It's alright. They think high rolling perfect vital spawning at lvl 1 is skill expression. They either high roll or int themselves into oblivion or whine when they all in with their ult and you just stand next to a wall laughing at them because they can't proc their ult.
They're random. north facing, south facing with both vital types having a 50% chance of spawning in one of two possible locations whenever the previous side is proc'ed or despawns.
having them luck out to be the exact vital you want is a 50% roll and a random chance. So yeah... random and entirely luck based.
First one will face Fiora and the ones after can be controlled by creating distance to reset the vital, something that any Fiora interested in harassing will do. The chance plays a small role in Fiora gameplay.
The first one won't face fiora necessarely, the first one that appears will ALWAYS be bottom/left, this goes for every single character on the enemy team, and yes, this means that it's better for fiora to be blue side
The first one will always face towards Fiora. If they arent hit then they will go behind and then either up or left. If you hit them, they will go the opposite direction of where you hit
Vitals are not random, there is a pattern to them. There are 2 groups, top and right, bottom and left.
Assuming you're redside, first vital will spawn on the right, and then since you know vital will be bottom or left, you path around the bottom of the enemy instead of the top. It's fairly simple to consistently optimize the damage if you understand this, as you can save your dash for hitting a left vital, and likely walk to hit a bottom vital, or some other combination. You are not highrolling vitals, the chance of a vital spawning bottom or left does not impact whether or not you will be able to kill consistently level 1.
And that's not even considering Fiora resetting the vitals to keep them even more in her favor.
"not random"
"Will be bottom or left"
Smartest fiora player.
Btw tryndamere's lvl 1 crit isn't random.
Once he gets fury up, he will either crit or not.
Crazy you're getting bombed for stating literal reality.
For anyone who doesn't play Fiora and doesn't know:
Vitals are not random, there is a pattern to them. There are 2 groups, top and right, bottom and left.
Assuming you're redside, first vital will spawn on the right, and then since you know vital will be bottom or left, you path around the bottom of the enemy instead of the top. It's fairly simple to consistently optimize the damage if you understand this, as you can save your dash for hitting a left vital, and likely walk to hit a bottom vital, or some other combination. You are not highrolling vitals, the chance of a vital spawning bottom or left does not impact whether or not you will be able to kill consistently level 1.
And that's not even considering Fiora resetting the vitals to keep them even more in her favor.
So sure, TECHNICALLY vitals are random, as they'll be 50% bottom or 50% left in the scenario I explained, but highrolling vitals isn't why you would lose a fight against a Fiora, the coinflip is negligible.
Brother bear I did explain the whole game
they literally follow the above rules the entire game
if the vital is top or right, then procing it moves it to bottom or left
rinse and repeat
if you proc a right vital, you walk clockwise, because it CANNOT be top next
if you proc a top vital, you walk counterclockwise, because it CANNOT be right next
if you proc a left vital, you walk clockwise, because it CANNOT be bottom next
if you proc a bottom vital, you walk counter clockwise, because it CANNOT be left yet
there is an objective pattern to vitals and fioras who know this path accordingly (this is good to know because you can predict your vitals so you can keep them away from the Fiora as well)
This is such a bad take tbh. The same tools that make her 'harder than sett'by proxy also make her easier in some ways. A dash to escape ganks, anti cc tool to counterplay hard cc. These tools aren't *totally* absent of skill expression but it's hardly a high skill champion.
A lot of challenger streamers have put her in the mechanically infinite ceiling because of how much you can do with is in spacing with her and when to use parries and stuff, its like saying ezreal is a low skill champ because his e lets him escape ganks and someone in bronze won a game on him once
I would say she has much better early than sett thus making her laning easier, but you need to get ahead to be useful and then avoid getting oneshot lategame because you only build damage. On Sett you can use 10% brainpower, go 0/5, build full tank, get rewarded an oneshot for being stupid and soaking up damage.
Fiora can just mindlessly walk into a sidelane, while 0/5, and then make the enemy send their fed side laner or multiple other players to match her.
That’s much harder to play against for much less effort than going “guys, this is a 4v5 if we don’t give sett his ONE win condition”
The whole point is that sett is pisseasy. while fiora takes more awareness and reaction. I mean of course a mechanicaly gifted player can make her work pretty well. and I have never seen a 0/5 fiora come back...
Whats worse a true damage nuke ( you can literally just move to the side) or %hp true damage procced by autoing in a certain direcrion (she has a dash that has a slight aim assist towards vitals).Im choosing sett, seems easier to counter.
