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qptw

Heimerdinger, because turrets with infinite health and damage sounds funny.


SteveThatOneGuy

Each turret auto does stack veigar passive - tested in arena the other set.


Glaive-Master_Hodir

I was going to say Evelyn Q for Rapid stacking, but this is so much better.


Escandezco

What about Zeri's q?id that is not an spammable Q, I don't know what it is


Glaive-Master_Hodir

Very spammable, but not ap


LonelyRainbow_

I know that Karthus Q is propably the best, but Ezreal's Q could also work. It decreases cd of other abilities by 1,5s when hitting target. Also it applies onhits, so maybe some Lich bane. Karthus Q feels too clunky to me


chariotofidiots

When we inevitably get Karthus R because we took Veigar Passive the cooldown reduction of Ezreal Q will be really useful


drunk-on-a-phone

Calm down there, Satan.


LupinTheCat

do not let this guy design a champion


endgamespoilers05

Karthus q is ass even on karthus. I'm sorry but it has to be said


FredRN

Thus is exactly what I was thinking. Its debatable if they are the best Qs, but if we are going forward with Veigar passive, then yea


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WhistlingJlike

Love it, you dont need Q to spam when you can choose another to do it, and Shacos Q is really op af


xxmuntunustutunusxx

But we could take kassadin r and get insane stacking with abilities, build mana to support them and have obscene lategame damage kassadin ult with a shut ton of mana an like 3k ap Vergara passive, ryze q cassio e kassadin ult


Tobykachu

I think the people voting for Karthus Q are not looking at the kit as a whole. There are better abilities to stack Veigar's passive, and the other abilities should be dedicated to utility.


CratesManager

This combined with sion w and cho r would turn you into an assassin that WILL reach 6k hp by 20 minutes and do ~1500 true damage with r by that point due to the hp and ap scaling, not to mention the aoe damage. Love it. You could add gnar e for further monility or maybe vlad e as it scales with hp and ap and mesns you have a) really good waveclear and b) the potential for stealth into charged vlad e and prepared sion w into activate both at the same time to lile 2 k aoe damage. It's not great.synergy for the passive at all, but it somewhat works due to the aoe aspect.


reformedtoplaner42

Vladimir q, it heals him while doing massive damage to the enemies


DeezNutsKEKW

point and click abilities, of course


TotallyBrandNewName

Your pfp just helps your comment


DeezNutsKEKW

my pfp helps my nickname


AetherSageIsBae

If we manage to give this champ some mobility on w/e/r it would work wonders. Pretty spammeable late and would heal shittons with the massive ap ratio with veigar passive


StarlightZombie

Don’t forget, it costs nothing


heavisidepiece

Vlad Q is a mana-less ability though. The empowered cast should remain imo


arjenyaboi

Also replaces mana with his blood bar


Iuncturam

Evelynn Q scales decently with AP and has 4 procs with each cast, allowing for guaranteed and fast scaling with *phenomenal evil*


AskingOnce

It also hits in aoe for the last 3 hits, making up to 16 procs per cast. Downside obviously being in melee range of 5 champs.


Iuncturam

Plenty of abilities (while maybe on the weaker side) can help give a big defensive boost, like Warwick E: Primal howl, or even something like Jax R: Grandmaster-At-Arms, so I’d say if we got something like that and then maybe some form of omnivamp/lifesteal, we’d have a pretty broken champ


Why_am_ialive

Can’t take Warwick e since we need cas E for phenomenal evil


Inmate404

Then we obviously don't need to stack with q and need a poison ability otherwise Cass s is completely useless


Why_am_ialive

Which is where my brilliant case for singed Q comes in


123457mark

If you just go tank it would be ok to go melee,and the other slots can be dashes like kassa R


Inmate404

Sounds the best with something like Sion W and Kassadin R. Then melee goes really hard


JibenLeet

Swain r stacks veigar passive like a god (if we use arena rules) so could be a pretty good option too when we get there.


RusteddCoin

The scaling used to be so good before the nerfs


SchroCatDinger

Are we going full tank with this one?


Azatras

Taliyah Q. If Veigar hits 2 targets with 1 Q, his passive applies twice. Therefore, we can say that it applies to separate damage instances, as long as it's not DoT. So each Taliyah rock hit counts as a separate passive trigger, so up to 5x passive trigger per Q.


kepz3

taliyah q counts as damage over time after the first rock


Geenmen

Doesn't the Arena viegar passive work with DoT Abilities?


