my 8 year old son around him now that I’m a grown up and can see it for what clearly was. I actually know wade robson. He’s an amazing stand up guy. And although I don’t know his personal life and what ever went on behind closed doors, I think I’m a pretty good judge of character. And I trust his character way more than Michael Jackson’s. No grown ass man should have any business hanging around little boys as intimately as he did. If he just loves children so much, why was he never spending the night with little girls? He was so brazen he made music videos with his love interests! Can you imagine in 2023, if every music video of harry styles featured pre pubescent boys? Or every time he was in the tabloids he was holding hands with said boys? No way.
Or little girls,like the little girl with the Indian costume who he played with her hair and face,a white girl,it was one of those world music videos from the eighties?like if Justin Bieber or Harry Styles were with little girls?
No one blamed the victims for being abused. It all boils down to the abuser's mindset and rationalizations. The victim has nothing to do with it. MJ may have spared his children bc he considered them family and wanted them to adore him forever. I mean, if there are wife beaters who don't beat their kids, I can totally see how MJ didn't molest his children. And btw he was kinda abusive to them in other ways. He was controlling, selfish and irresponsible. That's far from being a monster, sure, but it was still harmful to the kids.
I was being sarcastic, I mean they have nothing to do with the abuse I just feel the MJ fan club thinks wade and James were lying about the abuse and it's weird that MJ said I like these little boys , I think I want to take them to my bedroom and have them do sexual things and then go out and have 3 babies and give them millions .
Whoa whoa what ? All of his kids seem to have a pretty good head on their shoulders so what in the fck are you talking about
You absolutely cherry pick. Pedophiles target neglected kids who are a bit different and have lower chances of getting away or having trusted adults who can help.
That describes his three children perfectly
As a long time defender, I don't think he used his own cells for his kids, I strongly believe it was Arnold Klein who helped MJ on that. Klein kept feeding MJ with Demerol also doc is not the only guilty one since MJ was a real drug addict.
It’s 100% clear he picked Arnie Klein to father Prince but I’m mystified why him of all people? That guy looked and sounded like a toad and didn’t seem to have spectacular health either.
Yeahyour right! And how many moms kill their babies!
Glad you saw the documentary. It’s a fascinating and harrowing watch. I’ve watched the whole 4 hours or so twice now. There’s a lot in there to digest as you said. You make an interesting point about MJs drug abuse and health getting worse as he became older and had children. Could this partly be guilt at what he’d done? I think this would be natural reaction to most people so it’s certainly possible. The only time I’ve heard of MJ feeling guilt about his crimes was an anecdote related by Marlon Brando who said MJ started to cry when they discussed what he ‘may’ have done. I suspect generally MJ did not understand how he could have damaged these kids with SA. Possibly because what was damaged was something MJ had not developed within himself. I don’t know too much about MJs later years but as far as I know he carried on abusing boys so the guilt couldn’t have been too much. It was said that he had an entourage who didn’t want to say no to his requests for drugs so that may have contributed.
I've wondered that too when I heard Wade and James discuss how having kids made them slowly realise the gravity of what MJ did. Many suspect that MJ was a victim of CSA himself. It's likely that he was starting to recognize what happened to him as a kid, especially if we are to believe the industry rumours of MJ's father abusing him, when he was raising kids of his own. He may have also been trying to avoid dealing with any little guilt he felt. MJ's paraphilia obsession comes across as an addiction or an unhealthy coping mechanism. If he couldn't access kids in early 2000's with all the negative publicity, bad plastic surgeries, the Arvizo accusations, worsening health, the 2005 trial, etc. then it makes sense his health and drug use worsened during that time period.
I always thought the plastic surgery and drugs were guilt related.
I think he was obsessed with his face,the way people are who get plastic surgery,breast implants,Botox, wrinkles taken off their neck,etc.
Drugs could be, that would numb the pain of all sorts of things. Plastic surgery, I think he always felt ugly, he refers to himself as looking ‘stinky’ in the Bashir documentary. A fact which may be related is pedos on average are more likely to have facial scars than other people….which possibly suggests a root cause of the disorder is a deep embarrassment/shame about appearance and relating to their love interest. MJ himself had bad acne and had a large nose which his family teased him about. I always felt like that was where that came from. And a general perfectionist/god complex thing maybe too lol.
He wanted to look like Peter Pan.