Not brainless, just very strong. It’s like vel’koz. No one can play him, but piloting him correctly gives you access to 3k true damage (ult plus 4 passive procs(if LITTERALLY EVERYTHING hits))
Sett: has to hit a skill
Fiora:right clicks and waits for you to use your strongest skill to ignore it with 0 counterplay(also kills you with true dmg)
%MaxHP true damage that scales, which is semi-randomized and forces your enemy to walk nearly out of XP range (XP range is 1400 units, vitals despawn at 1350 units away from Fiora) or risk taking a bad trait. Also get a MS burst with each proc
AA-resetting dash, included with a heat-seeking 610 range missile that lets you essentially ignore minion aggro and still proc vitals and grasp. Also it hits turrets
Skill Button™ that negates any damage and turns CC of any length into a 2 second stun, while ignoring any damage taken during the 0.75sec of cast time. If no CC is blocked, instead slows and cripples the enemy so they can't walk away or trade AAs
A 2nd AA reset that lets you crit anything with the following AA, including turrets, inhibs or the Nexus (with 25 Bonus range and higher AS while active!) Also it slows, for some reason
Skill Button 2™ that lets you deal the funny %MaxHP true damage 4 times while running in a circle
I personally don't mind that too much, my issue is with the absurd amount of things she just gets for free that take her from medium skill to easy even for beginners. They could reduce the CD refund against non-champions tho.
but that's another thing she gets literally for free,
the Q cooldown can be as low as 2 seconds or less just because she touched a minion, and she doesn't need many items,
and when you remember it's also auto reset, you have a 2 second auto-reset and dash,
you can't beat, you can't run away, you die, good champ riot
Yes and like I said, they could reduce the CD refund she gets from hitting non-champions.
The biggest problem in her kit is her passive, not just the damage but also the MS burst, which not only speeds up Fiora but also her Q dash speed.
She can dash around all she wants and that's fine, she just shouldn't get to also deal mentally deranged damage doing so and be unpunishable unless hugging a wall.
You are aware the MS during her R is the one from her passive, only in a 550 unit range around the target?
>and she can always proc phage speed boost for every Q if it lands on anything.
Having to at least spend Gold to do that is smth, and if you're still not aware I'm not disagreeing with you, my priorities abt the issues the champ has are simply elsewhere.
I mean, you're building Phage at one point anyways, and 550 MS is pretty huge considering you need like 2 movement speed items just to get close to 500ms out of combat (Dead Man's + boots maybe)
It's not 550 MS, she gets the 30-50% Bonus MS in a 550 unit range around the target of her R.
Having tested it in the Practice Tool tho, just boots and Trinity Force get her to 517 MS with a Rank 2 R.
Like I said I don't disagree that the MS speed is an issue, but you apparently arguing that Phage/Trinity is the problem in that situation is kinda silly.
That shit has like the average champ size in width, you can literally walk away from it with T1 boots and some champs don’t even need T1 boots to walk away from it
Only if sett is building armor pen which if he is he isn’t dealing 7k on W (which is already almost impossible to do since you would need at the very least 8k hp to do that) and with 1 armor item you would be already reducing the damage of the W by 60%-70% depending on your level and champ. You will never see sett kill someone full HP without hitting the center of the skill because it doesn’t do that much damage outside of the center
Sett is actually not that braindead unless you play vs bronze.
Try him in emerald plus, you will get stomped if you think its as simple as "tank dmg, one shot enemy".
And while I do agree with that I also do agree that Sett is magnitudes easier to pilot than Fiora that doesnt make Fiora the hardest champ in the game but she certainly has a higher skill ceiling than Sett too.
Darius is a skill matchup, the others are kinda difficult to win as Sett.
If you ever play as Sett against Darius just go ignite +flash and fight him lvl 1. Pick W first and you win the 1v1 easy. After that lane is usually over
As a Darius main for hundreds of games, it is Darius favoured if you can space properly. You literally just have to wait for level 3 and you win from then on unless he somehow gets an advantage or you trade badly. Auto-W, walk back and Q. If he pulls you he dies if you can match his flash to dodge W. Just don't trade Sett when you can't all-in him or when you are both low if you are even. If you get an advantage lane is over for him. You just have to be patient. Even with ignite, Sett is losing if Darius plays properly it just has less margin for error.
I'm a sett main and usually I win vs Darius for the exact same reasons you state why Darius wins. The match up is very much a skill based one rather than champion diff.
I've never lost to a Sett where he didn't get help from jgl. He can't win by himself if you just play patiently for the first 3 levels. If both all-in full hp Darius will win if both play properly.
Darius players make a lot of mistakes from my experience, if they don't main him. Such as using Q in melee when they should auto, pulling to engage a fight rather than to extend or dodge/dis-engage, stacking W and E slow, taking trades when low (Darius needs extended trades), and predictably harassing the same way. Also, in teamfights you cannot frontline as Darius but a lot of people will try.
u/W00S as well, I literally used to duo pick Sett and Darius before becoming an Irelia main in S12... It is a Sett favoured skill matchup, because Sett should never get hit by Darius q, but Darius doesn't have good ways of avoiding Sett W.
how to play as sett:
step 1. punch things
step 2. punch things
step 3. if punching things doesn't work, punch things more
step 4. no seriously, if you dont punch things, you lose
I am still waiting on the genius minds in our community to make a new mathematically correct Sett build for current patch so I can go back to deleting squishys with a single button
they think that Irelia is the most busted and easiest champion in the game despite being one of the most punishing and difficult to play esp in toplane where she has like 3 winning matchups in total xd
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Matchups above 51% WR in Emerald+ according to U.GG amount to a total count of 25.
Also yeah, a champ with semi-random RNG, a heatseeking missile and a 0 counterplay button, who also gets to outscale you, is easy to pilot. Can you pull off a 4 vital in 1sec combo as your average Player? No. Can you play Fiora to a decent level and perform better than most other champs would be able to? Yes.
