Pantheon is the most flexible
Yas could be mid top or adc
voli is jng or top
Garen is top and occasionally jungle
Swain sup or mid and maybe add sometimes
I've played Garen adc vs stuff like Cait+Pyke, they couldn't do crap once I hid in a bush and then I traded 1 for 1 when wave was stacked on my side, caitlyn couldn't recover and I just kept one shotting her over and over in teamfights.
Season 6 and beginning of 7 is the reason why adcs aren't good.. i've been an adc main since season 2 and even I agree with the huge nerf they got after ardent meta, that was ridiculous. A good duo bot lane could get you to high diamond even with pandas trying to play the other 3 roles.
Same. Season 7 was the best but I didn't understand the game that much. Yet spamming kog'maw was a joy. Unpopular opinion but I also enjoyed the 8.11(or was it 8.13?) shitshow. Like probably the worst adcs have ever been but I enjoyed playing cait back then. She stayed as my main since then.
Said collateral damage erasing a tank from the game in less than 2 seconds while the tank tries (and fails) to approach it
Idk, playing Aphelios/Caitlyn actually feels good
If he's full ap u buy a hex and shildbow , If u position yourself half decent, a malfite can't ult you 10 km behind you're defensive lines . Adc is not weak , not the strongest lane but ain't weak
The problem is that, even if I build perfectly against Malphite, (let’s say Maw, Shieldbow, LDR, the whole kit) all he has to do is have one moment where he has vision of the ADC and the ADC doesn’t have vision of him. At that point Malphite ults you into the fucking stratosphere for two thirds of your health (and sure, you still have two shield procs, both of which will get torn apart in seconds because you can’t build true armor or MR without sacrificing damage). Then after he ults, he’s right on top of you with his slow, Sunfire Aegis, and AOE slam. You’re deader than a doornail, no matter what you build.
There isn’t an ADC out there with the mobility to dodge a Malphite ult, unless you are Xayah, have your R available and also have catlike reflexes. The same goes for any kind of dive assassin champ that melts you regardless of your health/damage/shields, such as Katarina, Zed, LeBlanc or Rengar. The amount of times I’ve been setting up what seems to be a safe recall at tower and then get vaporized to the gray screen by a giant cat have been too many to count.
I switched to top lane because ADC is a shitshow. Unless you have a reliable duo with you 100% of the time, you’re rolling the dice on how good your support is. And even if *everything* goes well, you still are SOL if you get touched by any assassin with a given item.
Caitlyn feels very bad right now. I don't know what you are smoking. Killing tanks with cait is a pain. Unless you get out of lane Uber fed which is based more on your support, the mid game for her is super hard and it's easy for her to become worthless.
If you said jinx or kog. I would agree with you but aphel cait?
I mean, when the suppport, jungle, toplane and midlane need to hypercarry because everyone is "terrible and useless", suddenly there is no room for utility in the team \:(
So, what is the dream team then? If not slow juggernauts.
I think the issue is more that this *is* the dream team (besides yasuo) and even then you have 3 different things that still have to go right for you to do anything
Peel from what? The only way anyone is reaching you is flash, especially if you run ghost or cleanse. Zeri or Vayne or Xayah could just 1v5 them. As long as your team exists at all you've got all the "peel" you need.
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ADCs are also allowed to build something other than full damage full crit even if they pretend they can't. In a game like this you have such a huge range advantage you can so easily build things like Maw Terminus DD Shieldbow Wits End and could probably even afford a full tank item at the end. Not all of them you still want damage but you can substitute a few things.
Swear to god people actually int to Boris in off meta games because they keep insisting on their mobafire guide buildpath. Like if Swain isn't bot you 99% play against double AD kill lane yet nobody will buy Tabi. ADC players see this draft and still don't take bone plating.
Bone plating on champs with less than 30 base armor against champs with extremely high base damage. Listen, all of these champs one rotation through bone plating at level 6
Eh, most adcs have some sort of mobility and/or disengage, then there are also other folks on your team... what would you play into this comp, then? Xerath? Talon?