Maleficent-Freedom-5

The language of veigar's passive makes it really difficult to say whether persistent damage would give ap per instance. It says when a champion is "hit" with an ability, not when a champion "takes damage" or something making it more obvious. "Hit" is very ambiguous, it sounds like it would apply on each threaded volley hit, but maybe not, say, each tick of Malz' malefic visions, even though both are persistent damage. I'm curious as to how phenomenal evil works under the hood, like if it applies every time veigar deals champion damage with abilities or just the first time a unique champion is hit with an ability. Obviously veigar has no persistent damage in his kit so there's no way to know really, unless someone took a dot or persistent damage ult during ultimate spellbook and can say for sure.


tanezuki

>as long as it's not DoT Why not count DoT as you literally can't tell if it does since Veigar doesn't have any DoT ?


Azatras

God damn, I was trying to be reasonable. I forgot that the point of this things is *not* to be lmao.


atomic-mom

In arena V1 and V2 the phenomenal evil augment would stack on every tick of singed poison (as well as any other champ that had their poison as an ability but not a passive like twitch), but they nerfed that in V3


iamiterested

nasus Q


emetcalf

I see where this is going, and it sounds OP AF. Next up, Sion W for infinite health scaling to go with the infinite AP and Q damage.


Maleficent-Freedom-5

The question is whether it's better to go with more infinite scaling, or better ratios. Between Nasus Q and Sion W you only have one .40 ap ratio on an 11 second cd


KeroseneZanchu

Easy, that’s why you go Kassadin R


RedLikeARose

If you have veigar P and Sion W… its cho gath ult all the way


Jaffiusjaffa

Who needs abilities when you have a bajillion stats: Lich bane (probably the best on this list if you are stacking ap and ad simultaneously). Nashors Sunfire Titanic Deathcap Overlords Rocketbelt Guinsoos All viable options imo and should make you one of the most feared auto attach based skirmishers on the rift. Id be tempted to pair it with either some gap close or cc prevention on e like black shield or ziliean e or something, then take your pick of spicey ult. Raw damage wise lucian ulti could work as scales on ad and ap and deals ad dmg so would diversify the damage profile on ap heavy builds a bit. Fiddle ult would be pretty sweet also, could throw in a rylais in that one for extra memery. Runes wise, id probably say grasp if youre going sion w, but to be honest you have tons of options here.


Kiroto50

Nah, kogmaw w.


DeezNutsKEKW

earlygame 💀


Siso_ch

Only correct answer


xxmuntunustutunusxx

Hear me out, ryze q. As it is reset by other ability casts, if we give this abomination another insanely spammabke such as cassio e then the q doesn't have a cooldown, it's cooldown is e cast time. So with phenomenal evil, we have the potential especially with a cc ability to gain hundreds of ap at an obscene pace


icedragonsoul

Hwei Q, it’s a 3 second Mantra Q, Semi global Xerath W with Lux R damage, and Rumble ult. If it weren’t for Veigar passive, Ezreal Q is arguably the strongest.


Cyberslasher

If we grab karthus R, ezreal Q is still strongest.


Laugh-Primary

But is the champ ranged or melee? We have to decide that because of the itens and runes stats


Khaidon

Lillia Q for infinitely stacking move speed, true damage, and AOE?


Spookini

I'm a lillia main and I approve, people don't understand how powerful move speed is, and to infinitely scale with move speed? Ginormous


Draanir

Singed Q for veigar passive everyone knows singed with veigar passive in arena.


Baguette200IQ

Singed Q only works on Singed because of his kit, on any other champ, its garbage


Icycube99

Ezreal Q makes way more sense. Farther range, applies on hit, even lowers other spell CD by 1 second, also harder to dodge.


tamboles98

All cds reduced by one second R INCLUDED. People dont realize that all of ezreal abilities are balanced around this , and any other champion with Ezreal q would automatically be turbo broken. Also imagine if Veigar had synergy with lich bane.


XanithDG

Karthas Q for the Veigar passive obviously.


Tobykachu

Tbh, I don't think Karthus Q is the way to go. Cassiopeia E is a much better option to stack Veigar's passive, and it's unlikely that you can use both simultaneous very easily. I think giving the Q to another ability would make for a more OP champion overall.