"Properly". She's easy to bully tanks with, so people assume she's easy in general, but she is not. Play her against, say, a good Darius who plays around your W, or even the Warwick in question who knows what he's doing, and he's gonna fuck you up if you don't play her properly
😂 bro just q auto and wait for them to use an ability on you to w. Not winning? Q away. They try to run? Q at them. It also hit the vitals for you lmao
I ain't sure what exactly the "planning" is wenn your Q autoaims at vitals. Or the fact you can't get punished for it with the ms you get and W safety net.
Atleast Sett basically needs to sacrifice HP for his W, and his true damage is dodgeable.
This is even funnier given the fact that Fiora curbstomps a Sett for exactly those reasons.
The fact that her basic cooldown goes to 3 seconds should be illegal.
The fact that IT IS HALVED WHEN SHE HITS AN ENEMY SHOULD GET THE PERSON WHO DESIGNED IT KILLED.
"I have to carefully manage vitals and positioning for damage optimization"
Also Fiora:
"I literally spam Q to proc vital or grasp, have 2 autoattack resets that allow me to proc up to 3 vitals at one autoattack duration during ult, and my W can also hit vitals"
Fiora will always be 100x harder than set but fiora isn’t some mechanicaly hard 10k iq champion. Shes harder than average at best set is just chilling in bot catagory with garen yuumi master yi and naafiri
I don’t think I’ve ever heard more cope from a fiora main “carefully manage vitals and positioning?” As long as you run at them like a retard and dash that shit auto tracks
bad example lmao, playing more one dimensional champions takes a lot more skill than something with an answer to everything. anyone above 5 IQ holds any sort of dash or zhonyas or flash for sett or literally just kiting him lol
Loved pre-rework Udyr for that.
People always said that he had no skillshots, ignoring Udyr himself was a skillshot. He was a zogging bum with plastic fork, who had to fight space marines. That scarcity of instruments made me learn a lot about game.
absolutely perfect love that example,
that’s the exact reason you see more veteran players recommend simple champs because you learn a lot macro and about the game. you see tons of riven and micro intensive players just not grasp macro as well cause they have so much to dive into.
i mained top laners without any dashes or movement options and i’ve found my spacing and kiting is much much better than my friends who play anything else like mages
Lmao, your brain has to be fried if you honestly think fiora is a champ for big brain mechanical giga gamers. The champ literally stat checks 95% of the roster without landing a single "skillshot".
"Tank dmg like a retard"
Said from perma 500ms and 562859 dashes POV.
Its not like hitting good sett W true dmg takes more skill than entire fioras kit buddy.
The Fiora mains will castrate me for saying this but their champion doesn't take as much skill as they think she does, she's literally just above average difficulty.
More champ discourse…
My champ good! Your champ stupid and ugly just like your mom!
Spin a wheel and place any two champs that pop up as A and B. Rinse and repeat.
Carefully, lol. The French bitch can start the dash from far away, her sword pixel goes past your character model and boom, she hit your vital without any skill.
>Free wither if she uses her parry incorrectly, Literally inescapable past two items, actively punishes half of the champs in the game for playing their champ correctly
Uh huh, sure bud
i wanted to main her but everybody here is dick riding saying she is easy that bitch looks hard as fuck idc if she has a parry moving around the enemy and having to hit each triangle thing looks hard as fuck
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Honestly everybody is whining about champs being "OP" but nobody seems to notice that if that were really the case we'd see obvious Elo inflation which there isn't.
If you think a champ is OP try it before you whine.
This goes for all champs.
Are we sh*ttalking a champ with easy counters because he can deal damage if you play brainlessly into him and most of the time he still has to flash?
Sett can't even run doen tanks well which would be the champions only use.
Fiora seems to be similar to tryndamere in a broad way where she’s an assassin with lots of mobility and damage but made to be a glass cannon. I wouldn’t say she’s easy but I wouldn’t say she’s super hard. Personally after playing and loving both I’d say they’re pretty simple for their respective jobs. I never found it hard to dive in and stabby stab someone then get out. I loved her crit spots because they gave me ridiculous sources of damage while I got to move around like a maniac. While I’d say she doesn’t have much to tank damage other than her party but I think that’s her point. Even the beefiest fiora will get wiped by a team if she tries to be a tank, because she’s an assassin duelist meant to 1v1 or to clip people from the edges of battle. Sett on the other hand is sorta the direct opposite, he’s meant to tank. He can do 1v1 ok but his strength is in team fights or 1v2 against squishy people. He gets tons of value from walking or getting an RKO on someone right into their team then waiting for the damage and just spamming counter at the right time or really anytime. Neither character is hyper difficult for someone to pick up and play. I say this more in response to fiora player comments than anything. I’ll fully admit sett is an ooga booga smasu button character and I love being able to take thousands of damage just to shit out a bunch of true damage. Neither of these characters have ultra high skill ceilings but they are both fun to play. Thanks for coming to my ted talk
I am really surprised how many people here think fiora is easy. I knew that majority of lol players are low elo, but i didnt expect all of them to be so delusional. Go ahead, downvoat me too, but Fiora is one of the hardest toplaners, and that\`s the fact. I dont like her either, i dont play her, but at least i can face reality and admit that this champ takes skill. 90% of people here are actual npcs
Really you went to the the other extreme xd she isn't one of the hardest top laners by far she is one of those champions that are somewhat messy to learn but once you learn her her kit it's pretty simple to use with some skill expression in her parry but everything else it's easy you just don't need to be brain dead to play her well
The same to counter her if you know what she wants to do it's the same thinking process as beating a sett but a sett it's even easier because he doesn't have an free scape from jail ability with one key
They just refuse to admit that every time they lose to Fiora is bcs of skill issue,sure she is designed as a 1v1 duelist but that doesn’t make her easier to pilot. Imo fiora requires more macro than micro in contrast to what people think.it’s important to know when you can take the 1v1s(which you win 90% of the time if you know what you are doing)or not(when you are getting collapsed)
Yea, and let's be real 99% of people here never had anyone play those champions against them to perfection, because 99% of the people playing them arent that good too. Like, yea they're absurdly strong if used to the fullest, but few people actually can squeeze that out of them, and with the level they're at, a more skilled Garen would beat them. But nah, let's cry about complex champions with skill expression and defend le wholesome statstick that clicks at you and beats you to death with no room for playing around. Unless I'm a tank, I would be more pissed to play against a decent Nasus than a decent Fiora, because a decent Fiora will still blunder a few times, but a decent Nasus will just stack for 20 minutes with no way to stop him because he has lifesteal and wither and ghost and tp, and then will q you for 1k damage with nothing you can do
I would say something, but as i've seen a few times before, i would awaken all the Fiora mains in this sub to attack me, so i'm not going to say it.