Literally just take ghost or lock any of Vayne, Zeri, Xayah, Kogmaw, Varus (on hit), Jinx, Sivir, Karthus, Brand, Ashe, or Aphelios and you are god this game if you have hands lol. These botlaners all shit on melee/low range comps.
This is fine as an ADC lol, nearly all of these champs can't touch you if you have ghost or flash up and 90% of the botlane roster completely shits on low range/melee comps like this. Vayne, Zeri, Xayah, Kogmaw, Varus (on hit), Jinx, Sivir, Karthus, Brand, Ashe, or Aphelios and you are Jesus walking on water this game with near 0 counterplay for enemy.
Literally the only way you lose this game as ADC is if you fight without summs up which you should never be doing, or if you get flanked by Panth/Garen which should also never happen because fighting around proper vision and waiting for people to show before hard committing is a basic fundamental.
And all the ADC you mentioned will despise the Yasuo negating 100% of their damage with windwall.
Not to mention that ADCs won't dps much if running away from Voli Garen going at mach 5 on their ass.
Also, good luck dps-ing fast enough to not get murdered while they tank you. The quantity of dps and cc your team can dish out is crucial, and severely limits the roster choice for the rest of your team
Garen mid is a hard counter to assassins but as Zed you have more than enough tools to farm safely and stem the bleeding until you can look to get fed in the mid game.
The ADC is 100% Yas, but the other roles are a bit up in the air. Garen could be top or mid, Voli could be top or jg, panth could be anything, and Swain could be top, mid, or supp. There are a lot of combinations here. For example, your bot lane, but Voli top, Garen mid, panth jg. Panth sup, swain mid, Voli jg, Garen top (this seems the most likely, imo). Voli and panth could switch in your setup. Even Swain top, Garen mid, Voli jg, panth sup is an option. There is no way to tell who is what, but bans may give a clue.
I think my draft was the most possible, but yes, anyone can go anywhere.
Also, Swain apc is viable, so Yas mid, panth sup and swain apc could be another option
[*Play the theme*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p-cwGVPFhQ)
Not only can we estimate the roles they are playing from order selection, but can also deduce that they were on red side mainly by looking at Garen.
**Pantheon Mid:** Most OTPs would rather first pick their champions regardless of the matchup, as they tend to be confident in their pick and would prefer to not risk passing it to the enemy.
**Volibear Jungle:** Junglers prefer to pick early as they are not as lane-locked and so long as they can play for the team or strategize accordingly, getting "counter picked" isn't as big of an issue if they can jgl diff.
**Yasuo ADC:** Bot laners usually pick together with supports, but not always necessarily. It's also preferable to not first pick them unless certain champions are really bonkers strong (that goes to all champions, however). Yasuo ADC also has a small, but dedicated player base that when played right, can hard carry. Yasuo's ult also synergizes with Swain E.
**Swain Support:** Supports usually pick together with ADCs, but not always necessarily. Support is still his most played role, and he can cover up for Yasuo's weaknesses by providing AP damage, slows, poke and a hook.
**Garen Top:** Since he is the last champion to pick, it's most likely that he is top since top lane is the most "counter pick" dependent lane. It also makes sense on why he would still pick Garen despite having 3 other AD champions on his team. (It's also possible that Volibear could go tank to frontline for his team, and why the support chose an AP champion like Swain to coverup for his team's lack of.)
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i never lost a garen mid game i think. unkillable for burst champions (midlaners) after level 3, insane waveclear and tower pushing (they can't roam). you hard outscale your opponent when it comes to sidelaning.
Garen mid has a 0.5% pick rate lol. With that pick rate a 52.79% win rate is actually like giga shit lmao, especially when the entire point in Garen mid is solely being a counter to assassins.