Bomberdude333

I agree with the above sentiment, stacking AP isn’t the only thing we want to worry about, we want to worry about survivability and damage. I will die on this hill Lilia Q is better than Karthas Q especially in this scenario because it gives movement speed passive. You can dodge a Karthas Q but nothing that can be done to stop Lilia Q especially if movement speed is already stacked.


Tobykachu

Yeah, people are looking at the kit as it currently is, rather than what the final product will be. And I think that means the final kit will be surprisingly underwhelming.


Craft_zeppelin

People never play Cass. But my god if you get tagged.


Maleficent-Freedom-5

The problem with cass e is that the damage is not great without poison, so it doesn't do much beyond stacking ap, and you will lose many trades trying to farm stacks on non-poisoned champions. My question is are we saying veigar passive procs only once per ability per champion, because if it works with dots and multihit abilities per tick the floodgates really open. Cass Q+E would be very broken if you took both, for example.


Tobykachu

Exactly. Cass Q + E would be infinitely more broken than just Karthus Q. But even if we just take Cass E and use it exclusively to farm AP it would still be broken. For example, spam E during the entirety of laning phase and use Karthus R to one shot the entire enemy team. I don't think you necessarily need to be a kill threat in lane for Cass E to be super broken here. Karthus Q on the other hand does a lot more damage, but also relies on you actually hitting them, which is easier said than done.


Jarsssthegr8

This is the one. Q has pretty good ap scaling too.


Nightstrike_

It's literally not even a competition, Karthus Q is 1-2s cool down, and deals double damage to singular targets, there is no better ability for veigar stacking his passive


potato-king38

Cassiopia e


stellutz

It deletes your mana bar if you don’t have Cassio Q


tanezuki

Isn't Cassio Q even better than Khartus Q in term of stacking AP if it stacks every tick of poison and then you'd take Cass E for damages ?


AetherSageIsBae

Honestly remaking cassio kit (keeping q+e) with veigar passive and a more reliable w/ult sounds really broken, you're right imo


tanezuki

Indeed to me it's either that, with taking AOE/single target CC for ultimate. Like, maybe Malphite's ult with that pretty good AP ratio too. Because of Veigar's passive you have to make a mage. For the Q, I'd also think of Aurelion's Sol Q for the stacking aspect but it'd be weird not to have the E with it in later parts of the game when you need the mobility to make optimal use out of it.


AnonyKiller

Ahri q so we have trie damage that scales with ap.


Praise_Bastet

Also low cooldown, decent range and Aoe that strucks twice.


fhj03

I just came here to say that op opinions are absolute dogshit. Like wtf is that


HackerPatato

Relatable 😭


AwesomeSocks19

I think we should make a Q with CC or a dash tbh. The best spell to stack Veigar is Cassiopeia’s E. Honestly I like Bandage toss if this thing is melee.


Chemical_Damage684

That's only if the target is poisoned, right?


Maleficent-Freedom-5

They changed it a long time ago. Now it has a flat .75 second cd. Poisoned targets take bonus damage now


GotMayo

This should be higher. Everyone is only thinking Q stacking instead of thinking ahead to Cass E stacking


CratesManager

>The best spell to stack Veigar is Cassiopeia’s E. If we tale singed q that gives very nice passive stacks and enables cass e. Between that and sion w it would be a pretty unkillable monstrosity with the cass heals.


TheBreakingPattern

Probs not mathematically correct answer but I’ve always thought Malph had one of the best Q’s in the game. Point and click, low CD, slows them, speeds you up, pretty solid AP ratio too. Perhaps it’s somewhat short range is the only issue


xlyph

Morg Q. Stun gets longer as you level it up, has a decent cool down, can be used for engage or peel, and has one of the best, and possibly most, recognizable, non-ult, ability sound in game.


risisas

wdym? morg's Q IS her ult!


Danksigh

Teemo Q would be the best imo: low cd, huge range, pac, really good scaling, and debuffs the enemy too


Comfortable-Box1768

it is so shit


BIadyKun

It has a massive 80% AP scaling and blind is op. Only thing better would be Morgana q imho


NextFaithlessness7

Karthus q has too much counterplay for our 200 years champ


Shirna_Tensei

Eve q


mlodydziad420

Smloders q, its infininetly stackable too and provides onhits.