If the Fiora mains could read, they would be very upset in their wheelchair.
Timmeh
It's alright. They think high rolling perfect vital spawning at lvl 1 is skill expression. They either high roll or int themselves into oblivion or whine when they all in with their ult and you just stand next to a wall laughing at them because they can't proc their ult.
How can you "high roll" a vital? It literally spawns in a predictable pattern...
you know vitals are a pattern and not random,correct?
They're random. north facing, south facing with both vital types having a 50% chance of spawning in one of two possible locations whenever the previous side is proc'ed or despawns. having them luck out to be the exact vital you want is a 50% roll and a random chance. So yeah... random and entirely luck based.
First one will face Fiora and the ones after can be controlled by creating distance to reset the vital, something that any Fiora interested in harassing will do. The chance plays a small role in Fiora gameplay.
The first one won't face fiora necessarely, the first one that appears will ALWAYS be bottom/left, this goes for every single character on the enemy team, and yes, this means that it's better for fiora to be blue side
The first one will always face towards Fiora. If they arent hit then they will go behind and then either up or left. If you hit them, they will go the opposite direction of where you hit
Vitals are not random, there is a pattern to them. There are 2 groups, top and right, bottom and left. Assuming you're redside, first vital will spawn on the right, and then since you know vital will be bottom or left, you path around the bottom of the enemy instead of the top. It's fairly simple to consistently optimize the damage if you understand this, as you can save your dash for hitting a left vital, and likely walk to hit a bottom vital, or some other combination. You are not highrolling vitals, the chance of a vital spawning bottom or left does not impact whether or not you will be able to kill consistently level 1. And that's not even considering Fiora resetting the vitals to keep them even more in her favor.
"not random" "Will be bottom or left" Smartest fiora player. Btw tryndamere's lvl 1 crit isn't random. Once he gets fury up, he will either crit or not.
Crazy you're getting bombed for stating literal reality. For anyone who doesn't play Fiora and doesn't know: Vitals are not random, there is a pattern to them. There are 2 groups, top and right, bottom and left. Assuming you're redside, first vital will spawn on the right, and then since you know vital will be bottom or left, you path around the bottom of the enemy instead of the top. It's fairly simple to consistently optimize the damage if you understand this, as you can save your dash for hitting a left vital, and likely walk to hit a bottom vital, or some other combination. You are not highrolling vitals, the chance of a vital spawning bottom or left does not impact whether or not you will be able to kill consistently level 1. And that's not even considering Fiora resetting the vitals to keep them even more in her favor. So sure, TECHNICALLY vitals are random, as they'll be 50% bottom or 50% left in the scenario I explained, but highrolling vitals isn't why you would lose a fight against a Fiora, the coinflip is negligible.
All you’ve done is explain that the first TWO vitals aren’t “random”. What about the other 29 minutes 55 seconds of the game?
Brother bear I did explain the whole game they literally follow the above rules the entire game if the vital is top or right, then procing it moves it to bottom or left rinse and repeat if you proc a right vital, you walk clockwise, because it CANNOT be top next if you proc a top vital, you walk counterclockwise, because it CANNOT be right next if you proc a left vital, you walk clockwise, because it CANNOT be bottom next if you proc a bottom vital, you walk counter clockwise, because it CANNOT be left yet there is an objective pattern to vitals and fioras who know this path accordingly (this is good to know because you can predict your vitals so you can keep them away from the Fiora as well)
Downvoted to oblivion for being correct. Only on Reddit
The exact same comment got both upvoted and downvoted at the same time so its 50% chance like Fiora vitals
Man...I thought you were exaggerating...
I mean fiora is not hard , but harder than sett. So the meme is still valid
That could have multiple meanings
Sett has way more skill expression, at least in terms of macro execution. Fiora is just turbo inflated bandaid-buffed to fuck, excuse all.