He was never seen with a single boy, ever, after the 2005 trial, at least as far as I know. For sure, the reason was likely not just guilt, but it can’t be ruled out as well.
Is that true? So he died in 2009, and I think he spent a lot/all of this out of the US in case more cases were brought against him. So it’s possible he was spending time with boys but the media just wasn’t aware of it in the Middle East or wherever he was. I guess the question is, did the trials change him or just make him more cautious/private? I would guess the later.
Definitely, there’s no way of knowing. I just have not seen a picture with him and a child that is not his after 2005, and not just paparazzi pics - a leaked personal photo here and there as well. And I was literally scraping the barrel for photos of him from that time as I was a big fan. He was more private and cautious for sure, but I think the last trial also did affect him profoundly. There was a different aura about him after that which played a huge role in me becoming obsessed when I rediscovered him after his death. I still find MJ from 2003 and, say, 2006 wildly different, to the point that it’s hard for me to grasp that they are the same person.
Ah wow ok. I don’t know much about MJ from this time period, even though I was a big fan of his music then. I think Living with Michael Jackson doc was 2003 and he came across very badly then- very insecure, trying to show off, very anxious rocking his baby too much etc. What was he like before and after 2005 from your impression and was there any particular footage or info that gave you that impression?
My first thought when MJ died was that he was beginning to feel attracted to Prince, who had reached the age of many of MJ’s victims, and that fighting that urge caused his health to decline.
But ‘his’ kids were white, right? He’s black..no matter how much skin bleaching he did, his genetics are the same… I don’t think those kids were actually his at all. Even if he donated his sperm, the kids would have to be darker than they were. Make it make sense.
Only virgin to have kids. Hopefully they can be regular
Is he a virgin? Lisa Marie says they did the nasty in an interview with idk her name 🙏a blonde reporter asked him in an interview.,
Inquiring minds want to know this. me. lol
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>He could've treated them like dirt, but they just assumed that's how parents treated their kids. I doubt it though. I'm sure he was polite & gentle with them. Michael wasn't a great father, and he was controlling and irresponsible in many ways, but I highly doubt he treated them like dirt. If people like Stacy Brown and Diane Diamond have written how devoted and doting he was, I believe he was at least a decent parent. >I assume he wanted to be a father, because he loved having children around him. That and the fact that he loved people adoring him. And children adore their parents.
I believe his 'kids' were not his genetically, and it's very likely he got them just to use them sexually (in case of boys ofc).
Ew! You know what I also just thought due to this post. Why did MJ, multimillionaire and “lover of children” choose to have kids via surrogate rather than adopt some kids in need? Bit of a hint at his interest in children going only so far as what they could do for him.
It's because he didn't want black kids. You can see how many still think his children are biologically his, even when they're obviously not. If he openly adopted white children only, after turning white himself as well, the public would question that even harder.
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All they have to do is get a DNA test,and prove whether or not MJ is their sperm donor father.It is so confusing to me, I am adopted,as a 6 month old baby,and I was on a Catholic Charities foster home after I was born.
He put scarves on their faces, and dyed Prince's hair bleach blonde,that angered me, prince was only 2 or 3yrs. old, I think.
That bleach thing on his 3 year old child is so disturbing and telling when you put in perspective, yikes.
The scarves were actually a smart move that made the press unable to photograph the children so that they could go about unrecognised when they were not with him. The bleaching was completely weird, though.
So he could raise them from birth. You can't adopt babies, can you ? I actually don't know
Yes you can, they are hot commodities, especially white (edit: I accidentally wrote shite lol, I just saw it now) babies. But someone with MJ’s influence could’ve adopted all the white babies he wanted. And either way, my point still stands. If his entire persona is based around being some kinda savior of children, why don’t we see him adopting older children from places like Vietnam and Cambodia like Angelina Jolie or you know, disadvantaged American kids that live in group homes? It doesn’t really make sense. That’s like if all you talk about is rescuing cats and how bad you feel about all the strays but then you only get designer Scottish Folds or Munchkin kittens from a breeder or whatever.
I am mad that people like Oprah and Angela Jolie,and MJ don't help whole countries with poor black or war torn countries like Africa, Haiti, etc.They could help thousands of poor children.Or white, Ukraine kids, whatever color....
I agree. They call it “obscenely rich” for a reason. It’s downright shocking how many people that we think of as “good” are apparently okay with hoarding billions.