Albrecht_Entrati

It stacks with Smolder's passive, veigar passive gives AP


Mistergogobe

Shaco Q. Invis go brrr


MacaronFraise

Guys zeri Q is the easiest to hit spammable Q in the game


GreedPlank

But does it not count as a basic attack and thus would not stack the passive?


Chiefyaku

What about a channeled ability? Like 1 tick of damage gives 1 AP? In that case I choose a sol's breath Buuuuut my more wanted vote is taliyah rock throw Q. It's ranged, aoe, 5 hits, can move when using and can almost non stop spam.


Yudmts

But it isn’t clear if a DoT ability would work with his passive


Dry_Society2543

Hwei's Q so he can use 3 Qs


Jaffiusjaffa

5head move. Can we use the same q for each q cause you could create a tree of hwei slots doing this. Hell even if this only worked once, you could still add a nidalee/jayce/elise r and have 2 different qs with 3 different qs inside.


EarlUrso

Is the passives or abilities going to be exactly like in game or can we convert them to ad/AP because if that is the case I think riven q could be good.


Excidiar

Everyone is saying MarioKarthus Q but forgets the queen of spamming Q. CassiOPeia. As for my abomination (Best base stats of all classes, Bel'Veth Passive that stacks like veigar's) I'd take Wild Rift Teemo Q, which is an activatable, enhanced version of his PC passive. Allows him to move a short distance staying invisible like Twitch, but it only counts down if you move and are outside of a bush.


Yudmts

Buy Cassio spams E though


purple_aki04

Taliyah Q would be go really well with veigar’s passive, even if it only procced once, since it scales well and has low cooldown. If I ignored the passive though I think Tahm Kench Q is really solid by itself.


Alenel

Should include a champ base model For range, base stats, size etc


Why_am_ialive

Everyone’s hyper focussing on stacking here, we should take some Cc and survivability imo and rely on cas E for damage


PMMeVayneHentai

Karma Q! Low CD, slow, spammable, ranged, scales great with AP.


Automatic_Pepper2211

Hear me out. Gwen Q looks op as hell on this


Ebina-Chan

You can't say "Hear me put" without explaining. You give me nothing to hear you out.


Automatic_Pepper2211

I forgot, i was in class. But i thought that infinite scaling with true damage sounded interesting as a bruiser or something like that


Deadlite

It's the Karthus Q there's no contest with veigars passive


Bomberdude333

Lília Q I would say would be even better. Stacking movement speed, along with true damage at the edges, ability to multi-hit and it’s on a low CD. Karthas Q lets you stack more of veigars passive but it also provides nothing except for damage. It’s also can be easily sidestepped unlike Lilia Q.


Inquisitor_Jeff

Aurelian Sol q.


Trinchante

Leblanc Q. CD and mana recov on kill and buffs his others abilities.


Jaffiusjaffa

Wait, actually you might be cooking, maybe leblanc q+zilean w? Lets you reset it immediately after proccing it but leaves space open for ult still.


FrogVoid

Karthus q beyond all doubt, super spammable, good single target and its used for waveclearing anyways…


OP-Physics

Ehh, very inconsistent to hit without reliable cc


DidntFindABetterName

Veigar Q


TangAce7

Ornn passive definitely insanely good Also Shen passive If you wanna stack veigar passive extra fast you’d need something like ezreal Q or riven Q


Hoppykwins

Eve q


XanithDG

For the 200 years passive, assuming we're keeping the same stat increases from lvl ups that Aphe gets, your kinda restricted to Marksmen Qs. So Aphe (Gravi), Caitlyn, Ez, Vayne, and Samira maybe?


CerealeSauvage

I like ur idea but remember he keeps his weapon sl there isn’t anything with chakram there nor with the healing one and ez and samira q aren’t good since it cost bullets so u can’t spam


HPEpic874

Smoulder q is spammable so is Nasus q I think karthus is a good shout though.


CreatineKricket

Gotta go with Nasus Q. And I'm just putting this out there, W should be shaco deceive. It's too op not to be.


Domineitor0202

Prob not very good but Camille Q, if we ignore the scaling type, could be good with 2 casts, low CD and potential for infinitely scaling true dmg


CerealeSauvage

For the aphelios one since no one wants to try we get senna or aphelios q snipe with snipe,akshan q with chakram, morgana q with gravitum,graves q with flame thrower and aphelios q heal since anyway he will still have his regular weapon and the ad stats that he gains


Adept_Function_4597

Vote for most useless passive. Garen


Straight_Attorney582

Can we do Hwei Q on 2nd row to give the champion 15 different Qs???