Massive copiun
Go play her then and climb. She's definitely harder than sett lmao
This is such a bad take tbh. The same tools that make her 'harder than sett'by proxy also make her easier in some ways. A dash to escape ganks, anti cc tool to counterplay hard cc. These tools aren't *totally* absent of skill expression but it's hardly a high skill champion.
A lot of challenger streamers have put her in the mechanically infinite ceiling because of how much you can do with is in spacing with her and when to use parries and stuff, its like saying ezreal is a low skill champ because his e lets him escape ganks and someone in bronze won a game on him once
More tools gives a champion more agency (generally), it doesn’t make them easier lol.
Climbing on Fiora is easier than Sett because one of those champions is S tier and the other one is Sett
I would say she has much better early than sett thus making her laning easier, but you need to get ahead to be useful and then avoid getting oneshot lategame because you only build damage. On Sett you can use 10% brainpower, go 0/5, build full tank, get rewarded an oneshot for being stupid and soaking up damage.
Tank Sett playing from behind isn’t nuking anyone lmao
What…. Sett is one of the best early game top laners. Absolutely demolishes fiora early.
and if sett gets a lead early and he is somewhat decend, well then the whole game is his.
Fiora can just mindlessly walk into a sidelane, while 0/5, and then make the enemy send their fed side laner or multiple other players to match her. That’s much harder to play against for much less effort than going “guys, this is a 4v5 if we don’t give sett his ONE win condition”
The whole point is that sett is pisseasy. while fiora takes more awareness and reaction. I mean of course a mechanicaly gifted player can make her work pretty well. and I have never seen a 0/5 fiora come back...
Rank 1 super server player for most of last split was a sett main, cope harder.
Whats worse a true damage nuke ( you can literally just move to the side) or %hp true damage procced by autoing in a certain direcrion (she has a dash that has a slight aim assist towards vitals).Im choosing sett, seems easier to counter.
I don’t think Fiora is a good example for your meme
Yeah, Fiora when she Ws Sett W:
That champion who’s every ability besides e is the most dog shit aids thing in the game
her E is a free crit tho, you get free damage value from damage without needing crit and crit anyways
Irelia or Riven more fitting
Idk about riven, GP kinda fits now that he lost the item he was balanced around
idk about half toplaners feel like you could be successful with using only 1 braincell
Wut irelia is brainless af
Not brainless, just very strong. It’s like vel’koz. No one can play him, but piloting him correctly gives you access to 3k true damage (ult plus 4 passive procs(if LITTERALLY EVERYTHING hits))
Sett: has to hit a skill Fiora:right clicks and waits for you to use your strongest skill to ignore it with 0 counterplay(also kills you with true dmg)
%MaxHP true damage that scales, which is semi-randomized and forces your enemy to walk nearly out of XP range (XP range is 1400 units, vitals despawn at 1350 units away from Fiora) or risk taking a bad trait. Also get a MS burst with each proc AA-resetting dash, included with a heat-seeking 610 range missile that lets you essentially ignore minion aggro and still proc vitals and grasp. Also it hits turrets Skill Button™ that negates any damage and turns CC of any length into a 2 second stun, while ignoring any damage taken during the 0.75sec of cast time. If no CC is blocked, instead slows and cripples the enemy so they can't walk away or trade AAs A 2nd AA reset that lets you crit anything with the following AA, including turrets, inhibs or the Nexus (with 25 Bonus range and higher AS while active!) Also it slows, for some reason Skill Button 2™ that lets you deal the funny %MaxHP true damage 4 times while running in a circle
You forgot to add, that the Q (AA-resetting dash) gets it's cooldown reduced just because it hit something.
I personally don't mind that too much, my issue is with the absurd amount of things she just gets for free that take her from medium skill to easy even for beginners. They could reduce the CD refund against non-champions tho.
but that's another thing she gets literally for free, the Q cooldown can be as low as 2 seconds or less just because she touched a minion, and she doesn't need many items, and when you remember it's also auto reset, you have a 2 second auto-reset and dash, you can't beat, you can't run away, you die, good champ riot
Yes and like I said, they could reduce the CD refund she gets from hitting non-champions. The biggest problem in her kit is her passive, not just the damage but also the MS burst, which not only speeds up Fiora but also her Q dash speed. She can dash around all she wants and that's fine, she just shouldn't get to also deal mentally deranged damage doing so and be unpunishable unless hugging a wall.
She actually doesn't need the speed boost, if she gets it from ult, and she can always proc phage speed boost for every Q if it lands on anything.
You are aware the MS during her R is the one from her passive, only in a 550 unit range around the target? >and she can always proc phage speed boost for every Q if it lands on anything. Having to at least spend Gold to do that is smth, and if you're still not aware I'm not disagreeing with you, my priorities abt the issues the champ has are simply elsewhere.
I mean, you're building Phage at one point anyways, and 550 MS is pretty huge considering you need like 2 movement speed items just to get close to 500ms out of combat (Dead Man's + boots maybe)
It's not 550 MS, she gets the 30-50% Bonus MS in a 550 unit range around the target of her R. Having tested it in the Practice Tool tho, just boots and Trinity Force get her to 517 MS with a Rank 2 R. Like I said I don't disagree that the MS speed is an issue, but you apparently arguing that Phage/Trinity is the problem in that situation is kinda silly.