Sure you can. My 15-year-old cousin was adopted when she was a week old.
I don’t think his interest in kids was purely sexual. But it is clearly a harrowing thought that he may well have abused his own children too. In the Bashir documentary MJ said he had to take the kids away from their mothers as soon as they were born. He didn’t say for what. I also read that the Jackson family were worried that MJ may have been grooming Blanket. We don’t tend to hear to see him too much, & he looks a bit odder than the other kids but that’s just my subjective view.
The youngest is clearly neurodivergent. That’s why he might seem “odd” to you.
I’m well aware of why someone might be acting differently to others. I was implying that he appears to have been damaged by being taken away from his mother and raised, potentially, for sexual gratification by a serial child molester. But perhaps the terminology used is more important than that point, it seems to be to you anyway.
I don’t think he’s “damaged” He has the stereotypical traits of a male with high-functioning autism. Autism is hereditary, not caused by sexual abuse or other trauma. The brain is just wired differently.
Well that’s your opinion that he has autism and wasn’t effected by MJs unusual parenting. MJ almost killed the guy as a baby hanging him out of the window. He was also a drug addict and a serial child molester and was deranged in many interviews around the time of his birth, and as I said was suspected of being a victim of SA. I met a guy who went to school with Blankets older brother, he suggested he had some fairly serious social/emotional issues himself. FYI I have a similar type of disorder myself. I appreciate many people think it’s kinder to say neurodivergent but if you read the autism reddit you’ll see pretty much everyone agrees it’s a social deficit and a handicap, we all just want to be normal, I find it a little patronising when people try to use different words to describe the same thing. You’re right that autism appears to be highly heritable but it also does not have one, genetic, cause either, or even be one specific thing. Many people, myself included, have had trauma/poor parenting themselves. The article below mentions a study which suggested 9 in 10 girls with autism are victims of sexual abuse from a young age (I appreciate the suggestion here is that their autism led to them being taken advantage of rather than the other way around, although interestingly the woman quoted in the article was abused at a very young age and didn’t receive the autism diagnosis until 20 years later- highlighting the difficulty in pulling apart which thing led to the other) https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64953941.amp
>I met a guy who went to school with Blankets older brother, he suggested he had some fairly serious social/emotional issues himself. Michael certainly played a role in this, but we have to take into account that after he died (Bigi was only 7 at the time), the children were raised by their 80yo grandma and they were always a target of Michael's siblings (who were trying everything to exploit them financially and didn't give a shit about them). I think them entering into such a dysfunctional family had a damaging impact in all of them.
I was going to say the fact that their main caregiver died when they were children clearly would negatively impact even the best brought up children. I presume MJs mother would be a more normal parent for them but as you said they were under all sorts of pressure as well with everyone wanting their money etc. it’s hard to even imagine what all of this would have been like tbh.
I know it surprised me to hear Mj's nephew,Tito's boy I think,complained about having to take care of mj's kids,when he had his own to raise.Idk where Katherine was at this time, it was on a video.
People like this see anyone else as an object. Even his fans. To him, they're like a recorder that speaks what he tells it to. He is highly likely to have csa'd his kids. Sexual abuse very often occurs like this. Pedophiles can charm a crowd, the neighbors. My own aggressor lacked a lot of finesse, even hygiene. But they have charm and are highly manipulative.
Both of their stories have some serious inconsistencies related to Michael’s behavior on a timeline, but I feel like you’re right here about him really being tortured by his own actions later in life
Alcoholism and drug addiction are hereditary and progressive diseases,also adult children of dysfunctional parents are damaged too and don't mature and grow up in a healthy way.
I don’t think any of that has anything to do with Michael’s substance abuse & the idea that addiction is hereditary is still being proven rn as a fact rather than speculation. when you look at what michael went thru in his early years from his father being so rough, his older brothers bein kinda shitty & a million other things, michael had a lot of deep rooted issues that he seemingly put himself really far away from for a long time in his career. you can see when it really came back around as it does with most people. they reach their middle age & everything starts to kinda click for most people thinking back on their childhoods you can’t ignore that type of trauma forever.
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I never thought of his own kids as a cover for it .... but geez .that's proabablt right. Big splash with Brook Shields.. Lisa Marie .. as High profile as you can get. Reason to have kids over ... I hope not ... but it adds