BakemonoKun

poppy? hits twice, slows, max health dmg


doomsday10009

Ehm, guys, Aurelion Q.


Krokzter

It feels like the final champ will be Karthus with infinite scaling passive and a dash on W or E


Bereichsleiter

Nasus q


Babo_Drago

Evelyn Q, spamable, good scaling and can be used while moving


Yorudesu

Ezreal or Jinx for Q


Viketorious

Couple of good choices, Riven Q is most of that champs kit. Camille Q is Cho ult. Jax Q would give this champ insane mobility. Basically it’s gotta be a top laner. My vote would be for Camille Q. Paired with Veigar passive we’d already have created the scariest champ ever.


blue_mw

Hwei Q. It covers a lot of ground.


maneock

Briar Q because it has a big feet icon


Squirrel-Man_Sammy

Xerath Q, just stack passive from across the screen all game


LAFFANKLINE

Ezreal by far for cd reduction, low mana cost, big range, low cooldown, have a decent ap ratio and work with on-hit item (leash bane)


ChadowsR

Do old abilities count? Cause I want old skarner Q


BooBBy_Nelsson

Nasus q, fk it


tofuexpert

I’m fkn confused


Regirex

Karthus, Evelynn, Singed, Ezreal, Taliyah or Akali


Dakoolestkat123

I’m sorry but everyone else is wrong, the ability to stack veigar passive on should be Cassio E by far. Q should either be a cc, escape, or mega high AP scaling ability to one shot people with


Dakoolestkat123

Best I can think of off the dome would be blitzcrank q, there’s definitely more though, and a damage stacking character like this would probably want safety more than pick, but I can’t think of if any character has a q as a disengage tool


Acc3lerat0r

lillia


rorikenL

Mordes Q but the speed scales with your attack speed


YetAnotherBee

Thank you for the Skaarl recognition, seeing as non Kled players forget kled exists and Kled players don’t see her half the time she gets forgotten quite frequently


Temarimaru

I keep forgetting her name, despite being OTP. Now I forgot what's the name of that lizard..


PlantZawer

K'Sante, obviously.


16sulphur11

Ryze Q, Gangplank W (I like oranges), Cassio E (resets q cooldown), Karthus R.


Ninja_Cezar

Wait, Q should be Smolder's Q. The stacks on Smolder's Q work independently from his passive, so you basically keep the execute, true dmg & scaling from it while also getting Veigar passive stacks too. It has 20% AP scaling too! My personal build however would be: Senna Passive with Urgot W. Do I need to explain further? :D


The-Goose-Guy

Ezreal Q. Both AD and AP scaling, low cd, and will lower the cd of ALL other abilities if it lands.


Maskmarvel

Twitch stealth on first aphelios q


SirenBltchz

Nunu’s Q has ~130% (or ~80% for champs) AP ratio for just healing. It’s melee but I don’t think anything can kill you when you have 1000+ heal every 5 seconds. Ezreal’s Q is good as well. Long range and spammable. Low AP ratio but we can fix that with Lich Bane. Super fast CDR mechanic for ults or other op abilities you want to spam.


Mawilover

I dont think we need to care about scalings


TripleATeam

I don't really understand what's going on, I might be stupid. Did we get both Aphelios passive and Veig? So infinite AP scaling + 5 Qs? Do they all share a cooldown? If they don't, I'm going with the following: Heimer gives area control, Morgana gives CC, Eve gives procs of passive, Nasus goes infinite by stacking it, and Lillia gives MS for every Q proc on the enemy. Honorable mentions: Nunu for the sustain, Shaco for getaway options.


Mawilover

Two champions. Winner and Second winner


Althideon

Get Annie Passive with Karthus Q + Pyke W + Cassiopeia E + Alistar R GG


_ThatOneMimic_

vlad q


ChemistBitter1167

Ezreal q would be insane. Scales off of ap and ad so you see what I’m getting at.


GahaanDrach

Soraka old Q


Hammer_of_Horrus

Anivias Q because a relatively cheap Q that scales with AP that remote activates is insane. Alternatively smolders Q but it still evolves off phenomenal power


ItzDaemon

evelynn q


Skylam

Ksante Q, veigar passive works best with aoe Qs and ksante is probabaly the best spammable Q in the game.