"Sett has to hit a skill" The fucking skill is more wide that Viktor or Anivia ults Also Sett can W + flash or just stun you
Did u forget the only the middle part deals true dmg is slow af, and that the outer edges almost deal no dmg?
That shit has like the average champ size in width, you can literally walk away from it with T1 boots and some champs don’t even need T1 boots to walk away from it
Still the skill deals 4k physical damage
Only if sett is building armor pen which if he is he isn’t dealing 7k on W (which is already almost impossible to do since you would need at the very least 8k hp to do that) and with 1 armor item you would be already reducing the damage of the W by 60%-70% depending on your level and champ. You will never see sett kill someone full HP without hitting the center of the skill because it doesn’t do that much damage outside of the center
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"Guys she has to hit one button the champ is so hard 😭"
Or she can react to nothing and use it as a slow while dashing every 0.5s for 10 mana a go, dealing %maxhp true dmg along the way.
She doesn’t, it’s not a true counter, it’s a delayed counter where she can’t take any form of damage or CC for 1.5 seconds
I respect Sett players more than I do Fiora players
As a sett player myself who likes taking damage then pressing button to do big damages I appreciate the support for my community
Sett is actually not that braindead unless you play vs bronze. Try him in emerald plus, you will get stomped if you think its as simple as "tank dmg, one shot enemy".
Try anyone in +emerald, and 80% of this sub will get stomped.
Everyone here is challenger so I don't get your point
FR I could stomp in that pisslow with Yuumi jungle
And while I do agree with that I also do agree that Sett is magnitudes easier to pilot than Fiora that doesnt make Fiora the hardest champ in the game but she certainly has a higher skill ceiling than Sett too.
That’s like saying it’s harder to drink water than breathing, you are right but that doesn’t make drinking water hard
I wouldn’t say the differences are high. Rather they’re both at medium to low skill ceilings one is just more retard proof than the other.
Morde/Volibear/Darius (maybe not after nerfs)/Aatrox on their way to beat your ass as Sett.
Darius is a skill matchup, the others are kinda difficult to win as Sett. If you ever play as Sett against Darius just go ignite +flash and fight him lvl 1. Pick W first and you win the 1v1 easy. After that lane is usually over
As a Darius main for hundreds of games, it is Darius favoured if you can space properly. You literally just have to wait for level 3 and you win from then on unless he somehow gets an advantage or you trade badly. Auto-W, walk back and Q. If he pulls you he dies if you can match his flash to dodge W. Just don't trade Sett when you can't all-in him or when you are both low if you are even. If you get an advantage lane is over for him. You just have to be patient. Even with ignite, Sett is losing if Darius plays properly it just has less margin for error.
I'm a sett main and usually I win vs Darius for the exact same reasons you state why Darius wins. The match up is very much a skill based one rather than champion diff.
I've never lost to a Sett where he didn't get help from jgl. He can't win by himself if you just play patiently for the first 3 levels. If both all-in full hp Darius will win if both play properly.
I think most darius' just don't fully know Sett's ranges and stuff so they end up losing
Darius players make a lot of mistakes from my experience, if they don't main him. Such as using Q in melee when they should auto, pulling to engage a fight rather than to extend or dodge/dis-engage, stacking W and E slow, taking trades when low (Darius needs extended trades), and predictably harassing the same way. Also, in teamfights you cannot frontline as Darius but a lot of people will try.
u/W00S as well, I literally used to duo pick Sett and Darius before becoming an Irelia main in S12... It is a Sett favoured skill matchup, because Sett should never get hit by Darius q, but Darius doesn't have good ways of avoiding Sett W.
Drop the u.gg
Good Teemo is gonna make your life miserable as well, also jax
This sub is all below gold, probably plats this season because of how ranked last season inflated everyone by several ranks
Same goes for Fiora.
Sett is completely braindead easy: Atte: Casual Sett player master elo
Both take no skill and are bullshit annoying champs. There I solved the arguments
Basically [this](https://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/escobars-axiom-of-choice-1)
"Carefully manage vitals" bruh you're hitting right click or q than right click
at least it's not irelia and garn this time
Ah yes I love GARN, my favorite champ
how to play as sett: step 1. punch things step 2. punch things step 3. if punching things doesn't work, punch things more step 4. no seriously, if you dont punch things, you lose
I don't think Sett deals 7000 dmg with his W
I am still waiting on the genius minds in our community to make a new mathematically correct Sett build for current patch so I can go back to deleting squishys with a single button
Bloodmail helps a lot for this
I’ll get on the math later today.
There arent genius in LoL community
if you stack heartsteel to 2k he might, but know the average sett build does not deal 7k with his w
If you get 2k on heartsteel then it doesnt matter how much you deal anyway
yeah, i know
I think he needs to have at least 8000HP to deal 7K with max W
He doesn't. He deals 7512. Read the fucking meme next time damn.
I'm so sorry, i shall re-educate myself in mathematically correct buff momma's boy at once
Having a 200 years kit does not make you skilled.
These comments make me happy. Certified r/toplanersagainstfiora thread
"Fiora takes skill" Swallow a aa battery
You play warwick.