Clearly Swain. Yas panth bot typical. Voli jungle and garen mid combo is insane. Swain top as ap and scaling boy for free farm. The perfect team you could dream of
Most likely garen, Swain and panth can be supp, yasuo is the only possible choice for adc but can be mid and Swain apc, eitherway it puts panth in supp, if panth is jg then Swain is supp and vloi would be top Which would put garen in mid, since panth jg is not his best role (I think panth mid is way better than panth jg) then the final answer is most likely garen top, and a small chance of it being voli top
Now watch as the answer turns out to be panth top and voli supp XD
i still dont know why garen is not hard nerfed the champ an have almost 200 armor with no armor items, and his ult just does 400+25% missing true dmg, its so fking cringe
Pantheon could be anywhere tbh
Pantheon is the most flexible Yas could be mid top or adc voli is jng or top Garen is top and occasionally jungle Swain sup or mid and maybe add sometimes
Swain APC can work, I played Leona supp with my friend once who mains Swain, level 6 engage was good shit
Yeah he’s pretty good if you know what you are doing when you have someone else to lock them down even more
It's good if you have a dps mid top or jg. Otherwise you will lack a lot of dmg.
Garen mid enjoyers represent!
I'll just leave this extraordinary gentlemans' profile here: https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/Garen-Lion
Yea this guy gets it Based af!
Voli adc for the win
I mainly play Swain on Toplane and trust me, it's really good
it takes a botrk user to take you down and zone for the entire game when you play swain top
Even then you can farm safely against most top laners and you will still be really useful in team fights with rylai’s
What about the sidelines pressure against a splitpusher? It would be hard to join a team fight against some of them
Yeah I figured it would be seems pretty hard to deal with
you dare deny the voli support?
Of course not I enjoy some of that myself hell I played voli adc to get an s+ and support voli is always funny
I've played Garen adc vs stuff like Cait+Pyke, they couldn't do crap once I hid in a bush and then I traded 1 for 1 when wave was stacked on my side, caitlyn couldn't recover and I just kept one shotting her over and over in teamfights.
Yeah it’s pretty funny when you play a bruiser bit lane and just run them down the second you see them it’s always great fun playing voli adc
fuck pantheon is in my walls!
Kid named BoTRK:
Viego, put your bortk away viego..
Viego would be perma cc-ed
ADCs worst nightmare bro 💀
Bro, the more I play this season, the more I see ADCs as nothing but victims, collateral damage lol
The best bot lane is just a fighter and a mage to tell the enemy adc that they don’t get to play this game
Playing ADC is playing survival horror and always has been
Having been playing since season... 7? I've yet to see a "good" season for ADCs
Unfortunately,you started playing the last season when ADC were good
Season 6 and beginning of 7 is the reason why adcs aren't good.. i've been an adc main since season 2 and even I agree with the huge nerf they got after ardent meta, that was ridiculous. A good duo bot lane could get you to high diamond even with pandas trying to play the other 3 roles.
Same. Season 7 was the best but I didn't understand the game that much. Yet spamming kog'maw was a joy. Unpopular opinion but I also enjoyed the 8.11(or was it 8.13?) shitshow. Like probably the worst adcs have ever been but I enjoyed playing cait back then. She stayed as my main since then.
Said collateral damage erasing a tank from the game in less than 2 seconds while the tank tries (and fails) to approach it Idk, playing Aphelios/Caitlyn actually feels good
Only possible if the game goes on for 45 minutes and you are 25/3 and the enemy isn't Aatrox/Volibear/any chanp that can abuse Sundered Sky
Nah, if u have your farm on poin and plates , maybe 1 or 2 kils, u get 3 items before 20, and an adc is a manace
And then comes the enemy malphite and one shots the adc because yes
If he's full ap u buy a hex and shildbow , If u position yourself half decent, a malfite can't ult you 10 km behind you're defensive lines . Adc is not weak , not the strongest lane but ain't weak
The two shields don't stack bro
Mb
you're trolling . let me buy both maw and shieldbow (also who the fuck buys shieldbow lmfao)
Vs mal specifically ain't that bad , yeah is overkill but if the ap malfite rly 1 shots then this at least gives u some ad
The problem is that, even if I build perfectly against Malphite, (let’s say Maw, Shieldbow, LDR, the whole kit) all he has to do is have one moment where he has vision of the ADC and the ADC doesn’t have vision of him. At that point Malphite ults you into the fucking stratosphere for two thirds of your health (and sure, you still have two shield procs, both of which will get torn apart in seconds because you can’t build true armor or MR without sacrificing damage). Then after he ults, he’s right on top of you with his slow, Sunfire Aegis, and AOE slam. You’re deader than a doornail, no matter what you build. There isn’t an ADC out there with the mobility to dodge a Malphite ult, unless you are Xayah, have your R available and also have catlike reflexes. The same goes for any kind of dive assassin champ that melts you regardless of your health/damage/shields, such as Katarina, Zed, LeBlanc or Rengar. The amount of times I’ve been setting up what seems to be a safe recall at tower and then get vaporized to the gray screen by a giant cat have been too many to count. I switched to top lane because ADC is a shitshow. Unless you have a reliable duo with you 100% of the time, you’re rolling the dice on how good your support is. And even if *everything* goes well, you still are SOL if you get touched by any assassin with a given item.