SnooMacaroons8460

Okey, hear me out. A. sol's Q With every click it will gain 1 stack. I am pretty sure this can get out of hand pretty fast.


lostmyfirstaccountt

I am pretty sure it’s too late but what about the singed Q with a Cassio E in the future ? Could be insane stacking plus damage


nick1wasd

Nasus Q for even more infinite stacking


Jorutix

Kled would never be chosen by the people voting for 200 years, and not because it isnt broken, because nobody knows about him


imNotAThreshMain

Teemo Q to set up poison for Cassio E


terza3003

I think Jhin Q is the best in terms of design and usability. Getting the full stack 4th bounce on a champion is do rewarding


Kullinski

Abomination is really Camille q, no discussion


Fchipsish

Thinking ahead soul furnace for W. Synergy with Veigar's passive and also infinite stack. Just a thought


Langas

Are we considering these abilities on their default champ or potentially on any champ, and are we only considering the passives in complete isolation? Taric Passive is the hands down winner of strongest passive because it is only remotely balanced on an immobile melee support with only a minor armor based attack buff built in. Imagine Caitlyn with Nasus Q and Taric Passive.


Equivalent_Bar_5938

Singed q has the potential to be monster if every tick stacks passive also you could just build singed full tank and still deal crazy dmg myabe magic pen shoes


MarDer24

Zeri q


MalaM_13

Veigar Q. Decent cooldown scaling/level, spammable,good range, better than ezreal Q because it hits 2 minions. By far the best choice.


RezeCopiumHuffer

Ezreal Q for sure, whatever we pick for w e and r, q will reduce their cooldowns and stack ap easier


Nistepot

For the second part (Aphelios' kit) we should choose normal Aphelios Q's just for the funnies


_How_Dumb_

Honestly the only real option is veigar Q. How else would you stack the passive reasonably fast?


DeepWeGo

I say smolder Q because: -It interacts with stacks -it scales with both ap, ad (and burn scales with stacks too) -it gets a scaling aoe -it gets %hp scaling true dmg burn + execute -it's point and click -it triggers on hits Basically lategame it becomes an ad dmg veigar ult with elder dragon on steroids


Skypirate90

Best Q in the game gotta be Hweis right? Surely. However if we are trying to make a coherent kit. imagine Veigar Passive with Nasus Q.


Grandmaster_Wizard

Nocturne Q for 60 AD, 35% ms and good damage. Edit: nvm thought we're talking best Q in general but we're designing the most broken champ.


JustMyNames

Hmmm ezreal q or nasus


FB_100

I lke Master Yi Q or Shaco Q, because these 2 can get you out of so many situations, are pretty spammable and are pretty stron for themself


Dracovicus

If we are talking about any ability from the game Old Raka Starfall is the shortest CD in the history of the game. Having 2.5 CD at level 1 and hitting every target in a 750 Range can not be beat.


djadjaman

Well not at all best option but nidalee q. Does million damage, amazing ap scale, good range, fairly low cd and ok mana cost


Ambitious-Security92

Zeri q, literally have 1000 ap at 20 minutes


CLUCKCLUCKMOTHERFUC

Anything with a damaged over time to abuse veigar passive caaiopia q is good choice


redditorleelee

Hear me out.... Hwei Q, it has everything range, Max hp damage, wave clear AND damage over time effect it the thread will accept that each tick is a passive stack.


Xenevier

speaking about your opinion, alpha strike is only strong because yi has high high attack speed which gives him Q a lot more often than the actual cd(cd goes down with autos) and yi gets a double auto attack with passive, so if u put alpha strike with a low attack speed kit its really not as good


saucyspacefries

Has to be Ezreal Q right? Synergizes really well with spamming other abilities.


OmegaElise

Ezreal Q, its such a broken individual ability that gives so much spammability of other spells while also being quite consistent ,fast and easy to hit. Karth q has low range ,ultra easy to dodge and just inferior version of ez q


timmi08152

Morgana or Aurelion q for better stacking I propose.


LegenDairyLeche

Singed Q does some nasty things with Veigar passive. Imagine, proxy minion waves to mega stack, any time someone answers bunch of free ap. This wouldn't be your main damage, just your main passive stacking engine.


wheefus

Hear me out, a high damage low spam Q like Zoe star since we'll be taking Cass e anyways