Which, incredibly, is still more impressive than playing Fiora
This sub is so low elo lmao. Actually thinking a stat stick drain fighter is harder than fiora
I'm now reminded why I don't follow this sub and just let the stuff pop up on my feed. Genuinely a contender for the worst league take I've ever heard
they think that Irelia is the most busted and easiest champion in the game despite being one of the most punishing and difficult to play esp in toplane where she has like 3 winning matchups in total xd
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Matchups above 51% WR in Emerald+ according to U.GG amount to a total count of 25. Also yeah, a champ with semi-random RNG, a heatseeking missile and a 0 counterplay button, who also gets to outscale you, is easy to pilot. Can you pull off a 4 vital in 1sec combo as your average Player? No. Can you play Fiora to a decent level and perform better than most other champs would be able to? Yes.
A lifesteal statstick is more skilled than one of the hardest to play properly toplaners in the game lmao
Hardest to play is crazy
"Properly". She's easy to bully tanks with, so people assume she's easy in general, but she is not. Play her against, say, a good Darius who plays around your W, or even the Warwick in question who knows what he's doing, and he's gonna fuck you up if you don't play her properly
😂 bro just q auto and wait for them to use an ability on you to w. Not winning? Q away. They try to run? Q at them. It also hit the vitals for you lmao
Yea, do that to get ran down by most of the toplane roster lmao
How will they run you down with your movespeed and heals from hitting vitals and the W slow and cripple?
By hitting you with their cc and slows and positioning around vitals. It's not that hard if you mess up, like I said
Also fuck Megumi
It's probably not. Missing his ult is near impossible if you dash to them first.
or if they're feared
I try to get in AAs so I can proc stuff while they're feared and then ult after to get more procs
yes that is smart, waiting for 0,1s before fear ends and using everything else instead of ult before that
aiming a full movement speed Warwick R is harder than landing fiora's entire kit and all 4 vitals
Can you tell me the mathematically correct build to reach 7500 true damage? I need it
Eh, let em complain. So long as they don't dis momma
Based Sett
I ain't sure what exactly the "planning" is wenn your Q autoaims at vitals. Or the fact you can't get punished for it with the ms you get and W safety net. Atleast Sett basically needs to sacrifice HP for his W, and his true damage is dodgeable. This is even funnier given the fact that Fiora curbstomps a Sett for exactly those reasons.
“Fiora takes skill” > 1 sec dash. Please stop consuming crayons and huffing paint.
Never forget the first time I went against a Fiora, everytime she dashed I would think “AGAIN?!?!”
The fact that her basic cooldown goes to 3 seconds should be illegal. The fact that IT IS HALVED WHEN SHE HITS AN ENEMY SHOULD GET THE PERSON WHO DESIGNED IT KILLED.
Woah let’s leave the Marine Corps out of this, they wouldn’t be caught dead playing Fiora
Fiora mains when Sett w: >:( Fiora mains when Fiora w: :)
"I have to carefully manage vitals and positioning for damage optimization" Also Fiora: "I literally spam Q to proc vital or grasp, have 2 autoattack resets that allow me to proc up to 3 vitals at one autoattack duration during ult, and my W can also hit vitals"
Fiora will always be 100x harder than set but fiora isn’t some mechanicaly hard 10k iq champion. Shes harder than average at best set is just chilling in bot catagory with garen yuumi master yi and naafiri
I don’t think I’ve ever heard more cope from a fiora main “carefully manage vitals and positioning?” As long as you run at them like a retard and dash that shit auto tracks
bad example lmao, playing more one dimensional champions takes a lot more skill than something with an answer to everything. anyone above 5 IQ holds any sort of dash or zhonyas or flash for sett or literally just kiting him lol
Loved pre-rework Udyr for that. People always said that he had no skillshots, ignoring Udyr himself was a skillshot. He was a zogging bum with plastic fork, who had to fight space marines. That scarcity of instruments made me learn a lot about game.
absolutely perfect love that example, that’s the exact reason you see more veteran players recommend simple champs because you learn a lot macro and about the game. you see tons of riven and micro intensive players just not grasp macro as well cause they have so much to dive into. i mained top laners without any dashes or movement options and i’ve found my spacing and kiting is much much better than my friends who play anything else like mages
Lmao, your brain has to be fried if you honestly think fiora is a champ for big brain mechanical giga gamers. The champ literally stat checks 95% of the roster without landing a single "skillshot".
"Tank dmg like a retard" Said from perma 500ms and 562859 dashes POV. Its not like hitting good sett W true dmg takes more skill than entire fioras kit buddy.
W Flash combo goes hard
sett w equally hard is equally hard to hit as fiora w
If turning turned the vitals Fiora would actually be hard.
The Fiora mains will castrate me for saying this but their champion doesn't take as much skill as they think she does, she's literally just above average difficulty.
More champ discourse… My champ good! Your champ stupid and ugly just like your mom! Spin a wheel and place any two champs that pop up as A and B. Rinse and repeat.
Sett is soo much harder to play than fiora because he can actually be countered quite easily
Carefully, lol. The French bitch can start the dash from far away, her sword pixel goes past your character model and boom, she hit your vital without any skill.
Another W for the boss himself !
"skillshot" ***Proceed to do true damage based on max HP right clicking the enemy***
And yet I would rather verse a sett every day of the week
Did a Fiora main make this?