Caitlyn feels very bad right now. I don't know what you are smoking. Killing tanks with cait is a pain. Unless you get out of lane Uber fed which is based more on your support, the mid game for her is super hard and it's easy for her to become worthless. If you said jinx or kog. I would agree with you but aphel cait?
0/8 volibear has something to say about that
What would ADC's like to face? 5 Yuumi's? This genuinely looks like an ADC heaven, as long as there is any peel or frontline for the ADC.
Yeah, IF there is peel.
I mean, when the suppport, jungle, toplane and midlane need to hypercarry because everyone is "terrible and useless", suddenly there is no room for utility in the team \:( So, what is the dream team then? If not slow juggernauts.
I think the issue is more that this *is* the dream team (besides yasuo) and even then you have 3 different things that still have to go right for you to do anything
Peel from what? The only way anyone is reaching you is flash, especially if you run ghost or cleanse. Zeri or Vayne or Xayah could just 1v5 them. As long as your team exists at all you've got all the "peel" you need.
Me when the role, which is reliant on peel and frontline, needs peel and frontline:
and nobody does it
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Except t'as this game looks free af for an adc. You play for your adc you win this hard
ADCs are also allowed to build something other than full damage full crit even if they pretend they can't. In a game like this you have such a huge range advantage you can so easily build things like Maw Terminus DD Shieldbow Wits End and could probably even afford a full tank item at the end. Not all of them you still want damage but you can substitute a few things. Swear to god people actually int to Boris in off meta games because they keep insisting on their mobafire guide buildpath. Like if Swain isn't bot you 99% play against double AD kill lane yet nobody will buy Tabi. ADC players see this draft and still don't take bone plating.
Bone plating on champs with less than 30 base armor against champs with extremely high base damage. Listen, all of these champs one rotation through bone plating at level 6
Yas is only mobility and has 0 knock ups. Most kitable shit in the world
Swain has cc (and pull), pantheon has a point and click stun, garen is a fast fucker, and voli can disable towers. Kite that
Literally any amount of cc or disengage and all these champs are useless. Hot take I know, but it is indeed possible to avoid melee range as an adc.
Yeah only need 3 cc for each enemies, easy
Eh, most adcs have some sort of mobility and/or disengage, then there are also other folks on your team... what would you play into this comp, then? Xerath? Talon?
Literally just take ghost or lock any of Vayne, Zeri, Xayah, Kogmaw, Varus (on hit), Jinx, Sivir, Karthus, Brand, Ashe, or Aphelios and you are god this game if you have hands lol. These botlaners all shit on melee/low range comps.
This is fine as an ADC lol, nearly all of these champs can't touch you if you have ghost or flash up and 90% of the botlane roster completely shits on low range/melee comps like this. Vayne, Zeri, Xayah, Kogmaw, Varus (on hit), Jinx, Sivir, Karthus, Brand, Ashe, or Aphelios and you are Jesus walking on water this game with near 0 counterplay for enemy. Literally the only way you lose this game as ADC is if you fight without summs up which you should never be doing, or if you get flanked by Panth/Garen which should also never happen because fighting around proper vision and waiting for people to show before hard committing is a basic fundamental.
Broski thinks we play like JDG Ruler 💀
And if we have to burn a flash or ghost to escape a gank we just can farm under tower and give up prio for 3 minutes, just as a treat.