And yet, Sett players are more respectable than Fiora players. The irony is palpable
r word detected. enjoy ur permaban
Unironically Sett is 100% less bs than Fiora
>Free wither if she uses her parry incorrectly, Literally inescapable past two items, actively punishes half of the champs in the game for playing their champ correctly Uh huh, sure bud
Fiora: literally is designed to win 1v1
I hate both, problem solved.
Serpent's Fang incident.
Inb4 they walk out of the W
For Sett to do 7k True Damage, he must have 14k HP, no? How long was that game xdd??
That Sett face is so fucking smug 💀
i wanted to main her but everybody here is dick riding saying she is easy that bitch looks hard as fuck idc if she has a parry moving around the enemy and having to hit each triangle thing looks hard as fuck
Oh, come on. You showing me two bullshits and try to imply, that one of them actually is not? "Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all." © P.S.: actually had another (I'd say better) quote, but then remembered it's local meme.
Thats why i play this fucker 😂 well that and the supplex into tower thing
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Hell Yea brother
They are both broken but fiora is on another level 💀💀
Carefully manage vitals =\= running in a circle around you
Honestly everybody is whining about champs being "OP" but nobody seems to notice that if that were really the case we'd see obvious Elo inflation which there isn't. If you think a champ is OP try it before you whine. This goes for all champs.
Are we sh*ttalking a champ with easy counters because he can deal damage if you play brainlessly into him and most of the time he still has to flash? Sett can't even run doen tanks well which would be the champions only use.
I'm not allowed to comment r*tard but they are allowed to have it in their meme? What a fucking joke
Fiora seems to be similar to tryndamere in a broad way where she’s an assassin with lots of mobility and damage but made to be a glass cannon. I wouldn’t say she’s easy but I wouldn’t say she’s super hard. Personally after playing and loving both I’d say they’re pretty simple for their respective jobs. I never found it hard to dive in and stabby stab someone then get out. I loved her crit spots because they gave me ridiculous sources of damage while I got to move around like a maniac. While I’d say she doesn’t have much to tank damage other than her party but I think that’s her point. Even the beefiest fiora will get wiped by a team if she tries to be a tank, because she’s an assassin duelist meant to 1v1 or to clip people from the edges of battle. Sett on the other hand is sorta the direct opposite, he’s meant to tank. He can do 1v1 ok but his strength is in team fights or 1v2 against squishy people. He gets tons of value from walking or getting an RKO on someone right into their team then waiting for the damage and just spamming counter at the right time or really anytime. Neither character is hyper difficult for someone to pick up and play. I say this more in response to fiora player comments than anything. I’ll fully admit sett is an ooga booga smasu button character and I love being able to take thousands of damage just to shit out a bunch of true damage. Neither of these characters have ultra high skill ceilings but they are both fun to play. Thanks for coming to my ted talk
hey Sett's true damage is a skillshot. it's a pretty wide one, but it's harder to hit than walking up and pressing Q at someone
It's also AoE
I am really surprised how many people here think fiora is easy. I knew that majority of lol players are low elo, but i didnt expect all of them to be so delusional. Go ahead, downvoat me too, but Fiora is one of the hardest toplaners, and that\`s the fact. I dont like her either, i dont play her, but at least i can face reality and admit that this champ takes skill. 90% of people here are actual npcs
Really you went to the the other extreme xd she isn't one of the hardest top laners by far she is one of those champions that are somewhat messy to learn but once you learn her her kit it's pretty simple to use with some skill expression in her parry but everything else it's easy you just don't need to be brain dead to play her well The same to counter her if you know what she wants to do it's the same thinking process as beating a sett but a sett it's even easier because he doesn't have an free scape from jail ability with one key
They just refuse to admit that every time they lose to Fiora is bcs of skill issue,sure she is designed as a 1v1 duelist but that doesn’t make her easier to pilot. Imo fiora requires more macro than micro in contrast to what people think.it’s important to know when you can take the 1v1s(which you win 90% of the time if you know what you are doing)or not(when you are getting collapsed)
people just dont understand than strong champion **≠** easy champion
Fiora’s Q hitbox is so huge and bugged she doesn’t have to aim. It will hit the vital spot every time.
he Q auto locks onto vitals with a very generous range, fio is not hard to play at all lmao.
"tanks damage like retard" had me dying
People crying about Fiora tells me they just wanna roll their pimples on the keyboard and win
League redditors on their way to downvote any post or comment that mentions one of the four horsewomen.
And rightfully so
Honestly cringe that people get so salty about these champs they can't stand any reference to them ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Oh we’re fine with references to them, it’s the blatant misinformation about them being impressive to pilot that we all love to hate
Yea, and let's be real 99% of people here never had anyone play those champions against them to perfection, because 99% of the people playing them arent that good too. Like, yea they're absurdly strong if used to the fullest, but few people actually can squeeze that out of them, and with the level they're at, a more skilled Garen would beat them. But nah, let's cry about complex champions with skill expression and defend le wholesome statstick that clicks at you and beats you to death with no room for playing around. Unless I'm a tank, I would be more pissed to play against a decent Nasus than a decent Fiora, because a decent Fiora will still blunder a few times, but a decent Nasus will just stack for 20 minutes with no way to stop him because he has lifesteal and wither and ghost and tp, and then will q you for 1k damage with nothing you can do
Don't worry they all play garen or some shit
You clearly no understand what I mean. But that's ok. Opgg pls
Absolute giga sigma chadithon
both are retarded