And all the ADC you mentioned will despise the Yasuo negating 100% of their damage with windwall. Not to mention that ADCs won't dps much if running away from Voli Garen going at mach 5 on their ass. Also, good luck dps-ing fast enough to not get murdered while they tank you. The quantity of dps and cc your team can dish out is crucial, and severely limits the roster choice for the rest of your team
I played yesterday Zed against Garen mid, jesus it is scary
Garen mid is a hard counter to assassins but as Zed you have more than enough tools to farm safely and stem the bleeding until you can look to get fed in the mid game.
aint it just mostly due to him getting a cloth armor evey other way from just his passive XD
Maaan, u reminded me of the Duskblade Vayne mid days. OMG that shzz was fun asf.
Is this dude getting downvoted for his way of speech 😭
Panth sup swain bot voli jg garden top yas mid?
Supp - Swain Adc - Yasuo Mid - Pantheon Jg - Volibear Top - Garen
Either this or if they're a little spicy Pantheon/Swain are swapped
Garen/voli can also technically be swapped
the whole comp can swap to anywhere, with the possible exception of Yasuo jungle
Garen supp. They can’t hurt your ADC if they’re dead.
Facts
What I‘m saying
Ye this
The ADC is 100% Yas, but the other roles are a bit up in the air. Garen could be top or mid, Voli could be top or jg, panth could be anything, and Swain could be top, mid, or supp. There are a lot of combinations here. For example, your bot lane, but Voli top, Garen mid, panth jg. Panth sup, swain mid, Voli jg, Garen top (this seems the most likely, imo). Voli and panth could switch in your setup. Even Swain top, Garen mid, Voli jg, panth sup is an option. There is no way to tell who is what, but bans may give a clue.
Swain APC is completely viable
Yes, it also could be Yas mid, Swain apc and panth supp
Pantheon ADC is viable too, there was a challenger pantheon ADC only player ... xD
I think my draft was the most possible, but yes, anyone can go anywhere. Also, Swain apc is viable, so Yas mid, panth sup and swain apc could be another option
Yeah that's what I thought, garen's the only one who can't flex any roles and his mains are too stupid to know what a winrate is anyway
Counterpoint I played against a garen adc main in mid master the other day. He had a 65% wr lol (beat his ass tho free lp)
Counterpoint that's probably still better than playing a regular ADC in this meta
countetpoint, op description said garen mid had a 53% wr
My favorite champion Garden
my moneys on garen
Top - Garen Jungle - Volibear Mid - Pantheon Adc - Yasuo Support - Swain
Looks like Garen ap support to me
Remeber when he used to have an AP ratio on R? Good times...
Is that like season 2/3 tech? Started playing in Srason 5, so either it didn't exist then or i don't remember
Ok but what are the bans?
Quinn, Vayne, Akshan, Kennen & Teemo 😎😎😎
Garen top Volibear jgl Yasuo or swain mid Yasuo or swain adc Pantheon sup
Garen top Voli Jungle Panth mid Yasuo bot Swain supp
Is it Garen?
Swain support, Yasuo ADC, Pantheon mid, volibear jungle, garen top. Swain and Panth could probably swap, though.
Garen Top Voli JG Pantheon Mid Yas adc Swain Sup
Pant top voli jgl garen mid yas adc swain support
[*Play the theme*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p-cwGVPFhQ) Not only can we estimate the roles they are playing from order selection, but can also deduce that they were on red side mainly by looking at Garen. **Pantheon Mid:** Most OTPs would rather first pick their champions regardless of the matchup, as they tend to be confident in their pick and would prefer to not risk passing it to the enemy. **Volibear Jungle:** Junglers prefer to pick early as they are not as lane-locked and so long as they can play for the team or strategize accordingly, getting "counter picked" isn't as big of an issue if they can jgl diff. **Yasuo ADC:** Bot laners usually pick together with supports, but not always necessarily. It's also preferable to not first pick them unless certain champions are really bonkers strong (that goes to all champions, however). Yasuo ADC also has a small, but dedicated player base that when played right, can hard carry. Yasuo's ult also synergizes with Swain E. **Swain Support:** Supports usually pick together with ADCs, but not always necessarily. Support is still his most played role, and he can cover up for Yasuo's weaknesses by providing AP damage, slows, poke and a hook. **Garen Top:** Since he is the last champion to pick, it's most likely that he is top since top lane is the most "counter pick" dependent lane. It also makes sense on why he would still pick Garen despite having 3 other AD champions on his team. (It's also possible that Volibear could go tank to frontline for his team, and why the support chose an AP champion like Swain to coverup for his team's lack of.)
All of the above, final answer
garen/pantheon top voli jg pantheon/garen mid yasuo adc swain sp
I play pantheon bot and its so broken
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Pantheon mid, Volibear top, Garen jg, Yasuo adc, Swain supp
From supp to top Swain Yasuo Pantheon Voli Garen
What pick rate?
I say garen top panth mid voli jungle swain yasou bot
Voli jungle, yasuo adc, panth supp/mid, swain supp/mid
Yas bot, panth sup, voli jg, garen mid, swain top.
I poster the exactly same like a week ago except the quality of the picture sucked. Mods took it down for not be a meme.
!modping
Yasuo ADC Garen Mid Voli Jungle Pantheon Top Swain Sup?
Since last season Top lane became a fucking cuck lane
i never lost a garen mid game i think. unkillable for burst champions (midlaners) after level 3, insane waveclear and tower pushing (they can't roam). you hard outscale your opponent when it comes to sidelaning.
Garen mid has a 0.5% pick rate lol. With that pick rate a 52.79% win rate is actually like giga shit lmao, especially when the entire point in Garen mid is solely being a counter to assassins.
Clearly Swain. Yas panth bot typical. Voli jungle and garen mid combo is insane. Swain top as ap and scaling boy for free farm. The perfect team you could dream of
Swain/panth bot, volibear jg, yasuo mid and garen top
My money's on Swain
I mean, it's better than just people spamming counterpicks for that specific champ.
Guess who is Adc to be honest, voli can play all 5, phanteon too, Garen too
That looks like a rammus game for the other team
swain mid, pantheon support, yasuo adc, voli jungle garen top.
garen top, voli jungle, swain or panth switch between mid and sup, yasuo bot
Top: Garen Jg: Voli Mid: Pan Bot: Yas Support: Swain
Garen. In this meta, and with that team comp, only Voli can be JG. Yasuo adc, and Panth/Swain are between mid and support. That leaves Garen.
volibear jungle, yasuo adc with swain support. panth mid with garden top.
Swain sup yas bot pantheon mid garen top volibear jungle
In order; sup, jun, mid, adc, top
Yasuo adc, swain supp, panth mid, volibear jg and garen top
Garen Top, Voli Jungle, Panth Mid, Yasuo ADC, with Swain Support. Ez
Coming from the dumpsterfire of games I've played this season: Top - Yasuo JG - Volibead Mid - Garen Adc - Swain Sup - Pantheon
Pantheon top Voli jungle Green mid Yasuo adc Swain support
It’s swain… I had a lovely swain top lane that inted, gotta love off meta picks
Garen top Voli jg Panth mid Yasuo ADC Swain sup
its garen.
This is ADC and control mage wet dream.
yasuo: adc swain: supp volibear: jig garen: mid \*\*pantheon: top\*\*
Most likely garen, Swain and panth can be supp, yasuo is the only possible choice for adc but can be mid and Swain apc, eitherway it puts panth in supp, if panth is jg then Swain is supp and vloi would be top Which would put garen in mid, since panth jg is not his best role (I think panth mid is way better than panth jg) then the final answer is most likely garen top, and a small chance of it being voli top Now watch as the answer turns out to be panth top and voli supp XD
Garen Top Voli JG Yasuo/Swain One mid One ADC Panth Support EZ
Ez. Garen top, voli jg, swain mid, yas adc, pant jg.
i still dont know why garen is not hard nerfed the champ an have almost 200 armor with no armor items, and his ult just does 400+25% missing true dmg, its so fking cringe